Name that cab! (Joust->mk2) *warning lots of pictures*

[Beretta]

ok so i bought my first cabinet last week.. a tekken 2 in a converted konami 4 player.
i've been trying to work out some details on the project, minding my own business when
suddenly i stumble apon someone selling a mk2 for 25 bucks.

it's not a dedicated midway cab.. it's a conversion.. cabinet looks pretty good except the back door.

the seller told me they can't get the monitor to power up.. but that it has sound.
thats not all, from the pictures it looks like the coin door has been stripped down.. the coin mech and holders are gone, lots of wires running to it i suspect they modified it for coin drops when hitting the eject button, i dont know if they have the coin doors holder/mech's but for 25 bucks i dont see how i can go wrong.

oddly it has a mk3 marquee but the seller says it's mk2 so this cabinets been around i'd say.

notice the total lack of a start button.. this should be interesting.

im suppose to meet the seller wed's for pickup
im buying this with the assumption that the monitor is a total loss.. in which case i might put a tv in, i dont wanna cut to deeply into my budget for the konami i bought last week.. i figure i'd convert this first as a simpler faster conversion to cut my teeth (practice), so budget for conversion is extremely thin.. i can get TV's for free pretty easily, i already have a lot of 2ghz'ish systems laying around that will play almost everything i like.. instead of ipac i'll be using 2 hacked usb pads.

i suspect it's a 19 inch monitor in the cab.. i did some measuring of the picture and it's not exact but if i did the math correctly the screen is aprox 18inch diagonal, anyway it looks like a 25 MIGHT just fit in the cab.

for 25bucks i dont see how i can go wrong here.

anyway my question is

1. what cab is this?, i suspect it's a williams mid-late 80's cab.. looks like a robotron but the robotron's front sits deeper.. it also re symbols a smash tv, it's a familiar design but i can't pin point it.

2. anyone know OR better yet have pictures how to open/remove the CP and monitor glass?

3. if no then is it safe to transport with monitor glass in place with cabinet on it's back?

4. what type of coin door is this exactly? it looks like a coin control door comparing to other examples i've seen, will any old mech holders fit it?



notice the wiring on the coin door, coin mech and holders are gone

[Beretta]

hmm somewhat confused, on KLOV "joust" looks exactly like the cabinet im gonna go pick up.

except arcade-history.com has a picture of a joust cabinet that also looks like original dedicated but the CP sits lower, creating a higher lip on the side panels, and also the front of the side panels are straight, the one on KLOV has the inward curve in the front where the kick panel is.

so im kinda confused as to which one is the real dedicated joust cabinet, or maybe they both are and there was 2 versions of the cab?

KLOV: http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8243
Aracde History: http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=joust&page=detail&id=1228

[CheffoJeffo]

The cab on arcade-history.com looks like a Robotron (the common version, since Robo uprights did come in two flavours).

[Beretta]

i see, so then this cabinet is either a joust, or a common version robotron?
either way they're one in the same i would assume, just nice to know exactly what it started out as.

anyway can anyone tell me how to open the control panel, or get the monitor glass out?
or better yet have pictures of how to do so?

if not is it safe to transport on it's back with the glass in? i'd hate for a big bump break the glass, that would be a nasty expense to replace.

does anyone know what monitor these shipped with? i suspect a 19inch, but what brand? the pictures the seller sent me showed a RCA tube if that is any clue.

last but not least, can anyone tell me who made the coin door? i suspect coin control from other examples i've seen.. and will any old mech holders fit it? the coin door (picture 3) looks like it's been gutten on it's inside, i doubt the seller has the mech holder or mechs for it so i'll probably have to replace those but i dont wanna just buy a door off ebay with the assumption that i can take the holders & coin mechs off and put them on this..

if i can't restore the coin door i'll be forced to go without or replace the kick panel and put in a much easier to find (and preferred) over/under

[Kevin Mullins]

i see, so then this cabinet is either a joust, or a common version robotron?
either way they're one in the same i would assume, just nice to know exactly what it started out as.

Joust

[Beretta]

hmm, also it seems like moon patrol had the same cabinet,  http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8747

is it possible it's a moon patrol cab? or is that moon patrol on KLOV a conversion?
looks like an original judging from it's side art.

[FrizzleFried]

Moon Patrols have the same profile but are about 2" thinner...

[Kevin Mullins]

Moon Patrols have the same profile but are about 2" thinner...

Now that I did not know...... don't see too many Moon Patrols anymore, so I guess that is a possibility.
Wonder if either of the manuals give any basic cabinet dimensions to go by. (?)

[CheffoJeffo]

I forgot who deserves credit for this (someone on KLOV), but I find it handy.

[Beretta]

thanks for the help guys, that profile lineup is pretty handy.

interesting that moon patrol would be 2 inches thinner.

http://www.arcaderestoration.com/index.asp?OPT=3&DATA=2542&CBT=66

agree's, says moon patrol is 24inch, joust 26

my guesstimates by measuring the picture came up with 25.5inch wide.

i got this by going off of messuing the buttons, which if im not mistake are about 1.3inch (real life) to get the scale.

so assuming my measurements are closer to being right then wrong it should be 26inchs making it a joust cabinet for sure.

now that we know it's a joust, i did some checking and found that it most likely has a WG 4900 19inch in it, i also found that it can be fitted with a 25inch by rebuilding the shelf..have to wait and see what kind of condition the current monitor is in rather or not i'll be trying that, or sticking with a 19inch.


however i still am not sure what kinda coin door was on these, it looks like coin control from other examples i've seen can anyone confirm? im gonna probably have to replace the coin mech's and holders.

are those standardized?, if so is it cost effective to buy just the holders and mech's or is it cheaper ot grab a 20-30 dollar coin door off of ebay and replace the kick panel to put in a new coin door?

btw i found a nice page of a joust being restored, http://www.quarterarcade.com/Content/Articles/JoustRestoration.aspx

so i guess the CP flips out on a piano hinge after being unlatched and the glass comes out.

[Beretta]

just a quick post, i picked this cab up tonight..

it is a joust no question we measured it i told the guy it was either a moon patrol or a joust cabinet depending on size we measured and it was 26.

got back really late so did'nt take any pictures i need to look it over real good,
the inside looks like a mess the power button accessed though the coin vault, you can see the hole where it was originally on top dont know why it was moved.. there is also a lot of wires in the coin door area dunno what they are just yet..

im hopful the monitor is just a wiring problem or something simple.. if thats not the case it's probably something really bad then, when powered up the monitor shows no signs of life visible from the front, but worse case scenario i end up going with a tv (since i can get them for free fairly easy), so far it's mixed news.

good:

1. guy had a MKII manual.. it's rough but there, game DOES power up and has working sound, it is for sure a mk2 even though it's marquee is mk3

2. joy sticks and buttons look like they're in good shape.. can probably reuse these rather then buying all new for a new CP.. not much money but it helps.

3. sides look good from scratch/chip point of view, monitor glass is plexi, looked tinted as well.. and appears to be in good shape.. no scratches i'd say it's fairly new.

4. the guy had a new ps put in in 05, he said it broke down about 4 years ago so my understanding is it broke, he replaced the ps, then monitor went down and he has'nt done anything else with it.

the bad:

1. t-molding is starting to come up in places, needs replaced. (was planing on anyway, thinking of going with either orange or white)

2. coin door gutted, but looks ok cosmetically (think it's been refinished before)
the guy did not have the mechs and said it was like that when he bought it.
on the bright side the vault and coin door are both unlocked, he does not however have the key.. but at least i can take it off without having to drill them out first.

3. cabinet has no feet, the side panels are splitting 1-2inches at the base, im not sure if this is purely water damage or not as it's only the side panels from the quick look i gave it.. it's probably also a combination of having no feet so it's sitting directly on it's side panels, not good at all, cabinet is structurally sound though.

4. panel above the monitor (where the power switch normally is) looks to have some water dmg, some mushrooming on it's edge and some bumps on it's top.. i'll have to study up on how to deal with this.. off top of my head im thinking sand + primer + paint.

5. back door is split design i knew it was rough shape from picture and the guy told me it was rough but i had no idea how bad.. the top part is actually screwed in.. i have no idea how bad this is as i did'nt bother taking it off before buying it (for 25 bucks i spent twice that on gas to get there so i was hardly going home without it)
the bottom door is on hinges and is incredibly warped & chewed up.

i dont even think it's the original door it looks like osb but i did'nt take a long good look at it.
there is no saving the back doors.. i'll probably replace with some 5/8 osb i got laying around, then just primer and paint it (probably 1 coat each)

hopefully i can get a better look at it tomorrow.. i already spent some time hacking a play station controller earlier, need to hack one more..

i'll do some benchmarking tomorrow, i remember a 2ghz celeron i had laying around did a pretty good job, but i got a athlon xp2200 and 2400 that are also on the chopping block for the mame cabinet..

i desperately need fastmame .70 and as many of the other release i can get.. can't find downloads anywhere.

[Malenko]

that is an MKII board, the control wouldnt support MK3, its missing the run button. Is there an ISO transformer? I bought a KI2 that worked wonderfully, didnt have an iso Xformer, and it killed the monitor and game PCB

[Beretta]

ya, but i did'nt take a good look inside, cause it was only 25 bucks and i had already spent 50 bucks getting there gas+food for my slave labor (friends/family)

so at that point unless it was on fire i'd have bought it for 25.

im gonna go take a better look at it in a bit, btw do isolation transformers go bad? they're just coils of wire and metal iirc.. but i suppose nothing lasts forever.

ya you're right it has no run button.. on the other hand i can't find the start either so ya never know (honestly im glad it was'nt a mk3, i think mk2 was better the peek of the 2d mk's imo)

[Beretta]

ok so i gave it a once over the other day, took some pics, good news and bad..

the good:

1. joy sticks and buttons all work, im unsure i think the joysticks are happ competitions, which i was thinking about buying anyway so save a little bit of money.

2. someone has already converted the cab to stereo so saves me the trouble.

3. brand new power supply like the guy said (although i wont have a lot of use for it with mame)

4. on closer inspection the upper back door might beable to save... the lower however is a total loss.

now the bad, and there is a lot more bad then good im afraid.

1. i've discovered why the monitor is not working.. i brought along my trusty multi meter thinking perhaps it was a loose wire or something, well it was of sort.. the anode cap has been removed, also the little cardboard on the neck board has been tampered with, so clearly someone has messed / tried to repair this monitor before.

im wondering if the chassis is any good.. my understanding is with a loose anode cap and powering up the monitor can cause it to arc wildly if it comes within a few inchs of a component.. i dunno, but the chassis is also been messed with, it's just laying loosely the screws have all been taken out, i was unaware of this during transport because the back had been SCREWED onto the cabinet due ot it's poor condition, in my noob inspection the tube did'nt look like it was physically damage from transport though

however i did notice a rusty/brownish spot near the convergence rings on teh tube, i dont know enough to say if this is normal it looks like perhaps that could be a source of problems, maybe some one can help me diagnose the monitor, im still trying to read on them but it look like a lost cause i have no idea whats been tampered with if anything.

2. after removing the tinted plexi glass you can see HEAVY burn on the monitor, it looks like it's seen several games, although the burnt in name "joust" is clearly visible..

more bad news for the monitor.. even if i can get it working i dont think this tube will be acceptable for use.

3. the cabinet looks like it was taken apart before, missing screws and such.

4. coin door looks like it will need most of it's parts, the coin eject buttons was wedged in with cardboard, to give the illusion of a working door, but  are missing mech holders & the mechs them selves, are mech holders standardized? im thinking cheapest route is to geta door off ebay and then move it's parts over to this one.. only other option is to get a door that fits this ones dimensions.. or to replace the kick panel for a over/under.

below is some pictures i took.

you can see the coin door is missing some parts.. it's also been refinished before, it currently has a smooth finish although under the lock and in corners you can see the old textured finish..

here's a shot of the CP, can see it has seen some action, it is the original but with lots of holes in it, i figure it's seen at least 2 games between joust and mk2, looks like it will have to be replaced, patching is'nt a option here.

looks iek this cabinet has been taken apart once before, here's an example of missing/mismatched screws up in the marquee area.

here you can see the top of the cab, it has what looks to me as water dmg, the finish has started to "bubble"up, im thinking some sanding to smooth it all down and paint will do the trick it still feels solid.

i did'nt realize at first but the sides are some sort of lament that has been added.. it's been glued and screwed on.. the screws are easy but im not sure i can get it off without damaging anything, the thought that a perfectly preserved "joust" side art is under there makes me giddy, even knowing odd's are it's a wreck.. but i dont know how to get it off to find out without damaging what MIGHT be under it.

here you see the marquee area, very odd, it's stuffed full of insulation.. i read about someone else who found insulation in a marquee area, it turned to be a rats nest with rat droppings.. took some of it out, did not notice any rat droppings but it's a mystery.. you can also see someone has replace the marquee light with a regular fixture you'ed get a home depo for under sinks and such, i removed it since i'll be converting to LED, but it does work, also notice the 3 speakers, someone has already converted it from mono to stereo, the original mono speaker is totally destroyed but is still mounted i'll be removing it. also notice the HEAVY burn in on the screen, this was mostly masked by tinted plexi glass, you can just make out "joust" among a lot of other burn in.

another shot of the screen burn

shot of the isolation transformer, it looks rough, it is however MASSIVE.. which begs the question 1. do they go bad? and 2. i can't imagine that rust is doing it any good.

here you can see the protective cardboard on teh neck board is hanging by only 1 zip tie, clearly someone has tampered with it.

anode cap, no i did'nt take it off it was already off.


can see a shot of the tube, it's a RCA

label on teh frame, it's a WG 4900 series, it's pretty rough shape.