Tempest ROM with 2 mouse inputs?

[taylormadelv]

Is there a Tempest ROM that allows seperate dial and button controls for the 2nd player in cocktail mode? I've never seen the Clay Muti-Tempest kit/rom but all the vesions I've seen allow cocktail flipping but there's only dial and pushbutton controls for 1 player. I could reverse the connections of the player 2 spinner and double up the buttons but I'd really prefer not to.
Can anyone here "tweak" a Temepst rom to allow all the player 2 controls somehow?
Thanks!

[SavannahLion]

The cocktail schematic definitely shows two connections for both.

It seems there are three (four?) distinct ROM versions listed at MAMEDB but I can't tell what's what. I assume V2 is when the cocktail hit the market and V3 (or v2.5) is probably when they changed the ROMS they used.

Seems to me it's probably more an issue with MAME than it is with the ROMS themselves. I'd love to look into it since I love Tempest is in my top 10 favs, but my all my computers (those with MAME) got pounded to a pulp today. One of those late night unnecessary ---smurf-poop--- sessions.  :



If I'm not dead or in jail tomorrow, I'll look at MAME and see if there's a configuration option for that. Even under Windows, I can't see any reason not to support two spinners. Just put 'em on two different axis. IIRC reading Windows supporting two mice now? Or was that just W7? I dunno, I don't care much for Windows.

[taylormadelv]

Thanks for the reply! In reality, all I need is two DIAL inputs, it isn't neccessary two have two MOUSE inputs. I know that mame shows 1 "dial" input and only 2 "button" inputs total for the Tempest Roms I use in mame (I use V3 & tubes mostly). I can't find the "Multi-Tempest" in rom form, so I don't know if that's different.
I know there's almost nobody that's has done what I'm trying to do, which is to "faithfully" recreate a Temepst cocktail. I finally got PONG (Misfitmame!)to work on my centipede cocktail and I use a Mike's trackball adaptor connected to two Tempest spinners, one on X axis and the other on Y axis, so I still have only 1 "mouse" connected but two seperate inputs.
Going into the "general controls" will not help either, the Tempest Rom still has only 1 dial and 2 button inputs. It's strange how cocktail flipping works great but the controls were never "added" for the second player.
Can some genius rom programmer dude here "add" these inputs to a Tempest rom for me (and everyone else)?

[u_rebelscum]

Are you saying the when cocktail dipswitch in mame is enabled, mame flips the screen but doesn't swap the controls?  What version of mame are you using?

Hmm... mame source (0.135u3) is setup for two dials, and is designed to switch dial and button inputs.  However, in the source, it also says:

"Tempest Uprights Prior to Serial #17426

  If the score on your Tempest(tm) is greater then 170,000, there
is a 12% chance that a program bug may award 40 credits for one
quarter.

  The ROM (#136002-217) in this package, replaces the ROM in
location J-1 on the main PCB and will correct the problem.

  All cabaret and cocktail cabinets will have the correct ROM
Installed."

in a note from Atari, and

"   /* The next one is reponsible for cocktail mode.
     * According to the documentation, this is not a switch, although
     * it may have been planned to put it on the Math Box PCB, D/E2 )
     */"

in mame's commenting.

The first implies the uprights used a different ROM set than the cocktails and cabarets, unless V1 SavannahLion mentioned was matches below serial number #17426.  The second hints that instead of a dipswitch, the switch was permanently (soldered?) open or closed for upright vs cocktail, so there was no different ROM sets between the two.


All that to say: I think mame and the ROM is able to do two dails; but you need to set it up right for them to do it.

[taylormadelv]

The versions of Mame I've been using are "from the dark ages"... The newer versions (after .112 I think) fix these problems, IF you can find a Tempest Rom that will work!
Thanks for the help!