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Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« on: December 22, 2008, 02:58:01 pm »
PacMan, PacMan, Oh what have they done to thee?

It was about 2000 or 2001.  I was working as a software developer in the mergers and acquistions department, and a buddy of mine named Joe came to visit me at my cube.  In his hands he held two compact disks.  In Sharpie MAME ROMS DISK ONE was scrawled across one.  The other said MAME ROMS DISK TWO.

"What's this?" I asked.

I could see excitement on his face, but there was something else.  Lack of sleep.  The poor slog had been up all night.

"You're not going to believe it," he said.

I was a contractor in those days, billing by the hour, up to my neck in deadlines and responsibilty.  So I did the only thing one could do.  I put in disk one and fired it up.  Sure enough, I didn't believe it.  There, on those two unassuming disks, were the games of my youth, staring up at me like an old friend long forgotten.

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Fast forward about 8 years.  An email arrives from Mike, another old friend.  He wants to know if I'll take an old arcade cabinet off his hands.  He got it for free off the curb during a neighborhood cleanup day, but he didn't restore it like he told his wife he would, and after a year of it gathering dust, she's making him get rid of it.  It's a working TriviaWhiz PCB, but it's in a PacMan cocktail cabinet.  The monitor is original PacMan, but it's badly, badly burned.  The PacMan PCB is long gone, as are the PacMan controls.  The CP is original PacMan, but it's been drilled with extra holes and it's pretty much done for.  Still, the cabinet isn't bad overall.  If I'll take it off his hands, it's free.

I tell him I'll take it.  I tell him I'll be over some time next week.  Or the week after.  Weeks and weeks pass, and I almost forget about the thing.

Then one day I get an email from him about lunch.  A bunch of us meet, we eat, and when the meal is over there's a mixup with the ride situation, and I have to take Mike home.  I get to his house, and he starts dragging this thing out of his garage.  I am tentative.  The thing looks like a giant piece of junk, and I have a lot of junk already.  Too much junk, in fact.  But I peer over my shoulder and see his wife.  She's standing behind the screen door, watching us.  Her arms are crossed, and she's tapping her foot.  She's a red head, and I know that there's no way I'm getting out of his driveway without that thing in my truck.  I take it home.

Later in the day my wife returns from picking up my 3-year-old at preschool, and she asks me, "What is that in the back of your truck?"

"Don't ask," I say, and I go outside and move it into the garage.  A couple months go by.

One day my neighbor comes over and tells me he's having a garage sale.  "Got anything you want to sell?" he asks me.

Hmmm.  Maybe I do, I think, and I drag the cabinet into the driveway.  I run a drop cord and plug it in.  In the bright sunshine I can't even tell if it plays, but when I shield the screen I eventually see a picture.  Raunchy sex trivia.  I slap a $70 price tag on it.  My neighbor gives me an odd look.  I shrug, go back into the house.

By early afternoon, I begin to hope it doesn’t sell.  If it doesn't sell, I decide, it's a sign from God himself.  God is a huge PacMan fan, I've decided this will mean.

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And that was the birth of my project.  I can't even guess how many dozens of MAME cabinets I've planned out in my head since the day Joe brought me those disks.  I've even put pencil to paper and almost left the house to buy plywood (a couple of times).  But I've never quite pulled the trigger.  Until now.

This is the point in every project where the builder has to ask himself a very serious question.  2 MAME or not 2 MAME.  Perhaps some will disagree with my decision to MAME a PacMan, but I think it was the right thing to do for me personally.  Here's why.  First of all, the game I received was not a PacMan.  It wasn't branded PacMan, and I had to open it up and investigate the tags to even know it ever was a PacMan.  So it's not like I'm sticking a dagger in PacMan's heart.  That was already done in 1985 by whoever converted it to TriviaWhiz.

Plus, even though it was a PacMan, the serial number is 8678.  I feel that gives me a bit more latitude.  If the thing was serial number 102, I'd probably feel like I had a duty to restore it to its original glory and donate it to the Smithsonian.

Another thing is that I don't really like to play PacMan.  I really like Ms. PacMan, but I couldn't see dedicating a year or more of my life to a game that I'd don't enjoy that much.  On that point, I am aware that there are 60-1 boards you can buy, but my tastes actually span many manufacturers.  My favorites games are Ms. Pac Man, Donkey Kong, Burger Time, Frogger, 10 Yard Fight, QIX, Super PunchOut, PuzzleBobble, Tetris.  Plus I love Visual Pinball and Future Pinball.  And unless I can play all those on my machine, I'll always view the machine as a bit of a disappointment.

I've spent a fair amount of time lurking at the Restorations forum, and while guys like Level42 have my utmost respect, it's worth noting that most of those guys own a MAME cab and then also restore the classic cabs for collecting purposes.  This isn't a reality for me.  I consider myself to be more of a 1-cabinet kind of guy since my Valley pool table and 1 cabinet are about as much space as I'm ever going to be able to devote.  So it's important to me that one cab does as much as possible.

Those are contributing reasons I went with MAME on this project, but the main reason was simply one of practicality.  I know absolutely nothing about arcade machines.  However, I'm a software developer by trade, and I have quite a bit of PC gaming hardware knowledge.  So the MAME route is much, much more comfortable territory for me.  Also, I had practically everything I needed for the MAME conversion without spending a penny.  I don't mean to be a cheapskate, but let's face it.  A full-on PacMan restoration would be expensive.  I'd need a new PCB/ROMS and also a new arcade monitor.  I'd probably be $600-700 poorer when I was done.

So with some guilt I chose to MAME my cabinet.  However, I decided early on that I would do whatever it took to preserve as much of PacMan's original iconism.  I also decided that if possible I'd try to use the word iconism at least once during the project.  What does this mean, you ask?  Well, I guess it just means that I'm keeping the door open for a future PacMan conversion and that I'm going out of my way NOT to deface the original equipment.  Also, any parts I remove will be stored, not thrown away.

So, without further ado, here are my BEFORE pics.  This is what the game looked like when I took possession.  I'm at about 50% completion, but I want to make a point to document my build with some precision, so I may go slowly with my posts.

More to come!

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Re: Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2008, 03:01:24 pm »
Incoming flames in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...  :blowup:

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Re: Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2008, 04:13:51 pm »
 :hissy: I am so jelious about the cab you have been given. Believe me here in greece many people would kill to have an original cab like yours.
Post as many photoes you can of your progress and it will be a great mame cab.
Have a good start.

oh by the way......... :hissy: :hissy: :hissy: :hissy: :angry:

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Re: Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2008, 08:22:16 pm »
I think he is going about it the right way. He is not hacking it all to hell.  :-\

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Re: Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2008, 06:26:59 pm »
Thanks for support and kind words so far.  I certainly feel lucky to have come by this machine in this manner, and I want to do a good job.

My idea is to do a restore that (from the exterior) is indistinguishable from factory Pac-Man.  I'll have player one and player two control panels that are spot-on original.  In addition to these two control panels, however, I'll make a third control panel that is Pac-Man themed but that is more modern.  I'll swap these out when I need to, and I'll probably play this third control panel 90% of the time.

I've made a mock-up of a control panel that's getting close.  I had some extra walnut laying around and wanted to use it.  This is my third try so far.   :)



So here's where I need some advice from all you.  This is what some fruit-eating bar owner did to Pac-Man's original control panels.  Are these salvageable?









If they are or aren't, any advice is helpful.  Thanks in advance.




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Re: Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2008, 07:24:56 pm »
All metal is salvageable  if you are good at metal work. I'm not but I would get a thin piece of metal some how attach it to the back(I think by something called liquid weld or something like that) then re-drill the holes you need and bondo the rest.

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Re: Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2008, 10:57:13 pm »
Yep people use JB weld to attach a piece of metal to cover the holes and then use bondo to make a new surface.  I'm sure someone will post the link to the frogger cp to jamma patch job if not I'll try and find it for you.


I honestly don't see why people are getting upset by his work.  Its not like the cab is an upright with amazing sideart.  The only questionable thing is putting pinball games on it.  I understand why he's doing it but the end result probably won't sit well with me.  I'm not saying you shouldn't do it I'm just saying the viewing angle and controls might look awkward.

If you decide repairing those cps will be too much work replacements are available from quartercade though that might bring the cost of the project above any budget you might have set.

As someone who wanted a cocktail such as this I look forward to your progress pics.

May I ask what that db9 connector is for?
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Re: Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2008, 10:23:31 am »
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May I ask what that db9 connector is for?

lol.  My Atari 2600 Contoller, of course.  I prefer to play Stella with the original controller.  I wired it so it duplicated the input from my joystick.  I had grand ideas of my holding the 2600 joystick while my daughter (4 years old) played Donkey Kong.  I'd try to "help her out" of tough spots.  That's why it's a prototype, I guess, because this wasn't practical.  She doesn't hold still much, and we canceled each other out more than anything.

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The only questionable thing is putting pinball games on it.

Regarding pinball, I just want to say that I'm NOT going to drill flipper holes into this thing.  I just don't have the heart.  Not sure how I'm going to handle that to be honest.  I do want to play pinball....

Thanks for the info on the JB Weld.  I'll read up on past projects.  I have a feeling with this many errant holes a replacement might be in my future.  I may check around with shops that bend metal locally and see if I can get a deal that will beat the price of blanks I've seen.

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Re: Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2008, 11:57:26 am »
Good luck with it  :)

Are you dead set on 6 buttons? I can't see many 6 button vertical games on MAWS that I would want to play.

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Re: Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2008, 02:51:43 pm »
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Are you dead set on 6 buttons? I can't see many 6 button vertical games on MAWS that I would want to play.

To be really honest with you, I'm not dead set on anything. :dunno  I'm ashamed to admit this, but out of all those buttons, the only ones I have wired up are the two red ones.  Even so, I've been able to play almost everything I really enjoy.  So perhaps that's a sign that six buttons are overkill. :-[

Will people laugh at me if I admit that I've been playing a few horizontal games on my cab?  I haven't decided on an OS yet, but for now I'm just using iRotate in Windows XP and launching the games in Mame32UI.  With that setup horizontal games work fine.  On my 19" CRT monitor they only fill an area of the screen that's about 7.5 x 10 (12.5 corner to corner).  So we're talking roughly the same size as a 13" TV.  Plus I'm a sloucher, so when I play my eyes are only 14 inches from the center of the screen.  Obviously head to head two-player stuff is out, but I think the screen is acceptable for horizontal games.


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Re: Converted PacMan Cocktail to MAME Cab
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2008, 04:29:23 pm »
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Are you dead set on 6 buttons? I can't see many 6 button vertical games on MAWS that I would want to play.

To be really honest with you, I'm not dead set on anything. :dunno  I'm ashamed to admit this, but out of all those buttons, the only ones I have wired up are the two red ones.  Even so, I've been able to play almost everything I really enjoy.  So perhaps that's a sign that six buttons are overkill. :-[

Will people laugh at me if I admit that I've been playing a few horizontal games on my cab?

Six is too many for vertical games - the most I think you will ever need is 4 (Vanguard).  For horizontal you might need six - but IIRC the kind of horizontal games that need six buttons are usually fighters, and for those you really need to be able to get two players side-to-side to have much fun.

However, some horizontal games DO work well on a vertical cabinet, as long as you re-map the controls to fit the new orientation - check out the very bottom list on this wiki page: http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Lists  (Consider adding enough controls to support three players in Super Sprint or four on Warlords, it's worth it!)

Of course it's your cab, so you can play whatever you want on it.  What I would do is design it for the vertical games you want to play, and then throw on the horizontal ones that still work with your button choices.  Later on if you build an upright horizontal cabinet, you won't end up with useless buttons on the cocktail when you remove the horizontal games from it.

EDIT:  I should add that MAWS is wrong on the button search a lot of times - for example, it lists Heavy Barrel as needing 5 buttons, when it's really 2 or 3 + rotating joystick.  Be sure to check the History section to get a second opinion on how many buttons are needed to play.  And don't forget that you can get creative with mapping buttons for certain games - for example, on my cabinet Hold on Warlords is mapped over 1P Start (else I wouldn't have enough buttons!)
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