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Author Topic: What to look for when buying individual capacitors from Mouser?  (Read 1945 times)

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What to look for when buying individual capacitors from Mouser?
« on: February 13, 2009, 09:07:09 pm »
I'm putting together a cap kit for a monitor I have never been able to find an existing kit for on the internet (Pentranic 1125). I have all my values written, but I don't know what to buy. Which manufacturers make quality products? How much should I pay? A single cap can be anywhere from 3 to 30 cents from what I've seen. Obviously I want something that will last, but I'd also like to keep the price down.

As for manufacturer, I've been seeing a lot of Xicon, Nichicon, and United Chemi-con. Should I even be worried about who "made" it? 
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Re: What to look for when buying individual capacitors from Mouser?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 09:16:28 pm »
Xicon and Nichicon are familiar brands to me.

Go with 105 degree caps. (typical is 85)
uf rating must be exact
voltage rating can be equal or higher but NEVER lower
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Re: What to look for when buying individual capacitors from Mouser?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 09:26:21 pm »
Does it matter if they are classified as Audio electrolytic or low impedance electrolytic?
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Re: What to look for when buying individual capacitors from Mouser?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 09:36:34 pm »
For SMPS outputs and rectifier outputs, low-impedance types are sometimes required for control loop stability and can result in lower ripple.  Otherwise, it's not usually critical.  In some rare occasions, using low-impedance caps can actually cause instability and oscillation.  Unless you know you need a low-impedance type, often best to just go with a "generic" type; they're usually cheaper anyway.

Audio caps are designed such that the parasitics (ESR, ESL, etc.) tend to cancel each other out and give flat impedance across the audio band (DC-20kHz).  The specification isn't generally worth paying for in a monitor application, but can give moderately (as in sometimes measurable using equipment, but rarely the human ear) better performance in audio applications.

I'm not a huge fan of Xicon caps, but they work fine.  Nichicon is something of the "gold standard", but I'm also fond of Panasonic/ECG (I don't think Mouser sells these, but Digi-Key does, and Digi-Key no longer has a $25 minimum).  Both Nichicon and Panasonic seem to take a much harder line on specs like voltage, ripple current, and temperature, while the "lesser" names seem to let things fly a little.  I think this is kinda like hard drive brand preference, though.  Lots of hearsay, and not much foundation in actual reality.

Nippon Chemi-Con/United Chemi-Con seem to sometimes be your only option for high-capacitance, high-voltage caps often used in rectifier outputs.  They seem to work OK, but products I've designed with them have not had much "field time".

Like Kevin said, if you can fit them in, go with the 105C temp spec.  They'll tend to last longer.  It's usually worth the extra few cents to never have to do this again.  They also tend to be bigger, so review case sizes.  Mouser is famous for getting the parametric data in their search wrong on electrolytic caps, so consult the actual datasheet.

Capacitance (uF) rating must be exact in many applications.  Pay some attention to tolerances: electrolytics are sold with varying tolerance ranges.  +/- 20% is the typical "good and centered" range, and is appropriate in most applications.  For rectifier outputs, you'll usually want to shoot for the +50%/-10% type.  In some cases, it's OK to futz with capacitance some, but you need to take that on a case-by-case basis: only consider this if you simply cannot find an exact replacement or have other reason to do it.

Voltage rating, like Kevin said, is pretty straightforward.  Same or higher than what you're replacing.  If you're replacing something that's already been replaced, try to find a parts sheet as it may be that somebody has already overspec'd.  Rarely hurts to overspec voltage and can make the cap last longer, however, higher voltage tends to mean bigger caps, so again make sure it'll fit.
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Re: What to look for when buying individual capacitors from Mouser?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 09:44:48 pm »
Wow sweet guide there. I was able to easily find everything as an exact replacement except for the 30uf @ 25 V. They don't even have a 30uf @ greater than or equal to 25V in stock. I got my whole order found and in my cart, and this was the last on the list.  :angry: Oh well, that gives me an excuse to check out Digi-Key.

Also, when y'all say 105C, are you talking about maximum temp or lifetime at temp?
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Re: What to look for when buying individual capacitors from Mouser?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 09:54:28 pm »
Heh, I tend to prefer Mouser to Digi-Key.  They have nicer customer service (they spent a half-hour on the phone with me trying to cross reference something so that I could buy 10 of them at a whopping 20 cents or so each...not kidding), slightly better prices, and they don't charge sales tax on shipments to most states.  However, their stocked selection isn't nearly as good as Digi-Key, so I sometimes find myself having to buy from Digi-Key simply for that reason.  Now that Digi-Key has eliminated the $5 fee on orders less than $25, it's not so bad, but you still have to pay the sales tax, and their unit prices tend to be slightly higher.

Mouser also eliminated USPS 1st Class as a shipment option (priority w/ tracker is their only USPS option, now), and Digi-Key recently added it.  Who knows what's going on.

Regarding temp spec, it's usually maximum operating temp that's 105C or 85C, however they will often give a lifetime spec at that temp, too.

30uF is something of a strange value.  33uF is far more common.  You may be able to sub one.  What's the application?

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Re: What to look for when buying individual capacitors from Mouser?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2009, 10:08:40 pm »
Oh shi-

I misread the cap itself. Its a 330 @ 25.

Well, I will be going back and checking everything else now. I didn't have the actual schems for this set until a few days ago (this list was made months ago). All I had was a magnifying glass and a bright light to see what was on the chassis...

Mouser has tons of these in stock  ;D
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Re: What to look for when buying individual capacitors from Mouser?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2009, 04:34:23 am »
The Panasonics are considered really good in the DIY audio world. And again, go for 105 degrees. The higher the temp, the better long-lasting quality.