I met Vader

[RayB]

I attended the geek-fest known as "FanExpo" in Toronto. Snapped this shot:

(read the caption!!)

[ark_ader]

Isn't the guy next to Vader a little short to be a Stormtrooper (Snowtrooper)?

[mpm32]

"I'm Darth Nihilus"

[ChadTower]

I got destroyed by Vader once.  Different Vader, though.

[massive88]

Isn't the guy next to Vader a little short to be a Stormtrooper (Snowtrooper)?

Maybe.

Vader (David Prowse) was 6'-5" without the helmet and boots.

Mark Hamill who was originally noted as a little short to be a storm trooper was 5'-9"

Assuming boots and helmets to add equal heights, that snow trooper doesnt look to be 8" shorter than Vader.

Another reason that the newer trilogy is stupid, Temuera Morrison, who played Jango Fett, who we are supposed to believe is genetically identical to the Storm Troopers (and thus, most likely the Snow Troopers as well), is only 5'-7", which would make Mark Hamill a little tall to be a storm trooper.

[ChadTower]

The Stormtroopers aren't clones anymore by the time of the first trilogy.  Only Palpatine's personal guards and a few elite units.  The general army by that point was normal humans again because the clone troopers were too easy to manipulate and a lot of the cloning facilities at Kamino were lost.

It's in the books.   

[ChadTower]

The books aren't canon.  Don't you read the disclaimer?

It's fiction.  None of it is canon.

[Ginsu Victim]

I got destroyed by Vader once.  Different Vader, though.

I was thinking the same Vader. He works the indies in my area occasionally.

[tk_42_1]

Been there...Done that.  Disney Star Wars weekends 07.

[massive88]

Been there...Done that.  Disney Star Wars weekends 07.

Disney!?!?

Why aren't you at your post!

[ChadTower]

I have to say MGM Studios was one of the most disappointing major theme parks I've ever been to... just not all that good.  The only thing worth doing there, relative to the parks around it, was seeing Fantasmic.  We had to sit for hours to see that, too.

[RayB]

The point was for your guys to read the CAPTION I wrote.
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[Ginsu Victim]

I read it. Was I supposed to comment on how unfunny it is? I was trying to be nice and not mention it. 

[ark_ader]

Isn't the guy next to Vader a little short to be a Stormtrooper (Snowtrooper)?

Maybe.

Vader (David Prowse) was 6'-5" without the helmet and boots.

Mark Hamill who was originally noted as a little short to be a storm trooper was 5'-9"

Assuming boots and helmets to add equal heights, that snow trooper doesnt look to be 8" shorter than Vader.

Another reason that the newer trilogy is stupid, Temuera Morrison, who played Jango Fett, who we are supposed to believe is genetically identical to the Storm Troopers (and thus, most likely the Snow Troopers as well), is only 5'-7", which would make Mark Hamill a little tall to be a storm trooper.

That was a Leia gag referenced to the movie. 

[massive88]

That was a Leia gag referenced to the movie. 

Uhh duh?  Why do you think I talked about Mark Hamill's height?  Perhaps because he is the only one we know to be "a little short, for a stormtrooper"?

[Ummon]

I thought maybe you were talking about the quasi-death metal band.

[SithMaster]

<cue imperial death march>

The Stormtroopers aren't clones anymore by the time of the first trilogy.  Only Palpatine's personal guards and a few elite units.  The general army by that point was normal humans again because the clone troopers were too easy to manipulate and a lot of the cloning facilities at Kamino were lost.

It's in the books.   

Let us not forget that the Emperor had a cloning facility at Mount Tantiss which Thrawn made use of later.  Clones cost more to make then conscripting the citizens making them less appealing especially since one of the trainers, Jango Fett, was killed.  Other Mandolorians could be found but by the time of the Empire they had a vast pool of potential soldiers to tap into.

The books aren't canon.  Don't you read the disclaimer?

The books aren't canon.  Don't you read the disclaimer?

It's fiction.  None of it is canon.

Since its fiction wouldn't that automatically make it canon?

Most books are canon.  Certain things like the marvel comics are not really canon since they were before any real attempt at maintaining a continuity was started.  I'm going to say that anything published after Heir to the Empire would be canon (including Heir to the Empire).

Edit- Yes cut caption.  The real question is did you (assuming this isn't all a joke) apologize for losing the Falcon or mention some other star wars reference?

[ChadTower]

Most books are canon. 

Not by the reasonable definition of canon.  The word canon as it applies to books is pretty much either "the group acknowledged as being the work of writer X" or "the acknowledged religious sacred texts".  It's really stretching the usual definition of the word to apply it to a bunch of modern science fiction books by about 30 different people.  It's a bunch of books, yeah, and they have a big following, yeah, but canon just doesn't feel anything like a bunch of Star Wars books. 

Yeah, that's splitting hairs and yeah, I've read like 70 of them.     It just gets on my nerves a little bit when people talk about stuff like this in terms usually reserved for 2000 year old religious texts.

[SithMaster]

Its a little like the debate someone started on the proper name for a computer mouse.  I guess I'm used to seeing it applied to more modern literature/media.

Have you been reading any of the recent stuff?  The Republic commando series is pretty good and actually goes into some of this cloning stuff.  Actually the next one involves what choices some of the clones make which is pretty big considering what one of them did (I don't want to spoil anything).

[ChadTower]

Net yet... I'm on the other end of the timeline at the moment.  I'm usually 1-2 years behind release dates because I don't have time to keep up.  The last two I finished earlier this summer were Legacy of the Force Bloodlines and Darth Bane Path of Destruction.

[Ummon]

It's really stretching the usual definition of the word to apply it to a bunch of modern science fiction books by about 30 different people.  It's a bunch of books, yeah, and they have a big following, yeah, but canon just doesn't feel anything like a bunch of Star Wars books.

Not at all. It's a matter of usage and context. In any literary (or, really any) context, there is a considered canon of examples. These examples fall into a certain category, or even more embody a set of principles that are in mind. On the other hand, it's not exactly arbitrary, though in some cases the literature in question (or, rather, if it can be called that) is pretty thin.

[ChadTower]

Dilution of standards.  Canon is supposed to mean something and implies real importance.  This is mass market science fiction, not Shakespeare.

[Ginsu Victim]

Since I haven't bothered to read the canon argument, all I'll say is this:

Anyone other than Lucas writing Star Wars in the current era has to be doing better than him.

[AtomSmasher]

Anyone other than Lucas writing Star Wars in the current era has to be doing better than him.

Hehe, now thats the truth.  Recently I saw an interview of one of the head guys who just developed the new animated Star Wars movie and originally the new Hutt character spoke Huttese (the language of the Hutts) in the movie, but George Lucas didn't like it and said he wanted him to not only speak english, but he wanted him to sound like Truman Capote.  It's difficult to think of a stupidier thing to do to a Star Wars character.

[Ummon]

Anyone other than Lucas writing Star Wars in the current era has to be doing better than him.

Hehe, now thats the truth.  Recently I saw an interview of one of the head guys who just developed the new animated Star Wars movie and originally the new Hutt character spoke Huttese (the language of the Hutts) in the movie, but George Lucas didn't like it and said he wanted him to not only speak english, but he wanted him to sound like Truman Capote.  It's difficult to think of a stupidier thing to do to a Star Wars character.

I said it when I found out Lucas ORIGINALLY wanted a musical scene in Hutt's lair: what a bonehead.

Dilution of standards.  Canon is supposed to mean something and implies real importance.  This is mass market science fiction, not Shakespeare.

You're stuck on something here.