Author Topic: Vertical Bartop. Unnamed! Now Named!!!...GRANDSTAND (Read 12811 times)

lettuce · « **on:** August 31, 2008, 07:18:46 pm »

Being playing around with the idea of making a MAME bartop for vertical games. This will be my first Bartop project, been messing around with Google SketchUp, and come up with this design....

I shall being using a LCD monitor either 19" or 20" mounted vertically, i wanted to also add a spinner to the CP by by looking at that rough diagram there wont be enough room for one with the current design! The first thing i am going to have to do is source a decent LCD screen before any building can begin.

javeryh · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2008, 08:30:37 pm »

I can't wait to see your progress on this one - I'm a big fan of bartops.

I bought a 19" Dell refurb from their site and it's been fantastic.

dmworking247 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2008, 10:23:37 pm »

I'd recommend you make a scale model out of cardboard or something.

I'm about a week off finishing a vertical bartop and I used a 17" LCD. I could have squeezed in a 19, but many many people advised me against it.

Now that its built I'd have to agree, on a bartop you're a lot closer to the screen and 17" looks huge, let alone 20"... your whole bartop would be proportionately larger, perhaps even big enough for 2 player controls.

Food for thought....

lettuce · « **Reply #3 on:** September 01, 2008, 11:57:22 am »

Quote from: javeryh on August 31, 2008, 08:30:37 pm

I can't wait to see your progress on this one - I'm a big fan of bartops.

I bought a 19" Dell refurb from their site and it's been fantastic.

Cheers, can you remember what model dell monitor you used, as blanka was staying that i should try and aviod TN Panel LCD screens, which the majority of 17" & 19" monitors are, what are the view angles, colour and contrast like?

Quote from: dmworking247 on August 31, 2008, 10:23:37 pm

I'd recommend you make a scale model out of cardboard or something.

I'm about a week off finishing a vertical bartop and I used a 17" LCD. I could have squeezed in a 19, but many many people advised me against it.

Now that its built I'd have to agree, on a bartop you're a lot closer to the screen and 17" looks huge, let alone 20"... your whole bartop would be proportionately larger, perhaps even big enough for 2 player controls.

Food for thought....

I was thinking that, thats why i decided to go for a 19", i wanted to get a 20" as i was struggling getting a NON TN Panel LCD screen in any other size, and thought that 17" would be on the small size, so went for the middle ground.

The diagram above is with a 19" screen and there looks to be just enough room for 1 player controls, doesnt even look like theres enough room for a spinner i wanted to add

, wouldnt of thought that the scale would increase that much to be able to get a 2nd set on controls on there if i went for an inch larger screen would there??

lettuce · « **Reply #4 on:** September 02, 2008, 06:37:34 pm »

Been playing around a bit more in GoogleSketch, and now have 3 designs not sure which one to build i think i like Barcab 3 the best...

punxrus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 02, 2008, 06:45:51 pm »

I really like #3. The lines are simple yet elegant and almost give an old school feel to the cabinet. Good work!

bishmasterb · « **Reply #6 on:** September 02, 2008, 07:03:03 pm »

I really like #3.

I think a convex half-cylinder shaped marquee (matching the outline of the cabinet) would look great on it.

punxrus · « **Reply #7 on:** September 02, 2008, 07:14:36 pm »

Quote from: bishmasterb on September 02, 2008, 07:03:03 pm

I really like #3.

I think a convex half-cylinder shaped marquee (matching the outline of the cabinet) would look great on it.

Yeah...what he said!

lettuce · « **Reply #8 on:** September 03, 2008, 11:32:50 am »

I was thinking that, but was sure how to go about it??

Neverending Project · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2008, 12:35:31 pm »

Personally, I prefer #2. But they all look great. Nice designs.

bishmasterb · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2008, 02:26:14 pm »

Quote from: lettuce on September 03, 2008, 11:32:50 am

I was thinking that, but was sure how to go about it??

Yeah, would be a little tricky for sure.

Check the link out below. These are clear packing tubes that come in diameters up to 5", which should be plenty for a bartop marquee. All that you'd have to do would be to cleanly cut it down the middle along the long axis. With a jig built for that purpose, it shouldn't be too hard, and the edges won't be visible so your cuts don't have to be perfect.

http://www.visipak.com/clear_plastic_tubing.shtml

For the artwork, you'd just print out on thin stock as normal, and place on the inside of the tube. The shape of the tube will hold it in place if it's attached at the edges.

IG-88 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 03, 2008, 03:40:45 pm »

#1 is my favorite. 3 looks a bit top/back heavy too me.

Doesn't anyone use CRT's for these anymore?

punxrus · « **Reply #12 on:** September 03, 2008, 06:27:24 pm »

I was tempted to use a crt for my bartop project, however, I found a lcd monitor that runs off of 12v that I can plug directly into the pc's power supply.

lettuce · « **Reply #13 on:** September 04, 2008, 09:38:59 am »

Right have bitten the bullet and managed to snag a Brand new Dell 2007FP 20" monitor for £142, which is a right bargin. I have worked out that with this 20" monitor the cab shall be 16" wide, which is only an inch or so wider than it would of been if i had used a 19". I'll be buying some MDF this weekend so work can begin. Im looking at having the cab black with maybe a chrome T-modling

joeks · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2008, 10:04:52 am »

NUMBER 1!

it's looks more authentic i think.
i really like the way the curved sides make to monitor look mounted "deeper" in the cabinet.
and the marquee area tilted upwards like that looks great as well. better than just plain horizontal.
and you could install small speakers in there.

good luck building!

DaOld Man · « **Reply #15 on:** September 04, 2008, 12:23:08 pm »

I like all three.
But I think it would be interesting to build #3.
It would look really cool if (like already mentioned), the marquee curved out to match the sides AND the front of the control panel curved out also.

dmworking247 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2008, 10:31:58 pm »

Yep I reckon #3 but with the 'concave' curves of #1, and possibly having the marquee angled up a little like #1 also.

lettuce · « **Reply #17 on:** September 07, 2008, 08:24:51 am »

Well heres the love child of #1 & #3.......

bishmasterb · « **Reply #18 on:** September 07, 2008, 10:24:11 am »

Quote from: lettuce on September 07, 2008, 08:24:51 am

Well heres the love child of #1 & #3.......

Make it so!

dmworking247 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 07, 2008, 10:29:24 am »

This is getting kind of spooky as the designs look quite similar to a bartop I'll be finishing & announcing this week... so let me ask you the question I struggled with:

Where are your credit/start buttons going (and pause/escape if you're having dedicated buttons for it). I only see player buttons on your CP design?

TOK · « **Reply #20 on:** September 07, 2008, 10:36:19 am »

Quote from: dmworking247 on September 07, 2008, 10:29:24 am

This is getting kind of spooky as the designs look quite similar to a bartop I'll be finishing & announcing this week... so let me ask you the question I struggled with:

Where are your credit/start buttons going (and pause/escape if you're having dedicated buttons for it). I only see player buttons on your CP design?

Don't mean to butt in on your question to him. I didn't want any admin buttons showing, so I got small momentary switches about 3/8" in diameter and countersunk them into the side of my cab. The side is flush, but you can feel the buttons. I did the power button offset toward the back so it isn't touched by accident while reaching for the credit (front) or pause (second back).

Edit to add pic... sorry its kind of crappy, but you can get the idea. Switches are common parts from Sears Hardware.

lettuce · « **Reply #21 on:** September 07, 2008, 12:11:07 pm »

Quote from: dmworking247 on September 07, 2008, 10:29:24 am

This is getting kind of spooky as the designs look quite similar to a bartop I'll be finishing & announcing this week... so let me ask you the question I struggled with:

Where are your credit/start buttons going (and pause/escape if you're having dedicated buttons for it). I only see player buttons on your CP design?

I havent decided yet. I was thing of maybe have the player start buttons on the top of the cab maybe, where the marquee is, and have the credit button on the front of the CP base, or just have the player start buttons on the front with the credit button. I would be using an I-PAC so i would really need any other admin buttons. But if i was to add more admin button, i would probably add them to the rear of the cab so they were hidden away.

One thing i am concerned with is the marquee may get in the way of the top of the screen if you were to stand above the cab ifself, and also with the bottom of screen, there the joystick may obscure the screen slightly??, its hard to tell until you actually have the thing sitting in front of you!

. The only other thing would be to make the cab an inch or so higher, but then thay would bring the total hight to 26-27" !!!

dmworking247 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 07, 2008, 06:36:21 pm »

The joysticks won't be a problem, but I guess if you were standing up the marquee could block it, but you'd be on quite an angle to make that a problem, and you're 'angled up' marquee will reduce that problem.

For the marquee angle to be a problem you'd need to be looking 'down' at the top of the screen by about 45', which isn't very likely since these are really built for sitting on a table top or coffee table with you sitting down.

I'll post some pictures of mine and the plans any day now, and you can cross check your dimensions/angles with those.

IG-88 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 07, 2008, 08:14:48 pm »

Oh yes. Much better.

dmworking247 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 08, 2008, 10:17:50 am »

I told you mine was a similar shape!

lettuce · « **Reply #25 on:** September 08, 2008, 02:12:30 pm »

That looks sweet. Love the theme. Hope my build quality is half as good

hattrick10 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 09, 2008, 12:25:48 pm »

Quick question... Where are you guys getting that chrome accent trim that you have ran along the edges of that alien-like bartop?

dmworking247 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 09, 2008, 06:51:37 pm »

Quote from: hattrick10 on September 09, 2008, 12:25:48 pm

Quick question... Where are you guys getting that chrome accent trim that you have ran along the edges of that alien-like bartop?

From www.t-molding.com . Note that this chrome-in-black t-molding has a thicker spine than the regular t-molding.com stuff, but that was a good thing for me as it matched the slot cutter I had.

lettuce · « **Reply #28 on:** September 11, 2008, 12:29:27 pm »

Right have finally made a bit of progress. Have cut the sides, bottom and top of the bartop and screwed and glued together....

Sorry about the crap quality, pics were taken on my mobile phone

Grabbed some 'Bendy MDF' from B&Q (thanks blanka)...

I cut a circle from an off-cut bit of mdf slightly smaller then the curved front edge of the cab, cut the circle in 2 to give me 2 semi circles shapes and then glued them to the inside of the cab i then bent the 'bendy mdf' around these semi circles whilst using steam from a kettle to make the bendy mdf more suple. I then glued and nailed the bendy mdf to the semi-circles which gave me this result.....

And this is where im up to at the moment...

So far so good

georgemcfly · « **Reply #29 on:** September 12, 2008, 12:26:47 pm »

Loving the look with the bendy MDF

DaOld Man · « **Reply #30 on:** September 12, 2008, 12:36:04 pm »

This is looking verrryyy interesting..

lettuce · « **Reply #31 on:** September 13, 2008, 05:37:00 am »

As you may have noticed the title name has now changed, have decided to name the project...GRANDSTAND, after the manufacturer that used to make the little table top games here in the UK. Remember many a memory of playing these tabletops that my bro used to have when i was younger.... http://www.davesvideoarcade.co.uk/tabletop.html#GrandstandLCD

On a side note, anybody have any idea what font they used for 'GRANDSTAND' in this pic....

Im 90% sure the actual cab shall be be black with chrome t-molding, the marquee shall have the Grandstand logo in chrome with a black background with chrome lazer grid overlay, and possible follow that theme with the CP overlay...

leapinlew · « **Reply #32 on:** September 13, 2008, 09:57:21 am »

It's looking good...
Keep it up. I'm watching this one.

javeryh · « **Reply #33 on:** September 13, 2008, 10:53:03 am »

Looks great so far!

drawfull · « **Reply #34 on:** September 14, 2008, 02:48:39 am »

Quote from: lettuce on September 13, 2008, 05:37:00 am

On a side note, anybody have any idea what font they used for 'GRANDSTAND' in this pic....

The font is ''Pump''

Blanka · « **Reply #35 on:** September 14, 2008, 03:51:30 am »

Ah, now I know what the kids play at Mozilla labs and what they named their browser after.

lettuce · « **Reply #36 on:** September 14, 2008, 05:38:43 am »

Quote from: drawfull on September 14, 2008, 02:48:39 am

Quote from: lettuce on September 13, 2008, 05:37:00 am
On a side note, anybody have any idea what font they used for 'GRANDSTAND' in this pic....

The font is ''Pump''

Nice one, cheers

Quote from: Blanka on September 14, 2008, 03:51:30 am

Ah, now I know what the kids play at Mozilla labs and what they named their browser after.

Come again???

lettuce · « **Reply #37 on:** September 14, 2008, 05:53:28 am »

Right have just now order my PC components:

Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 LGA775 'Wolfdale' 2.53GHz (1066FSB) - Retail £74.99
Gigabyte GA-73PVM-S2H GeForce 7100 Micro-ATX (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard £41.99
OCZ 2GB (2x1GB) PC2-6400C4 Dual Channel Platinum Revision 2 XTC Series DDR2 £22.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (ST3250410AS) £29.99
Enermax EG285-SX-VB(G) 285W Micro ATX Power Supply £24.99
Scythe S-FLEX 1200RPM Ultra Quiet 120mm Fan - 3/4 pin £10.99

I think there might be a possibility that i may have to down grade the monitor size from 20.1" to a dell 19". In Google sketchUP the monitor seems to fit ok but in pratice it seems a different story, i wont know 100% until i have the CP in place however!

Another challenge i may come up against is fitting Player start and credit buttons on the front of the curved edge of the cab, not too sure how to go about it as they wont fit flush with the curved edge

On the topic of Dell monitor i shall be using Dell's sound bar as the speakers, as i have them on my Main PC monitor and they are great for there slim size and can power them from the dell aswell, so cuts down on another power cable inside the cab!

Pinguy · « **Reply #38 on:** September 14, 2008, 06:23:01 am »

Hi Lettuce,
Your project looks really promising, you have inspired me to go the bartop route for mine also

Thanks for posting your pc specs - are the graphics onboard, or are you slotting a card in there somewhere ?
Would you mind posting your cabinet dimensions sometime ?

Good luck with the build - will let you know how I get on with mine - early days yet - I am compiling my shopping list at the moment !!

Cheers Pinguy

view my last project pics here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/94649948@N00/

lettuce · « **Reply #39 on:** September 14, 2008, 07:05:37 am »

Yeah theres an Nividia 7100 onboard the mobo, so they should perform well enough, as mame is more about CPU than GPU power, something like 85/15 ratio

Blanka · « **Reply #40 on:** September 14, 2008, 11:28:59 am »

Quote from: lettuce on September 14, 2008, 07:05:37 am

mame is more about CPU than GPU power, something like 85/15 ratio

Make that a 99/1 ratio, and that is when you have open-gl filters running. Without those filters the GPU really has nothing to do.

lettuce · « **Reply #41 on:** September 24, 2008, 02:19:24 pm »

Right a slight update, have now made the curved marquee....

The marquee is actually a, 100mm x 3mm Clear Acrylic Tube, which i cut to the width of the inside of the bartop, i ordered it from this ebay member, http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Clear-Plastic-Supplies

Have cut out the CP, although the length of the CP shall be shortened, it all depends on what angle the monitor shall be at. The bit of mdf i have cut for the housing of the joystick spinner and buttons, is slightly lower that the curved bit of mdf, this is so when i get round to add a sheet of plexi-glass to the CP, then the plexi shall fit flush with the curved mdf....

I think its best to fit 1 maybe 2 exhaust ports as the bartop wont be that large, and would imagine that it will get rather warm in there. At the moment i have routed out a hole for a 120mm fan and recessed the inside about 1/2 inch so the fan sits closer to the top of the cab. Not too sure if i should add another exhaust port on the back of the cab towards the bottom, 1 fan blowing in and the other blowing out, or if just 1 fan would be enough on the top blowing out warm air, what are peoples thought on this???....

Added a piano hinge to the rear of the cab and back door, i shall either be placing the PC motherboard on the rear door or if there is enough space on the floor of the cab....

And a snap of the inside of the cab...

Heres my PC setup....

Specs:
Gigabyte GA-73PVM-S2H GeForce 7100 Micro-ATX (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200
OCZ 2GB PC2-6400C4 Dual Channel Platinum DDR2
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB SATA-II 16MB Cache
Enermax EG285-SX-VB(G) 285W Micro ATX Power Supply LGA775 'Wolfdale' 2.53GHz (1066FSB)

Ive OC the 2.53GHZ CPU to 2.9GHZ, only a slight OC but i was happy that i got to this speed without having to change the Voltage of the CPU, thus not putting anymore load on the micro 285watt PSU

Now on to the down side. I said earlier on in this thread that the 20" Dell monitor i have got might be too large to fit in the cab, and indeed it was, so i resold the monitor back on ebay (made a profit aswell i may add

) and got a 19" Dell 1907FP. After receiving the monitor and setting it up i am not happy with the viewing angles i am getting with it, blanka did say that TN panels are not good for viewing angles and he is correct, here some pics to illistrate the problem...

As you can see viewing the screen from the right is fine!, but...

Viewing from the left side results in really bad results

Im guessing this is down to the fact that when the monitor is in its usually horizontal position, you wouldnt hardly ever be looking up at the monitor (looking at it from the left side when vertically orientated), say for instance if the monitor was on a shelf above your head hight, and you would be more than likely looking down on the monitor (viewing from the right side when vertically orientated) if you werent looking straight at it on a level plan.

So i guess im going to have to look for a non TN panel 19" monitor, not 100% sure what 19" monitors use non TN panel technology

lettuce · « **Reply #42 on:** September 29, 2008, 01:24:07 pm »

Ok got hold of another monitor today a, Dell 1905FP which is surpossed to use the PVA panel technology. And the viewing angels are a whole lot better.....

lettuce · « **Reply #43 on:** October 12, 2008, 10:10:24 am »

Some progress, have now made a bezel for the monitor out of some mdf....

Have recessed the other side of the bezel, so that the monitor fits snuggly! have also recessed spaces out for the buttons of the Dell monitor so they are not be press upon the mdf bezel!...

And a pic with the bezel inside the cab....

Im happy with the way this looks, and just goes to show that a 20" monitor would of been way to big for this size bartop at just 16" wide!!!

Have now attached the fan and added a grill, although a may try and recesse the grill in more, so it sits almost flush with the top of the cab...

Used the router to cut out the slit for the t-molding to fit into, decided to carry the t-molding on the whole way around the cab, i know some people dont bother with the t-molding on the underside of the cab, but i think it just finishes it off better if it goes all the way around!...

I have decided to add a push button either side of the cab, as i am now thinking of also having Visual Pinball installed on the PC aswell, as the vertical monitor is just crying out for some pinball games to be played on it!

Waveryder here on the forums is kindly making up the artwork for the Marquee and Control Panel, based on my ideas, and he has come up with some great suggestions, his a real pro, and his artwork would be the icing on the cake for any cab!!

We have finalised the Marquee design and looks great!!!....

Just awaiting the CP design and then they'll be send to MameMarquees for printing!!

I have decided to do away with the chrome T-molding idea and am going for Galaxian Green T-molding to matched the marquee design nicely!

I shall be ordering my controls this week, Mag Sick Plus, amongst other stuff, not 100% sure on what colour push buttons to go with, i have an LED Wiz kicking about here somewhere so would like to put that to use, so i think illuminated buttons are the order of the day.

I am looking at getting a Dell Soundbar to use for the speakers, this will save alot of space and the sound form them is great when you think about how small they are!

I shall be using black laminate to cover the cab, rather than painting or spray hopefully this would look good, as this will be the first cab that i have not painted or sprayed!. Any ideas on what sort of thickness laminate i should be looking for, want it as thin as possible?

Hopefully should be finished up early november at the latest

drawfull · « **Reply #44 on:** October 12, 2008, 01:03:01 pm »

I used some cheap vinyl (matte) from B&Q and it imo looks good. Only did it as a test to see how durable it m ight be and there's side art going over top so should be ok?

ark_ader · « **Reply #45 on:** October 12, 2008, 03:11:05 pm »

I agree with the vinyl. My nightmare with matt black paint, both aerosol and water based is definitely not going to be recreated on the next project. You need to make sure the sides are free of dirt or dust. But why black? How about teal or dark green?

I sure do like the work you did on the cuts.

Real class, man - congrats.

lettuce · « **Reply #46 on:** October 12, 2008, 04:20:02 pm »

What did you use to stick the vinyl down?

Franco B · « **Reply #47 on:** October 13, 2008, 09:33:23 am »

Wow, this is awesome lettuce! It completely slipped by me somehow.

Awsome work. Love the profile!

Martijn · « **Reply #48 on:** October 13, 2008, 09:56:57 am »

the marquee reminds me of mask crusaders intro

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=13157150

nice work

thatitalian · « **Reply #49 on:** October 13, 2008, 10:23:39 am »

Afro man says: This is too cool for school!

drawfull · « **Reply #50 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:57:37 pm »

Quote from: lettuce on October 12, 2008, 04:20:02 pm

What did you use to stick the vinyl down?

It's self adhesive, but I used a little clear nail varnish lacquer stuff on the edges.

cheers

lettuce · « **Reply #51 on:** October 15, 2008, 02:07:05 pm »

Quote from: Martijn on October 13, 2008, 09:56:57 am

the marquee reminds me of mask crusaders intro

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=13157150

nice work

Oh yeah forgot about that intro

Santoro · « **Reply #52 on:** October 17, 2008, 10:41:37 pm »

Love the design, and that curved marquee is an AWESOME idea. It's gonna be great.

lettuce · « **Reply #53 on:** October 19, 2008, 08:00:30 am »

Its update time again!! On friday i received my Dell AS501 Soundbar, so yesterday, saturday (sound be renamed mameday), i proceeded to fit it into my bartop, i couldnt really find an easy way to install the soundbar, so i ended up making a bracket housing for it, its such a snug fit that i didnt need to glue or screw it to the bracket housing...

I got some of those Cold Cathode PC case Lights, which ill be using to light the marquee, these are great as they produce no heat (or very very little) at all, and is important when considering the curved marquee and small sized design, i attached them via some clips i had lying around....

the actual colour of the lights are green, as to match the theme of the cab, im not going to know 100% what this will look like until i get my marquee print from mamemarquees

I was undecided as to how to fit my LCD display within the cab, ive see alot of people put a mdf beam across the inside of the cab, and attach the monitor to that, but i will be struggling for space inside for my PC components, so this was really wasnt an option! In the end i made 2 brackets up.....

I'll lay the cab on its front, place the LCD screen in the recesse that i routed out in the mdf bezel, and then screw the brackets in place behind the LCD monitor, which with the help of the recesse in the bezel holds the monitor in place...

I Cut a mockup of my CP, to make sure it fitted all ok...

And thats where im up to at the moment. I'll need to lengthen the 12 volt power cable from the dell soundbar so if reaches to the socket on the rear oy my dell monitor, hopefully it will just be the case of justing the wire and adding some mains wire inbetween??

Martijn · « **Reply #54 on:** October 19, 2008, 12:45:38 pm »

about the Cold Cathode.

i also have them.

like this,

i received my art from mamemarquees.com and installed the marquee.

i noticed a black line in the middle on the 2 cold cathodes, i will do one of the following options

or place a 3rd one in the middle, or i will move them closed together

just to let you know you might also get this problem

Or maybe you think its fine

or i am hard to satisfy

and btw GOOD WORK


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