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where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« on: December 17, 2008, 07:45:49 pm »
I couldn't fix the damn monitor on my cab, and when i was trying something out i broke the neck,   :banghead: bad bad luck  :banghead:  now I'm looking to buy a monitor for it but i cant seem to find one cheaper then 450 dollars, so i was wondering if anyone knows a site where they sell them for less, since i got pending transaction here, i cant buy here until i fix my bussines. Any help is appreciated.
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2008, 07:52:18 pm »
i could not modify my message, anyway, will a 29 inch TV fit on the cabinet plastic bezel, Cu's if so i can get cheap TVs here, thanks allot.
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 07:58:35 pm »
its the shape of the bezel,you will need a curved tube

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 08:06:04 pm »
its the shape of the bezel,you will need a curved tube
any 29 tv , curved?
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 02:52:26 pm »
There are plenty of 29" TV's laying around.  They will be marketed at a 27" in the US though.

Check tv repair shops around where you live, they usually have a few available for sale.  Of course there is always ebay and craigslist.

Also, this guy put a D9800 in a blast city:

http://arcadeotaku.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1819

I think it looks fine with the foam he used to fill in the gaps in the bezel. 
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 03:53:05 pm »
so when you get your 29" tv how do you intend to run the signal

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 05:53:41 pm »
This is probably the best option if you go with a TV.

http://www.jrok.com/hardware/RGB.html


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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 06:31:00 pm »
From what I can see, the one Yaton (Y-Plus) sells is the same thing (different PCB layout, same major components) and only costs like $25, which is well less than what jrok charges (or at least used to - I see no price on his website any more).  I think the ADI part (nobody seems to use it) does a better job than the Rohm part, but at $25 it's hard to argue.

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2008, 06:34:35 pm »
there is a dual sync 15/24 chassis available that fits any tv except sony,i am told it has an amazing quality pic

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2008, 02:24:08 pm »
There are plenty of 29" TV's laying around.  They will be marketed at a 27" in the US though.

Check tv repair shops around where you live, they usually have a few available for sale.  Of course there is always ebay and craigslist.

Also, this guy put a D9800 in a blast city:

http://arcadeotaku.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1819

I think it looks fine with the foam he used to fill in the gaps in the bezel. 
ill look on sunday for a tv that fits the bezel, i like the idea of a flat screen but, too much money for now
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2008, 02:25:37 pm »
there is a dual sync 15/24 chassis available that fits any tv except sony,i am told it has an amazing quality pic
im planing to use  a s-vid vablebut that chassis will be way better, if you can tell me where to get it, please, thanks allot.
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2008, 02:30:53 pm »
jomac in australia has them

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2008, 09:08:34 pm »
jomac in australia has them
thanks allot for your help  :afro:
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2008, 09:46:46 pm »
so did you ever pay Goz?

I'm guessing since you are dropping coin on a new project you have settled past debts....

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2008, 09:49:57 pm »
nope still owes me $50 but can afford a astro monitor and to start and finish a bartop project.

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2008, 09:52:24 pm »
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2008, 09:58:08 pm »
Hey Denver, you related to horseboy?

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2008, 10:04:32 pm »
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since i got pending transaction here, i cant buy here until i fix my bussines


Seems to me if you took care of your "business", you might be able to find the monitor you were looking for. Karma is a ---smurfette---!

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2008, 01:42:46 pm »
nope still owes me $50 but can afford a astro monitor and to start and finish a bartop project.
hey goz , if i remember i sent you a pm like a month ago asking you if you wannit me to pay you the 50 bucks, i was no longer be able to send you the game pcb, but im still in a good situation and willing to send your money, just pm your info, thanks allot.
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2008, 07:26:53 pm »
i could not modify my message, anyway, will a 29 inch TV fit on the cabinet plastic bezel, Cu's if so i can get cheap TVs here, thanks allot.

I've done exactly this and it is actually much harder than it seems.  Unless you get a tube of exactly the same size and shape as the original, you'll have to do some modifications to the hard black plastic bezel which is both a pain and very time consuming.  What I did was to fit a Philips 29" tube, only to find that minor shape differences meant that the top lid would not close down properly  :banghead:

A better bet might be to find an old 29" Toshiba TV, dead or alive, as I understand that Nanao sourced their tubes for the Astros from Toshiba. This way the tube is more likely to fit your Astro, and might even have the right yoke characteristics for your monitor chassis.  Look at the dump or revolve/recycling station, scout ebay etc, All you need is a good screen, the rest can be kaput.  There might even be other brand TVs that used Toshiba screens. 

Even if the Toshiba tube won't work with your chassis, Joey at Jomac can probably fix you up with a new dual-res chassis at a reasonable price.

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2009, 02:06:45 am »
nope still owes me $50 but can afford a astro monitor and to start and finish a bartop project.
hey goz , if i remember i sent you a pm like a month ago asking you if you wannit me to pay you the 50 bucks, i was no longer be able to send you the game pcb, but im still in a good situation and willing to send your money, just pm your info, thanks allot.

Dude... If you actually make good on this, it will be the first time since I've been here that someone actually followed through and forsaked their dooshness. You might actually be eligible for some fair treatment.

Good on ya'... but ONLY if you make good I suppose.

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2009, 02:18:26 am »
nope still owes me $50 but can afford a astro monitor and to start and finish a bartop project.
hey goz , if i remember i sent you a pm like a month ago asking you if you wannit me to pay you the 50 bucks, i was no longer be able to send you the game pcb, but im still in a good situation and willing to send your money, just pm your info, thanks allot.

wait wat? so you are FINALLY going to pay up? Goz seriously let me know when you get paid on this past due account...

FYI for those who aren't in the know:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=78174.0

this should shed some light in the situation that hijacked this thread...

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basically until Goz get paid past due and whatever he feels is enough compensation, Denverlatino is not worth the trouble helping out.....

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2009, 07:39:41 am »
I just read the old thread.  That was back in June (2008!), and the guy still hasn't paid Goz back! Asking for payment details at this late stage seems pretty lame as he must have them already, you would think, and not have to post a forum message about it as a poor excuse.

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2009, 11:42:24 am »
i could not modify my message, anyway, will a 29 inch TV fit on the cabinet plastic bezel, Cu's if so i can get cheap TVs here, thanks allot.

I've done exactly this and it is actually much harder than it seems.  Unless you get a tube of exactly the same size and shape as the original, you'll have to do some modifications to the hard black plastic bezel which is both a pain and very time consuming.  What I did was to fit a Philips 29" tube, only to find that minor shape differences meant that the top lid would not close down properly  :banghead:

A better bet might be to find an old 29" Toshiba TV, dead or alive, as I understand that Nanao sourced their tubes for the Astros from Toshiba. This way the tube is more likely to fit your Astro, and might even have the right yoke characteristics for your monitor chassis.  Look at the dump or revolve/recycling station, scout ebay etc, All you need is a good screen, the rest can be kaput.  There might even be other brand TVs that used Toshiba screens. 

Even if the Toshiba tube won't work with your chassis, Joey at Jomac can probably fix you up with a new dual-res chassis at a reasonable price.


thanks for the advice,

about my issue with goz, it might not be any of anyone bussines, but last month i sent goz a pm where i stated i was in a good situation to pay his money, i was no longer able to sent him a pcb he ask me before, after that i never recieved a message from him and i am still waiting, im not hiding , im not running this time, i made my apologize public, what ealse can i do?
im trying to be someone good  but looks like everytime i do something, some moron comes out and screems something and call me names for an issue its not even theyr problem or know any info on the progress.

so once again i ask goz here, send me your info so i can pay you
And to Alexc member of this board, i know i own you as well and i ask you the same thing like 3 months ago, i got your cds and will refound your money ass well. thanks allot.
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2009, 02:45:27 pm »
i could not modify my message, anyway, will a 29 inch TV fit on the cabinet plastic bezel, Cu's if so i can get cheap TVs here, thanks allot.

I've done exactly this and it is actually much harder than it seems.  Unless you get a tube of exactly the same size and shape as the original, you'll have to do some modifications to the hard black plastic bezel which is both a pain and very time consuming.  What I did was to fit a Philips 29" tube, only to find that minor shape differences meant that the top lid would not close down properly  :banghead:

A better bet might be to find an old 29" Toshiba TV, dead or alive, as I understand that Nanao sourced their tubes for the Astros from Toshiba. This way the tube is more likely to fit your Astro, and might even have the right yoke characteristics for your monitor chassis.  Look at the dump or revolve/recycling station, scout ebay etc, All you need is a good screen, the rest can be kaput.  There might even be other brand TVs that used Toshiba screens. 

Even if the Toshiba tube won't work with your chassis, Joey at Jomac can probably fix you up with a new dual-res chassis at a reasonable price.


thanks for the advice,

about my issue with goz, it might not be any of anyone bussines, but last month i sent goz a pm where i stated i was in a good situation to pay his money, i was no longer able to sent him a pcb he ask me before, after that i never recieved a message from him and i am still waiting, im not hiding , im not running this time, i made my apologize public, what ealse can i do?
im trying to be someone good  but looks like everytime i do something, some moron comes out and screems something and call me names for an issue its not even theyr problem or know any info on the progress.

so once again i ask goz here, send me your info so i can pay you
And to Alexc member of this board, i know i own you as well and i ask you the same thing like 3 months ago, i got your cds and will refound your money ass well. thanks allot.

I just saw your reply thanks to another member of this board sending me a PM. This probably the best way to get someones attention. Instead of posting in a thread.

Javier,

 I don't see a PM from a month ago that you mention.

I'll send you a PM with my paypal account info.

Thanks,

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2009, 04:30:19 pm »
i could not modify my message, anyway, will a 29 inch TV fit on the cabinet plastic bezel, Cu's if so i can get cheap TVs here, thanks allot.

I've done exactly this and it is actually much harder than it seems.  Unless you get a tube of exactly the same size and shape as the original, you'll have to do some modifications to the hard black plastic bezel which is both a pain and very time consuming.  What I did was to fit a Philips 29" tube, only to find that minor shape differences meant that the top lid would not close down properly  :banghead:

A better bet might be to find an old 29" Toshiba TV, dead or alive, as I understand that Nanao sourced their tubes for the Astros from Toshiba. This way the tube is more likely to fit your Astro, and might even have the right yoke characteristics for your monitor chassis.  Look at the dump or revolve/recycling station, scout ebay etc, All you need is a good screen, the rest can be kaput.  There might even be other brand TVs that used Toshiba screens. 

Even if the Toshiba tube won't work with your chassis, Joey at Jomac can probably fix you up with a new dual-res chassis at a reasonable price.


thanks for the advice,

about my issue with goz, it might not be any of anyone bussines, but last month i sent goz a pm where i stated i was in a good situation to pay his money, i was no longer able to sent him a pcb he ask me before, after that i never recieved a message from him and i am still waiting, im not hiding , im not running this time, i made my apologize public, what ealse can i do?
im trying to be someone good  but looks like everytime i do something, some moron comes out and screems something and call me names for an issue its not even theyr problem or know any info on the progress.

so once again i ask goz here, send me your info so i can pay you
And to Alexc member of this board, i know i own you as well and i ask you the same thing like 3 months ago, i got your cds and will refound your money ass well. thanks allot.

I just saw your reply thanks to another member of this board sending me a PM. This probably the best way to get someones attention. Instead of posting in a thread.

Javier,

 I don't see a PM from a month ago that you mention.

I'll send you a PM with my paypal account info.

Thanks,

-G
are you ignoring my pms cus i still donthave your info, fell free to mail me at ode1979@yahoo.com
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2009, 05:14:09 pm »
Sent an email... got a strange response which sounded like paypal wasn't an option. Sent follow up email with mailing address.

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2009, 06:14:04 pm »
Well since paypal would be the only way I trust it would happen. I'm not holding my breath....

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2009, 07:49:55 pm »
Well since paypal would be the only way I trust it would happen. I'm not holding my breath....
i lost my paypal account, i no longer had the card i used , that why im doing M.O.

since this got way off topic i started a new one so you or anyone can follow this up.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=88070.0
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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2009, 09:09:01 pm »
since this got way off topic i started a new one so you or anyone can follow this up.

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Re: where to buy a 29inch monitor for an astrocity cab
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2009, 09:39:42 pm »
since this got way off topic i started a new one so you or anyone can follow this up.

You can count on me to not bother.  Your avatar gives me a headache anyway.

I have a hunch it will follow him until this is resolved ... it hasn't been 6 months, but rather 4 YEARS and 6 months ...

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=20544.0

Each time it comes up, DL evades and then comes back later as if nothing has happened until someone points it out to him.

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