Nintendo Wii on PC now a possibility - team dolphin

[mrclean]

http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=95231&st=0

[deadsoulz]

Mario Party would be fun on a cabinet if you could work out all the controls.

[DaveMMR]

Mario Party would be fun on a cabinet if you could work out all the controls.

You can play it with an N64 emulator (albeit the first three).  But even the short game is too long to be cramped around a machine IMO.

[mighty1]

wii controller is bluetooth.  You can get it work with a pc  with a program called glovepie or something like that. 

[northerngames]

I dont buy it.

they cant even emu gamecube to work right to actually play anything now they claim the wii 

[Blanka]

The open source is great. We'll see much faster development now. Do I hear OSX version already?

[northerngames]

there's no pc available to the public that are strong enough to even run something like those consoles yet and if there is one available in 5 or so years it probably wont be affordable to the everyday user anyway.

this is not going anywhere for some years to come.

N64 and some mame chd's don't even emu right on high end pc's and now there going to skip past the gamecube emu that dont play right and right into a working wii version? 

[RoomTenONine]

there's no pc available to the public that are strong enough to even run something like those consoles yet and if there is one available in 5 or so years it probably wont be affordable to the everyday user anyway.

this is not going anywhere for some years to come.

N64 and some mame chd's don't even emu right on high end pc's and now there going to skip past the gamecube emu that dont play right and right into a working wii version? 

I just want to clarify because your comment sounds as if modern PCs aren't as powerful as a GC or Wii.  That is NOT the case.  In fact the GC and Wii are pretty weak in terms of graphics processing all around.

What I think you intended to say is that modern PCs struggle with certain emulation of newer consoles.  They clearly can run games just as well as any console on the market right now.  It is just that they still struggle running a native OS and on top of that a modern emulator.

[massive88]

there's no pc available to the public that are strong enough to even run something like those consoles yet and if there is one available in 5 or so years it probably wont be affordable to the everyday user anyway.

this is not going anywhere for some years to come.

N64 and some mame chd's don't even emu right on high end pc's and now there going to skip past the gamecube emu that dont play right and right into a working wii version?  Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Because a Wii is that far ahead technologically?  The Wii is basically a suped up Gamecube with an innovative controller.

Gamecube:Wii
CPU - 485Mhz PowerPc : 729Mhz PowerPC
GPU - 162Mhz : 243 Mhz
Memory - 43MB : 88MB

Compare that to the Xbox:Xbox360
CPU - 733Mhz Coppermine : 3-Core 3.2Ghz PowerPC
GPU - 233Mhz : 2x 500Mhz
Memory - 64MB : 512MB

I could understand your comment if you were talking xboxs, but for GC/Wii, its not nearly as far fetched.

Unless someone takes up the project seriously, I dont see it developing faster due to being open source.  Hopefully some enthusiastic people take up the challenge though.

[northerngames]

now compare a high end pc of today with a n64 cart from 12+ years ago that still dont work right

check the specs of the 64 console and do the difference in math to see what type pc you would need today to run something with the wii's strengh.

or use a chd specs that dont run right still on todays pc and compare it to the wii's strengh.

all I was saying is pc's are not ready for anything like that for some time to come.

sure my pc is alot stronger then my xbox 360 but that dont mean it is going to emulate it.




 

[RoomTenONine]

now compare a high end pc of today with a n64 cart from 12+ years ago that still dont work right

check the specs of the 64 console and do the difference in math to see what type pc you would need today to run something with the wii's strengh.

or use a chd specs that dont run right still on todays pc and compare it to the wii's strengh.

all I was saying is pc's are not ready for anything like that for some time to come.

sure my pc is alot stronger then my xbox 360 but that dont mean it is going to emulate it.

Again, please make sure you distinguish between over all processing power comparing what a PC can do to a console to that of a PC's ability to emulate a console.

It sounds like you mistake raw clock speed with an ability to "have more processing power".  A lot more goes into it than that.  Current PC's are much more powerful than any Nintendo console released to day.  In fact even during the N64 era you had PCs that had the ability to push massive polys compared to consoles.  Look at Quake on the N64 if you want proof.  There is a reason the graphics look so ---smurfy--- on a GC/Wii compared to current PC, 360 and PS3 games...they can't process the high res, high poly and shader effects, etc.  Take something like Bioshock.  You will see that game running on PC/360/PS3 at
similar frame rates and visual quality.  It will never release in a similar state on Wii because the thing cannot pull it off.

The bottom line is that top PCs are slightly ahead of the 360/PS3 consoles in pure processing power and surely more powerful than anything Nintendo has offered this far.

[massive88]

now compare a high end pc of today with a n64 cart from 12+ years ago that still dont work right
check the specs of the 64 console and do the difference in math to see what type pc you would need today to run something with the wii's strengh.
or use a chd specs that dont run right still on todays pc and compare it to the wii's strengh.
all I was saying is pc's are not ready for anything like that for some time to come.
sure my pc is alot stronger then my xbox 360 but that dont mean it is going to emulate it.

It depends just as heavily on your goals of emulation and the documentation available.  See the difference between Tekken 3 in ZiNC, Mame, or on a system like the PSX which had twice the power of the Tekken 3 arcade board.  The factor of how many raw Mhz you need to emulate the original hardware is far different across those emulators.

Mame is the worst example for performance, because that is not the developers concern at all.  That doesnt mean it is not a goal for other emulation authors.

[northerngames]

you guys can buy into whatever you like but I am not buying it flat out pc's are not ready and wont be for years to come 

[RoomTenONine]

you guys can buy into whatever you like but I am not buying it flat out pc's are not ready and wont be for years to come 

  You are still missing what we are saying.  We are saying that spec for spec a PC blows a Wii or GC away.  If you developed the same game for each system concurrently the graphics, physics and AI would have to be seriously watered down for the Nintendo systems.  They don't have the power...hands down.  To be honest there is no refuting this as there is no possible proof to show otherwise.  Look at something like Madden 09 on teh Wii compared to its PC version.  No contest in terms of graphics, physics and AI processing.

For the 3rd time: I think you are confusing a PC's ability to EMULATE a console with a direct comparison of a PC v. Wii/GC in terms of processing ability.  That is so completely different than running a natively coded title for each system and then comparing.  If you aren't confusing this, your words are misleading.  If what you intend to say is that it will simply be a while until a PC can pull off a GC/Wii emulation...then yes that is true, but it isn't because the PC is inferior to the Wii/GC.  It just takes a hell of a lot to emulate something like that.

[rlehm]

this is the one time my vista 64 was the best choice. vista 64 has like triple the frame rate of xp or vista 32 when running dolphin. Dolphinx64 for vista 64 was the best, but still ran like --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules--.

[northerngames]

yeah I'm just saying there not ready yet and wont be for years to come.

[Neilyboy]

hrmph.. id like to see this take off!! lets hope for the best..

Neil

[Avrus]

I wonder if the idea of using the untapped power of the video card will start to gain any momentum with the Nvidia CUDA?