Stupid phone

[ark_ader]

OK, I'll agree with shmokes -- the design is stupid. I don't see where anybody said anything different.

BUT what is far more stupid is continuing to do the same thing again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again (did I get the count right ?) knowing in advance that it will happen, but figuring that since the design is stupid that somehow that makes it all OK.

EDIT: Which makes the point that I was getting at with respect to the G08 -- it is a flawed design that is prone to overheating and possibly igniting. If I put one in a cabinet, without adding a suitable cooling mechanism, knowing full well that it could catch fire, then I would have to be an idiot to lay the blame for such a fire solely at the feet of Wells Gardner. It's inconvenient for me to have to add a fan. I shouldn't have to add a fan. I don't want to add a fan. But, if I quit whining, accept some responsibility and behave intelligently, then I can manage to get by without burning the damned house down.

What Cheffo said above is quite correct.  Now I want you, Shmokes, to contact your local law enforcement and apologize to them, buy some tickets to the policeman's ball, and be a good citizen.   

I'm betting Shmoke's next thread will be about a Poltergeist in his house calling 911 from his Emerson clock radio phone.....

[Kevin Mullins]

If I carry my Blackberry Pearl in my pocket without a sleeve it will periodically call 911 even though the keys are locked.

Not to say their particular design by using the trackball as a shortcut couldn't be better and be made to less likely randomly call 911 ........ personally I don't see why they didn't just link it to the keys (i.e 9-1-1) Just as many steps in order to dial it.

And the "accidental phone calls" statement could be misconstruded all to hell I'm sure......but what it boils down to is that 911 has to remain accessible at ALL times.

In the case of the Blackberry pearl - if the keypad is locked....what's left?
Um, the trackball. (the same thing you would have to use to unlock the keypad)

Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations stipulate that all cellular phones must receive access to the service provider's network, regardless of whether or not the phone is active or has a Subscriber Identity Module (SIM) or Universal Subscriber Identity Module (USIM) card.

The key requirement is that the phone shall interpret phone calls made to 112 or 911 as emergency calls and employ the emergency call teleservice for phone call setup in all cases, including but not necessarily limited to the following cases:

    * When a SIM/USIM is not present
    * When a SIM/USIM is present but neither 112 nor 911 are contained in the emergency numbers list stored on the SIM/USIM
    * When a SIM/USIM is present and 112 and/or 911 are contained in the emergency numbers list stored on the SIM/USIM
    * When a SIM/USIM is present with CHV1, a digital signing security protocol, enabled and CHV1 is yet to be verified during the current session
    * When a SIM/USIM is present with CHV1 blocked
    * When a SIM/USIM is present and the Fixed Dialing Numbers (FDN) service is enabled, irrespective of whether 112 and/or 911 are included in the Fixed Dialing Number list
    * When the keypad is “locked” to prevent accidental phone calls
    * When in a normal service state or limited service state

All phone calls to an emergency number shall initiate an emergency setup message.

Thus, we must allow the ability to dial emergency numbers from a locked BlackBerry smartphone. While this does not mean that we must allow emergency dialing from a locked screen by actually typing an emergency number (911, 999, 000, 119, 112, etc...), this ability is implemented in BlackBerry smartphones as per individual service provider requirements.

[Zakk]

He must be getting along quite well at lawyers school.  "Why should I have to stop dropping hot coffee into my lap, it shouldn't be so hot!"  Why should I have to stop driving into trees, the airbag doesn't have to come out so hard!"  "Why should I have to learn to breathe underwater, water should just have air in it!" "Why should I have to avoid wearing nothing but pink thongs to work, you should just look away!"

[shmokes]

In the case of the Blackberry pearl - if the keypad is locked....what's left?
Um, the trackball. (the same thing you would have to use to unlock the keypad)

The keypad cannot be unlocked with the trackball.  The only way to unlock the keypad is with a specific series of keypresses. 

[leapinlew]

It's a smart phone. Maybe it's calling 911 because your not smart enough to own it.

[shmokes]

BUT what is far more stupid is continuing to do the same thing again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again (did I get the count right ?) knowing in advance that it will happen

That's absurd.  EVERYBODY does this.  You go outside without an umbrella again and again and again and again knowing in advance that once in a while you will sometimes be caught in an unexpected rainstorm.  You could obviate the problem, of course, by carrying an umbrella everywhere you go at all times.  But you don't want to carry an umbrella everywhere you go.  It's inconvenient.  So you don't do it.  But the more often it rains, the more likely you are to break down and start carrying an umbrella.    

Nobody goes around taking preventative measures for every possible bad thing that could happen as soon as he learns of the possibility.  It depends entirely on how bad the thing is and how likely it is to occur.  For example, I do take an umbrella just about everywhere I go.  I keep one in my school bag.  I keep one in my car.

[shmokes]

. . . your not smart

Hmm . . . something about that insult makes it sting less than it should.  What could it be . . . ?   

[shmokes]

Any incident after the first or maybe even second are all your fault - I don't care if the phone dials 911 when the battery runs low.  You know it, you didn't alter your behaviour, you are accountable.

But you are still missing the point.  I don't care at all about the 911 time that I personally have wasted.  The amount of emergency service time I've wasted is measured in seconds, not minutes.  It's completely negligible and you're just being a drama queen.  When you look at the wasted resources cumulatively, yeah, it's substantial.  But that's a problem that only Blackberry's can fix, and it's a problem that they should fix, because it is their mistake.

And there is absolutely nothing unreasonable about my irritation that a product that I purchased doesn't work the way it should.  And frankly, there's nothing unreasonable about my failure to apply highest priority to correcting a problem that is fairly minuscule.  I got to it eventually.  You're acting like the building was on fire and I sat around watching it burn instead of trying to escape when I had the chance.  Again, that's just the drama queen in you.

[missioncontrol]

I've only called 911 twice in my life, once when I witnessed an horrific accident, the other time when my house was on fire.

[CheffoJeffo]

BUT what is far more stupid is continuing to do the same thing again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again (did I get the count right ?) knowing in advance that it will happen

That's absurd.  EVERYBODY does this.  You go outside without an umbrella again and again and again and again knowing in advance that once in a while you will sometimes be caught in an unexpected rainstorm.  You could obviate the problem, of course, by carrying an umbrella everywhere you go at all times.  But you don't want to carry an umbrella everywhere you go.  It's inconvenient.  So you don't do it.  But the more often it rains, the more likely you are to break down and start carrying an umbrella.    

Nobody goes around taking preventative measures for every possible bad thing that could happen as soon as he learns of the possibility.  It depends entirely on how bad the thing is and how likely it is to occur.  For example, I do take an umbrella just about everywhere I go.  I keep one in my school bag.  I keep one in my car.

What is absurd is you trying to treat the statement in the abstract, despite the fact that you know full well it refers to specifics.

Your response reveals the crux of the issue that you are having with folks here -- you don't see your repeated misdialings of 911 as an issue. I see miscalling 911 as something bad while you either don't care or are happy to keep doing it because you can blame RIM.

If your phone was dialing your Mom's number, then most folks here would have been in total agreement with you. But that's not what is happening and you couldn't be bothered to take simple steps to prevent it.

It is also very revealing that you carry an umbrella everywhere so that *you* don't get wet, but that you can't be bothered to take simple precautions to prevent your continuing misuse of emergency services.

Maybe we should just take up a collection to get you a new phone -- that way you aren't inconvenienced and *we* can be the ones to take responsibility instead of you.

[Ed_McCarron]

Nobody goes around taking preventative measures for every possible bad thing that could happen as soon as he learns of the possibility.  

Wha?  You don't wear a condom all day just in case you get the chance to have sex?

[Zakk]

I remember the first time I was chumming for sharks off the coast of Ohope.  The guy kept saying "you should do that from inside the boat".  Well wasn't he right!  I just wish I'd listened, because the 10th time I did it, I lost a leg to a great white named blinky.  Man, did I feel stupid that day!

[Ed_McCarron]

The amount of emergency service time I've wasted is measured in seconds, not minutes.

Fast cop, if he made it to your neighbors house, investigated, and did the paperwork required in seconds.

[CheffoJeffo]

But you are still missing the point.  I don't care at all about the 911 time that I personally have wasted.  The amount of emergency service time I've wasted is measured in seconds, not minutes.  It's completely negligible and you're just being a drama queen.  When you look at the wasted resources cumulatively, yeah, it's substantial.  But that's a problem that only Blackberry's can fix, and it's a problem that they should fix, because it is their mistake.

And there is absolutely nothing unreasonable about my irritation that a product that I purchased doesn't work the way it should.  And frankly, there's nothing unreasonable about my failure to apply highest priority to correcting a problem that is fairly minuscule.  I got to it eventually.  You're acting like the building was on fire and I sat around watching it burn instead of trying to escape when I had the chance.  Again, that's just the drama queen in you.

Drama Queen ?

Who is the one crying like a child about their bloody cellphone and how inconvenient it is, but that they shouldn't have to buy another one or worry about anything ?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

PS -- one day you really need to spend some time working with first responders as they waste time chasing around other losers who can't make their phones work -- maybe then you will understand what I'm talking about.

[shardian]

This thread hurts my brain...

[leapinlew]

Hmm . . . something about that insult makes it sting less than it should.  What could it be . . . ?   

And yet here I am... someone who can work his phone. Funny how life works.

[saint]

[HaRuMaN]

What he said

[Zakk]

See, saint is annoyed that the guy can't see that calling emergency services for no reason is wrong too!

[HaRuMaN]

Personally, I think someone in this thread is jumping at the chance to pass on the idiot trophy he won when he got stumped laying wood in a truck.

 

[Ed_McCarron]

Personally, I think someone in this thread is jumping at the chance to pass on the idiot trophy he won when he got stumped laying wood in a truck.

Coulda been worse.  You could have said "Getting wood in a truck"

I hope you have a macro for that.

[ChadTower]

That's because I usually lay wood in the back seat!  The truck bed is too knobby.

[ark_ader]

Saint I'm already there.  I could quote you all day today.   

I think we have a solution for Mr Shmokes and his Pearl issue:

[CCM]

or maybe this is the answer:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNdw4CfbwQg[/youtube]

[shmokes]

Who is the one crying like a child

In this thread?  Shrug.  Not me.  I did complain about a problem that a simple google search shows is shared by hundreds, maybe thousands of other people, though.  Is that what you're talking about?  Cos I'm not crying.  I hardly even care about it.  Remember . . . I let it happen 6-10 times before even doing ANYTHING!!!   

[shmokes]

It is also very revealing that you carry an umbrella everywhere so that *you* don't get wet, but that you can't be bothered to take simple precautions to prevent your continuing misuse of emergency services.

Actually I just live in Miami.  It's tropical.  Sunny one minute, pouring rain the next, clear skies and sunny fifteen minutes later, pouring rain five minutes after that.  I moved here from the desert.  I didn't carry an umbrella in the desert.  The umbrella is a higher priority now because it rains so frequently here.  Similarly my phone was a lower priority because the problem occurred so infrequently.  It's rarely on my mind, last couple days excluded, LOL.

BTW, any particular reason you're taking this so personally?   I'm pretty sure you've decided you hate me over this.  That's unhealthy.  Have a beer. 

[CheffoJeffo]

Nah, I don't hate you ... I was a little punchy yesterday and your lack of respect for the folks in emergency services is one of those things that really sets me off.

[ChadTower]

I love how getting wet from an act of nature is comparable to calling emergency services on the phone.   

[Zakk]

  I moved here from the desert.  I didn't carry an umbrella in the desert. 

Even though I've decided that you are actually an ignorant, self important jackass because of this thread, I have to admit that bit there is quite funny. 

[ark_ader]

  I moved here from the desert.  I didn't carry an umbrella in the desert. 

Even though I've decided that you are actually an ignorant, self important jackass because of this thread, I have to admit that bit there is quite funny. 

I used to live in Las Vegas - An Umbrella is quite important, especially if you leave your hat in the car in the summer.  Those mini fold-up ones can save your life.

Umbrella = odd looks and stares, especially walking down the Strip.

Sun Stroke = Death or expensive medical bills.  Laughs from your friends and co-workers.

[Zakk]

  I moved here from the desert.  I didn't carry an umbrella in the desert. 

Even though I've decided that you are actually an ignorant, self important jackass because of this thread, I have to admit that bit there is quite funny. 

I used to live in Las Vegas - An Umbrella is quite important, especially if you leave your hat in the car in the summer.  Those mini fold-up ones can save your life.

Umbrella = odd looks and stares, especially walking down the Strip.

Sun Stroke = Death or expensive medical bills.  Laughs from your friends and co-workers.

I've heard that you can burn your head so bad that your brains leak out in a yellow ooze and put you in the hospital for a week.  THANK GOD I'VE NEVER ACCIDENTALLY SEEN A PICTURE OF THAT!!!!

[shmokes]

I love how getting wet from an act of nature is comparable to calling emergency services on the phone.   

Who said it was comparable.  I'm trying to say they're NOT comparable.  Hence I addressed the one and ignored the other.   

[shmokes]

I used to live in Las Vegas . . .

I was in Southern Utah (Cedar City), about 2 1/2 hours away from Vegas.  The desert I lived in isn't nearly as bad as the desert you lived in.  We topped out at about 105 degrees in the summer.  I worked in St. George, which came closer to Vegas, though.  Unacceptably hot.  And dry.

[ChadTower]

jim's getting desperate.  Every time he trots that out it gets less and less worthwhile to him.   

[Ed_McCarron]

Sheesh.  Even I gave up on the loading wood jokes.