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The title says it all. :)
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sure. it will be allright.
I am sure ironman will steal the show with his cheesy lines. dont know what kind of camera they are using but these trailers look really nice and clean.
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Questions.
Why is Green Lantern not in it.
How did Thore get back to earth, and why the hell would he be part of that, he has his own kingdom to rule.
Is Edward Norton playing the Hulk. The trailer not showing him is telling me he is not.
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Questions.
Why is Green Lantern not in it.
How did Thore get back to earth, and why the hell would he be part of that, he has his own kingdom to rule.
Is Edward Norton playing the Hulk. The trailer not showing him is telling me he is not.
Green Latern is not only not in the Avengers, He's not even a marvel character (He's DC)
Im sure they'll explain how and why thor is there, Loki was back on earth at the end of Thor.
Mark Ruffalo will play Bruce Banner, and the original Incredible Hulk Lou Ferrigno(!!!!) will do the hulks voice
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I think it will most likely suck. Joss Whedon is the only thing that gives me any hope that the movie might be okay. And his track record is a bit spotty. He created Buffy and Firefly, but he also created Dollhouse. He directed Serenity, but that's the only feature film under his belt. It's not much to go off of. There are plenty of directors out there who have one great film swimming in a see of mediocrity on their resumes. Moreover, Serenity was a small, personal, fairly inexpensive film based on his own creation. The Avengers is a $150 million tent pole film which means that Whedon is going to have producers following his every move, saying things like , "Oh . . . you can't do that," and, "Hey, we really need you to have a love-triangle in the film so this will go over well as a date movie," etc. He's going to have back seat drivers on this film that he didn't have on Serenity.
On top of all that, his work is cut out for him. When a comic book movie tries to follow too large a cast of characters, it almost always ends up giving a shallow treatment to each (because there's just not enough time) and the movie is bad. Hell, Thor had super shallow character development when he had an hour and a half all to himself. The first two X-men movies showed that it can be done. But it usually is not done well. Even Sam Raimi, who proved that he can make an excellent comic book movie (Spidey 1 and 1) faltered when he tried to cram in more characters (Spidey 3).
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Spidey 3 isn't all Raimi's fault. Those nosy producers you mentioned had more to do with it.
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Why is Green Lantern not in it.
How did Thore get back to earth, and why the hell would he be part of that, he has his own kingdom to rule.
Is Edward Norton playing the Hulk. The trailer not showing him is telling me he is not.
As said above, Green lantern is created/owned by a different company. He could be in a Batman or Superman movie (Think the old Superfriends Cartoon), but not in Avengers, X-Men, Spiderman...
Thor came back for a girl, of course. Plus he has a really big ego and being around humans shows off how awesome he can be.
I'm looking forward to it. Hoping will be as good as Captain America which I really enjoyed, but I liked "Dollhouse" too so what do I know? ::)
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Spidey 3 isn't all Raimi's fault. Those nosy producers you mentioned had more to do with it.
Yeah if Raimi had his way, would have had to watch the Vulture and his made up character "The Vultress played by Anne Hathaway.
I havent seen Serenity, or any other Joss Whedon stuff, so Im going soley on the trailer and the other media stuff hyping up this film. I have 2 beefs with this movie. The first, being the most important, is the Hulk. He looks WAY too small, and he is a sickly shade of green. The only cool aspect of Ang Lee's hulk was that the madder he got, the bigger and stronger he got, like in the comic. The Loius Letterer Hulk, being a far superior movie, and they got Hulks face/head PERFECT didnt showcase this, and he remained the same size throughout the film. I love my Hulk to be huge, and be far stronger than ANYONE else, even Thor, because the potential for his strength is limitless. In the comics Thor goes toe to toe with the hulk, and often times loses. My second beef is Captain America. I hate how they cast Chris Evans in the role, and I dont know how I feel about his costume. Neither he nor thor ever wear their helmets, and that alone pisses me off. Like someone else mentioned, I hope Iron Man doesnt try to one up everyone all the time. He does look really awesome though, so far the effects seem top notch.
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Did they make a Green Arrow movie?
Green Arrow and Captain America are the only characters I like.
The Hulk just smashes things and they made two startup movies for him.
I was really surprised at how good Thor was so I have high hopes for the Avengers.
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Green Arrow is just Hawkeye in a green costume.
The Hulk needs to showcase his strength. With CGI and the medium of movies, the ideas for him to do things are limitless. I was hoping they were going to make the hulk the villain in this, and the avengers had to band together to stop him. That would have been rad.
I was impressed with the effects for Thor, and Thor himself was cool, but I thought the movie itself was lackluster, and kind of boring. Asgard looked great, and loki was good, but I dont know... The humans brought it down, like they always do. I hate how they tried to push the love thing on us... Getting tired of it.
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I hate how they tried to push the love thing on us... Getting tired of it.
+1 regarding soooo many comic book/superhero movies.
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I'm excited. Joss' comics runs have me convinced he can handle ensembles of iconic characters, which hopefully will translate to the big screen well.
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I am optimistic but there are a lot of characters to cram into a 2 hour movie. Also, there is no way in hell this movie will be remotely close to The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon. 26 serialized episodes (in HD!) and I may like it better than the 90s Batman cartoon as my favorite superhero cartoon ever. It is so so so good. It is up on Netflix so if you've got it definitely check it out.
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I'm excited actually I've watched all the movies and I really liked them so the combined characters will be great.
I am sad Edward Norton got screwed over with hulk I would of loved to have seen him play it again.
Plus my mate from school is in the movie so that is a big plus on why I'm looking forward to this as well.
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I think it will most likely suck. Joss Whedon is the only thing that gives me any hope that the movie might be okay. And his track record is a bit spotty. He created Buffy and Firefly, but he also created Dollhouse. He directed Serenity, but that's the only feature film under his belt. It's not much to go off of. There are plenty of directors out there who have one great film swimming in a see of mediocrity on their resumes. Moreover, Serenity was a small, personal, fairly inexpensive film based on his own creation. The Avengers is a $150 million tent pole film which means that Whedon is going to have producers following his every move, saying things like , "Oh . . . you can't do that," and, "Hey, we really need you to have a love-triangle in the film so this will go over well as a date movie," etc. He's going to have back seat drivers on this film that he didn't have on Serenity.
On top of all that, his work is cut out for him. When a comic book movie tries to follow too large a cast of characters, it almost always ends up giving a shallow treatment to each (because there's just not enough time) and the movie is bad. Hell, Thor had super shallow character development when he had an hour and a half all to himself. The first two X-men movies showed that it can be done. But it usually is not done well. Even Sam Raimi, who proved that he can make an excellent comic book movie (Spidey 1 and 1) faltered when he tried to cram in more characters (Spidey 3).
+1000
I said this exact same thing in another thread.
For those who keep saying "Joss does well with ensemble casts" or "Joss has a great reputation for writing" you are completely wrong..... Joss does well with ensemble casts... IF he created the characters himself... Joss also has a great reputation for writing... again IF he is writing a unique story for his own unique characters.
If anything Joss's track record shows that when he has to work on an established franchise he fails miserably.... actually the more promenant the franchise, the more awful the results. Just look at the train-wreck that was Alien Resurrection. Joss isn't a script writer... he's a script "fixer." The irony is that he track record for that is even worse (like 15-20%??)
For the record, while I LOVED firefly and the serenity movie, I felt that the directing in Serenity was a little lacking.... cheesy cuts, sometimes akward camera angles... but the characters were so well established and the writing and acting was good enough to make it work anyway. On other words, Joss had everybody on his side helping. When he does the Avengers, everything will be against him. Hell the only competant actor in the bunch is RDJ, and he tends to intentially be a giant ham in these types of roles.
I think the real problem with this film is that it's established in the "Marvel Movies Universe." In that universe only the Hulk and Iron Man are properly represented. Thor is so-so, the Cap is garbage and the other guys haven't even been in a film yet. Oh yeah, and Nick Fury has been replaced by Samuel Jackson in an eyepatch. SLJ doesn't play characters... he plays himself in a different outfit. And Nick Fury.. the ORIGINAL Nick Fury, not some ultimates reject, is kind of crucial for a proper Avengers movie.
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They better not be skimpy with the HULK scenes total bad-ass!!!
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SLJ doesn't play characters... he plays himself in a different outfit.
Although I generally like SLJ, no truer words have ever been written.
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And Nick Fury.. the ORIGINAL Nick Fury, not some ultimates reject, is kind of crucial for a proper Avengers movie
Yeah, I couldnt agree with you more. I hate the Ultimate Nick Fury/Samuel L. Its a joke. You cant even take him serious, especially after how he acted in Iron Man 2. ::)
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What is Nick Fury's super power? Is he like super organized or something?
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What is Nick Fury's super power? Is he like super organized or something?
He is probably a some jedi-kung-fu-master-we-haven't-seen-yet superhero.
What was that other dumbass film Mr {MF} Jackson was in...that sucked..with that retard from Starwars.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQi5ueqig4
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And Nick Fury.. the ORIGINAL Nick Fury, not some ultimates reject, is kind of crucial for a proper Avengers movie
Yeah, I couldnt agree with you more. I hate the Ultimate Nick Fury/Samuel L. Its a joke. You cant even take him serious, especially after how he acted in Iron Man 2. ::)
So you prefer the Nick Fury as played by David Hasslehoff?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fury:_Agent_of_S.H.I.E.L.D._%28film%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fury:_Agent_of_S.H.I.E.L.D._%28film%29)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119781/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119781/)
What is Nick Fury's super power? Is he like super organized or something?
He has the same super powers as The Punisher, as in.....he doesnt have super powers.
wikiquote:
Nick Fury's aging has been slowed greatly by the Infinity Formula, a serum created by Dr. Berthold Sternberg. Fury was first inoculated with the serum in the 1940s. Fury took the serum annually for many years. Due to its cumulative effect, Fury no longer needs additional doses to prolong his life span. Nick Fury is an athletic man despite his advanced chronological age. Fury's injured left eye, though initially minimally affected by a grenade blast during World War II, has over the decades resulted in a 95% loss of vision in this eye. Despite some comments to the contrary, Fury has not had the eye removed, nor bionically enhanced, and merely covers it with a cosmetic eye-patch to prevent depth perception distortion.
Fury is a seasoned unarmed and armed combat expert, was a heavyweight boxer in the army (during World War II), and holds a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and a brown belt in Jiu Jitsu. He has honed his unarmed combat skills sparring with Captain America.
so he's like Xiaou2 , as in a complete work of fiction
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Yes, I would actually prefer that than stupid ass Samuel L! Seriously! At least he LOOKS like the real nick fury. Cmon.
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Yes, I would actually prefer that than stupid ass Samuel L! Seriously! At least he LOOKS like the real nick fury. Cmon.
Samuel L Jackson looks a lot like the character that was based off of Samuel L Jackson.
you obviously didnt see the hasslehoff movie. Id rather have Kurt Russel (aka Snake Plissken) the look and the acting chops
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Yes, I would actually prefer that than stupid ass Samuel L! Seriously! At least he LOOKS like the real nick fury. Cmon.
Samuel L Jackson looks a lot like the character that was based off of Samuel L Jackson.
you obviously didnt see the hasslehoff movie. Id rather have Kurt Russel (aka Snake Plissken) the look and the acting chops
Haha yeah I never saw that one. Yeah, why would you base someone off of Samuel Jackson? He sucks. Now he does anyway.
That would be good. I like Kurt Russel a lot. If Clint Eastwood wasnt so old, he would be rad too. Thats what the original artist based him on, good ol Clint Eastwood. Ed Harris with a wig would look cool too.
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I cant take sam jackson seriously anymore..
Samuel Jackson Beer (Original) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiirbLQ0dwI#ws)
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Questions.
How did Thore get back to earth, and why the hell would he be part of that, he has his own kingdom to rule.
Natalie Portman has a magical vajajay
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I am optimistic but there are a lot of characters to cram into a 2 hour movie. Also, there is no way in hell this movie will be remotely close to The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon. 26 serialized episodes (in HD!) and I may like it better than the 90s Batman cartoon as my favorite superhero cartoon ever. It is so so so good. It is up on Netflix so if you've got it definitely check it out.
An Avengers movie would be terrible if there weren't 5 movies created in advance to prep all the characters.
You can immediately jump in and relate to all of the heros, accept maybe green arrow, but who cares about him anyways.
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Questions.
How did Thore get back to earth, and why the hell would he be part of that, he has his own kingdom to rule.
Natalie Portman has a magical vajajay
I knew it...
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I am optimistic but there are a lot of characters to cram into a 2 hour movie. Also, there is no way in hell this movie will be remotely close to The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon. 26 serialized episodes (in HD!) and I may like it better than the 90s Batman cartoon as my favorite superhero cartoon ever. It is so so so good. It is up on Netflix so if you've got it definitely check it out.
An Avengers movie would be terrible if there weren't 5 movies created in advance to prep all the characters.
You can immediately jump in and relate to all of the heros, accept maybe green arrow, but who cares about him anyways.
Certainly not Marvel, considering the Green Arrow is a DC character. ;)
You are thinking of Hawkeye, who is not at all in any way similar to Green Arrow... I mean look Green Arrow is in a Green costume, he's in a purple one! Totally different guy!!! ;)
Seriously though that point kind of hits the nail right on the head.
Let's not kid ourselves... we don't want to see an Avengers movie, we want to see a Justice League movie.
I mean yeah, in the Avengers you have the Cap, Ironman and Thor, but you also have the Wasp, Ant Man, That guy who isn't at all a rip-off of Martian Man-Hunter, and that guy who isn't at all a rip-off of Green Arrow. And a rotating cast of 5th or 6th string marvel heroes who nobody cares about.
The JL on the other hand typical has a solid core of around seven heroes that are actually notable and established characters.
That being said, a JL movie would be a train-wreck as well..... We'd have illegitamate son having superman, please take the gravel out of your mouth before you speak batman, your film was so crappy we didn't even green light it wonderwoman, hey i used to be in two guys and a girl green lantern and a non-existant flash.
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Let's not kid ourselves... we don't want to see an Avengers movie, we want to see a Justice League movie.
That being said, a JL movie would be a train-wreck as well..... We'd have illegitamate son having superman, please take the gravel out of your mouth before you speak batman, your film was so crappy we didn't even green light it wonderwoman, hey i used to be in two guys and a girl green lantern and a non-existant flash.
but Aquaman really ties it all together
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I mean yeah, in the Avengers you have the Cap, Ironman and Thor, but you also have the Wasp, Ant Man, That guy who isn't at all a rip-off of Martian Man-Hunter, and that guy who isn't at all a rip-off of Green Arrow. And a rotating cast of 5th or 6th string marvel heroes who nobody cares about.
Like someone else mentioned before, check out the Avengers cartoon on netflix, its really well written.
Also, cmon, you know the Justice League has its fair share of lame characters too, did you see Justice league unlimited? I didnt even know who 80 percent of the characters were.
The thing is, I have never seen Hawkeye sport an arrow that had a boxing glove on it. ::) Lets be honest, they are both lame.
Besides, who needs flash, when you have superman and wonder woman? Batman is there for intel, and MM is there for espinage. GL is useful, but flash, hawkgirl? Meh.
I still think Hulk would beat Superman in a fight if he got pissed off enough, but thats for a different thread lol.
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I'll have to check out that Avengers cartoon. :cheers:
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Let's not kid ourselves... we don't want to see an Avengers movie, we want to see a Justice League movie.
The problem with that is that Superman is such a retarded character. He's indestructible. He can effectively teleport. He can see right through anything (but lead ::)). He can fire lasers from his eyes. He can fly. He has super-freeze-breath. And since only one thing can hurt him . . . like . . . at all . . . the stories are super limited. Nothing Superman does is dangerous, thus nothing he does is interesting. On top of that, he has the most boring personality in the history of mankind. He's just good. Always good. And he has no humor whatsoever.
By comparison, think of all the ways Spiderman can be injured. He could be shot. He could be stabbed. He could get hit by a car. He could roll an ankle. He could be hit in the head with an axe. Someone might drop an anvil on him. He could get struck by lightning or bit by a shark. The sky is the limit. I could go on all day. And he has an actual personality.
Same goes for Batman. Imagine how lame the Batman movies would be if Batman weren't in constant peril--if all those things he did were done under the protective cloak of invincibility. It would be boring. Which is what Superman is.
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It would be boring. Which is what Superman is.
aaaaaaagreed. :applaud:
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but Aquaman really ties it all together
As long as it's the aquaman from Batman: The Brave and Bold, then that's okay with me. He was awesome in that series.
Batman: TBATB "Journey To The Center Of The Bat" #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T837zAuUMLA#noexternalembed)
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I also am a fan of The Avengers cartoon. It was well written. I thought the Justice League cartoon was well written too. I recently checked out The Brave and The Bold, and I like that as well. It is fun. Batman teams with a different hero each episode and it has the cheese elements of the 50s Batman. I liked it.
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Heh, I watched the Nick Fury: Agent of shield movie over the weekend...
...I was entertained by it...now wehter that was just because I Lolled at Hoff being in a movie or because it was truly entertaining, we'll never know.
But does it matter?
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Let's not kid ourselves... we don't want to see an Avengers movie, we want to see a Justice League movie.
The problem with that is that Superman is such a retarded character. He's indestructible. He can effectively teleport. He can see right through anything (but lead ::)). He can fire lasers from his eyes. He can fly. He has super-freeze-breath. And since only one thing can hurt him . . . like . . . at all . . . the stories are super limited. Nothing Superman does is dangerous, thus nothing he does is interesting. On top of that, he has the most boring personality in the history of mankind. He's just good. Always good. And he has no humor whatsoever.
By comparison, think of all the ways Spiderman can be injured. He could be shot. He could be stabbed. He could get hit by a car. He could roll an ankle. He could be hit in the head with an axe. Someone might drop an anvil on him. He could get struck by lightning or bit by a shark. The sky is the limit. I could go on all day. And he has an actual personality.
Same goes for Batman. Imagine how lame the Batman movies would be if Batman weren't in constant peril--if all those things he did were done under the protective cloak of invincibility. It would be boring. Which is what Superman is.
I hate to burst you bubble, but there are characters infinately more powerful than superman in the JL. The Martian Manhunter and Amazo (who's sometimes a bad guy, sometimes a good guy) come to mind.
You are right, Superman is lame... when he's fighting earthlings. Luckily most JL stories are inter-galactic. Darkside comes to mind as a villain that is not only as powerful or MORE powerful than Superman, but comes complete with an entire army to keep the rest of the league busy.
Actually.... just watch the finale of the JLU cartoon.... that's what a JL movie could be.
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I hate to burst you bubble, but there are characters infinately more powerful than superman in the JL.
That doesn't really burst my bubble. That doesn't even really address the issue of Superman's lameness.
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I hate to burst you bubble, but there are characters infinately more powerful than superman in the JL.
That doesn't really burst my bubble. That doesn't even really address the issue of Superman's lameness.
What are you basing his "lameness" on? Movies? Comics? Cartoons? His abilities? What?
I dont know a ton about DC, but I wouldnt really say there are that many people/entities infinitely more powerful than Superman.
EVERYTHING Superman does is dangerous. What if he was sleepwalking and wrecked an entire city block? What if he sneezes and blows a building down? What if he eats a burrito and a bottle of mountain dew and has explosive diarrhea? Superman is the one shining beacon of hope. He doesnt wear a mask, he doesnt rule by fear. You know damn well, when Superman comes to save the day, he does just that. He is the ULTIMATE hero. How much humor does Batman have? Captain America? Wolverine? Any of the X-men aside from maybe Beast?
Spiderman cant be shot, stabbed, or hit by a car. Have you ever seen that in a comic? No he couldnt roll an ankle. He has super powers. Now if you said Batman, I would let you have that. Ill give you that, Spiderman has more of a personality than Superman. But Spiderman isnt nearly on the scale of Superman, by powers, age, scope or anything.
I just dont see how you can say Superman is boring.
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I hate to burst you bubble, but there are characters infinately more powerful than superman in the JL.
That doesn't really burst my bubble. That doesn't even really address the issue of Superman's lameness.
What are you basing his "lameness" on? Movies? Comics? Cartoons? His abilities? What?
I dont know a ton about DC, but I wouldnt really say there are that many people/entities infinitely more powerful than Superman.
EVERYTHING Superman does is dangerous. What if he was sleepwalking and wrecked an entire city block? What if he sneezes and blows a building down? What if he eats a burrito and a bottle of mountain dew and has explosive diarrhea? Superman is the one shining beacon of hope. He doesnt wear a mask, he doesnt rule by fear. You know damn well, when Superman comes to save the day, he does just that. He is the ULTIMATE hero. How much humor does Batman have? Captain America? Wolverine? Any of the X-men aside from maybe Beast?
Spiderman cant be shot, stabbed, or hit by a car. Have you ever seen that in a comic? No he couldnt roll an ankle. He has super powers. Now if you said Batman, I would let you have that. Ill give you that, Spiderman has more of a personality than Superman. But Spiderman isnt nearly on the scale of Superman, by powers, age, scope or anything.
I just dont see how you can say Superman is boring.
I would suggest you look at virtually any hero then. The Martian ManHunter, just for example, has all of superman's abilities AND the ability to shape-shift and become intangible. Not only that, but he isn't weakened by cryptonite. Captain marvel has supes powers as well and again... no weakness to the green rock. Amazo is eons more powerful than any of those guys and that's just a few off the top of my head.
On the marvel side even characters like Rogue have all of supes powers AND the ability to drain powers from others! As a matter of fact, superman's powers are the generic set of powers they give to virtually every superhero.
Actually, superman IS boring and he IS lame. At least he isn't without VERY CAREFUL treatment. He isn't the ultimate superhero, he's simply the first. None of the things you mentioned pose any danger to Superman, only those around him. Superman doesn't wear a mask because of poor writing. They expect the glasses to be a good enough disguise. Batman, the cap, wolverine, and the rest of the x-men all have tons of personality. Superman is very one-dimensional. Your right, spiderman isn't on the same level as superman.... because spiderman has depth and a relatable quality to his character while superman doesn't.
Btw Superman is NOT a hero. The fact that he's seldom any any real danger means that he isn't risking anything and therefore isn't doing anything heroic. Now Superman is a nice guy... he could just sit on his butt and do nothing to help the little ants around him or he could be their overlord. So Superman isn't a dick, but he isn't a hero either.
Batman is a hero.... batman is in mortal danger from even the lowliest of crooks. Batman has no reason to go out on patrol every night in defense of the city, but he does anyway, that makes him a hero.
Basically the more super powers you have, the less heroic your do-gooding is.
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It's the difference between Indiana Jones and Laura Croft (the Angelina Jolie version). Indiana Jones is a hero, and it means something because he is always in way over his head risking his life and nearly getting himself killed saving people and acheiving whatever other objectives he's after. Laura Crof, on the other hand cartwheels through rooms full of spraying bullets without the slightest care, absurdly taking out all the evildoers like whacking moles at the arcade. Her foes pose no actual danger to her, so the fact that she defeats them is meaningless.
It's the difference between David beating Goliath and David beating his kids. One story is just more impressive and interesting than the other.
Perhaps taking the overabundance of powers to the extreme will help illustrate where my bordom is coming from. Imagine if someone wrote a comic book about god. I mean the literal Christian god. And god just sits in his armchair and when some lady is getting mugged in an alleyway, god makes her suddenly not getting mugged simply by thinking about it. And let's say a volcano erupts and the lava is about to destroy a village. So god, without even standing up just makes the lava not hit the village, just by willing it. Does that sound like a fun comic book? Does that sound like an engaging plot?
Superman's powers make's the things he does unimpressive. And his black&white lack of moral questioning makes his personality uninteresting.
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Batman is a hero.... batman is in mortal danger from even the lowliest of crooks. Batman has no reason to go out on patrol every night in defense of the city, but he does anyway, that makes him a hero.
I'm not too sure about that Howard.
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/arts/comic-books/batman-sociopath.htm (http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/arts/comic-books/batman-sociopath.htm)
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Btw Superman is NOT a hero. The fact that he's seldom any any real danger means that he isn't risking anything and therefore isn't doing anything heroic. Now Superman is a nice guy... he could just sit on his butt and do nothing to help the little ants around him or he could be their overlord. So Superman isn't a dick, but he isn't a hero either.
Um, what?
Sooo… The only criteria for being a "Hero" is that you have to be in some sort of peril yourself? So... that time when a mother wasn't paying attention to her toddler and he fell in the pool and was sitting on the bottom and I jumped in, to water that I could safely stand in, and pulled him out, I wasn't a Hero to that kid or family? Is a cop who stops a crime but is wearing a vest less of a hero than if he hadn't been? How about the kid in school who sees a gun in another kid’s locker and reports it to the principal?
This is a silly conversation, but Superman puts himself out there. He may not be risking his actual safety (or he may be, he can't know for sure all the time), but his actions and decisions do put those around him at risk. He also doesn't seek praise, riches, power, he sacrifices a regular life and the relationships that humanity as a whole pursues. He could be above all this, he doesn't HAVE to help. The fact that he does, and cares, and does so time and time again... That's pretty heroic, if you ask me.
Astro City illustrated this pretty well with Samaritan I believe, where he tried to fit in as much good/saving/heroic duties as he possibly could. He couldn’t do everything, but he could do a lot. He tried to take a break at one point to go on a date with another hero I think, but of course that time meant others were in danger and he couldn’t pursue it. Giving up a normal life to help others with little benefit to yourself, that’s heroic.
To use your Spiderman reference btw, Spiderman would have nothing to fear from a thug/rapist, but to that comic book staple of a lone woman in the alley that he saves, I’m pretty sure she’d call him a Hero and probably thank him every day if she could.
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It's not the only criterion, but it's an important one. Why do you think firemen are so revered? Do you think they'd garner the same respect and mythos if they just sat behind a control panel and pressed buttons that activated ejc mechanisms installed in every building? What makes them true heros, what makes them admired and interesting is nOt just that they save lives . . . hell modern sewage systems have saved literally millions more lives than firemen . . . it's that they risk their own lives to protect others.
Do you think the guy behind the desk operating the unmanned drone gets the same respect as the guy on the front line risking his life every day? And which of them has a story worth telling. Which has a story that'll put you on the edge of your seat.
Superman is a hero by definition. But as a literary character, he sucks.
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Perhaps taking the overabundance of powers to the extreme will help illustrate where my bordom is coming from. Imagine if someone wrote a comic book about god. I mean the literal Christian god. And god just sits in his armchair and when some lady is getting mugged in an alleyway, god makes her suddenly not getting mugged simply by thinking about it. And let's say a volcano erupts and the lava is about to destroy a village. So god, without even standing up just makes the lava not hit the village, just by willing it. Does that sound like a fun comic book? Does that sound like an engaging plot?
What makes them true heros, what makes them admired and interesting is nOt just that they save lives . . . . . . it's that they risk their own lives to protect others.
That's a pretty good argument for Jesus Christ. ;) Sorry, you went with religion first, couldn't resist... :cheers: no offense intended.
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Do you think the guy behind the desk operating the unmanned drone gets the same respect as the guy on the front line risking his life every day?
To the guy on the ground at the front line getting intel about where the enemy is and when to keep his head down, yeah, that drone driver is a hero. So is the guy flying the chopper coming to pull him and his injured buddies out of harms way before it's too late.
And which of them has a story worth telling. Which has a story that'll put you on the edge of your seat.
Superman is a hero by definition. But as a literary character, he sucks.
I'm not arguing who has a better story, or who is a "better" hero, just that Superman is, regardless of definition in my opinion, a Hero. Yes he's a Boy Scout who can be boring, but Boy Scouts do plenty of good deeds, even when they don't have to and are "off duty".
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Do you think the guy behind the desk operating the unmanned drone gets the same respect as the guy on the front line risking his life every day?
To the guy on the ground at the front line getting intel about where the enemy is and when to keep his head down, yeah, that drone driver is a hero. So is the guy flying the chopper coming to pull him and his injured buddies out of harms way before it's too late.
---fudgesicle--- yeah. :cheers:
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But . . . Jesus . . . Superman is a STORY. He's not real. His only value is in how interesting he is. He doesn't literally save lives. He saves fictional lives in stories that are supposed to be entertaining. So maybe you're not arguing "who has a better story", but if not you're wasting your breath because that's all there is to argue about. because that's all superman and any other comic book is. A story.
Anyway, even to play your game, you're being dishonest if you claim to give no extra credit to the person willing to risk his own life to save others, versus the person who does it in perfect safety. To pretend that risking one's life for others has no independent value on top of the fact of saving lives is not only silly, but it's a lie, since I know that you don't actually feel that way. It's just something to say for the sake of argument.
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I took the quote to be that the UAV operator can be a hero to the ground pounder which is true. I don't think there is much value in weighing the two against eachother. Most door kickers when asked who the bigger hero was would probably invite you to do something pleasant to yourself.
As for day to day respect I've found that the infantry man gets less than he deserves. At least when a UAV operator tells a civilian what he does there is a respect for the technical aspect of his mission. There is a huge unfortunate stigma towards grunts.
That is off topic however. For on topic I am totally bummed that Ed Norton didn't sign on or wasn't invited to Hulk out in the coming film, especially when Stark made a cameo at the end teaser of the most recent hulk film tieing the two casts together. I'd even take Bana again, that would have been a humerous bit of casting but I still want to see how the hulk is handled in this treatment.
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Zero?
Yeah, Zero is a wonderful thing.
In fact, Zero is my hero!
How can Zero be a hero?
Well, there are all kinds of heroes, you know.
A man can get to be a hero
For a famous battle he fought...
Or by studying very hard
And becoming a weightless astronaut.
And then there are heroes of other sorts,
Like the heroes we know from watching sports.
But a hero doesn't have to be a grown up person, you know,
A hero can be a very big dog
Who comes to your rescue,
Or a very little boy who's smart enough to know what to do.
But let me tell you about my favorite hero.
My hero, Zero, such a funny little hero,
But till you came along,
We counted on our fingers and toes.
Now you're here to stay
And nobody really knows
How wonderful you are.
Why we could never reach a star,
Without you, Zero, my hero,
How wonderful you are.
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But . . . Jesus . . . Superman is a STORY. He's not real. His only value is in how interesting he is. He doesn't literally save lives. He saves fictional lives in stories that are supposed to be entertaining. So maybe you're not arguing "who has a better story", but if not you're wasting your breath because that's all there is to argue about. because that's all superman and any other comic book is. A story.
Dude…
None of these guys are real, we’re arguing about the Avengers vs JLA, wtf? :)
And if we didn’t argue about non-sensical stuff, where would this board BE?
Anyway,
To continue “wasting my breath” I’m not arguing this:
Actually, superman IS boring and he IS lame.
That’s your opinion. Do I think there been some good Superman stories? Sure. Am I debating the merit of one story over another? No, that’s a matter of taste. I like Superman as a character and have a few trades featuring him, but I don’t go out of my way to read him unless I hear about something that is particularly good.
What I AM arguing is this:
Btw Superman is NOT a hero.
This is the thing that doesn’t make any sense to me, and I’m confused that other people think this way, so I brought in some real world scenarios to help illustrate my argument. But because Superman is fictional, you’re not a big fan of that, so I’ll stay fictional. If a plan is falling out of the sky, and Superman catches it, and gets it safely to ground, how is he NOT considered a Hero? To the “fictional” people on the plane, he is the biggest possible Hero that they could ever DREAM about, and will tell their families for years to come that they should thank Superman every holiday that they’re still around. They don’t care that the plane couldn’t hurt him, they don’t think that because he can fly and is super strong that he is obligated to perform such a task. He could have been at a bank robbery, or punching meteors, or looking through some Cheerleader’s clothing. The point is that instead of THOSE things he chose instead to spend his very precious time saving that plane. And afterwards he usually doesn’t hang around for thanks, he’s usually off to plug up a dam or find a new meteor to punch.
Basically the more super powers you have, the less heroic your do-gooding is.
So by this argument, that Kick Ass kid is more of a Hero than Superman? Ok fine, Kick Ass saves some chick from some thugs, gets a few bruises, and gains a grateful fan. Awesome job. Superman grabs that plane and 200 people can go on with their lives. I wouldn’t belittle the action that Kick Ass performed because he saved only ONE person, but I’m also not going to discount Superman saving 200 just because it was “easy” for him to do so.
I wrote way too much on this topic, and just like you can’t understand why I don’t think the way you do, right back atcha! ;)
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Howard... I cant even begin to try and even understand your thinking... We all know you have a hard on for Batman. Thats great. I have one for Spiderman. Favorite hero. Period. But to say that Batman is more heroic than Superman just because he is in more "peril" than Superman is asinine. There wouldnt be a Batman if there wasnt a Superman. Also, you keep comparing him to Martian Manhunter. Yeah, Martian Manhunter is in fact... A Martian. Im not a big DC person, but doesnt he always use his psychic powers to try to understand human behavior? Why do you think he has all of Supermans abilities and then some? Cause he was created after Superman. MM is a perfect example of having powers doesnt make you a hero.
And of course Shmokes, these are characters of fiction. There sole purpose is to entertain children mostly, but even adults. But as you can see, we are on a forum dedicated to obsolete technology. The reason why? To relive our childhood. Same reason we read comics, watch movies, etc. So why not talk about it.
I understand what youre getting at, but I just disagree with you. Your God analogy is ridiculous. Superman isnt a God. ANYONE can beat Superman. Batman has done it a number of times. He can be mindcontrolled. He can be hurt. He can be killed, almost. He isnt some all powerful omniscient being. Youre not basing your argument on anything other than what? You still havent answered me, it cant be the comics, so it must just be the movies.
Like Rando said, I dont believe just because you are at "risk" doesnt make you any less of a hero. Hell, people call sports players "heroes", its insulting.. Keep in mind, they call them SUPER heroes. Rando said it best already about Superman catching a plane. Superman is a hero because not only does he SAVE PEOPLES LIVES and protect them on a global scale, but he always does the right thing. He is bound by his principles that are instilled in him from his parents. When Superman shows up, everyone knows its going to be ok. They are going to be safe. The whole world knows that Superman is a good guy. Keep in mind the when he was created as well.
Indiana Jones a hero? You do know that he evolved into that, pretty much to keep the franchise going right? He is an archaelogist out to further himself, a treasure hunter. Sure he puts stuff into a museum, but cmon. Its mostly for personal gain.
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It's about personal sacrifice. Not all actions are equal even when they are equal. When a dad takes a second job so his kid can travel to Europe with his high school class it means something more than when Larry Ellison's kid signs up for the trip. It's not saying that Larry Ellison is a bad guy. For all I know he spends half his time trying to cure Leukemia. But not all equal actions are created equal. I simply refuse to believe that you don't understand what I'm saying. This has to be deliberate. There is a palpable difference between, "Thank you, you saved me," and, "Thank you, you risked your life to save me." Those are two different things. Super ---smurfing--- obviously two different things. If you don't see that I have a difficult time believing that it isn't intentional.
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You are all my heroes, equally.
I can now hold my head up high while I spend this weekend in my basement painting HO scale buildings and scenery.
Thank you, for being bigger losers than I.
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As I reread my last post, admittedly after a few vodka tonics, I had what alcoholics refer to as a moment of clarity. It's a simple matter of accomplishment. It was the Larry Ellison reference that tipped me off. The regular poor guy accomplishes more by sending his kid. He overcomes greater obstacles. He works harder. He accomplishes more. The end is irrelevant. Both parents reach the same end. But one parent accomplished more in the getting there than the other. THAT'S Superman's problem. His feats are too easy. They aren't the same accomplishments they would be if he weren't so ---smurfing--- powerful. His godlike abilities make commonplace what would be heroic in any other person. And that's what makes him so uninteresting. His bar is so high it's impossible to impress. And if a person isn't impressing, who the ---fudgesicle--- cares about him?
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At least in the 80s, I thought Wolvie had tons of humour. Maybe you have to spell it that way ta get it. Plus, he's the best of 'em, because HE'LL KILL YOU. No wimpiness here. The only perhaps better 80s character in this regard was The Punisher. His humor was so dark it was scary cool....or cooly scary.
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It's about personal sacrifice. Not all actions are equal even when they are equal. When a dad takes a second job so his kid can travel to Europe with his high school class it means something more than when Larry Ellison's kid signs up for the trip. It's not saying that Larry Ellison is a bad guy. For all I know he spends have his time trying to cure Leukemia. But not all equal actions are created equal. I simply refuse to believe that you don't understand what I'm saying. This has to be deliberate. There is a palpable difference between, "Thank you, you saved me," and, "Thank you, you risked your life to save me." Those are two different things. Super ---smurfing--- obviously two different things. If you don't see that I have a difficult time believing that it isn't intentional.
Of course I see that, but these are regular people we are talking about. Like you said, we are talking about things of fiction. In the comics, when Superman defends the Earth against an unseen threat that the people dont even know about, dont you deem that heroic? The end result is yeah, their lives are saved, but cmon. Imagine the strain on Superman considering his abilities. Thats his headache, he can do pretty much anything, and he does good. He makes the "world" a better place. Other heroes look up to him, and aspire to be like him. Yeah that sounds retarded cause Im a grown ass man talking about comics in that way, but when I was a kid, a little kid, like 5 or 6, I LOVED Superman. I grew to like Spiderman more, but man. Superman was the hero for me when I was young. Especially since I didnt have any real life heroes in my life when I was a kid. My dad left, and our house was never on fire, so it was cool to imagine what it would be like to live in a world with Superman in it. I would probably say the only real person I really idolized in real life was my mom.
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I thought Superman was awesome too when I was a kid. But I liked Today's Special and Smurf's then, too. Then I grew up and realized that he's nothing but dessert and in the end dinner is actually the best part. You don't realize that as a kid.s
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But not all equal actions are created equal. I simply refuse to believe that you don't understand what I'm saying. This has to be deliberate. There is a palpable difference between, "Thank you, you saved me," and, "Thank you, you risked your life to save me." Those are two different things.
Shmokes,
If I fell off a building, I wouldn't give a rat's ass if you flew under your own power to save me with your invulnerable pecs, caught me in your invisible jet, shot some web junk to snare me, or held a trampoline with 5 other regular guys that bounced me into a big pile of feathers. I was going to die, and then I didn't, thanks to you. Thanks big guy.
:afro:
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Of course you wouldn't care. You just want to live. The people reading about it, on the other hand, care.
SUPERMAN ISN'T REAL. HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAVE LIVES.
Superman is not made to save people. He's made to entertain readers (and listeners and watchers since the advent of radio, TV, and film).
For the love of all that's holy you can't possibly think that I am maligning Superman's ability to save lives. He's good at it. Duh. You can just leave that topic quite alone because I assure you we agree on it completely. The point is, from the point of view of of the reader (the only point of view that matters, seeing as the lives Superman saves are fictional), Superman's exploits are less interesting than those of people who put themselves in harms way in order to save others.
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People here can discern fact from fiction... ::)
People don't always want to read stories about someones life being in peril...that isn't the defining element that makes a story good. When reading a comic, do you really believe that Batman's life is in danger each issue? Spiderman? Wolverine? Really? You don't enjoy superman because you worry for his life, you let yourself get caught up in a story of good versus evil. Just as it was no surprise Luke blew up the death star.
Superman represents the best in us, and in our heroic imaginations what we would love to be for the world. Superman is modern mythology. People enjoy seeing how villains mastermind a way to take down the top dog. They love to see Superman's own nature used against him. They enjoy seeing a "clash of the titans" for the fate of the world. This isn't really much different from the stories told by the Greeks.
I think it boils down that you just don't get that elemental story-lore, the symbolic nature, the larger than life unrealism that hits us somewhere on an emotional level. I think that is why you can't get past Captain America's name, and it is why Superman's power bothers you. Not everybody gets Picasso either, that doesn't mean his art is poor.
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I do get Superman. He is a living, walking deus ex machina. His nature makes him a poor plot device. If what Rando said in his previous post were true we'd be just as happy with, "Once upon a time Rando's life was in danger. Then he was saved. The end." That doesn't work. It may work for Rando, because he was about to die and then he didn't die and that's probably enough for him. But for the rest of us, that's pretty boring. People care how it happened. A good story needs conflict. And it's difficult to create compelling conflict with Superman because of his very nature. And what conflict can be created is almost always hackneyed and repetitive. It generally starts with a K.
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I do get Superman. He is a living, walking deus ex machina. His nature makes him a poor plot device. If what Rando said in his previous post were true we'd be just as happy with, "Once upon a time Rando's life was in danger. Then he was saved. The end." That doesn't work. It may work for Rando, because he was about to die and then he didn't die and that's probably enough for him. But for the rest of us, that's pretty boring. People care how it happened. A good story needs conflict. And it's difficult to create compelling conflict with Superman because of his very nature. And what conflict can be created is almost always hackneyed and repetitive. It generally starts with a K.
I don't recall the year, somewhere mid 60s, but there was a Supe comic where he was put in a bind when Toyman, Mytzlpliks (I think), and a few others (bizarro, metallo?) teamed up to really mess with his world. Supe was having the damndest time but slowly pitted them against eachother and wrapped it all up rather neatly. Then at the end, on the last page, Toyman asks how Supe did it and, this is where Supe was almost ruined for me forever, he says "I used my super hearing and super speed weeks ago to learn of this plot, I've known it was coming the whole time, and I played along to teach you a lesson."
What a frickin ripoff. Good story, fun traps, some legit Supe in peril moments thanks to the 5th deminsion and whammo, I knew all along. Left a sour taste in my mouth.
I got over it and am a diehard fan again but Shmokes, I can see where you're coming from. With a character as powerful as Supe you have to be careful that you don't take the fun out of the story. The comic has done a pretty good job, especially using the old "You can't save them both" device, but Superman is often more of an escapist read than a seat of my pants read. It just really isn't that kind of comic, but then again, there is plenty of room out there for all kinds of entertainment and I don't need to be hanging by an emotional thread all the time.
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I have just been observing this debate. heh
I loved Superman as a kid but as a teen I didn't like him anymore for much of the same reasons that Shmokes doesn't. But after some time I learned to like him again...but he is far from my favorite. And during the early days they always gave him a power to get out of any jam. Much like they used to give Batman ridiculous devices to get out of any jam. (Shark repellant) They would just make ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- up. Example? Well Le Chuck gave a good one, but here's another:
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o80/Bootay187/1506superweaving4go.jpg)
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I don't think Superman could rescue you guys, sounds like you never leave your houses.
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It may work for Rando, because he was about to die and then he didn't die and that's probably enough for him.
Probaby?
Some days yes, some days... Meh. :laugh:
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People here can discern fact from fiction... ::)
People don't always want to read stories about someones life being in peril...that isn't the defining element that makes a story good. When reading a comic, do you really believe that Batman's life is in danger each issue? Spiderman? Wolverine? Really? You don't enjoy superman because you worry for his life, you let yourself get caught up in a story of good versus evil. Just as it was no surprise Luke blew up the death star.
Superman represents the best in us, and in our heroic imaginations what we would love to be for the world. Superman is modern mythology. People enjoy seeing how villains mastermind a way to take down the top dog. They love to see Superman's own nature used against him. They enjoy seeing a "clash of the titans" for the fate of the world. This isn't really much different from the stories told by the Greeks.
I think it boils down that you just don't get that elemental story-lore, the symbolic nature, the larger than life unrealism that hits us somewhere on an emotional level. I think that is why you can't get past Captain America's name, and it is why Superman's power bothers you. Not everybody gets Picasso either, that doesn't mean his art is poor.
:applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :cheers:
Those little guys save me from a lot of typing. :lol
Shomkes you keep dodging me. Are you basing your opinions on the comics, or the films?
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I'm not dodging you. I'm ignoring an obviously loaded question.
Superman is a cultural icon. He's been around longer than most of our grandparents. I'm basing my opinion of him on what I know about him, which is quite a lot thanks to how famous he is and how long he's been around. I'm basing it on comics, cartoons, movies, hearsay, books, magazines, conversations, TV shows, videogames, etc..
But no, I have not read even 1/10th of all the Superman comic books.
But before you think you've finally caught me, please realize that, "If you haven't read all the comics, you must not know what you're talking about," isn't nearly as compelling an argument as actually addressing my complaints and showing how they're wrong. Saying that I'm categorically wrong because I don't have enough education doesn't actually make what I'm saying wrong. It just gives you an excuse to not address what I'm saying.
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I think it will most likely suck. Joss Whedon is the only thing that gives me any hope that the movie might be okay. And his track record is a bit spotty. He created Buffy and Firefly, but he also created Dollhouse. He directed Serenity, but that's the only feature film under his belt. It's not much to go off of. There are plenty of directors out there who have one great film swimming in a see of mediocrity on their resumes. Moreover, Serenity was a small, personal, fairly inexpensive film based on his own creation. The Avengers is a $150 million tent pole film which means that Whedon is going to have producers following his every move, saying things like , "Oh . . . you can't do that," and, "Hey, we really need you to have a love-triangle in the film so this will go over well as a date movie," etc. He's going to have back seat drivers on this film that he didn't have on Serenity.
On top of all that, his work is cut out for him. When a comic book movie tries to follow too large a cast of characters, it almost always ends up giving a shallow treatment to each (because there's just not enough time) and the movie is bad. Hell, Thor had super shallow character development when he had an hour and a half all to himself. The first two X-men movies showed that it can be done. But it usually is not done well. Even Sam Raimi, who proved that he can make an excellent comic book movie (Spidey 1 and 1) faltered when he tried to cram in more characters (Spidey 3).
And yet . . . it looks like Avengers is gonna be great! (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers/)
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And yet . . . it looks like Avengers is gonna be great! (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers/)
Ah, glad the reviews are promising. Not sure if I can handle another in-theater viewing so soon after trying to watch Cabin in the Woods through the light of cell phone screens and people jibber-jabbering, but the buzz sure makes it tempting.
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I am late to this, but Joss just isn't what people think he's cracked up to be. I think the movie will be entertaining especially the Loki/Hulk fight where someone gets thoroughly thrashed, but alas it won't be anything special.
Also, if you think Superman is lame you're entitled to that opinion. I would add however that unless you've really delved into the depths of comics he's in it's just that, an opinion. If you had delved you'd see that there are numerous other hero's and villains of his level of power if not stronger, proving he is in peril fairly often. Additionally you'd know he's 100% susceptible to magic. Also, Supes isn't invincible. that's a misnomer. Dig deeper and you'll see he isn't.
My friend and I had this discussion once, about if people (DC) just went bat snot insane and started fighting who would win. In the end it came down to Flash vs Zatana as the last standing. Finally, we just couldn't go against Flash. The ability to instantaneously kill everyone was just so overpowering. The speed force too. Side note, Flash can kill supes without Kryptonite, just saying.
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Nobody can kill Superman. He's alive now, even after this:
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Nobody can kill Superman. He's alive now, even after this:
Now wait a minute, the resurrection of Super-hero's and Villains has nothing to do with Superman and everything to do with what's wrong with comics in general. Everyone completely abuses death. So this issue is relevant to all, not just supes.
Also I'm on the same page with you on this, it's ridiculous now.
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Superman invented it, though. :P
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Except Jean Grey did it first. :P :P
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Except Jean Grey did it first. :P :P
:applaud: Good ol vigo.
Im kinda stoked to see The Avengers. Kind of irritated most of the world gets to see it before us, I dont understand why they do that. ::)
How the hell is Flash able to kill everyone? What the hell is the Speed Force? The only thing I have ever heard that about was in Kingdom Come, and I thought it was kind of lame, like they were trying to make Flash more powerful than what he was. Im not big into DC, Im a Marvel guy, but cmon. Supes essentially has the same power as Flash does, right?! I dont know who Zantana is.
I just hope they get the Hulk right. Thats pretty much all I care about at this point regarding the Avengeres. If they show Thanos, Im going to get a boner. I take that back. They tried doing Galactus in FF and he was a cloud of smoke, so nevermind... :-\
Also, ANYONE can kill Superman. Thats the cool thing. Batman has beat the crap out of him a number of times.
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Except Jean Grey did it first. :P :P
Not the same thing for a variety of reasons, but most importantly because Superman invented it in the sense that he was the domino that started practice kahlid74 referred to of "everyone abuses death". Blaming Jean Grey for starting the trend of superhero death/resurrection is barely more legit than blaming Jesus. ;D
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Except Jean Grey did it first. :P :P
Not the same thing for a variety of reasons, but most importantly because Superman invented it in the sense that he was the domino that started practice kahlid74 referred to of "everyone abuses death". Blaming Jean Grey for starting the trend of superhero death/resurrection is barely more legit than blaming Jesus. ;D
Dude!
Characters have been dying and coming back for years, Superman just happened to make the news as it was at the height of the Speculation market which caused a run on the bagged versions of the comic as everyone bought 2 to only open one and sell the other one at a profit later... glut ensued, comics market crashed, companies went under, and resulted in bitter comic readers. ::)
But onto topic, can't WAIT for Avengers, might even get a babysitter and see it in the theater!! (Dude, this is big news. :o)
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I'll be seeing this in about 2 hrs! I'm pretty stoked too, as I love Joss Whedon as well as most of these characters.
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Dude!
Characters have been dying and coming back for years, Superman just happened to make the news
Shrug . . . I'll stop pretending to be an expert on the subject since I don't, and never have read comics. Most of my knowledge comes from cartoons, films, word-of-mouth, etc. It seems to me, though, and maybe it's just from how well-publicized it was, that Superman started it (it being, if nothing else, the modern practice of death/resurrection in comics). This also appeals to my common sense, because any comic book publisher who saw how much money the Death of Superman issue generated obviously took notice. Even if it's true that death/resurrection has been common in comic books, I think you know that Superman changed the dynamic.
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I think there's a bit of over-analysis going on. Superman represents fantasy, it's totally subjective. I loved him as a kid...but I also Loved Batman! Their was room for both in my toybox. What's wrong with enjoying a story where the hero is obviously dominant. Most stories also end with the hero winning...I was pretty young when I learned that pretty much all the shows I watched ended predictably...I still enjoyed them though.
I will go see Avengers, and will probably like it.
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What's wrong with enjoying a story where the hero is obviously dominant.
Because any story worth telling has conflict and resolution. And the greater the conflict, the more satisfying its resolution. Imagine a movie where a man is pitted against the mosquitoes in his house. And whenever he sees one he swats it. And then after a while they're all gone. Not very interesting. Now imagine that the mosquitoes have evolved and are now able to organize and be evil and create an actual threat. Now you've got a horror movie. It's probably still a bad movie because it's such a stupid premise, but you see how the threat changes things. It creates conflict. It matters.
Edit: A good example of this that I often use is Lara Croft vs. Indiana Jones. They're basically the same character, but Lara Croft is comparably boring to watch because she is effectively invincible. She runs into a room full of people shooting at her with absolutely no fear, oblivious to the bullets, as she does backflips off walls double-fisting her guns and picking off the bad guys one-by-one. Indiana Jones, on the other hand, is reckless, but very vulnerable. He gets beat up and brushes narrowly with death all the time. He frequently terrified. And because of this, his stories have genuine conflict and (with the exception of the ---smurfing--- retarded last one) because of this they are engaging.
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Putting on my English lit. student hat here. Superman does have conflict. You can make the argument that it is obvious to you that the conflict will be resolved, but belief or disbelief is not necessarily where the entertainment value is. Conflict is a vehicle that gives the author something to write about, puts the character in a scenario. It in itself is not necessarily what makes a story good or bad.
The storytelling to get through the story arc is where the entertainment is. Are you really gonna believe that Batman is gonna die at any given issue? I doubt it, but you read it to see how the Joker tries to trump his abilities. As far as Lara Croft vs Indiana Jones...well Lara Croft is not boring to watch ;D but her movies suck......and because they are poorly written and poorly directed and the acting is garbage and the premise is lame, just like your story of Bob vs a few mosquitos would be. ;)
If you have ever seen My Neighbor Totoro, that movie is considered a masterpiece. It honestly has about as shallow of a conflict as you can get. Some kid runs down the wrong path trying to give her mom corn and her sister finds her 5 minutes later in the film. That's the entire conflict in the film. The rest is storytelling.
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Sometimes a story is entertaining on its own merit not because of conflict.
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I give this movie 4/5. I saw it in 3D and that always lowers the score. LOVED The Hulk, especially in NYC.
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The storytelling to get through the story arc is where the entertainment is.
Meh . . . you're just using different words to say the same thing. Storytelling is nothing more than describing the conflict between the protagonist and antagonist, even if the antagonist is an abstraction like a cliff that must be climbed. And the easier the cliff is to climb, the less interesting the story is. Without conflict there is no story to tell.
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Sometimes a story is entertaining on its own merit not because of conflict.
This doesn't even mean anything. The story and the conflict are not two different things. The conflict is part of the story. And a story with no conflict has very very little merit.
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I give this movie 4/5. I saw it in 3D and that always lowers the score. LOVED The Hulk, especially in NYC.
Glad to hear it. I'm real anxious to see this. I don't care much for 3D either but sometimes it is hard to avoid.
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The storytelling to get through the story arc is where the entertainment is.
Meh . . . you're just using different words to say the same thing. Storytelling is nothing more than describing the conflict between the protagonist and antagonist, even if the antagonist is an abstraction like a cliff that must be climbed.
The key difference though is there is actually more to storytelling than just conflict. Take Alice in Wonderland as an example. Sure there is conflict with Alice coping where she is, the queen, etc. That has nothing to do with what make's it's storytelling so amazing. It is the fantastic world with strange creatures and nonsensical happenings that make the novel timeless. The conflict was mostly about a girl getting home, but that has nothing to do with why people read the book.
And the easier the cliff is to climb, the less interesting the story is.
Not exactly. I think a great conflict makes storytelling easy, but even a story without much of any perception of overcome difficulty can be excellent. Look at Forrest Gump. It is about a complete idiot who totally Chuck Norris's through life. The entire way they tell you the story is to show you how little conflict the guy deals with. You can look at Baron Munchausen or Prcos Bill any tall tale as the same thing.
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Those tall tales are overflowing with conflict. They entertain by showing the comical and ironic ways the conflicts are resolved. Same goes for Alice in Wonderland. You could hardly have a more conflicted character. She's utterly lost in a world of complete madness. Everything she knows has been turned on its head. Baron Munchausen's stories, while possibly lacking in credibility, certainly don't want for conflict.
I get that there's more to storytelling than just conflict. There's perspective, tension, setting, character, style, and so on. But without conflict you have no story. You have nothing to tell.
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I wasn't saying there wasn't conflict. I was disputing your claim of greater conflict = greater story. Sure there is plenty of conflict, but all of a minimal level or plight to the character. In the tall tales they rode around, kicked ass, and amazed people with great feats. The fact that they kicked ass in such a cool way is what made them memorable.
And that is not to say there Superman doesn't have larger conflict. He has to deal with keeping his identity hidden, worry about a variety of weaknesses ranging from the obvious - different types of kryptonite and having to get energy from the sun, to enemies that can do things from using magic to alter reality to destroy the entire planet. Superman has to deal with enemies using his good nature against him. Threatening those around him. I wouldn't say superman has been crapped on in life as much as Spiderman, but it isn't this effortless task you make it out to be.
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How the hell is Flash able to kill everyone? What the hell is the Speed Force? The only thing I have ever heard that about was in Kingdom Come, and I thought it was kind of lame, like they were trying to make Flash more powerful than what he was. Im not big into DC, Im a Marvel guy, but cmon. Supes essentially has the same power as Flash does, right?! I dont know who Zantana is.
Also, ANYONE can kill Superman. Thats the cool thing. Batman has beat the crap out of him a number of times.
Zatana is a power house in the magic world. Lots of stuff there but essentially she's way OP. Flash is also OP. It's a misnomer thinking people are as fast as the Flash. There are also several iterations of the Flash. The true flash is Barry Allen. Wally West is close but Barry Allen IS the speed force. The Speed Force is what allows all movement in the DC universe. Essentially it's the power of life. Unrestricted and unfettered and unparalleled. Barry Allen is infinitely faster than Supes. If Supes was at full speed, Barry Allens could essentially run circles around Supes, like billions of times lol. Supes is strong, don't get me wrong, it's just Flash is insane. Barry Allen/Wally West and the power of the speed force is OP. They can essentially strip the Speed Force from anything, making you stuck where you stand before you can even think of moving and it's already over at that point.
Yes, Batman has, but they key is to understand thought and movement. At the end of the day by the time anyone would even consider moving no one can, because the Speed Force just got stolen from everyone. Like I said, my friend and I had an awesome drunk conversation about this over burgers and brats in the northern Wisconsin winter and Flash won out.
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Never read the flash, but I picked up enough to know he had some crazy side abilities from his speed. If I remember right, flash could go so fast that he could bend time to his will or cross dimensions. Even vibrate so fast that he could travel through solid matter. I think he could also think just as fast as he could run.
I think he also raced superman, but let him win or something because he didn't want superman to look bad, being that he is in the public eye so much.
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Watched a cam already. It's ok.... If you didn't like Captain America, you should probably avoid this one.
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...my friend and I had an awesome drunk conversation about this over burgers and brats in the northern Wisconsin winter and Flash won out.
All other arguments are invalid. This has been officially determined by two inebriated cheese heads during a bout of alcohol and cholesterol consumption in the snow. End of line.
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Comic books are now an official forte of Cheeseheads. Right up there with football, hunting, snowmobiling, beer and painting your pickup truck in camo. Ever since Neil Gaiman became a cheesehead, things became official. Now ex-packer Ahman Green is pursuing a film-making career in hopes that one day he can work on a creating a Batman film. no joke.
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I give this movie 4/5. I saw it in 3D and that always lowers the score. LOVED The Hulk, especially in NYC.
Glad to hear it. I'm real anxious to see this. I don't care much for 3D either but sometimes it is hard to avoid.
ME too! I know my damn girlfriend and other friends will want to see it in 3D though, and that sucks, not only because of the price, but I feel like I dont enjoy it as much. Thats all I wanted to hear though, that the Hulk was rad. I dont know how I feel about Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner, but as long as the Hulk himself is cool, Im ok with it.
Whats the deal with the USA having it open last?! Most of the world has seen it already, WTF Marvel/Disney?! :angry:
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Whats the deal with the USA having it open last?! Most of the world has seen it already, WTF Marvel/Disney?! :angry:
My wife the other day told me that some of her friends were off watching the Avenger movie. My response was "Oh, they scored some early showing tickets? Are they in Hollywood?" She then told me that she was talking about friends in Taiwan and the movies has already been out since the 25th.
I completely thought she was joking. I look it up. Sure enough, she was right. Meanwhile, we see get the film at the very back of the herd....right there with Kuwait and Estonia :dizzy:.
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Who cares? Your life was just as complete before the movie had ever even been announced. April is too early to kick off the Summer Blockbuster season in the U.S. Or maybe they just weren't keen on competing against the Hunger Games. Or maybe, knowing that the U.S. is by far the most important market, they decided it's useful to have some serious test markets so they can maximize the effectiveness of their advertising campaigns here and get an idea of the demand for 3D vs. non-3D screenings.
In any case, I don't think it was meant as a slight on your nationality. :P
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...my friend and I had an awesome drunk conversation about this over burgers and brats in the northern Wisconsin winter and Flash won out.
All other arguments are invalid. This has been officially determined by two inebriated cheese heads during a bout of alcohol and cholesterol consumption in the snow. End of line.
It was later in the day, after the Bikini Snow Mobile races. Good times were had by all.
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So excited...We are doing a run of all the correlating movies then the movie at 12:01. I love midnight showings! ;D
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...my friend and I had an awesome drunk conversation about this over burgers and brats in the northern Wisconsin winter and Flash won out.
All other arguments are invalid. This has been officially determined by two inebriated cheese heads during a bout of alcohol and cholesterol consumption in the snow. End of line.
It was later in the day, after the Bikini Snow Mobile races. Good times were had by all.
:applaud: I love Wisconsin. I hope it was nippy out that day. ;)
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So excited...We are doing a run of all the correlating movies then the movie at 12:01. I love midnight showings! ;D
Awesome!
So watching both Iron Mans, Captain America, Thor, and... which Hulk?
And in what order?
Melt your brain! :cheers:
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I think I may go for a movie marathon on Friday and then head out to watch the movie, gonna go with the 2d version as it saves money and saves my eyes. As for the order of watching It should go in the following order. (Or at least my belief is this is the best order to watch them in).
Hulk (Ignore completely, no correlation with Avengers movie)
Iron Man 1
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America
Avengers
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Ironically, I think Hulk has the best two scenes in the entire movie. It's a weak plot, decent action, really cheesy, and a lot going on to show all at once. Group movies are hard to get right and they didn't do it completely.
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Ironically, I think Hulk has the best two scenes in the entire movie. It's a weak plot, decent action, really cheesy, and a lot going on to show all at once. Group movies are hard to get right and they didn't do it completely.
So far this is the only negative review I have heard. Everyone else, even movie snob critics says its awesome.
Who cares? Your life was just as complete before the movie had ever even been announced. April is too early to kick off the Summer Blockbuster season in the U.S. Or maybe they just weren't keen on competing against the Hunger Games. Or maybe, knowing that the U.S. is by far the most important market, they decided it's useful to have some serious test markets so they can maximize the effectiveness of their advertising campaigns here and get an idea of the demand for 3D vs. non-3D screenings.
In any case, I don't think it was meant as a slight on your nationality. :P
Its the principal of it Shmokes. I dont think the last week of April is vs the first week of May is going to be that much of a difference when concerning "Summer Blockbuster season". The Hunger Games has been out since March. The points you make are understandable, but not really valid, considering its only a week. I sincerely doubt, considering how word of mouth gets around with social media etc, that they would really rev up their marketing campaign, spend all that money, over a week. The only thing I would say that would be accurate would be the 3D test. Cmon, its an American property, made by Americans, and the rest of the world sees it first?! Kinda ---smurfy--- if you ask me. :dunno
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I think I may go for a movie marathon on Friday and then head out to watch the movie, gonna go with the 2d version as it saves money and saves my eyes. As for the order of watching It should go in the following order. (Or at least my belief is this is the best order to watch them in).
Hulk (Ignore completely, no correlation with Avengers movie)
Iron Man 1
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America
Avengers
They are doing marathons in the theater in some of the bigger cities around the country. Nothing close by me though. I'd like to catch a couple of them on DVD prior to the weekend if there is time.
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I think I may go for a movie marathon on Friday and then head out to watch the movie, gonna go with the 2d version as it saves money and saves my eyes. As for the order of watching It should go in the following order. (Or at least my belief is this is the best order to watch them in).
Hulk (Ignore completely, no correlation with Avengers movie)
Iron Man 1
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America
Avengers
Why not
Captain America
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 1
Iron Man 2
Thor
Avengers
Your list above seems to be organized by the teaser at the end of the film rather than any sort of chronology... unless you only watch the bit after the credits, then carry on.
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Ironically, I think Hulk has the best two scenes in the entire movie. It's a weak plot, decent action, really cheesy, and a lot going on to show all at once. Group movies are hard to get right and they didn't do it completely.
So far this is the only negative review I have heard. Everyone else, even movie snob critics says its awesome.
That's hard to believe.
I wouldn't call my review negative, I would just call it meh.
A lot of you will like the first part of the movie. It's a big what if your favorite superhero fought your other favorite superhero.
The second part of the movie, "the plot," is what I didn't like. You want to watch it right now? Watch Transformers Dark Side of the Moon and imagine Optimus Prime is Captain America and the rest of the transformers are the avengers. Substitute the Decepticons and the bad human guy for Loki and some other robotic aliens and you have the end of the Avengers almost plot for plot.
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Its the principal of it Shmokes.
But that's just the thing. Who cares? What's the principle? How would your life be any better if it opened on May 4th in Taiwan? Like . . . how does it even touch your life? Why would the knowledge of someone else seeing it a week before you even register on your radar? I don't understand how you'd be happier if it opened simultaneously worldwide--I mean, you'd still see it on May 4th, but you'd be content knowing that your viewing wasn't be marred by the knowledge that some Asian ---maternal-smurf--- got to see it first?
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Its the principal of it Shmokes.
But that's just the thing. Who cares? What's the principle? How would your life be any better if it opened on May 4th in Taiwan? Like . . . how does it even touch your life? Why would the knowledge of someone else seeing it a week before you even register on your radar? I don't understand how you'd be happier if it opened simultaneously worldwide--I mean, you'd still see it on May 4th, but you'd be content knowing that your viewing wasn't be marred by the knowledge that some Asian ---maternal-smurf--- got to see it first?
The theatres here that show open captioned films won't show Avengers with subs until it has been open 3 weeks, so all the hearing ---daisies--- get to hear it before the deaf ---daisies---. Unfair, unfair I say!!!11!1!!
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Its the principal of it Shmokes.
But that's just the thing. Who cares? What's the principle? How would your life be any better if it opened on May 4th in Taiwan? Like . . . how does it even touch your life? Why would the knowledge of someone else seeing it a week before you even register on your radar? I don't understand how you'd be happier if it opened simultaneously worldwide--I mean, you'd still see it on May 4th, but you'd be content knowing that your viewing wasn't be marred by the knowledge that some Asian ---maternal-smurf--- got to see it first?
1) It is most of the world, not just Taiwan.
2) I have been wanting to watch this movie for a damn long time. It is what my wife wanted to do for her birthday, and thanks to some pencilnecks in Hollywood, we instead have sit and wait for the whole world to watch it first. I have only been able to see 2 movies in the last year and a half since our kid was born and my wife loves comic movies more than I do. We can't just get a babysitter whenever we want, but her birthday we have someone lined up to babysit. So yeah, it does really rub me the wrong way that instead of getting to see the movie like she wants, she has to hear about the movie from her friends overseas.
3) It is simply a bitchy move. It is an American movie, based on American comics, starring a character named Captain America. Only a ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- would decide that Americans can't see it, but the rest of the world can. You gotta respect your primary fan base.
4) Thanks for calling my wife's friend an "Asian ---maternal-smurf---". Real classy.... ::)
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1- Yeah, my post would have read much better had I named each country. The point is the same. It doesn't affect you.
2- Wait, really? Cos you hadn't mentioned that. Did you let the studio know? Cos if they set the release date for May 4th, knowing you had a babysitter for your wif's birthday, that is seriously unclassy. Maybe they didn't know how much she likes comic book movies . . .
3- To be fair, it doesn't just star Captain America. Thor's in there too. Yet it's opening on Earth before Heaven. How do you think god feels?
4- Just so we're on the same page, I want you to know that I was specifically referring to your wife's friend earlier. I see now that it would be easy to read my sentence as referring to any random Asian who has the audacity to see this movie before Americans, but that was careless, frankly sloppy writing on my part. I meant your wife's friend. Well . . . the others too, but mainly her.
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My point is not about the specific date, it is that seeing a movie is a huge deal for me these days. It's annoying that some idiot decided that America doesn't get to watch the movie until two weeks later. Yeah, that move does specifically affect me. My wife thought she could go right away when her friend first mentioned it. Throw in that many of her friends are all going and it is a let down. I have a right to think it is stupid. Just because some asshat on the internet thinks I have no right to care makes no difference to me.
I am sure if a French filmmaker made a French film in France and decided to release to it the whole world except France, there might be some French people upset about it. It is not a big deal that I, or other people care about this sort of thing.
Oh and thanks for clearing up that you exclusively think my wife's friend is an Asian ---maternal-smurf---. I never thought you were addressing any group of people and frankly couldn't care even if you were. I'll be sure to pass on the message to her though.
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The bottom line is movies are now grossing more overseas than in America. The latest pirates, harry potter, etc. have all earned more money overseas, so the market is changing. The USA isn't the center of Hollywood's world these days. What's funny however is that comic book movies traditionally earn more in America than the rest of the world so this is an interesting turn of events.
Either way it will be released in the USA regardless, so it's all gravy.
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The bottom line is movies are now grossing more overseas than in America.
That's why everything is PG-13 these days. :P
That doesn't make any sense. America is considerably more prudish than many European countries.
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It's annoying that some idiot decided that America doesn't get to watch the movie until two weeks later.
That's not how it works. It's not like as soon as the movie is finished it's rushed to market as quickly as possible. The release date was set before the film ever started shooting and it's based on all kinds of factors including the release schedules of all the other movies opening in the US from every studio. Nothing stopped Marvel from opening in the US on April 27th except their decision that May 4 was the best day to open in the US. It's not like they decided to release in the US on May 4th because they think international audiences deserve to see the movie before the US. The date for the US was selected as May 4, and that would have been the date whether it opened internationally a week earlier, the same day, or a week later. No matter when the international opening, even if they decided to not release it internationally at all, your wife's birthday was always bound to be destroyed. Cos May 4th is the date they decided would maximize their profits. They believe so strongly in May 4th that they chose that date, knowing that thanks to the earlier international release date pirated copies would be available via bit torrent a full week in advance of the US release.
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Take a breathe, dude! :lol
I know they could pick any date they wanted, and I know they have reasons and projections and all sorts of factors placed into their decisions. I never indicated I didn't get that. They did not factor in the perception and image their decisions have on the audience. Bottom line, they might have had reasons, but no matter how you try to justify their actions -- It was a ---smurfette--- move. Because it was a ---smurfette--- move, I don't have to like it. That simple.
And as a side note, no matter what the MPAA says, The US the not the country they are losing money out on due to piracy. China by a longshot is doing the pirating instead of seeing the movie in the theater.
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It was a ---smurfette--- move. Because it was a ---smurfette--- move, I don't have to like it. That simple.
Well . . . it certainly was a move that has prompted a number of people to act like little bitches. :P
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Haven't all of the Marvel movies opened internationally before opening in the US ?
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It was a ---smurfette--- move. Because it was a ---smurfette--- move, I don't have to like it. That simple.
Well . . . it certainly was a move that has prompted a number of people to act like little bitches. :P
Haha, Touche, well just remind me to call you a ---smurfette--- next time you complain about something. ;D
Haven't all of the Marvel movies opened internationally before opening in the US ?
I think a few of the more recent ones did like Thor and Captain America. I didn't have a desire to see them right away, so I had no reason to ---smurfette--- about it though.
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Take solace in the memory of the Wii launching in the US two weeks before Japan.
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Haven't all of the Marvel movies opened internationally before opening in the US ?
I think a few of the more recent ones did like Thor and Captain America. I didn't have a desire to see them right away, so I had no reason to ---smurfette--- about it though.
So, this is the ---smurfing--- ultimate in white collar gripes ?
If this is actually something important enough in your life to ---smurfette--- about, then the universe hasn't handed you enough challenges.
Keep bitching, because apparently the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- works for you!
:cheers:
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It was a ---smurfette--- move. Because it was a ---smurfette--- move, I don't have to like it. That simple.
Well . . . it certainly was a move that has prompted a number of people to act like little bitches. :P
I dont think we should start calling people names around here, cmon. If anything Shmokes, you would be called a dick ten times more times than anyone would be called ---smurfette---. ::)
Its not that it impacts your LIFE or anything, but like Vigo said, it ---smurfs--- things up because Vigos wife's friends have already seen the damn thing, so thats going to take away from her birthday, and everything else he mentioned. Its just annoying. I think nations should cater to their own fanbase before they start peddling it to other people first. Europe doesnt do that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
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Really ?
It's a problem because dates for a 2 hour exhibition that were announced YEARS ago don't align with with somebody's birthday ?
I think nations should cater to their own fanbase before they start peddling it to other people first. Europe doesnt do that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
Modern-day jingoism at its best ... or is it ignorance because you are foolishly aligning corporations with nations ?
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Haven't all of the Marvel movies opened internationally before opening in the US ?
No, especially not true if they think it will do well. There is an almost proven conspiracy that really crappy movies (according to reviewers) are released internationally first. I think Battleship has proven this to be very true.
I did some more digging and I think Marvel studios must have purchased the first week in May because since 2007, they have released their biggest movie of the year on the first week of May.
European release dates will be based on European holidays and school schedules. Typically college finals in America are right around the first week of May.
Lots of people also think of May as the beginning of summer. All of these things are why Marvel has apparently bought out the first weekend in May for the foreseeable future.
FYI, Iron Man 3 coming out May 3, 2013. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 coming out May 2, 2014.
Edit: And my prediction, Avengers 2 coming out May 1, 2015.
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Really ?
It's a problem because dates for a 2 hour exhibition that were announced YEARS ago don't align with with somebody's birthday ?
I think nations should cater to their own fanbase before they start peddling it to other people first. Europe doesnt do that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
Modern-day jingoism at its best ... or is it ignorance because you are foolishly aligning corporations with nations ?
Im sorry, I misspoke, I didnt mean nations, I meant corporations. I dont know why I put nations.
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Really ?
It's a problem because dates for a 2 hour exhibition that were announced YEARS ago don't align with with somebody's birthday ?
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I have no issue with the fact the movie didn't release in time for a birthday. My issue is the date was intentionally shifted later and how it can be annoying. The point of the wife's birthday was just narrative as to how it ended up being annoying. Sorry I even brought it up but I had to point out that I can't just go to a movie whenever I want.
Normally when a guy makes a static complaint about stuff like this, he gets a "Yeah, that sucks dude. Hope you find a chance to see the movie." Not here I guess. :dizzy:
Really ?
It's a problem because dates for a 2 hour exhibition that were announced YEARS ago don't align with with somebody's birthday ?
I think nations should cater to their own fanbase before they start peddling it to other people first. Europe doesnt do that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
Modern-day jingoism at its best ... or is it ignorance because you are foolishly aligning corporations with nations ?
Im sorry, I misspoke, I didnt mean nations, I meant corporations. I dont know why I put nations.
Even so, every nation with a film industry has their own regulating organization with it. MPAA, Nation Film Board of Canada, UK Film Council, etc. I wouldn't call Mike's first choice a words a major gaffe. It makes me wonder why the MPAA isn't pushing Disney to release the movie here first since they state that they are here to directly benefit the US film climate. They must be too busy suing people and pushing for internet censorship.
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Haven't all of the Marvel movies opened internationally before opening in the US ?
No, especially not true if they think it will do well. There is an almost proven conspiracy that really crappy movies (according to reviewers) are released internationally first. I think Battleship has proven this to be very true.
So, I ask a question of fact and you reply no and tell me why.
As it turns out though, this is par for the course. Last year, Thor appeared in Australia more than a week before anywhere else, and continued to premiere in Norway, Sweden, and virtually everywhere else before it hit the US. X-Men: First Class, Iron Man 2, and Spider-Man 3 all debuted in almost every country lined up to show the film before they made their way to America. Captain America, at least, they let out here first.
I wasn't quite right, but I wasn't far off the mark.
If you want to tie release dates to the quality of the movie, then feel free, although I don't see the linkage as clearly as you seem to.
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Normally when a guy makes a static complaint about stuff like this, he gets a "Yeah, that sucks dude. Hope you find a chance to see the movie." Not here I guess. :dizzy:
I was thinking the same thing. I got where you were coming from.
I assume that PnR must not be getting enough traffic.
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Two reasons. One, the tone of the complaint, especially from Mike, was not one of disappointment, but one of entitlement. It wasn't, "Those lucky ---daisies--- in Asia get to see it a week earlier than us." It was more along the lines of, "Why do those Asian ---maternal-smurfs--- get to watch OUR movie before us."
Second, is that this sense of entitlement and outrage is over something so silly: not being able to see a movie until May 4th instead of April 27th. A movie, mind you, that you've lived happily without seeing for your entire life up until this point. Granted, this second issue is only really an issue because of what I see as the slightly distasteful entitlement thing above. I totally get being excited and impatient for something new. But the sentiment in this thread wasn't one of so much of disappointment but offense and, like, nationalism.
Btw, Vigo, I feel your pain. I'm the father of a 5-year old girl! And I was in school (i.e., earning no money) for the first four of those years. Prior to her birth my wife and I saw everything that was remotely interesting in the theater. In the five years she's been alive I'd guess I've been to the theater maybe 10 or 12 times and prob 6-8 of those were kids movies. Paying for (or even finding) a babysitter sucks.
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Well, if that is how you interpreted it, I can understand where you are coming from. I swear the sense of entitlement out there from is just sickening. I deal with claims at my company and I gets my blood boiling the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- I see. Just the other week, I read a claim letter from our former VP of Marketing. He only worked for us for a couple months, turned out to be horrible at his job, and was canned within 3 months of starting. He had a severence agreement that we would continue to pay him full salary for a year, more 200k over 12 months for not working. On the 11th month in, our company filed bankruptcy and therefore could not pay the guy his last 15k. So this guy files a claim with the court and the letter he wrote was this sob story about how he is dirt poor and had to sell his home to feed his kids and without the money he is entitled to he will have to live on the streets. He was begging for the sake of his children to have that money that my evil company was taking away from him. :dizzy: IMO, the guy shouldn't have gotten a nickel in severance to begin with anyway.
Back on topic, I really didn't interpret Mike's statements as entitlement. I dunno. To begin with, Mike always struck me as a guy who would much rather work the night shift at McDonalds than go on welfare if the situation arose. Entitlement just doesn't come to mind with Mike. I guess I also read his sentiments as more disappointment with Marvel/Disney. For me, Disney making that move doesn't surprise me, but easily Marvel. Stan Lee is a fascinating guy who loves his fans, I am sure you probably appreciate him for being the pioneer in making superheroes much more flawed, but he has always been the king of giving fans exactly what they want. Stan isn't at Marvel anymore, AFAIK, but let downs are few and far between. I doubt Marvel called the shots on this one, but I think Mike more than anything felt let down that we can't see the movie at the same time as the rest of the world.
Oh, and I figured you would know exactly what I meant about not being able to see movies with a kid. I agree, finding and paying for Babysitters does suck. It's even harder without family in town. I wouldn't trade being a dad for anything in the world, but jeez you have to give up a lot of personal freedom. Right now I am forging a plan to hunt down a good drive in theater to be able to go to movies this summer. I hope this plan pans out.
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. . . would much rather work the night shift at McDonalds than go on welfare if the situation arose. Entitlement just doesn't come to mind . . .
I find that the wealthy suffer far more from irrational feelings of entitlement than the poor. Most poor people work super hard for very little. It cracks me up that rich people have successfully framed poor people as spoiled little entitlement queens. Not that Mike is rich (maybe he is, maybe he isn't), but I don't think the welfare thing is a very good barometer for entitlement.
you have to give up a lot of all personal freedom. Right now I am forging a plan to hunt down a good drive in theater to be able to go to movies this summer. I hope this plan pans out.
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This thread has gone on some incredible tangents! :lol
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Btw, Vigo, I feel your pain. I'm the father of a 5-year old girl! And I was in school (i.e., earning no money) for the first four of those years. Prior to her birth my wife and I saw everything that was remotely interesting in the theater. In the five years she's been alive I'd guess I've been to the theater maybe 10 or 12 times and prob 6-8 of those were kids movies. Paying for (or even finding) a babysitter sucks.
I feel ya...I have a 13 year old, a 5 year old and a newborn. Before the first kid, the wife and I went to any movie that looked good. In the last 13 years, I've been to the movies 10 times tops. It has to be reserved for that one very special movie that you know for a fact is going to kick major ass. And usually one of us goes and the other stays home with the kids. (Depends on the movie)
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IMO, the guy shouldn't have gotten a nickel in severance to begin with anyway.
Maybe your company wouldn't have gone bankrupt if it wasn't run by idiots signing contracts like that.
:dunno
Damn straight. :applaud: There have been news articles recently about how our executives found a loophole to award themselves millions in bonuses while we are in bankruptcy, and being the ones who put us into bankruptcy in the first place.
I find that the wealthy suffer far more from irrational feelings of entitlement than the poor. Most poor people work super hard for very little. It cracks me up that rich people have successfully framed poor people as spoiled little entitlement queens. Not that Mike is rich (maybe he is, maybe he isn't), but I don't think the welfare thing is a very good barometer for entitlement.
You could be spot on there. I am pretty sure that there are plenty of hard workers and idiots who feel entitled on every pay grade, just what they feel entitled to changes. Maybe my example wasn't the best, but more directly what I noticed from talking to Mike when he talks about his work, he has a good work ethic. When he posts a problem here, it is will the attitude he is going to sort out the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- himself and is grateful for any help or advice we can give him. I guess that could be said about a lot of people here, but it is still something I notice.
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I don't doubt it. I wasn't maligning his character generally. I'm referring only to his anger over the avengers. I just find it a bit silly. Aside from that Mike's probably Mother ---smurfing--- Theresa.
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I saw it yesterday. I watched the 2D version which was better on my eyes. I thought the sound was poor, way too loud and it made me cringe (probably due to the upper frequencies), the acting was OK, you could have shelved Thor, Hulk the bow dude and Loki and his amazing Gieger buddies (really?) and just have a Iron Man 3 with Capt America and Black Widow. Iron Man made it possible with future technology. This outing was complete "twilight" crap.
But I got my student discount, and a nice seat (cinema nearly all to myself), and it was...... entertainment. Maybe I'm getting old...
I'd wait for DVD release or at the Budget cinemas, but I wouldn't pay full price to see it.
I give it 6/10. Joss should know better.
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I give it 6/10. Joss should know better.
That's just the thing, it's Joss. He's a hit or miss type of guy and highly overrated in the marvel world.
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I give it 6/10. Joss should know better.
6/10 to me means you thought it was crap and not worth watching.
Avengers Assemble! One Direction Parody of What Makes You Beautiful! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9OgM1hQ7C0#ws)
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Excellent flick. Go see it in 3d. Marvel and Joss did good.
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My teenage son just came back from seeing it. He's not a Marvel geek but he loved the movie.
We are taking my mom to see it for Mother's Day so looks like I get to see it two weeks after the rest of the world... >:D
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Just saw it in 2D and LOVED IT. I can't wait for the next one.
I was glad to see them finally figure out what a lot of us have known all along....that Hulk works better in a team than on his own. I wasn't a fan of the first Hulk movie, the second was decent but forgettable, however this movie put him exactly where he belongs--as a supporting character.
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It was an entertaining movie. There were a lot of great actors so they held up the scenes very well. They also did a great job with the hulk. Not just in fighting, but in the mythos that everyone in Marvel is piss drunk afraid of the Hulk, which they are. So they did a great job showing that. Iron man as always was done well and Thor too. They did a great job bringing Cap to the forefront of leadership and I thought they fleshed out Hawkeye nicely as well. I could have done without Widow but oh well, they came as a packaged deal. The Loki Hulk fight was enjoyable.
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I saw it yesterday. I watched the 2D version which was better on my eyes. I thought the sound was poor, way too loud and it made me cringe (probably due to the upper frequencies), the acting was OK, you could have shelved Thor, Hulk the bow dude and Loki and his amazing Gieger buddies (really?) and just have a Iron Man 3 with Capt America and Black Widow. Iron Man made it possible with future technology. This outing was complete "twilight" crap.
But I got my student discount, and a nice seat (cinema nearly all to myself), and it was...... entertainment. Maybe I'm getting old...
I'd wait for DVD release or at the Budget cinemas, but I wouldn't pay full price to see it.
I give it 6/10. Joss should know better.
I am glad there is someone else not effected by Marvel hype. I didn't like this movie when it was called Transformers Dark Side of the Moon either. The acting and dialog was better, but same crappy story.
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I highly enjoyed it... I loved the entire Hulk/Thor teamup... :laugh2: classic...
As for the ending....was that Skrulls or was that Thanos... I couldnt tell...
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I highly enjoyed it... I loved the entire Hulk/Thor teamup... :laugh2: classic...
As for the ending....was that Skrulls or was that Thanos... I couldnt tell...
^^the latter.
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I highly enjoyed it... I loved the entire Hulk/Thor teamup... :laugh2: classic...
As for the ending....was that Skrulls or was that Thanos... I couldnt tell...
THANOS
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I thought so, but I wanted to make sure....
I saw it in Virgina Beach the past weekend ( visiting in-laws) and I was so perplexed by the people in the theatres... Everybody in the theatre was applauding/clapping after every damn scene... It was becoming so damn annoying... I was close to jumping up and yelling... "THEY ARE JUST FICTIONAL CHARACTERS PEOPLE! STFU! :angry:
Because of it, i couldnt hear some of the lines... for example... WTF was the one and only line did the Hulk say? I was so peeved off... :timebomb:
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My GF and I went to see it sunday, we both enjoyed it immensely, and we'll snag the BluRay when it comes out.
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I highly enjoyed it... I loved the entire Hulk/Thor teamup... :laugh2: classic...
As for the ending....was that Skrulls or was that Thanos... I couldnt tell...
THANOS
Am I the only person physically unable to not click the spoiler bars even if I don't want to be spoiled?
It's amazing that they let me near heavy weapons. Thank gawd I don't work in a missile silo.
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Lmao . . . you're in good company. Welll . . . company anyway.
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And yet . . . it looks like Avengers is gonna be great! (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers/)
Ah, glad the reviews are promising. Not sure if I can handle another in-theater viewing so soon after trying to watch Cabin in the Woods through the light of cell phone screens and people jibber-jabbering, but the buzz sure makes it tempting.
At this point, I have read/heard too many glowing reviews from people I trust... I will see it this week.
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WTF was the one and only line did the Hulk say? I was so peeved off... :timebomb:
"Puny god."
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Am I the only person physically unable to not click the spoiler bars even if I don't want to be spoiled?
It's amazing that they let me near heavy weapons. Thank gawd I don't work in a missile silo.
I dont click, just hover. You can always hold your mouse button down and highlight?
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Am I the only person physically unable to not click the spoiler bars even if I don't want to be spoiled?
It's amazing that they let me near heavy weapons. Thank gawd I don't work in a missile silo.
I dont click, just hover. You can always hold your mouse button down and highlight?
Oh I've figured out the hover, what's really twisted is I will click anyway if it's one I haven't seen. Rotation counts was mezmerizing.
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Hey, did my post get deleted? ???
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I enjoyed it. There was a definite Transformers feel to it at times though.
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I keep seeing this Transformers comparison. After how retarded the first Transformers movie was, I ignored the second two. Will having not seen Transformers 3 increase my enjoyment of Avengers?
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I enjoyed it. There was a definite Transformers feel to it at times though.
Do you mean as in "big summer action movie" feel or "horrible crap movie" feel?
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Big Summer Action Movie feel. I did not feel that the movie was crap. And it was much better than all 3 Transformers which isn't saying much I guess.
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I keep seeing this Transformers comparison. After how retarded the first Transformers movie was, I ignored the second two. Will having not seen Transformers 3 increase my enjoyment of Avengers?
:dizzy: I agree....where is this comparison coming from? I dont see it... I was able to see the characters clearly and action sequences were top notch... Iron Man was "Iron Man" (no jumbled piece of scrap metal talking) Explosions were well placed and used correctly... and as far as i know I didnt hear/see Shia LaDoofy screaming "Optimus!" through out the damn movie...
Kudos to Josh Weldon .... for blowing Micheal "BAM"a-Bay out of the water.
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I don't get the "Transformers Feel" reference either. How does a movie containing "explosions" get an automatic comparison to a crudtastic Michael Bay movie?
Also, robot chicken Michael Bay Explosions:
Explosions!!1 Michael Bay.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTl9ni8fVFI#noexternalembed)
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hmm....my posts keep getting deleted. Anyway...I didn't feel that it was like Transformers. I just felt that the cgi reminded me of it AT TIMES. 95% of the movie was great. Let's just say I am not a fan of cgi...but obviously you cannot make a movie like this without it.
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hmm....my posts keep getting deleted. Anyway...I didn't feel that it was like Transformers. I just felt that the cgi reminded me of it AT TIMES. 95% of the movie was great. Let's just say I am not a fan of cgi...but obviously you cannot make a movie like this without it.
I gotcha. I'm with you on the CGI, I haven't seen the film yet but (based on the trailer) I am going in assuming that The Hulk's effects will test my suspension of disbelief a few times.
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Hopefully this post doesnt get deleted. I think if a mod deletes your post, you should get notified as to why. Anyway...
I think what Bootay means is that there was a big action scene in the end that involved a lot of destruction in New York, ala Transformers 3. Granted, I havent seen Transformers 3, but it shows both scenes in the trailers. There is a big worm robot thing in Transformers 3 at the end, and Avengers have a few big flying worm things tearing up the city.
Im not a bif fan of CGI either, but sometimes, when there is no way to do it practically, you HAVE to. The Hulk was amazing, I loved this movie, I want to see it again. Also, dont see it in 3D. Its a waste of money, and it doesnt look as sharp as 2D.
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Excessive CGI haters, Assemble!! :cheers:
Don't know what is up with the deleting...maybe Haruman is a CGI fanyboy. ;D
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Hopefully this post doesnt get deleted. I think if a mod deletes your post, you should get notified as to why. Anyway...
I think what Bootay means is that there was a big action scene in the end that involved a lot of destruction in New York, ala Transformers 3. Granted, I havent seen Transformers 3, but it shows both scenes in the trailers. There is a big worm robot thing in Transformers 3 at the end, and Avengers have a few big flying worm things tearing up the city.
Im not a bif fan of CGI either, but sometimes, when there is no way to do it practically, you HAVE to. The Hulk was amazing, I loved this movie, I want to see it again. Also, dont see it in 3D. Its a waste of money, and it doesnt look as sharp as 2D.
I wouldn't classify the Avengers enemy ships as a big worm thing, especially since there are a lot of them.
For me, even though both are CGI, they have different feels to them. Guess it's a personal preference thing.
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Alright...I said AT TIMES. I was referring to the enemies and the worm things let's not hang onto my comments. The movie was fine...it just had a couple of moments that felt similar to a Transformers movie...nothing quite as bad as Battleship or anything. LOL
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Hey, did my post get deleted? ???
I'm out of town all week in a training class, I haven't deleted anything, and I don't see any deleted posts of yours in the trash can. Neither for Bootay either. Nor do I see any deleted posts in the log files.
What / when were you guys posting that looks like it was deleted? You sure it got posted?
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I don't know saint...I'm not worried about it. It might have been a code 18 since I am at work and don't often pay attention to what I'm doing because I am on the phone usually...LOL
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Every time I see a commercial for Battleship I laugh out loud... a movie based on the Battleship board game starring Liam Neeson and Rhianna sounds like a Robot Chicken sketch. :laugh2: I look forward to next summer's Connect Four featuring Morgan Freeman and Ke$ha.
In a world overrun by zombies, can these four unlikely heroes fall in line to save humanity? June 2013!
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How much more far-fetched is it than Pirates of the Caribbean? A movie based on a crappy theme park ride . . .
I remember leading up to the release of that film wondering how in the name of god they got Johnny Depp to sign on for that role. The movie turned out pretty damned good, though, all things considered.
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How much more far-fetched is it than Pirates of the Caribbean? A movie based on a crappy theme park ride . . .
I remember leading up to the release of that film wondering how in the name of god they got Johnny Depp to sign on for that role. The movie turned out pretty damned good, though, all things considered.
True. Pirates was dripping with atmosphere, the whole fantasy pirate thing really had its own vibe. Actually made me excited back when Gore Verbinski was supposed to direct a BioShock movie.
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Jazzed?? Its past that, man!! :drool :woot
I have not seen it yet but know people who have and all have said its great, the best ever!!
And having smashed records for the boxoffice in the first few weeks (never has it happened in movie history) and over $800 million worldwide and climbing (also its not even out in Japan yet) it will easily beat avatar!
And I feel sorry for Battleship and dark shadows, bad timing for release!
Avengers for the win!!
Okay, do I get paid by the studio for this advertising now? ;)
EDIT: Passed 1 Billion today, wow!! ;D
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Well . . . jesus . . . maybe you should go see it.
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Well . . . :censored:. . . maybe you should go see it.
Got to wait for the crowds to clear!
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I saw The Avengers yesterday with the family. It started off very slow and I was a little worried. Even the first scene with Tony Start felt a little flat. The movie started to pick up steam very quickly after that and kept getting better and better until the very end. Just a fantastic movie. Everything you want in a summer movie.
I didn't care for either Hulk movie and don't really like Mark Ruffalo but you people that posted that the Hulk made the movie were dead on correct. Ruffalo does a great job and Whedon really understood how to use the Hulk effectively. He must just be a better supporting character.
There is a "monologuing" scene towards the end that is laugh out loud funny.
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Just finished rewatching Hulk on DVD and seeing the Avengers tomorrow, finally. I have to say, the build-up and interweaving between movies is really something we haven't seen before, and it is interesting to see one of the fundamental aspects of the Marvel Universe (oh, how cross-overs kept me broke as a kid) work in a different medium.
As long as (film) Captain America never meets the (film) Human Torch, we'll be alright.
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As long as (film) Captain America never meets the (film) Human Torch, we'll be alright.
Different studios, plus they are planning to reboot anyway (and if they don't by the end of the year, the rights revert to Marvel Studios).
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As long as (film) Captain America never meets the (film) Human Torch, we'll be alright.
Different studios, plus they are planning to reboot anyway (and if they don't by the end of the year, the rights revert to Marvel Studios).
Yeah, I think it is better if the FF films fade into obscurity anyway. I still find it funny he has played two Marvel heroes, though.
Does Avengers explain how Captain America isn't 80 years old, or do they just gloss over it like The Watchmen did with The Comedian?
It was explained in the Cap movie, in the last 10 minutes... he was frozen, Walt Disney's head-style in the arctic after the plane crash (that he made very little effort to escape). Unless I am missing something.
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Okay, fair enough. Does it explain why a thunder god needs a bunch of human helpers? Is it just a Matrix 2 thing where he's bored and likes to fight for no reason?
Not sure if you asking based on seeing the movie, or not seeing the movie. But in a nutshell, there is a
Saw it is weekend in 3-D at a Dine-in theater with the wife, reserved comfortable seating, food & beer, can't beat it. We loved it, though she eq
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Okay, fair enough. Does it explain why a thunder god needs a bunch of human helpers? Is it just a Matrix 2 thing where he's bored and likes to fight for no reason?
Thor always seemed out of place to me in the Marvel Universe. I am impressed that they stuck with him, though, as they could have used the different medium as an excuse to use someone else, they have plenty of popular characters to choose from.
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Bah,
Post submitted above before I actually wrote anything. Actual post below:
Okay, fair enough. Does it explain why a thunder god needs a bunch of human helpers? Is it just a Matrix 2 thing where he's bored and likes to fight for no reason?
Not sure if you asking based on seeing the movie, or not seeing the movie. But in a nutshell, Thor’s brother is involved, so there is a good and a bad God that would effectively cancel each other out. The bad guys coming in would eventually overwhelm Thor (I imagine) and even if not, the issue is that they are causing a heck of a lot of destruction, and while he can slow the tide, he is unable to stop it, which will cause a lot of damage to the Earth, which thanks to a sexy Natalie Portman, is under Thor’s protection for the most part, and he also feels guilty about the damage he caused previously. Not your usual God caring stuff, but Thor seems to have a soft spot for humans/Earth.
For myself,
Saw it is weekend in 3-D at a Dine-in theater with the wife, reserved comfortable seating, food & beer, can't beat it. We loved it, though she equated it to porn as she got to watch Cap and Thor together, not sure how to take that. Great movie, weak in some spots (I didn't see Transformers 3 so have no comments there, but the army itself was kinda wimpy, but worked ), but the characters came off great (I expected to be cold towards Black Widow but she had a couple really great moments where she did her espionage thing that I liked ), each character had a "moment" or two, but the Hulk did steal the show , I thought Ruffalo was good throughout, though I haven't yet seen Norton's Hulk so can’t comment there. This was probably the best of the Marvel films leading up to it in my opinion, there were several spots where I laughed out loud (LOUD per my wife) and probably the most impressive thing is that they actually did it. In concept, this is a great idea, it execution, this could have gone so badly with all the lead-in movies and required cast, but they pulled it off. Kudos to Joss and the actors. There is a scene towards the end where all the Avengers are in picture and ready for battle and I thought “Wow, they did it, they actually made this happen!”
FYI to those who like to sit for the credits, TWO extra scenes. First mentioned above, there is a second, funny , addition.
I’d see it again, will own on DVD. Woot!
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Saw it again on Sunday with some friends. Thought it was better the second time around.
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I'm excited. Joss' comics runs have me convinced he can handle ensembles of iconic characters, which hopefully will translate to the big screen well.
Ah, past self, you were right! :cheers: A very good flick. Consider me impressed and looking forward to where the series goes next, hopefully with Whedon at the helm again.
And nobody was kicking the back of my seat while I watched, which while it has nothing to do with Joss, only makes me appreciate him more.
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Well . . . :censored: . . . maybe you should go see it.
Well last night I went to see The Avengers in IMAX 3D. (got the tickets online and I could pick the seats so no trouble getting in!)
Anyway after 2 hours and 30 minutes of watching it, and getting out of the theater at 1 A.M. :P , I would say its most definitely worth going to!
Its funny (some moments the entire audience was laughing like you would expect at a comedy), has a good plot, the characters all work great together, and the action was not overdone. But still I would say its a great action movie, but wasn't constantly happening. Only a lot near the end and a bit spread throughout. So not overdone like some movies are. And not at all like the Transformers are!!
Why do people think they are similar? :dunno
So I would recommend this movie to anyone, IMAX or not. And make sure you stay right to the very, very end of the credits. The clips are worth seeing!
:applaud: :applaud:
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I haven't seen either, but it's pretty clear that people aren't comparing it to Transformers generally. They're specifically comparing it to Transformers 3. As in, there are striking plot similarities or something.
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I haven't seen either, but it's pretty clear that people aren't comparing it to Transformers generally. They're specifically comparing it to Transformers 3. As in, there are striking plot similarities or something.
Since I have taken the DVD of the first one back to the store after reading about it I really don't watch them anymore.
But Transformers 3 did very well, and The Avengers did better but not by much....yet!!!! So was Transformers 3 better than the other 2?
Or do people like robots smashing robots that much?
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Critically, Transformers 3 did worse than the first film and better than the second. But at 35% on the Tomatometer (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_dark_of_the_moon/) it is very rotten no matter how you dice it. The Avengers, by comparison, has a 93% rating (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers/).
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Or do people like robots smashing robots that much?
Only when Lister is narrating it
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Saw Avengers last night. I thought it was great. A lot of hilarious moments. I agree with the common theme here that Hulk stole the show. Another great thing about the movie is that the filmmakers clearly understand how absurd Captain America is and they used that to their advantage.
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I'm going tomorrow. Carmike is showing 2D with Open Captions (wife is hearing impaired) so I'm super stoked to get to see this in the theatre.
Last film I saw in a theatre with my wife was Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.
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I'm going tomorrow. Carmike is showing 2D with Open Captions (wife is hearing impaired) so I'm super stoked to get to see this in the theatre.
Last film I saw in a theatre with my wife was Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.
A lot of theaters suck with captioning options, I am glad you found something. :cheers: You ever try any of those seat mounted closed captioning devices (if they even offer that in your area). They sounded kind like a pain to me that you have to keep looking down at your seat to watch the movie.
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I'm going tomorrow. Carmike is showing 2D with Open Captions (wife is hearing impaired) so I'm super stoked to get to see this in the theatre.
Last film I saw in a theatre with my wife was Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.
A lot of theaters suck with captioning options, I am glad you found something. :cheers: You ever try any of those seat mounted closed captioning devices (if they even offer that in your area). They sounded kind like a pain to me that you have to keep looking down at your seat to watch the movie.
Those rear projection mirror systems are terrible. It's a half assed solution at best. A lot of people complain to management when they pay to see a film and find out that english subs are being displayed for the HI in the audience. One dude in Birmingham a few weeks ago asked for his money back and they mngment declined so he pulled the fire alarm. We have a pretty good deaf community here tho so it hasn't been as much of an issue. We'll be going out in force tomorrow.
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I assume a film like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, which I saw in a theater in a rural town (population 25,000), has its subtitles hard coded on the print. It's not like there's a big mandarin community to speak of in the U.S. Any multiplex showing this film is showing it to an English-speaking audience. There's no need for special captioning.
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I assume a film like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, which I saw in a theater in a rural town (population 25,000), has its subtitles hard coded on the print. It's not like there's a big mandarin community to speak of in the U.S. Any multiplex showing this film is showing it to an English-speaking audience. There's no need for special captioning.
Correct, those were hard coded subs; however, hard coded subs are becoming less common for theatres due to digital releases. Nowadays even foreign language sections are part of a soft sub track that is turned on as default. Warner, Sony, and a few others always send the full English sub track with every release. All by law can provide by request but that may result in a multiweek turnaround. It is at the theatre owner's discretion to present the captions as all digital projectors are sub compliant.
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Since they usually show the 2D version on the same screen as the 3D version, couldn't they use the RealD glasses to display subs that are practically invisible to the rest of the audience?
Nevermind. Wouldn't work.
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Don't they have devices for the HI, like Braille encoders and special displays?
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Don't they have devices for the HI, like Braille encoders and special displays?
Common misconception. The hearing impaired (HI) do not read Braille because they aren't BLIND!1!1!!
and yes they do have special displays, they suck ass. Try watching a movie and reading a newspaper at the same time. On screen captions are the solution. No need to reinvent the wheel here.
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I would be 100% ok with captions becoming the standard, there are plenty of folks with various levels of hearing ability. Heck, I have been to enough theaters where the center channel was undermixed or downright broken that it makes sense anyway.
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By becoming standard do you mean that every film would have captions, visible to everyone? I'm not sure I would be 100% okay with that. I mean, maybe greater than 50% okay, seeing as it would be nice for the hearing impaired, but I do find it a bit distracting. I sometimes enable captions in videogames when I find myself missing some of the dialogue. But invariably I turn it back off because I find myself reading the subtitles instead of paying full attention to the voices and I end up missing a lot of the humor and drama that only comes through in the voice inflections.
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Seems like they could embed captions in the video and then have it only display if you were wearing special glasses.
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:stupid Was thinking that might be a possibility as well.
I personally don't mind captions though. Back when the wife didn't speak perfect English, we would always watch everything with english subtitles on. They actually grew on me and I would find myself flipping the subtitles on even when watching alone.
TV closed captioning is just downright funny though, at least on live stuff. I love to watch what pops up on the screen. :lol
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Avengers. Kicks. Ass.
<Insert long ghey texting acronym here> that movie was the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. Hulk stole the damn show, up and ran away with it. Fantastic^3. Subs were awesome too.
:woot
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Seems like they could embed captions in the video and then have it only display if you were wearing special glasses.
Those Google Project Glass augmented reality glasses! What a great idea. I ought to patent it. You don't need anything special embedded into the video. Just download the official subs to your augmented reality glasses and it'll overlay the appropriate text over the video.
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Seems like they could embed captions in the video and then have it only display if you were wearing special glasses.
Those Google Project Glass augmented reality glasses! What a great idea. I ought to patent it. You don't need anything special embedded into the video. Just download the official subs to your augmented reality glasses and it'll overlay the appropriate text over the video.
Sub display needs to be synched very closely to dialog. HI can tell by lip and camera mvmnts if the subs are off by more than 100 ms. Fix the synching issue with a thirdparty device and get the studios to release the sub file before or day of film release and you're in business.
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Syncing shouldn't be hard for an augmented reality device since it wouldn't need to constantly sync, but rather sync initially and then run at a fixed rate. The device could check every minute or something to make sure it wasn't drifting, but for the most part it would stay on.
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the filmmakers clearly understand how absurd Captain America is and they used that to their advantage.
Please explain..... ???
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Okay, fair enough. Does it explain why a thunder god needs a bunch of human helpers? Is it just a Matrix 2 thing where he's bored and likes to fight for no reason?
A little late to the party, but the angle here is that the Asgardians as seen here aren't truly gods and aren't exactly as they're depicted in Norse mythology. The whole "magic is just science that we don't understand" thing is thrown around, and they are essentially very powerful aliens who like to throw the word "god" around.
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the filmmakers clearly understand how absurd Captain America is and they used that to their advantage.
Please explain..... ???
Here we go again...
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My thoughts exactly..... :lol
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The movie was awesome. Nuff said. The wait for Avengers 2 will be long. The only thing I thought was a bit over the top was the flying aircraft carrier but hey....its a comic book movie. Oh and the other thing was at the end when Iron Man is falling from the sky Thor is just looking at him falling and comments on it but doesnt actually fly up to save him? That seemed kinda weird.
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The only thing I thought was a bit over the top was the flying aircraft carrier but hey....its a comic book movie.
You know that was in the comic books, right?
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Yea the flying heli-carrier is straight out of the comics. Comic movies aren't supposed to be realistic.
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Fooled ya, I have nothing to add
>:D
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LOL
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Fooled ya, I have nothing to add
>:D
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The flying SHEILD ship was one of my favorite things in the movie. I really didn't expect them to have it in the movie since it is so over the top.
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the filmmakers clearly understand how absurd Captain America is and they used that to their advantage.
Please explain..... ???
Here we go again...
My thoughts exactly..... :lol
Okay, am I missing something here? I didn't read the whole thread so I wouldn't know if you talked about this already so here goes what again?
This isn't some hate for Captain America thing, is it?
If so, I want nothing to do with it. ::)
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Okay, fair enough. Does it explain why a thunder god needs a bunch of human helpers? Is it just a Matrix 2 thing where he's bored and likes to fight for no reason?
A little late to the party, but the angle here is that the Asgardians as seen here aren't truly gods and aren't exactly as they're depicted in Norse mythology. The whole "magic is just science that we don't understand" thing is thrown around, and they are essentially very powerful aliens who like to throw the word "god" around.
The only one who really threw the word around is Loki, I don't think Thor, Odin or any of the others ever called themselves a "god".
I think it was a good idea how they did that since it would have been easier to just say they are "gods" and that is how they do the whole magic thing. Science makes it more "realistic".
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We watched The Incredible Hulk (Norton version) last night. My kids hadn't seen it and I had not seen it in several years. It was much better than I remembered. There are a few weak points but overall it is a good movie. Much, much better than the first one. We rented the BluRay version and the images of Brazil are simply stunning in HD.
My daughter though thought it was "okay". She grumbled on her way out of the room that "Captain America" is still her favorite. ;D
Edit - I'm always getting my Edward's mixed up.
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The only thing I thought was a bit over the top was the flying aircraft carrier but hey....its a comic book movie.
You that was in the comic books, right?
I never read comic books so no I had no idea that was in there. I liked the characters growing up but the comic book reading format was just not my thing. I got all my background from cartoons.
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Who was the villain teased at the end, after the first set of credits? A lot of people say it was Thanos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos), but he appears to be blue and the guy in the movie looked red. He actually looked a lot like Hellboy, but that's obviously not the case.
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Who was the villain teased at the end, after the first set of credits? A lot of people say it was Thanos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos), but he appears to be blue and the guy in the movie looked red. He actually looked a lot like Hellboy, but that's obviously not the case.
It was most def. thanos:
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/6/61/Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_8.jpg (http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/6/61/Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_8.jpg)
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Who was the villain teased at the end, after the first set of credits? A lot of people say it was Thanos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos), but he appears to be blue and the guy in the movie looked red. He actually looked a lot like Hellboy, but that's obviously not the case.
Thanos is Blue/Purple depending on what comic/artist is drawing him. He also wasn't red in the end of the movie but there was a slight tint of red on his Skin.
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Here is something I sent my wife after she asked about the teaser at the end. I'm not that familiar with the subject, so the following is gleaned from Wikipedia and simplified from other sources:
Thanos was born on Titan, a moon of Saturn. During his childhood, he becomes fascinated with nihilism and death, eventually falling in love with its embodiment, Mistress Death. As an adult, Thanos uses bionics and mysticism to become the most powerful of the Titans, and is often referred to as the Mad Titan. Wishing to impress Mistress Death, Thanos gathers an army of villainous aliens and begins a nuclear bombardment of Titan that kills millions of his race. He then travels to Earth in search of the Cosmic Cube.
Thanos makes a brief appearance during the credits in the 2012 film The Avengers. He is revealed to have been Loki's benefactor, having provided the Chitauri army utilized by Loki in his attempted invasion of Earth. When advised by his intermediary (known simply as the "Other") that opposing the Avengers would be to "court death," Thanos glances at the camera and flashes an evil grin.
Death is an abstract entity, the embodiment of the end of life in the Marvel Universe, and the opposite of Eternity, the embodiment of the universe. As a cosmic concept, Death possesses the power to achieve virtually any effect. Being an abstract entity, Death has no physical body, but usually appears in a female humanoid form, sometimes with a beautiful face or alternately with a bare skull, so it can be perceived by lesser beings.
Death is briefly implied in the 2012 movie, the Avengers. When Thanos's servant tells him that to challenge the Avengers is to court Death, Thanos smiles, implying that's what he intends.
Rando's Opinion: So Thanos is your typical movie bad guy, looking to cause lots of destruction and enslave humanity, etc. But in the comics at least, he’s doing this to win the favor of a “girl”, Death. Will Death itself be introduced as a character? Would she simply be an observer, or be more involved? No clue, but neat, maybe.
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The guy who created him said that even he thought the color was a bit off... and that he felt he should have more chin... ;D
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/05/11/avengers-spoiler-special-mystery-villains-creator-speaks-out/#/0 (http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/05/11/avengers-spoiler-special-mystery-villains-creator-speaks-out/#/0)
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Any catch the infinity gauntlet in Thor?
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Saw this Sunday. I liked it. I haven't liked a lot of the Marvel movies but this one was pretty good. The only real issue I had with it was that it felt just like Independence Day once the aliens came in. I've had enough of aliens invading "New York City" and shooting green lasers all over the place.
Other than that I thought it was pretty good. Got to see it in 2D, too, which is getting harder with each passing year.
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Saw this Sunday. I liked it. I haven't liked a lot of the Marvel movies but this one was pretty good. The only real issue I had with it was that it felt just like Independence Day once the aliens came in. I've had enough of aliens invading "New York City" and shooting green lasers all over the place.
In the Avengers they used blue lasers.
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By far the worst moment in the film was when Loki awoke from the thrashing Hulk had given him to find that the Avengers, yes, even Hulk, had arranged themselves into a ---smurfing--- family portrait for his benefit, lol. So cheesy.
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My wife thought the Avengers jumped the shark with the scenes like Thanos' appearance. She compared the look of them to the old He Man movie with Dolph Lundgren. :lol
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By far the worst moment in the film was when Loki awoke from the thrashing Hulk had given him to find that the Avengers, yes, even Hulk, had arranged themselves into a ---smurfing--- family portrait for his benefit, lol. So cheesy.
By far the best moment in the film was when Hulk gave Loki the thrashing! :lol But why wouldn't Hulk come back to Loki with the rest of them?
So I ask again what the whole Captain America thing is about?
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So I ask again what the whole Captain America thing is about?
It starts here -
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=119394.msg1268653#msg1268653 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=119394.msg1268653#msg1268653)
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6 pages later I finally saw it. I’d love to know what the comic nerds had to say, but I don’t have the time or patience to read through it.
Great movie.
I didn’t like Green Arrow, but the other characters were AWSOME.
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So I ask again what the whole Captain America thing is about?
It starts here -
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=119394.msg1268653#msg1268653 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=119394.msg1268653#msg1268653)
Lol, thank you.
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I didn’t like Green Arrow.
That's just wrong. :banghead:
Hawkeye was one of the best Avengers, minus the cool powers the others had.
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So I ask again what the whole Captain America thing is about?
It starts here -
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=119394.msg1268653#msg1268653 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=119394.msg1268653#msg1268653)
Lol, thank you.
Okay, read the hate. Whats the problem with Captain America? Actually it is my favorite of the movies next to The Avengers.
I thought the casting was great, whats the problem with that?
From the people who did Stark to Red Skull to Peggy Carter to the character Tommy Lee Jones did to Dr. Zola to Dr. Erskine, they all did great!!!
Does the hate come from the fact that he is a "patriotic American"? ;) :laugh2: ;)
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Not at all. I think Captain Planet is just as lame. And I assure you, there's no planet I love more than Earth. That's actually not strictly true. The fact that he's a walking advertisement is largely what makes him so retarded. I don't care how patriotic he is! Just like I don't care at all whether a superhero loves Coco-Cola. But a Captain Coco-Cola superhero would be equally idiotic. And a byproduct of his stupid branding is that he wears the dorkiest costume imaginable (something that was hilariously not lost on Tony Stark in the new film).
Also his movie was one of the worst films of 2011.
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At risk of stepping into this again.....what product is Captain America Advertising? Hostess fruit pies? ???
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America
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Also his movie was one of the worst films of 2011.
Well that's up to you, but what do you think was the best of 2011?
And what are your thoughts on the Thor movie? It was my second favorite after Captain America
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Also his movie was one of the worst films of 2011.
A minority opinion -- Captain America was a good movie :) I went expecting a live-action comic book, and that's what I got. Currently trending 79% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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Best of 2011? I'd say Win/Win or Midnight in Paris. Best action film probably X-Men: First Class, though that last Harry Potter probably gives X-Men a run for its money.
Edit . . . forgot to answer about Thor. It was surprisingly not too bad. It wasn't great, but it looked like it was going to be awful and it turned out okay. Actually I think what saved Thor is exactly what Captain America lacked--self-deprecating humor. Neither film hold a candle to the first Iron Man, and even the not-nearly-as-good Iron Man 2 is better than either of them. So is, for that matter, Edward Norton's Hulk.
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At risk of stepping into this again.....what product is Captain America Advertising? Hostess fruit pies? ???
America
Isn't that like saying Batman is advertising Bats?
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I'm surprised no one's crying about Captain America's "There's only one God" comment...
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Isn't that like saying Batman is advertising Bats?
In a semantic argument, yes. But that's a stupid argument.
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Well, I don't quite see how Batman using Bat in his name is any different than Captain America using America in his name. Given that Cap was a US Army experiment who was utilized specifically by the gov't, his name makes far more sense than Batman. Batman pretty much picked it out because he personally wanted to push the bat image on the city. I guess as you would say, batman was deliberately advertising the bat, while the Captain had his name picked out for him.
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Yeah, this guy's name makes perfect sense too, and for the same reasons.
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Yeah, this guy's name makes perfect sense too, and for the same reasons.
It sure does.
Shmokes likes Spider-Man, so we need to veer our arguments for why Captain America isn't the suck that way...
Phoebe: Hey. Why isn't it Spiderman? You know, like Goldman, Silverman...
Chandler: Because, it... it's not his last name.
Phoebe: It isn't?
Chandler: No. It's not like Phil Spiderman. He's a spider *man*. You know, like Goldman is a last name but there's no Gold man.
Phoebe: Oh, oh okay...
Phoebe: There should be a Gold man!
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Yeah, this guy's name makes perfect sense too, and for the same reasons.
The michelin man was created from a generic experiment? Really? That is a backstory that would be baddass!
Claude Frederick was worked as a tire salesman. He worked for Michelin Tire and was the best in the business. After refusing offers to work for the competition, Bridgestone thugs mercilessly killed Claude's family and riddled Claude with bullets, leaving him for dead. While on life support, the science division of Michelin tire manipulated Claude's genes with the the same treatments that were originally designed for the worlds first regenerative tire. Infusing his bones with Ultra radial Steel, and supporting his life with a rubberized exoskeleton, Claude lives on as Michelin Man, hellbent on revenge for the Bridgestone pigs that stole his life away from him.
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Yeah, this guy's name makes perfect sense too, and for the same reasons.
The michelin man was created from a generic experiment? Really? That is a backstory that would be baddass!
Claude Frederick was worked as a tire salesman. He worked for Michelin Tire and was the best in the business. After refusing offers to work for the competition, Bridgestone thugs mercilessly killed Claude's family and riddled Claude with bullets, leaving him for dead. While on life support, the science division of Michelin tire manipulated Claude's genes with the the same treatments that were originally designed for the worlds first regenerative tire. Infusing his bones with Ultra radial Steel, and supporting his life with a rubberized exoskeleton, Claude lives on as Michelin Man, hellbent on revenge for the Bridgestone pigs that stole his life away from him.
His name is M. Bibendum and he is a French cultural icon. He used to rock a pince-nez glasses and a fat cigar.
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so we need to veer our arguments for why Captain America isn't the suck that way...
It's a tough position for you to be in, I know. Because he is the suck . . . ;D
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Read this today, reminded me of our discussion here:
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/marvel-bullpen-assembles-to-help-mom-and-her-hearing-impaired-son/ (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/marvel-bullpen-assembles-to-help-mom-and-her-hearing-impaired-son/)
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I'm surprised no one's crying about Captain America's "There's only one God" comment...
I thought it was the best line of the movie next to Hulk's "puny god"! ;D
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We apparently just have wildly different tastes. I thought that Hulk line sucked and totally detracted from the hilarious moment just before.
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Read this today, reminded me of our discussion here:
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/marvel-bullpen-assembles-to-help-mom-and-her-hearing-impaired-son/ (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/marvel-bullpen-assembles-to-help-mom-and-her-hearing-impaired-son/)
Vigo, as a father with a deaf toddler thank you for posting this. :cheers:
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We apparently just have wildly different tastes. I thought that Hulk line sucked and totally detracted from the hilarious moment just before.
Well the line was true as Hulk could throw him around. But in the movie they aren't "gods" anyway so Hulk was just adding to what Loki called himself.
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Of course it was true. It was just unnecessary. It was like explaining a joke that everybody already got. It always detracts from the joke.
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Oh for gods sake you guys are arguing over the most pointless of points.
Here's maybe a fresh topic of conversation.....and maybe it's been dealt with in the comics and I'm just unaware.....but it did seem like the alien army was rather weak.....for being such an advanced race of beings. Was that Chinturi army...or however it's spelled....in the comics?
AFWIW.....I think Captain America is adequately named/titled....I mean wtf else are you going to call him? Gi Joe?
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AFWIW.....I think Captain America is adequately named/titled....I mean wtf else are you going to call him? Gi Joe?
Something that doesn't suck. And also give him a costume to match. Also maybe make him not act like a doe eyed cub scout, lol. But if you could even manage the first two you'd be well on your way.
Yeah, the army was pretty weak. I mean, there were only, what, six Avengers, three of whom had virtually no means of mobility so they just had to stay and fight in one spot. The Aliens were totally taken down permanently by punches from the presumably strong, but apparently not supernaturally strong Black Widow. So, like, as soon as the Armed Forces showed up, with a few hundred thousand soldiers with guns and tanks and jets with missiles, etc . . . like, the Aliens would have been ---fouled up beyond all recognition---.
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What, no one likes the "old fashioned" attitude that Cap has? Don't you remember Coulson's line, "People might want a little old fashioned"?
Read this (http://www.marcykennedy.com/marcys-blog/do-we-need-to-be-a-little-more-old-fashioned/), it explains that better than I could.
But all to our own, I wont force my ideas on you.
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Yeah, the army was pretty weak. I mean, there were only, what, six Avengers, three of whom had virtually no means of mobility so they just had to stay and fight in one spot. The Aliens were totally taken down permanently by punches from the presumably strong, but apparently not supernaturally strong Black Widow. So, like, as soon as the Armed Forces showed up, with a few hundred thousand soldiers with guns and tanks and jets with missiles, etc . . . like, the Aliens would have been ---fouled up beyond all recognition---.
Yeah, but that's why the never ending wave of them. Its like the droid army in Star Wars, they are easy to kill but they outnumber you, like a lot.
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I dunno about that. Seems like after the first giant flying worm thing was taken down the whole force got called in. Certainly when Stark crossed over it didn't seem like there were too many of them waiting for their turn.
Also, why is every diabolical alien species hive-based?
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But a Captain Coco-Cola superhero would be equally idiotic.
You do realize there is a Pepsiman right? He was in fighting vipers, and the Japanese commercials are hilarious.
Read this today, reminded me of our discussion here:
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/marvel-bullpen-assembles-to-help-mom-and-her-hearing-impaired-son/ (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/marvel-bullpen-assembles-to-help-mom-and-her-hearing-impaired-son/)
Thats really awesome.
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You do realize there is a Pepsiman right?
Well, yes. Of course. Who doesn't know about Pepsiman?
I swear to god, sometimes . . . ::)
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You do realize there is a Pepsiman right?
Well, yes. Of course. Who doesn't know about Pepsiman?
I swear to god, sometimes . . . ::)
I dont get the eye roll ::) Not everyone has heard of him ::) Just thought it was odd you posted a fictional Coca Cola man when there was an actual Pepsi man. ::) ::)
(http://i.imgur.com/79sr3.png)
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Here's maybe a fresh topic of conversation.....and maybe it's been dealt with in the comics and I'm just unaware.....but it did seem like the alien army was rather weak.....for being such an advanced race of beings. Was that Chinturi army...or however it's spelled....in the comics?
The Chitauri are basically Skrulls, except from the Ultimate Marvel universe. When the trailer first appeared everyone figured it would be the Kree or Skrulls. The Chitauri are typically a subversive culture, they fight but often times go for more subversive tactics. In the Ultimate avengers they do wind up fighting and do kick a lot of butt. The Hulk is the main one who stops the Chitauri in Ultimate Avengers.
I wouldn't say they are weak, but I would "expect" the Avengers to defeat them. Working in tandem the Avengers are more powerful then the Chitauri army.
Each avenger, even those not super powered, are stronger/faster than the average man/woman. Could the military have come in and killed lots of Chitauri? Sure. Would they have defeated the Chitauri? No.
Side note, the Asgardians are still "Gods" in the Movie. Thor gives an explanation that humans can understand about science but they are still gods. The thing to remember is that Gods in the marvel universe are just powerful beings. You can't think of the Christian god and Marvels gods in the same sentence. None of Marvels gods created the universe so there's a huge gap in power on that level. The only things in the Marvel universe that can come close to a god like Christianities would be either the Cosmic Entities or someone with the Infinity Gauntlet. In DC there IS an actual God like figure that represents closely what Christians follow. His avatar, the specter, is ridiculously powerful.
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Could the military have come in and killed lots of Chitauri? Sure. Would they have defeated the Chitauri? No.
And as we all know, anything stated matter of factly is, by default, true.
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Could the military have come in and killed lots of Chitauri? Sure. Would they have defeated the Chitauri? No.
And as we all know, anything stated matter of factly is, by default, true.
Fair enough. Was more my opinion having read comics and being familiar with the parties involved and understanding the basic rinse/repeat nature of movies and comics.
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Could the military have come in and killed lots of Chitauri? Sure. Would they have defeated the Chitauri? No.
And as we all know, anything stated matter of factly is, by default, true.
:cry:
It's pointless to argue, we've already lost!!
:embarassed:
so we need to veer our arguments for why Captain America isn't the suck that way...
It's a tough position for you to be in, I know. Because he is the suck . . . ;D
Sorry Cap,
I thought you were cool but I was wrong!
Not Superman cool, but still... ::)
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Fair enough. Was more my opinion having read comics and being familiar with the parties involved and understanding the basic rinse/repeat nature of movies and comics.
And I more-or-less agree with you (or rather, I've never read the comics so I can't really say one way or the other). I think the point, though, wasn't that the Chitauri are weak. I suppose that's a question that can only answered by the source material. The point is that they were portrayed in the film as being not particularly formidable. And there's no way to get around the fact that Black Widow can defeat them with punches. Anybody who can be defeated by a punch from Black Widow, I'm sorry, will also be defeated by a round from an M-16. Don't get me wrong, Black Widow has very useful talents that were displayed multiple times during the film (e.g., both times she used deception as a very effective interrogation technique). But in an actual battle with an army, 200,000 soldiers with machine guns > Black Widow. Obviously.
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And as we all know, anything stated matter of factly is, by default, true.
It's a tough position for you to be in, I know. Because he is the suck . . . ;D
Come now . . . don't pretend you don't recognize a bit of tongue-in-cheek ribbing even when there's a big fat emoticon pointing it out. Anyway, I think I've fairly exhaustively listed my reasons for thinking Captain America is lame. That really wasn't just a matter-of-fact statement lacking any reasoning backing it up my point of view. :cheers:
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Come now . . . don't pretend you don't recognize a bit of tongue-in-cheek ribbing even when there's a big fat emoticon pointing it out.
Dude!
Hence the ::)!
Hence!!! :hissy:
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Sorry . . . I don't think we have the same understanding of the rolly eyes guy. I think I misread the tone of your post.
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But in an actual battle with an army, 200,000 soldiers with machine guns > Black Widow. Obviously.
It's not all that dirty a secret that we don't have 200,000 soldiers sitting on benches waiting for orders to get up and run to a specific place. The whole defense idea there was close the portal or destroy the whole freakin place because they had no idea how many aliens were going to be coming through that portal.
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Sigh, all anyone is saying is that the extra terrestrial army was not portrayed as particularly powerful. And if they plan to take over the whole world, they're gonna need to face armies a helluva lot bigger than 200k strong.
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That was only the part of their army that could get through the portal in fifteen minutes. If we suspend disbelief the idea is that they're going to keep coming and keep coming and keep coming.
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Maybe. Though, we actually got to see the other side of the portal, and it wasn't exactly teeming with bad guys.
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Maybe. Though, we actually got to see the other side of the portal, and it wasn't exactly teeming with bad guys.
The mother ship was still letting those "worm" things out, who knows how many more of them were still coming....
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Side note, the Asgardians are still "Gods" in the Movie. Thor gives an explanation that humans can understand about science but they are still gods. The thing to remember is that Gods in the marvel universe are just powerful beings. You can't think of the Christian god and Marvels gods in the same sentence. None of Marvels gods created the universe so there's a huge gap in power on that level. The only things in the Marvel universe that can come close to a god like Christianities would be either the Cosmic Entities or someone with the Infinity Gauntlet. In DC there IS an actual God like figure that represents closely what Christians follow. His avatar, the specter, is ridiculously powerful.
When does Thor explain that?
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I remember running through the Skrulls in Marvel Ultimate Alliance by myself. I think its ok to have Black Widow out there kickin some ass, its not like was Dazzler or Jubilee
My comic book knowledge is pretty much all from the games, cartoons, and movies; I was never much into the comic books themselves. Well the only exception to that was I did actually owned a few Punisher comics, but he wasnt flying around throwing shields or shooting laser beams, he was just a ---tallywhacker--- killing bad guy ---punks---, and I respect that.
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I enjoyed the movie, but I must say I'm getting tired of every comic book adaption ending in a Battle Royale. Wouldn't it be nice if there were an imaginative ending?
Movie had some great comic (as in funny) moments. And I always get a kick out of spotting Stan Lee in the Marvel movies (",)
3.5/5 from me.
my score for recent movies you may have seen:
5/5 - The Way Back, The Kings Speech, Michael Clayton, In Bruges, Gran Torino, Mary and Max
4.5/5 - Taken, Iron Man, Reign Over Me, Watchmen, The girl with the dragon tattoo
4/5 - True Grit, Traitor, Bedtime Stories, Sunshine, pineapple express
3.5/5 - 300, Max Payne, You dont mess with the Zohan, Yes Man
3/5 - That new Indiana Jones flick, Disturbia, That new TMNT flick,
2.5/5 - Angels and Demons
2/5 - The Love Guru. Note: My 2 is probably someone elses 1. Just leaving room for worse!
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It's not all that dirty a secret that we don't have 200,000 soldiers sitting on benches waiting for orders to get up and run to a specific place.
That's what you think. I've been in this hangar for hours and they don't even have cushions on the folding chairs. Those aliens had better hurry the ---fudgesicle--- up because ---my bottom--- is getting numb.
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I thought Nick Fury was white?
In the Ultimates universe (which is a series of books based on an alternate universe than standard Marvel universe) Nick Fury is black and looks just like Sam Jackson. For whatever reason, all of the movies keep mixing both regular Marvel and Ultimates. Like the directors never read a comic and grabbed a bunch at random and read them, then drew their story and origins based off of what they read. I personally am not a fan of the Ultimates, but I had no problem with them using Ultimate Nick Fury.
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Well, I broke my vow after Fandango did some $6 tickets promotion and I could use them at an Alamo Drafthouse.
I think every single joke in this movie came down to AWKWARD!!!! Meh.
What the hell was her super power? Randomly firing tiny handguns? Those things wouldn't drop a teenage thug prowling a gated neighborhood, much less penetrate alien armor or whatever.
I thought Nick Fury was white?
Loved how the characters had magic telepathy that enabled them to talk to each other over vast distances with tons of noise.
Anyway, it was dumb and loud. I enjoyed it. Probably what this bitter ------- needed. My wife liked it a lot, but she liked Spider-Man 3 so she's suspect.
#1 Please explain?
#2 High tech handguns and high tech bullets. Also the electric shock "widow bite" bracelets.
#3 Ultimates Nick Fury is based on Samuel L. Jackson. The older comics version was white.
#4 Its called communication earpieces......
It was dumb and loud? Can I take a vote? All the people who got it to over $1 billion raise your hand if you though it was dumb and loud. :lol
EDIT: $6 for a ticket? That's nothing, Imax is almost $13 a ticket!! :cheers:
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Just the standard sized 3D ticket here was $14.50. My 2D matinee ticket was $9.
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Side note, the Asgardians are still "Gods" in the Movie. Thor gives an explanation that humans can understand about science but they are still gods. The thing to remember is that Gods in the marvel universe are just powerful beings. You can't think of the Christian god and Marvels gods in the same sentence. None of Marvels gods created the universe so there's a huge gap in power on that level. The only things in the Marvel universe that can come close to a god like Christianities would be either the Cosmic Entities or someone with the Infinity Gauntlet. In DC there IS an actual God like figure that represents closely what Christians follow. His avatar, the specter, is ridiculously powerful.
When does Thor explain that?
It's basic comic knowledge but if you're ONLY looking at the movies, it's inferred from Thor's movie with entitlement and classes.
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Just the standard sized 3D ticket here was $14.50. My 2D matinee ticket was $9.
Well here in Canada we have half priced Tuesdays, but the Imax in not part of it. So it must be just cheaper here.
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It's basic comic knowledge but if you're ONLY looking at the movies, it's inferred from Thor's movie with entitlement and classes.
Well the movies are their own universe, like the classic, ultimates or any of the other comic universes.
So I think they should be looked at as their own.
In Thor, Darcy says how vikings worshiped them as deities, Odin said mankind believed certain worlds were home to their gods and when Dr. Selvig was drunk he said Thor ought to be the god of thunder.
They basically say how people thought them to be gods, but they are more or less just super advanced powerful aliens.
In The Avengers Loki told Hulk he was a god, Hulk proved him wrong, Loki called himself a god a few times, when Thor was thrown from the helicarrier Nick Fury said they lost god, Tony Stark called Thor a demigod and when Thor took the Tesseract the counsel told Fury it wasn't his call and he told them he didn't argue with the god that made the call.
Maybe a few other spots in The Avengers it was used but not in Thor, got them all there.
No one question me on that, I have seen Thor enough times I could write the script and screenplay here. :laugh2:
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Found this as I was reading reviews for The Grey.
http://www.movieguide.org/reviews/movie/marvel-s-the-avengers.html (http://www.movieguide.org/reviews/movie/marvel-s-the-avengers.html)
Figured this thread could use a good shot of PnR. :duckhunt
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Found this as I was reading reviews for The Grey.
http://www.movieguide.org/reviews/movie/marvel-s-the-avengers.html (http://www.movieguide.org/reviews/movie/marvel-s-the-avengers.html)
Figured this thread could use a good shot of PnR. :duckhunt
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Found this as I was reading reviews for The Grey.
http://www.movieguide.org/reviews/movie/marvel-s-the-avengers.html (http://www.movieguide.org/reviews/movie/marvel-s-the-avengers.html)
Figured this thread could use a good shot of PnR. :duckhunt
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Stop hitting me, you're upping my violence rating!
You think that was good go to the same site and read the reviews for 300 or my new favorite film review evaarr, Antichrist. Man, that's a doozy.
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Found this as I was reading reviews for The Grey.
http://www.movieguide.org/reviews/movie/marvel-s-the-avengers.html (http://www.movieguide.org/reviews/movie/marvel-s-the-avengers.html)
Figured this thread could use a good shot of PnR. :duckhunt
;D That was awesome. I only read the enormous "Content" run-on sentence, but that in and of itself was probably the best movie review ever written. The film was, unquestionably, redemptive.
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It's basic comic knowledge but if you're ONLY looking at the movies, it's inferred from Thor's movie with entitlement and classes.
Well the movies are their own universe, like the classic, ultimates or any of the other comic universes.
So I think they should be looked at as their own.
In Thor, Darcy says how vikings worshiped them as deities, Odin said mankind believed certain worlds were home to their gods and when Dr. Selvig was drunk he said Thor ought to be the god of thunder.
They basically say how people thought them to be gods, but they are more or less just super advanced powerful aliens.
In The Avengers Loki told Hulk he was a god, Hulk proved him wrong, Loki called himself a god a few times, when Thor was thrown from the helicarrier Nick Fury said they lost god, Tony Stark called Thor a demigod and when Thor took the Tesseract the counsel told Fury it wasn't his call and he told them he didn't argue with the god that made the call.
Maybe a few other spots in The Avengers it was used but not in Thor, got them all there.
No one question me on that, I have seen Thor enough times I could write the script and screenplay here. :laugh2:
You're basically saying what I said. They are Gods because of how people worshiped them. I think they explained themselves differently so the humans in the story could better understand it but it doesn't make them any less of a god for it. Does a God see themself as a god? Perhaps once they find people worshiping them which the Asgardians had. Additionally, hulk whooping down on Loki is more relegated to the Hulk being just about the most powerful being on earth aside from the Sentry. The only person besides the Sentry that can go toe to toe with the Hulk is Thor, and even then when it's an all out brawl common knowledge is the Hulk comes out on top. Unless we're talking Odin Force before resurrecting Asgard, or Planet Hulk/World War Hulk, etc.
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Scarlett's terrible and has a gigantic ass even under 3 layers of spanx and I'm sure starving herself for 6 months prior. What the hell was her super power?
You said this line as though you were complaining.
Can someone clarify what the hell he is talking about? Are you leaning more to the hulks shirtless muscles????
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Seems like they could embed captions in the video and then have it only display if you were wearing special glasses.
Those Google Project Glass augmented reality glasses! What a great idea. I ought to patent it. You don't need anything special embedded into the video. Just download the official subs to your augmented reality glasses and it'll overlay the appropriate text over the video.
Looks like someone is working on a variation on this idea. Pretty cool.
http://hackaday.com/2012/07/23/real-life-subtitle-glasses/ (http://hackaday.com/2012/07/23/real-life-subtitle-glasses/)
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So I saw this last night. god I love having a 50" screen at home. I didn't care for going to the theatre anyways. Now I may never ever.
Yeah, there was lots that just happened. Like, as the rainbow bridge is gone, how did Thor get there? I'm not raising a discussion on that, I'm just referencing it.
So, for some strange reason, I was excited to see this movie. Despite some technical issues and all. If I were 12, and it was Saturday night, and I had a killer home theater an all, I'd be stoked. That's the mind set I was in. And I'd overlook the goofinesses, as I often did at that age watching things like Mighty Orbots, because the rest was cool enough to get immersed in. I totally would've loved for there to be movies of this graphic quality an all back then. I DID want them, and I spent a lot of time imagining them in their stead.
Would it be WAY cooler if they made movies out of things like The Forge of God, and The Reality Dysfunction or The Commonwealth Saga, let alone Hyperion? Indeed.
But in the mean time.....