Someone's selling "our" artwork !

[Level42]

Ebay Link

---uvula--- is selling stuff that can be downloaded from Joymonkey's site......

[Xiaou2]

 If a Thief steals a painting,  then restores it..  and then another thief comes
along and steals the restored painting.. then can the 1st thief really cry foul?

 The artwork in question belongs to Atari,  and its internal artists that designed
and painted it.

 While it may stink that Joymonkey did not get any commissions for his
efforts..  (Probably did it out of love)  One can hardly claim rights to Art
that does not belong to him.

 Joy could have easily tried to sell his work on ebay too...  of course, he
was smarted than that... knowing that he may get into trouble doing so.

[CheffoJeffo]

Is it stuff that can be downloaded from JM's site ?

To my knowledge, he has never made the original PSD files available.

[Level42]

 If a Thief steals a painting,  then restores it..  and then another thief comes
along and steals the restored painting.. then can the 1st thief really cry foul?

 The artwork in question belongs to Atari,  and its internal artists that designed
and painted it.

 While it may stink that Joymonkey did not get any commissions for his
efforts..  (Probably did it out of love)  One can hardly claim rights to Art
that does not belong to him.

 Joy could have easily tried to sell his work on ebay too...  of course, he
was smarted than that... knowing that he may get into trouble doing so.

You don't understand. We bought the artwork in a group buy quite some time ago. I also didn't claim we had the rights to the artwork that's why I used the " " quotes.

Everyone who participated and payed 50 bucks could get a copy of the full collection (almost 500 GB).

Read up here and then you understand what Joymonkey's role was in this:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=61616.0

Joy asks a very minor contribution for the cost of hosting the stuff and all the work he puts in it.
That's a big differece with selling it on e-bay for large profits. That just sucks.

And I'm not talking legal ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- here, just my opinion.

The good thing is that reporting this ---uvula--- is easy as Lucasfilm doesn't like Star Wars art in the open...

[2600]

Actually, you all bought a copy of the artwork.  He sold the artwork to one or more other parties as well.

[ChadTower]

...and there was never any agreement to not sell the artwork amongst those of us who were in on the purchase.  In fact that was addressed very clearly in the consensus that each contributor was free to do whatever they wish with the artwork.


(plus there were some of us, including me, who paid and yet never did manage to get their drive full of content)

[shardian]

...and there was never any agreement to not sell the artwork amongst those of us who were in on the purchase.  In fact that was addressed very clearly in the consensus that each contributor was free to do whatever they wish with the artwork.


(plus there were some of us, including me, who paid and yet never did manage to get their drive full of content)

I just wanted a 50-60 gig copy of the 300dpi files.  I just use joymonkey's site if/when I ever need anything.

Joymonkey also got a nice HD for his efforts back then.

[ChadTower]

Yeah, it took me a few months to come up with a drive, and by that time the chatter had died off and I still don't have a copy.   

[Level42]

I don't have a copy yet either but that's 1000% my own fault. I have a spare drive sitting here waiting to be shipped to France .....

Whatever we "agreed" on, I don't like it that people make profits over it. The idea was to share not to sell.

O and that drive that JM has still is full with those files I may hope.....so not of any real use for him.

It's funny how we then looked up to 500GB and some even considered DVD-R's to back everything up while a 500 GB external drive costs close to nothing now.

[ChadTower]

I don't have a copy yet either but that's 1000% my own fault. I have a spare drive sitting here waiting to be shipped to France .....

Same here on the delay, if I had been faster, I'd have a copy.

Whatever we "agreed" on, I don't like it that people make profits over it. The idea was to share not to sell.

I don't get this.  We discussed the concept openly and fully at the time and no one objected then.  We are also not the only people that bought this package from the original source.  There was no exclusivity here and there is no way of knowing where that person got their content from.  Why the objections voiced now and not then?  And how are you so sure this even came from our group?

[Spyridon]

I wasn't around back when the artwork was available to buy into.  Would have liked to get in on that.

[JONTHEBOMB]

I don't have a copy yet either but that's 1000% my own fault. I have a spare drive sitting here waiting to be shipped to France .....

Same here on the delay, if I had been faster, I'd have a copy.

I will be able to copy the artwork for anyone in the original group when we hit June.

[SavannahLion]

I'm slightly confused. How many buy-ins have there been on this data? I know I got my copy from the second buy-in and I know there was a first. How many other buy-ins have there been and how many different file sets are there? I would love to get the Star Wars (and the MS Pac-Man stencil set) set if it's been refined, corrected and updated. I'm just hard pressed to shell out even more money to "buy-in" on a previous buy-in to get that data.

I'm not complaining, it's just really awkward to keep track of who was in what buy-in and when.

[JeepMonkey]

Yeah, it took me a few months to come up with a drive, and by that time the chatter had died off and I still don't have a copy.   

I am in the same boat.  If anyone get's this ball rolling again please let me know.

[ChadTower]

IIRC, there were two buy ins.  One was the original group that bought in to get the content in the first place.  Then there was a second much smaller one to get in on what the first group had bought.  I'm not as familiar with the details on the second buy in.  I don't know of any other group buy ins but obviously everyone was free to do whatever they wanted with their copies so it could have sold or been given away many times since then.

The original concept was to do this as a community for the community and make the content public.  The vectorized stuff is really big, though, so Joymonkey did what he could to get at least some printable jpgs up on the web.  There have always been people willing to send individual pieces to BYOAC members on request from what I have seen.

[2600]

Chad's correct in that there were two buy in's from BYOAC.  There were also people who purchased the artwork outside of BYOAC.

[Truecade]

I know this is kind of off topic in the context of this thread, but I was part of the original artwork purchase and if anyone still wants a copy I'd be more than happy to accommodate if someone sends me a blank hard drive.  Just PM me.

[Level42]

And I'm sure Joymonkey will offer the same service still.

I know Zorg has the copy over here in Europe and I should have sent him my spare USB drive ages ago as he long offered to copy it for me....

Let's put that first on my to do list....

[SavannahLion]

So can we offer to copy the data for those in the first group buy in and vice versa? Or is that a no-no? I'd be more than happy to copy the data if they send me the drive and I would certainly like access to some of the vectorized work Joymonkey did.

[Level42]

Of course, that's what they payed for right ?

[ChadTower]

So can we offer to copy the data for those in the first group buy in and vice versa? Or is that a no-no? I'd be more than happy to copy the data if they send me the drive and I would certainly like access to some of the vectorized work Joymonkey did.

I have no issues with that but have no idea where artwork done by Joymonkey falls within the agreements everyone made.  I don't remember there ever being an actual statement that the two groups had to be separate.