Author Topic: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (Read 6475 times)

hypernova · « **on:** June 29, 2009, 11:16:58 pm »

It's been out nearly a week now, and not a single person's talked about it yet here, which I find...interesting.

Rottentomatoes gives it around a 20%. According to Paramount's exit polls, 91% considered it equal to or better than the first. Obviously this isn't a valid survey, as they may be wording their poll to produce those numbers. The few people I know enjoyed the movie completely. It begs the question:

What exactly are critics expecting when they head into a summer blockbuster like this? Most say that there isn't enough plot, too much mayhem going on, or there really isn't much plot concerning humans. So what would make this better in their eyes? Robot relationships? Diplomatic relations between robots instead of fighting? Tons of dialogue discussing robot feelings with witty, intelligent observations of the world?

After reading a local paper's preview of coming summer movies, I can only assume that alot of these critics opinions are tainted by reading what other critics have said, or what they think other critics will think. I also think they look at who's involved in the movie (Bay in this case,) and automatically go into it with a mental block on actually objectively judging it.

So what's the opinion here?
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Megan Fox is insanely, absolutely, indisputably hot.

Flake · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2009, 11:36:45 pm »

Quote from: hypernova on June 29, 2009, 11:16:58 pm

Megan Fox is insanely, absolutely, indisputably hot.

Havent seen the movie but dont need to to agree wholeheartedly with this statement.

JimmyU · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2009, 11:47:28 pm »

Best movie review I've ever seen:

http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie?skyline=true&s=x

ChadTower · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:03:09 am »

Quote from: hypernova on June 29, 2009, 11:16:58 pm

Rottentomatoes gives it around a 20%. According to Paramount's exit polls, 91% considered it equal to or better than the first.

Haven't seen this one yet but this certainly seems possible. The first one was total crap so this one can be better and still only a 20.

SirPeale · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:40:48 am »

I liked it. It is was it's designed to be: a movie based on a line of toys.

giant transforming robots - CHECK
not one, but two SMOKING hawt chicks - CHECK
did I mention GIANT TRANSFORMING ROBOTS?!?!?!? - CHECK
Michael Bay EXPLOSIONS! - CHECK
Peter Cullen doing Optimus Prime's voice - CHECK
ZOMG GIANT TRANSFORMING ROBOTS ZOMG - CHECK

That said, I actually DO have complaints about the movie.

A) The Deceptions need what's in Sam's brain. Humans are squishy. They aren't taking too much care considering what's in stake.

B) Too many robots spend time standing around - in VEHICLE MODE - not doing anything at all. The airplane and warehouse come to mind. Seriously, why?

I know there are other things, but this is what comes to mind at the moment.

ChadTower · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:49:03 am »

...if it's anything like the first movie, they stand around doing nothing because transforming is impossible. They morph into a randomly flailing ball of sharp metal parts that looks curiously like a starship explosion and then wham they're a car or a ship or a robot. It looked stupid, especially when they didn't even bother to show the whole robot, just swapping camera angle every 1.3 seconds so that you never actually see the whole transfomer. It's Godzilla quality on a bigger budget.

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:53:42 am »

The 22yo kid that works here came in yesterday and told me this was easily the best movie of the summer and asked if I had seen it. I replied I had not and had no intention unless it shows Megan Fox's cans. I then qualified my replied by stating I was never really into the transformers, they came along after I stopped caring about cartoons. He then told me the first Transformers movie was the best movie of all time.
So, in the second statement, he lost all street cred and I simply could not trust his assessment of the new movie. I don't know what the best movie of all time is, but I can think of at least 200 better movies than Transformers.

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:55:25 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on June 30, 2009, 09:49:03 am

...if it's anything like the first movie, they stand around doing nothing because transforming is impossible. They morph into a randomly flailing ball of sharp metal parts that looks curiously like a starship explosion and then wham they're a car or a ship or a robot. It looked stupid, especially when they didn't even bother to show the whole robot, just swapping camera angle every 1.3 seconds so that you never actually see the whole transfomer. It's Godzilla quality on a bigger budget.

Not to mention a Camaro turning into a 3 story robot.

shardian · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:59:10 am »

I enjoyed the hell out of the first one, despite all the silliness. I plan to enjoy the hell out of this one this weekend, despite all the bad press I am seeing.

ChadTower · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2009, 10:01:04 am »

Quote from: LLUncoolJ on June 30, 2009, 09:55:25 am

Not to mention a Camaro turning into a 3 story robot.

Yeah, meant to mention that, there's that little issue of the laws of conservation of matter involved with taking an object the size of a car and turning it into something the size of a building by rotating a few parts. Cybertron may be far away but physics are physics.

Even putting all that aside, though, and it is just a scifi movie... Shia Lewhatever was unwatchable, playing that same babbling moron he plays in every movie.

So, I'll watch this, but not until I can do it at home.

drventure · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2009, 10:06:58 am »

Hehe

It's all about density, man!

That 3 story robot is just as dense as a pile of Styrofoam. Mystery solved

(as for how tough they are in battle.... fingers in ears, ya ya ya.....)

ChadTower · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2009, 10:11:51 am »

Quote from: drventure on June 30, 2009, 10:06:58 am

Hehe

It's all about density, man!

That 3 story robot is just as dense as a pile of Styrofoam. Mystery solved

(as for how tough they are in battle.... fingers in ears, ya ya ya.....)

Maybe they have huge speakers in them making all those sounds and it's really all an illusion. That can be Transformers 3: It Got Windy

shardian · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2009, 10:56:07 am »

Quote from: pinballjim on June 30, 2009, 10:35:12 am

Quote from: hypernova on June 29, 2009, 11:16:58 pm
Megan Fox is insanely, absolutely, indisputably hot.

She has toe thumbs and really trashy tattoos... otherwise, agree.

Those tattoos...ughh! I've noticed that she appears to be taking the Angelina Jolie PR moves lately. She mostly keeps them covered up so she looks more sophisticated and star-like instead of trailer trash.

It almost makes me want to cry seeing such beauty tainted with skanky ink.

garnerb350 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:05:34 pm »

Depends on what side of the bed i wake up on when it comes to my feelings on Transformers 2.

Pros:
Glad to see more Autobots and Decepticons
Finally introduced the Matrix of Leadership
Frank Welker did the voices of Soundwave/Starscream.
Megan Fox is.... hot

Cons:
No Unicron
Trying to figure out what Transformer is what in the movie.
Arcee had what.... two lines...then destroyed...I was ticked off the same way when Jazz got killed off in the first one.
WTF was going through Micheal Bay head when he came up with Devastator.
The fight scenes was taking scrap metal and squeezing them together...
How did anything survive after that MichealBay-a-thon of explosions...
Jetfire was too old...
The Fallen....couldhave done better with Unicron...
and since when do you have hot sexy girls working on bikes in a mechanic shop...ONLY IN HOLLYWOOD!!!

Mauzy · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:36:17 pm »

The scene with Megan Fox taking off those leather pants outside the garage was worth the price of admission alone.

But seriously, I thought the movie was good. Nothing spectacular, but not bad. For some reason all my friends hated it.

CCM · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:48:49 pm »

I haven't seen it yet, but I am planning to this weekend. I liked the first one and expect to like this one.

I think if you go into it expecting it to be what it is, a summer action movie, you will like it better.

I have no idea why anyone would go into this movie expecting reality or trying to fit the robots into the laws of physics.

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:58:18 pm »

I'll watch it...next year on HBO. Just sayin', if this is the best movie of the summer (according to the kid at work), then it is an awfully weak crop this year.

With the kiddos, I don't get to see many movies that appeal to me at the theatre. But I am going to make time to see Inglourious Basterds.

SirPeale · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2009, 06:46:27 pm »

I don't know why everyone has a problem with a car unfolding into a three story robot. They're not making matter out of nothing, it's just the parts unfolding to bulk it up.

Ummon · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:01:59 pm »

Um, it doesn't beg the question. I'm guilty of the same usage, mind. Look it up, though. Anyways, I wondered why I saw a google search box with transformers in it. Had no idea. The first one was pretty tripe-y. Can't see this one being any worse.

ChadTower · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:53:47 pm »

Quote from: SirPeale on June 30, 2009, 06:46:27 pm

I don't know why everyone has a problem with a car unfolding into a three story robot. They're not making matter out of nothing, it's just the parts unfolding to bulk it up.

The only way that's even remotely possible is for the robot to be as dense as styrofoam at the most. I wouldn't mind it being sort of out of scale but the degree to which it doesn't fit is just foolish.

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #20 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:59:52 pm »

Quote from: SirPeale on June 30, 2009, 09:40:48 am

giant transforming robots - CHECK
not one, but two SMOKING hawt chicks - CHECK
did I mention GIANT TRANSFORMING ROBOTS?!?!?!? - CHECK
Michael Bay EXPLOSIONS! - CHECK
Peter Cullen doing Optimus Prime's voice - CHECK
ZOMG GIANT TRANSFORMING ROBOTS ZOMG - CHECK

Stupid-ass "jokes" that weren't needed - CHECK
Nuts on a robot that weren't needed - CHECK
Barely there storyline - CHECK
Stupid ass "joker" characters that completely ruin movies ala Jar-Jar Binks - CHECK

...need I go on?

CCM · « **Reply #21 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:07:40 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on June 30, 2009, 07:53:47 pm

Quote from: SirPeale on June 30, 2009, 06:46:27 pm
I don't know why everyone has a problem with a car unfolding into a three story robot. They're not making matter out of nothing, it's just the parts unfolding to bulk it up.

The only way that's even remotely possible is for the robot to be as dense as styrofoam at the most. I wouldn't mind it being sort of out of scale but the degree to which it doesn't fit is just foolish.

So you only like non-fiction and documentaries?

ChadTower · « **Reply #22 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:11:17 pm »

Quote from: CCM on June 30, 2009, 08:07:40 pm

So you only like non-fiction and documentaries?

Other movies, with a good story, decent visuals (other than Megan Fox), that are entertaining buy some suspension of disbelief. When the visuals are confusing and weird, the story sucks, and the characters are annoying enough that you want them dead (other than Megan Fox), disbelief goes out the window and you start to think about ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- like "why is the Camaro turning into a building sized robot".

SithMaster · « **Reply #23 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:35:24 pm »

I'd like to point out that Bay didn't include certain robots due to mass issues yet in other cases he completely ignores his own rule against said transformations. He seems against making a good movie (all around).

My biggest complaint is a movie about giant transforming robots involves humans way too much. I could have done without learning what NEST does and how they plan on turning on Prime. Yes Megan Fox is the tolerable one but Bay doesn't seem to think much of her except that she is hot. It would be nice if she did something other than run around with that jerk. They should start over and cast her as lead and kill off the other kid.

Why does he think its okay to include pretenders and not give a back story? Its nice that certain parts of the line are being used but then you see all the lame Autobots tossed in the movie and then you wonder why couldn't someone who knows Transformers be involved.

Ravage was cool.

It seems as though he tried to use as many ideas from all the Transformer material ever produced as possible into the movie and then failed.

ahofle · « **Reply #24 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:59:57 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on June 30, 2009, 11:00:37 pm

Keep in mind I'm one of those idiots that bought the Canuck version of the animated movie on VHS so I could hear Spike say "oh ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, what are we gonna do now"

Quote from: garnerb350 on June 30, 2009, 04:05:34 pm

Frank Welker did the voices of Soundwave/Starscream.

Wow I didn't know that -- that's great! I was very disappointed that he didn't get the job for the voice of Megatron in the first movie. No one does Megatron like Welker.

SirPeale · « **Reply #25 on:** July 01, 2009, 07:14:42 am »

Welker did not do Starscream.

Gatsu · « **Reply #26 on:** July 01, 2009, 11:00:36 am »

Im probably the only person on the planet that hated the movie.

I only enjoyed 2 things from the movie.

- Peter Cullen reprising his role as Optimus Prime.
- Megan Fox.

The rest....garbage thrown in a cement mixer IMO.

CCM · « **Reply #27 on:** July 01, 2009, 11:16:40 am »

Quote from: Gatsu on July 01, 2009, 11:00:36 am

Im probably the only person on the planet that hated the movie.

ummm, I'm guessing you haven't read this entire thread.

Gatsu · « **Reply #28 on:** July 01, 2009, 01:15:01 pm »

not all....working on it though. lol.

shardian · « **Reply #29 on:** July 01, 2009, 01:22:50 pm »

Quote from: SirPeale on July 01, 2009, 07:14:42 am

Welker did not do Starscream.

Uh oh, the gauntlet has been thrown down.

NERD FIGHT! NERD FIGHT!!

For the record, I hated Megtron's voice in the original series.

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #30 on:** July 01, 2009, 03:06:04 pm »

Quote from: shardian on July 01, 2009, 01:22:50 pm

Quote from: SirPeale on July 01, 2009, 07:14:42 am
Welker did not do Starscream.

Uh oh, the gauntlet has been thrown down.

NERD FIGHT! NERD FIGHT!!

CCM · « **Reply #31 on:** July 01, 2009, 03:33:56 pm »

According to IMDB, someone named Charlie Adler did the voice of Starscream....

ChadTower · « **Reply #32 on:** July 01, 2009, 03:37:16 pm »

Would have been better if it were Charlie Murphy.

Gatsu · « **Reply #33 on:** July 01, 2009, 03:45:44 pm »

Chris Latta was the original voice of Starscream in the 80's cartoon. Also Cobra Commander in G.I. Joe.

Starscream in the newer cartoon is voiced by Tom Kenny....he also voices Spongebob Squarepants.

ChadTower · « **Reply #34 on:** July 01, 2009, 03:48:26 pm »

Okay, Starscream Squarepants would be really really funny.

Mauzy · « **Reply #35 on:** July 01, 2009, 04:04:20 pm »

Quote from: Gatsu on July 01, 2009, 03:45:44 pm

Chris Latta was the original voice of Starscream in the 80's cartoon. Also Cobra Commander in G.I. Joe.

Starscream in the newer cartoon is voiced by Tom Kenny....he also voices Spongebob Squarepants.

...and [one of] the Twins....and 95% of cartoon voices that aren't Billy West or Frank Welker.

SirPeale · « **Reply #36 on:** July 01, 2009, 04:06:37 pm »

Tom Kenny did Wheelie.

ChadTower · « **Reply #37 on:** July 01, 2009, 04:12:59 pm »

oh who turns into jetfighters under the sea... starscream squarepants
spongy and yellow and whiny is he... starsrcream squarepants
if bombing and dogfights be something ye wish... starscream squarepants
then drop on the deck and flop like a fish... starscream squarepants

didn't actually have to change that last line.

Mauzy · « **Reply #38 on:** July 01, 2009, 04:33:33 pm »

Quote from: SirPeale on July 01, 2009, 04:06:37 pm

Tom Kenny did Wheelie.

...and Skids, one of the twins. Forgot he didn't do both.

MaineEvent · « **Reply #39 on:** July 01, 2009, 04:57:31 pm »

Please sign my petition to have them change the title to:

Megan Fox is a Smoking Hot Canadian

Another reason to celebrate July 1st

My god she is incredibly good looking.... where is the drooling smiley face?

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #40 on:** July 01, 2009, 05:03:33 pm »

She's a hottie alright... but what's with the skanky-ass tats?

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #41 on:** July 01, 2009, 05:04:35 pm »

Quote from: MaineEvent on July 01, 2009, 04:57:31 pm

Please sign my petition to have them change the title to:

Megan Fox is a Smoking Hot Canadian

Another reason to celebrate July 1st

My god she is incredibly good looking.... where is the drooling smiley face?

BTW: Megan Fox is from Oak Ridge, TN...

whammoed · « **Reply #42 on:** July 01, 2009, 06:14:07 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on June 30, 2009, 10:35:12 am

Quote from: hypernova on June 29, 2009, 11:16:58 pm
Megan Fox is insanely, absolutely, indisputably hot.
She has toe thumbs and really trashy tattoos... otherwise, agree.

Here's your new avatar PBJ:

shardian · « **Reply #43 on:** July 02, 2009, 09:05:16 am »

shardian · « **Reply #44 on:** July 02, 2009, 09:08:45 am »

All laughing aside, I wouldn't kick her out of bed for the thumbs or the tats.

The thumb thing is some sort of prematurity birth defect. I have a coworker that had it real bad. Some of his fingers looked like someone bashed the tips in with a sledge hammer. Also, he finally had major surgery on his toes in which they broke them all and reset them with pins.

So... has anyone ever seen her toes?

CCM · « **Reply #45 on:** July 02, 2009, 10:18:56 am »

they look normal...

Gatsu · « **Reply #46 on:** July 02, 2009, 02:28:27 pm »

the hoof was an obvious photoshop job....Kate does not have a hoof. at least I hope not. I'd still do her.

SithMaster · « **Reply #47 on:** July 02, 2009, 10:13:59 pm »

Quote from: Gatsu on July 01, 2009, 11:00:36 am

Im probably the only person on the planet that hated the movie.

I only enjoyed 2 things from the movie.

- Peter Cullen reprising his role as Optimus Prime.
- Megan Fox.

The rest....garbage thrown in a Mix Master IMO.

fixt

hypernova · « **Reply #48 on:** July 02, 2009, 11:12:41 pm »

Would mini paper bags on her thumbs be an option?

Though it wouldn't be necessary. The thumbs are pretty much the last thing I'd be concerned with while...ya know....

Ummon · « **Reply #49 on:** July 03, 2009, 07:29:58 pm »

Quote from: pinballjim on July 02, 2009, 10:37:37 pm

Quote from: Gatsu on July 02, 2009, 02:28:27 pm
the hoof was an obvious photoshop job....Kate does not have a hoof. at least I hope not. I'd still do her.

The problem with toe thumbs and hoof feet is you're looking at obvious genetic defects and even though you may not want kids with them, you still entertain those notions of 'unfit to bear my children'. $:-\$

Ain't dat da truth. My music theory instructer had big toe thumbs. I was always amazed how articulate he was with them on the piano.

Sorta back on topic, I loved the voices in the original cartoon. Especially Optimus and Megatron. They're such interesting and rich timbres. Back then, though, I had the idea they digitally enhanced those like Megatron and Starscream.

WunderCade · « **Reply #50 on:** July 04, 2009, 12:58:30 pm »

Saw it yesterday....

1. The desert fight was way too long...seemed like that segment alone was 30 minutes.

2. The 2 twins with the golden grille and "---smurfette----ass ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?---"?? WTF?? This is Transformers?

3. Pleasant surprise that "The Matrix of Leadership" showed up in the storyline.

4. Disappointed in Devastator iteration, they could've made a more defined and believable Gestalt.

5. A lot of action...I guess to fill the void of a compelling storyline.

I'd give it 2 out of 5 stars.

patrickl · « **Reply #51 on:** July 04, 2009, 03:12:54 pm »

Saw it a few days ago. It's a Transformers movie ...

So of course it's nothing special, but still, I kinda liked it. The bots look great and there was even some sort of story. Don't see how a Transformer movie could be much better apart from abandoning the whole principle of the original cartoons.

Fight scenes in movies aren't my thing in general (about as boring as car chases), but in this case it was even worse because it was practically impossible to see what was going on with all the bot parts.

I will go against popular opinion, but Megan Fox doesn't do much for me. Not sure why, but I guess she's simply a little too skanky for my taste. Too much eye brow, lips and shiny tanned skin. She has a nice figure, but she has the most annoying voice (barring that of some Alaskan woman in a stewardess outfit).

King Nerd · « **Reply #52 on:** July 04, 2009, 04:20:55 pm »

Quote from: patrickl on July 04, 2009, 03:12:54 pm

I will go against popular opinion, but Megan Fox doesn't do much for me. Not sure why, but I guess she's simply a little too skanky for my taste. Too much eye brow, lips and shiny tanned skin. She has a nice figure, but she has the most annoying voice (barring that of some Alaskan woman in a stewardess outfit).

I believe breasts are required to have a figure.
She's a pear with toe-thumbs.

Oni2382 · « **Reply #53 on:** July 05, 2009, 10:06:45 am »

I saw it and I can honestly do with the corny ass love story between Sam and Makaeyla(SP?) It's a Transformers, a series about ROBOTS with not a whole lot of concern for the humans...That's Hollywood for you though, I watched the Original 1986 movie on DVD recently just to wash the taste of this movie.

I also HATED Devastator in this movie, and wished the constructicons could have done some fighting in robot mode at least...

hypernova · « **Reply #54 on:** July 05, 2009, 02:09:31 pm »

Quote from: Oni2382 on July 05, 2009, 10:06:45 am

I also HATED Devastator in this movie, and wished the constructicons could have done some fighting in robot mode at least...

It was already a 150 minute movie. Maybe next time...

Ummon · « **Reply #55 on:** July 05, 2009, 05:02:19 pm »

Quote from: patrickl on July 04, 2009, 03:12:54 pm

I will go against popular opinion, but Megan Fox doesn't do much for me. Not sure why, but I guess she's simply a little too skanky for my taste. Too much eye brow, lips and shiny tanned skin. She has a nice figure, but she has the most annoying voice (barring that of some Alaskan woman in a stewardess outfit).

Ah, another white-o-file.

Quote from: King Nerd on July 04, 2009, 04:20:55 pm

I believe breasts are required to have a figure.
She's a pear with toe-thumbs.

No. In fact, pears generally have smaller, or even small, breasts. It's part of what makes for the shape. That girl's a slender pear, by the way. You can rub her down, but you can't spank her. Which is lacking, of course, but could be worse.

Quote from: hypernova on July 05, 2009, 02:09:31 pm

It was already a 150 minute movie.

God almighty.

patrickl · « **Reply #56 on:** July 07, 2009, 04:30:00 pm »

Quote from: King Nerd on July 04, 2009, 04:20:55 pm

Quote from: patrickl on July 04, 2009, 03:12:54 pm
I will go against popular opinion, but Megan Fox doesn't do much for me. Not sure why, but I guess she's simply a little too skanky for my taste. Too much eye brow, lips and shiny tanned skin. She has a nice figure, but she has the most annoying voice (barring that of some Alaskan woman in a stewardess outfit).

I believe breasts are required to have a figure.
She's a pear with toe-thumbs.

Actually she apparently underwent some surgery to have her boobage increased. Look for the topless pictures taken of her on the set of "Jennifer's Body".


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