PS3 Hacked?

[shmokes]

The guy who jailbroke the iPod claims to have managed it.  No proof yet, but this is someone with a little bit of credibility on the subject.

http://gizmodo.com/5455326/father-of-jailbreak-claims-to-have-hacked-playstation-3

[Dartful Dodger]

Reading some of the comments makes me think Sony programmers should spend less time posting on Gizmodo.com and more time making games.

[Malenko]

why all this talk of piracy? I dont think ppl are going to mod their PS3s to download 4 games are they?

[DJ_Izumi]

why all this talk of piracy? I dont think ppl are going to mod their PS3s to download 4 games are they?

That joke kinda stopped working after the PS3 sold some 7 million units in December alone and all the developers started paying attention to it.

[shmokes]

Or, like, after they developed a pretty good library of decent games well before that.

[Malenko]

wasnt a joke. I have a PS3 and the only games I have/want are Uncharted 1/2, Ratchet and Clank 1/2 and when they come out  Gran Turismo 5 and God Of War 3. Everything else is available on the other system. FOR ME, its not worth "hackin" my PS3 for 4 games.

EDIT:I have games I dont want, including Little Big Planet, Resistance 2 and The Club, my PS3 is a great Blu Ray player and I'm sincere when I say that.

EDIT 2: I went to a few websites and all the top rated PS3 games are multiplatform except the ones I mentioned and Metal Gear Solid 4, I cant say Im that interested in MGS4, so why dont you guys list some games I cant get on my 360 and change my mind? The God Of War Collection also doesnt count and I already have them on my PS2

[HaRuMaN]

Homebrew time!  MAME on PS3? 

[shmokes]

. . . so why dont you guys list some games I cant get on my 360 and change my mind?

This may come as a bit of a surprise to you, Malenko, but the world is not made up exclusively of videogame fanatics. The vast majority of PS3 owners do not also have a 360 and vice versa.  Non-exclusive games are not just irrelevant to a console's library.  On the contrary, they are an extraodinarily important part of the library (compare the Wii's library which lacks serious ports of Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia, Splinter Cell, etc.). 

With that said, here are a few exclusives you missed:

Demon's Souls
Infamous
Wipeout
Flower (what?  seriously.  it's totally a game )
Devil May Cry

Heavy Rain (not quite released, maybe won't be as good as it looks)

Add that to Metal Gear, God of War, Gran Turismo, Ratchet and Clank, Killzone, Resistance, Littlebigplanet and you have a pretty decent list of exclusive games.  Maybe the 360's is better (I honestly am not keeping track), but certainly the same general statement can be said of that system: the majority of top rated 360 games are multiplatform.  The 360 has a better online component and is prone to failure.  The PS3 is a rather good bluray player.  Shrug.  I just don't see how either system categorically sucks.

BTW, I never owned a PS2 so for me the God of War collection counts (particularly since backward compatibility was stripped) and I have my fingers crossed for a similar ICO/Shadow of the Collossus collection.  Those games are by far the biggest disappointment of having only an Xbox and Gamecube in the previous generation.

[Malenko]

I am not a video game fanatic, I play, however not as often as I used to.  According to IGN and gamefaqs the vast majority of gamers have more then 1 system. So I think system exclusive titles are the only thing separating the systems.

So 5 games.....
Demon's Souls, looks cool I might check that out
Infamous.....looks too Prototypey for me. Ive heard the karma thing in the game is neat, but meh its not pullin me in.
Wipeout....they released another? is it the same as the rest but prettier? tap a wall and stop? had on SAT,PSX, and PSP
Flower... looks pretty and boring.
Devil May Cry, I have this on my XBOX360 or is there another one out?

So 4 more games. so in total 7 PS3 exclusives that are great?  Now I'm not clowning the system, it has great potential but I did get mine for primarily for a blu ray player and I do like the fact it plays my PS1 discs and that I can DL PS1 and PS2 (and I think PSP) games onto the system. Metal Gear is kind of a cult following (that Im not part of) Gran Turismo 5 isnt out (just prologue) neither is God Of War 3 or Heavy Rain. I will prolly get God Of War 3 when it comes out but Im gonna hold off on GT5, 3,4, and 5 prologue are all super let downs and Forza 3 is down right amazing.

Now even the Wii has exclusive titles that are fun. Did I mention I also have a wii? Muramasa is the prettiest game Ive ever played, Super Smash Bros Brawl (excep the sub space emmissary part), Punch Out, Super Paper Mario, New Super Mario Bros Wii, Mario Kart both House of the Deads,etc Also the Wii is sooooo mcuh better with the classic controller.

I guess as apirate Im sayin that its not worth buying a Blu Ray burner, blank Blu Rays, and moddin my PS3 to play 7 titles

[Dartful Dodger]

I only have a handful of games, not because PS3 games aren't good, but because I don't have the time energy or want to play a 100 hour game that requires me to learn button combinations and maps.

I bought a Wii for the Wii Fit Plus, because I was feeling athletic and I wanted to track my p90x progress.  It came with the Wii Sports.  I might, if I can find it really cheap buy a DDR game for the Wii, but I haven't "had" to buy a game since GTA.  I bought GH4 thinking it would reignite my RB urges, but it didn't.

I still use the strength exercises on the Wii Fit every weekend, and if it wasn't for streaming movies on the PS3 I'd never turn it on.

It's not the systems fault, I'm just old and have different priorities.

[Malenko]

It's not the systems fault, I'm just old and have different priorities.

I totally agree for the most part, the thing I was gettin at is if Im gonna sit down and play a game, I want it to be a good one. I played enough crappy nintendo games when I was a kid

[Ginsu Victim]

The only game that made me almost buy a PS3 is The Last Guardian, but I decided against buying it for just one game and got a Wii instead.

[Ginsu Victim]

Got the Wii because I needed something my wife and I could both play. The other systems don't put out enough games that we could play together.

[massive88]

With that said, here are a few exclusives you missed:

Devil May Cry

Perhaps missing out on the full DMC4 PS3 experience is a good thing.

Also, Uncharted 2 should be at the top of all exclusivity lists as far as I know.

Got the Wii because I needed something my wife and I could both play. The other systems don't put out enough games that we could play together.

The Wii still makes games?

[ark_ader]

Does this mean that some time in the future you will be able to utilize the entire PS3 core in Linux?

[shmokes]

Yeah . . . Malenko had already mentioned Uncharted, but I just realized I left it off my complete list.  Of course it should be there (that applies to 1 & 2). 

I do not personally know a single person who owns both a 360 and a PS3.  Not one.  I know they are out there, and there are some on this board (though this board disproportionately attracts hardcore gaming enthusiasts).  But I don't know a single one personally.  Over half the people I know who own a 360 or a PS3 (including myself) also own a Wii (though most of them never turn the Wii on).  So if the metrics you quoted are referring only to current-gen systems, they are probably HEAVILY skewed by people who own the Wii as a secondary system.  You said yourself that almost all the good games are multi-platform.  There's just not much incentive to buy the PS3 if you already have a 360 and vice-versa.  The same obviously doesn't apply to the Wii because of the fundamentally different control-scheme.  If your metrics include systems from previous systems, e.g., owners of a PS3 and a Gamecube, they are irrelevant to this discussion.

[Nipedley]

You're right, I am one of those who own both consoles but I don't know anybody else who has both either. Most of my friends are either die hard xbox or ps3 fans. Personally I have roughly half my games library on both depending on how I'm feeling the day I buy it, slightly skewed towards PS3 as I enjoy the media experience you get with it more than you do with the 360.

As far as exclusives go, PS3 did have the lead for me with Littlebigplanet, MGS4, Killzone 2, Haze (hey I enjoyed it..), Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted but I have to say Mass Effect 2 is as killer an app as you will find, I also enjoyed Ace Combat, Banjo Kazooie, Crackdown, Fable 2, Gears of war... so yeah.. it's a tough call.

I don't think PS3 hacking will ever go that far.. homebrew is slightly pointless for me as it's easier just to boot up a computer, unlike homebrew on the PSP which has the on-the-go novelty. As for the pirates it's got to be cheaper to pirate the 360 so I can't see that many people would bother.

[rlehm]

I own all three, Wii, Xbox360, and the PS3. I use the PS3 the most because I love Bioshock (which is also on the 360) and the God of War series. The Xbox360 is great for violent games and sports IMO and the games are marketed to young angry American teens. I think the Wii has some fun games indeed, but of all 3 systems it has the longest list of pure s.h.i.t. The asian market has more of the young kid grows up trying to save the world or become a good person genre which I like better than beating in a cops head and getting headshots while yelling 'That's right BEootcH" over a mic in xbox live like all the 10 year olds...

[hypernova]

Hehehe.  It only took 2 replies to start the devolution process into a console war.

[DJ_Izumi]

While the hack claims to be released here: http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/01/heres-your-silver-platter.html

These guys state that the hack is unlikely to be practical and could be nothing at all: http://streetskaterfu.blogspot.com/2010/01/ps3-is-hacked-urban-legend-continues.html

I guess the only way we'll know what's happened is if someone manages to turn this hack into something practical in the next month or so.

[Malenko]

Yeah . . . Malenko had already mentioned Uncharted, but I just realized I left it off my complete list.  Of course it should be there (that applies to 1 & 2). 

I do not personally know a single person who owns both a 360 and a PS3.  Not one.  I know they are out there, and there are some on this board (though this board disproportionately attracts hardcore gaming enthusiasts).  But I don't know a single one personally.  Over half the people I know who own a 360 or a PS3 (including myself) also own a Wii (though most of them never turn the Wii on).  So if the metrics you quoted are referring only to current-gen systems, they are probably HEAVILY skewed by people who own the Wii as a secondary system.  You said yourself that almost all the good games are multi-platform.  There's just not much incentive to buy the PS3 if you already have a 360 and vice-versa.  The same obviously doesn't apply to the Wii because of the fundamentally different control-scheme.  If your metrics include systems from previous systems, e.g., owners of a PS3 and a Gamecube, they are irrelevant to this discussion.

well of course I meant current gen systems. tons of "gamers" have both or all 3 the others do gravitate towards a PS3/360 and a Wii; why? I dont know. I got the Wii for my GF cause she wanted to try Wii Fit (that lasted about 3 days) and she thought the star from mario galaxy was cute, I ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- you not, we bought Mario Galaxy cause of the "cute star"  I can openly admit I am biased towards the 360, theres just more games I'M INTERESTED IN on it and a few of the multi console games are better on the 360 IN MY OPINION, even already borderline crappy games like Need For Speed Undercover, its almost unplayable on PS3 with the frame skips (I took my copyback, they replaced it, replacement copy did same thing, they let me exchange for 360 version) and I thought the controls were more responsive on "the club" on 360 (I ended up giving away my copy for PS3 , in fairness the game only cost $15 used)

I digress, I didnt want this to be a console war, but even if there were 20 games on the PS3 that worth worth "getting" I wouldnt think it'd be worth it to get the aforementioned blu Ray burner, blu ray discs, and download 5-25GB images online. Blank Blu Rays are like $15 a pop last I checked.


Also, Rlehm, dont try to bypass the auto sensor, just type ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and those with sensor on see meadow muffin and those with it off see the real word.

[rlehm]

... nvm

[DJ_Izumi]

Malenko, one thing... Why the Blu-Ray burner?  As it is, PS3 Test units can boot PS3 games off of any media, BDR, DVDR, CDR, MemoryCard, Hard Drive, or any USB storage.  If anyone does hack the PS3, they're gonna go that route and start cramming Test unit firmware onto retail units.

[Malenko]

Malenko, one thing... Why the Blu-Ray burner?  As it is, PS3 Test units can boot PS3 games off of any media, BDR, DVDR, CDR, MemoryCard, Hard Drive, or any USB storage.  If anyone does hack the PS3, they're gonna go that route and start cramming Test unit firmware onto retail units.

I didnt know the test units booted anything,I can admit I dont keep up much on the PS3 "scene". I'm pretty sure no PS3 game would fit on a CDR, most PS3s dont have the card readers; so with all that being said the only ones that would make sense to use is BDR or USB. I mean the 500GB external drive is what I use for the Wii so if there was a way to make that work on the PS3 it'd be cool but still Im not sure it'd be worth the trouble just yet.

[shmokes]

The PS3 has an internal hard drive bay too. 

[HaRuMaN]

The PS3 has an internal hard drive bay too. 

Yup, and you can swap larger laptop hard drives in easily.

[DJ_Izumi]

either way, if they hack the PS3, loading off USB or the HDD is gonna be the main target.  It's already what they're doing with JTAG exploited 360's afterall.

Even without piracy, I think downloaded hard drive installed console games are the future.  A slow approaching future, but still the future.

[Cakemeister]

Yeah . . . Malenko had already mentioned Uncharted, but I just realized I left it off my complete list.  Of course it should be there (that applies to 1 & 2). 

I do not personally know a single person who owns both a 360 and a PS3.  Not one. 

....raises hand....

[shmokes]

I know they are out there, and there are some on this board . . . . But I don't know a single one personally. 

[DJ_Izumi]

So has anything come of this yet?

[shmokes]

Apparently nothing yet.  But the guy released the exploit and it seems legit.  I imagine it will take a while to bear fruit, if it ever does.  Here's a link that gives a very simplistic description of how it works:  http://wiki.ps2dev.org/ps3:exploits

[Malenko]

I just cant get behind a hacker that types PWNED 

[shmokes]

Yeah.  He's the one who first busted into the iPhone, though.

Anyway, here's a really good techie article on his exploit:  http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3hacked-article

[DJ_Izumi]

Apparently nothing yet.  But the guy released the exploit and it seems legit.  I imagine it will take a while to bear fruit, if it ever does.  Here's a link that gives a very simplistic description of how it works:  http://wiki.ps2dev.org/ps3:exploits

I read some more stuff on it, it appearntly works via OtherOS, meaning you need linux on the machine, meaning, you need a Fat PS3.  The slims can't POSSIBLY do this.

However I've never read anyone getting any practical use out of this yet.

It's starting to look less of a 'hack' than people thought it'd be.  Especially with the Slim PS3's likely to become the dominant model type since they actually sell well.

[shmokes]

I think the hope would be to use this to develop a software exploit, which would presumably work on both the slim and fat models.

As far as anyone getting any practical use out of it . . . it has only been available for like two weeks.  I think it's a bit premature to write it off just yet.

[Hoagie_one]

I just ant to play PS2 games on my PS3 like we were originally promised.  I'd hack it for that.  Unless Sony starts selling PS2 games on PSN, then all would be good.

[Blanka]

Got the Wii because I needed something my wife and I could both play.

I can't play a Wii. I hate the wiimote. When they had made a normal button to have Mario do a spin-jump in Galaxy, I might have liked the game, but now it sucks beyond suckyness. I'm also very good in 10 all-the-same-9-pin hits in a row with wii bowling. That should be impossible.
Katamari on the PS3: me like.

[shmokes]

I just ant to play PS2 games on my PS3 like we were originally promised.  I'd hack it for that.  Unless Sony starts selling PS2 games on PSN, then all would be good.

A hack will not make this possible.  The original PS3 models that had BC had PS2 hardware built-in.  The only way hacking the PS3 would open up PS2 backward compatibility is if someone develops an emulator for it.  That's seriously not going to happen unless that someone is Sony.

[DJ_Izumi]

A hack will not make this possible.  The original PS3 models that had BC had PS2 hardware built-in.  The only way hacking the PS3 would open up PS2 backward compatibility is if someone develops an emulator for it.  That's seriously not going to happen unless that someone is Sony.

If someone were able to build a working, viable PS2 pure software emulator that'd run on the PS3, I honestly doubt you'd see it on 'the scene'.  Cause Sony would pay good bucks for that code.  At least if it was in demand.  If Sony is sitting on their OWN emulator then such a homebrew emulator will be useless because they'll just hack Sony's emulator and Sony's own emulator is sure to be superior or more efficent than anything homebrewed.

[HaRuMaN]

Man I'm glad I have the 60 gig.  If I didn't have PS2 and PSX BC I'de be pissed...