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Author Topic: Pentranic ch-288 with no horizontal deflection -- FIXED  (Read 3679 times)

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Pentranic ch-288 with no horizontal deflection -- FIXED
« on: April 27, 2009, 09:40:23 pm »
So I've got a thin vertical line on my screen and as the computer boots up I can see the colors change on the line, so I know it's getting a picture.  I checked the board for broken traces and broken solder joints but found nothing obvious.  The board was made in 2000 so I'm skeptical of doing a full cap kit.  I looked at the schematic but wasn't really sure what to start with.  Any ideas/advice?

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Re: Pentranic ch-288 with no horizontal deflection
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 10:34:47 pm »
usually, the loss of h deflection ( vert line)  will detune the stage enough to destroy the h output xistor.

what u more likely have is a line extending l-r across the center of screen ( h line ) caused by the loss
of VERTICAL deflection.

schematic here: http://niemandisplays.com/nvd%20ch-288%20cga%20only.pdf
 courtesy of Rickn

for starters,
check for B+ at pin 7 of ic3, higher than pin 7 vdc at pin 3
check c393,c398,r336

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Re: Pentranic ch-288 with no horizontal deflection
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 06:44:06 am »
I checked out Bob Roberts page on monitor orientation and the line is on the shortest axis, so it is a loss of horizontal deflection, not vertical.  Are those things you told me to check in the vertical path or horizontal?

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Re: Pentranic ch-288 with no horizontal deflection
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 08:43:22 pm »
that was for a more common loss of vert .

hv w/no h sweep should be relatively easy to spot.  burn mark
i.e., a cold solder joint that has/is arcing . ( it is a 1200+Vpp signal  ;) )

check c908,l902,

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Re: Pentranic ch-288 with no horizontal deflection
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 09:25:47 pm »
dude, you are my hero.  So there was a big hole burned underneath L902 and a resistor was soldered in on the underside.  Well the person accidentally lifted the solder point off the PCB, so I just soldered a small wire from L902 to next component inline and now the picture is perfect, thanks again!!!

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Re: Pentranic ch-288 with no horizontal deflection -- FIXED
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 10:24:34 pm »
glad u got it going.    good job !

the symptom u had described is infrequent compaired to vertical issues....,
and u might be surprised how many folks get confused on sweep direction.   ;D


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                      i        no h sweep /hv ok                       -----------------------      no vert
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 for standard crt mount    /    reverse for 90 degree mount           

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Re: Pentranic ch-288 with no horizontal deflection -- FIXED
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2009, 09:45:11 am »
It can be confusing...I've got another monitor with no vertical that I have to work on...but thankfully I have a flowchart for that one.  Last question on the Pentranic...in addition to the hot/neutral wires I see another green wire soldered into ground...does that mean I don't need an isolation transformer for it?  I couldn't find anything written on the chassis/tube to say one way or the other.  The frame also looks powder coated versus the plain metal on older WG, G07, etc so can that even conduct electricity?

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Scott

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Re: Pentranic ch-288 with no horizontal deflection -- FIXED
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2009, 04:39:22 pm »
IF the monitor has a SMPS ( switch mode pwr supply ) , the supply's xformer provides the isolation.
no additional iso needed .  won't hurt anything to connect one - jus' redundant


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Re: Pentranic ch-288 with no horizontal deflection -- FIXED
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2009, 04:41:13 pm »
Hmm...the wires go right into the PCB just like my other monitors...so I'm just going to play it safe and use the iso transformer.  Thanks.


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