Rock Band Wii? --- Heck NO!!! --- Guitar Hero World Tour FTW! (Edit: RBII Maybe)

[DaveMMR]

  Actually, I wouldn't know.  Don't take the subject line too serious, I was just having a bit of fun and can not possibly know if one will be better than the other.

But back on topic:  I was going to be picking up Rock Band after the summer since it was just released for the Wii but now I'm reading that the next Guitar Hero (World Tour) will not only be shamelessly ripping off Rock Band, but actually improving on it in two important areas for someone like myself who only owns a Wii out of the three current-gen systems.

First, my current Wii GH guitar will work with GH:WT, which is cool since I originally accepted that I would have to invest in a second guitar to work with Rock Band.  Although I'm reading the new guitar that comes with World Tour will have added functionality, the simple GHIII guitar will be fine for the casual party game.

Second, and most importantly, the Wii is getting DLC right out of the gate.  It'll be stored on the SD cards or internal memory.  Considering I previously said I'd live with expansion discs, I'm glad now that I may not have to.

There are other cool features like Create-a-Song that I won't delve into but still sound really cool.

How GH:WT will compare to Rock Band or Rock Band II is still open for speculation and debate.   But as someone who only owns a Wii (and doesn't want to get a PS3 or XBOX 360 right now), World Tour seems like the more attractive package.

[Malenko]

I dont plan on picking up GHWT.... RB2 will support all the old instruments AND all the old DLC from RB1. Ive noticed a trend with GH games.... impossible note charts that dont match up with the songs and impossible/retarded achievements. I only have a 360, cant find a Wii for sale and dont want a PS3

[Cakemeister]

I found it irritating that GHWT uses a whole different drum set than RB.

I might get GHWT if it comes without instruments.

[AtomSmasher]

I found it irritating that GHWT uses a whole different drum set than RB.

I might get GHWT if it comes without instruments.

I was thinking the same thing.  Theres no way I'm going to buy a second set of drums.

[Dartful Dodger]

I’ve read about Guitar Hero World Tour. It sounds like Rock Band 1.

Konami to Start 'Rock Revolution' This Fall

Konami promises to have the "most realistic drum peripheral on the market" for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of the game, while the Wii iteration will use the Wii Remote and Nunchuk for air-drumming and air-guitar strumming.

Air drums and air guitar sounds sort of <--non-heterosexual-->, but if I spend more than a few seconds thinking about it, playing with a fake drum set and guitar is just as <--non-heterosexual-->.

If this works it'll beat having to store and set up a fake drum set.


Rock Band forced Guitar Hero to make a sequel to match Rock Band’s game play.

Hopefully all these new band games will force Rock Band 2 to be really improve the game play.

[DaveMMR]

Hopefully all these new band games will force Rock Band 2 to be really improve the game play.

It would be nice if Rock Band 2 would release for all the systems at the same time instead of just the 360.   

[Dartful Dodger]

It would be nice if Rock Band 2 would release for all the systems at the same time instead of just the 360.   

My excitement for a Rock Band 2 clouded my vision.

I didn't think anything about the 360 first release until your post.  I did a search, there's no technical reason for it, it's just a Microsoft/Harminix marketing thing.

That's BS.  I've lost any loyalty I had for Rock Band.

Hopefully Guitar Hero World Tour has better game play than Guitar Hero.

[versapak]

I’ve read about Guitar Hero World Tour. It sounds like Rock Band 1.

Konami to Start 'Rock Revolution' This Fall

Konami promises to have the "most realistic drum peripheral on the market" for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of the game, while the Wii iteration will use the Wii Remote and Nunchuk for air-drumming and air-guitar strumming.

Air drums and air guitar sounds sort of <--non-heterosexual-->, but if I spend more than a few seconds thinking about it, playing with a fake drum set and guitar is just as <--non-heterosexual-->.

If this works it'll beat having to store and set up a fake drum set.


Rock Band forced Guitar Hero to make a sequel to match Rock Band’s game play.

Hopefully all these new band games will force Rock Band 2 to be really improve the game play.

Ummmm...

Features do not equal gameplay.


Gameplay is one area that RockBand kicks Guitar Hero in the nuts.

We'll see if those features are enough to matter, but Activision's note charts suck, and they are gonna have to pull a miracle to make me want to go out and purchase another crapload of proprietary instruments.

[DaveMMR]

Ummmm...

Features do not equal gameplay.


Gameplay is one area that RockBand kicks Guitar Hero in the nuts.

For gameplay, I'll take any other genre over rhythm-based.   GH and its contemporaries have always been about drunken social play for me.  Features are dictating my decisions on this one.

[Dartful Dodger]

Official Rock Band 2 Set List

Official Rock Band 2 Features List


It looks like RB2 might kick GHWT's butt.

I was hoping to jump off the RB train, but they might be keeping me.

[Malenko]

Official Rock Band 2 Set List

Official Rock Band 2 Features List


It looks like RB2 might kick GHWT's butt.

I was hoping to jump off the RB train, but they might be keeping me.

can someone copy/paste the details? work proxy blocks eveything. Im surprised I can see this forum

[Cakemeister]

Official Rock Band 2 Set List

Official Rock Band 2 Features List


It looks like RB2 might kick GHWT's butt.

I was hoping to jump off the RB train, but they might be keeping me.

can someone copy/paste the details? work proxy blocks eveything. Im surprised I can see this forum

set list:

Rock Band 2 On-Disc Track List:
Artist Song Title Decade
1. AC/DC “Let There Be Rock” 1970s
2. AFI “Girl’s Gone Grey” 2000’s
3. Alanis Morissette “You Oughta Know” 1990’s
4. Alice in Chains “Man in the Box” 1990’s
5. Allman Brothers “Ramblin’ Man” 1970’s
6. Avenged Sevenfold “Almost Easy” 2000’s
7. Bad Company “Shooting Star” 1970’s
8. Beastie Boys “So Whatcha Want” 1990’s
9. Beck “E-Pro” 2000’s
10. Bikini Kill “Rebel Girl” 1990’s
11. Billy Idol “White Wedding Pt. I” 1980’s
12. Blondie “One Way or Another” 1970’s
13. Bob Dylan “Tangled Up in Blue” 1970’s
14. Bon Jovi “Livin’ on a Prayer” 1980’s
15. Cheap Trick “Hello There” 1970’s
16. Devo “Uncontrollable Urge” 1980’s
17. Dinosaur Jr. “Feel the Pain” 1990’s
18. Disturbed “Down with the Sickness” 2000’s
19. Dream Theater “Panic Attack” 2000’s
20. Duran Duran “Hungry Like the Wolf” 1980’s
21. Elvis Costello “Pump It Up” 1970’s
22. Fleetwood Mac “Go Your Own Way” 1970’s
23. Foo Fighters “Everlong” 1990’s
24. Guns N’ Roses “Shackler’s Revenge” 2000’s
25. Interpol “PDA” 2000’s
26. Jane’s Addiction “Mountain Song” 1980’s
27. Jethro Tull “Aqualung” 1970’s
28. Jimmy Eat World “The Middle” 2000’s
29. Joan Jett “Bad Reputation” 1980’s
30. Journey “Anyway You Want It” 1970’s
31. Judas Priest “Painkiller” 1990’s
32. Kansas “Carry On Wayward Son” 1970’s
33. L7 “Pretend We’re Dead” 1990’s
34. Lacuna Coil “Our Truth” 2000’s
35. Linkin Park “One Step Closer” 2000’s
36. Lit “My Own Worst Enemy” 1990’s
37. Lush “De-Luxe” 1990’s
38. Mastodon “Colony of Birchmen” 2000’s
39. Megadeth “Peace Sells” 1980’s
40. Metallica “Battery” 1980’s
41. Mighty Mighty Bosstones “Where’d You Go” 1990’s
42. Modest Mouse “Float On” 2000’s
43. Motorhead “Ace of Spades” 1980’s
44. Nirvana “Drain You” 1990’s
45. Norman Greenbaum “Spirit in the Sky” 1960’s
46. Panic at the Disco “Nine in the Afternoon” 2000’s
47. Paramore “That’s What You Get” 2000’s
48. Pearl Jam “Alive” 1990’s
49. Presidents of the USA “Lump” 1990’s
50. Rage Against the Machine “Testify” 1990’s
51. Ratt “Round & Round” 1980’s
52. Red Hot Chili Peppers “Give it Away” 1990’s
53. Rise Against “Give it All” 2000’s
54. Rush “The Trees” 1970’s
55. Silversun Pickups “Lazy Eye” 2000’s
56. Smashing Pumpkins “Today” 1990’s
57. Social Distortion “I Was Wrong” 1990’s
58. Sonic Youth “Teenage Riot” 1980’s
59. Soundgarden “Spoonman” 1990’s
60. Squeeze “Cool for Cats” 1970’s
61. Steely Dan “Bodhitsattva” 1970’s
62. Steve Miller Band “Rock’n Me” 1970’s
63. Survivor “Eye of the Tiger” 1980’s
64. System of a Down “Chop Suey” 2000’s
65. Talking Heads “Psycho Killer” 1970’s
66. Tenacious D “Master Exploder” 2000’s
67. Testament “Souls of Black” 1990’s
68. The Donnas “New Kid in School” 2000’s
69. The Go-Go’s “We Got the Beat” 1980’s
70. The Grateful Dead “Alabama Getaway” 1980’s
71. The Guess Who “American Woman” 1970’s
72. The Muffs “Kids in America” 1990’s
73. The Offspring “Come Out & Play (Keep ‘em Separated)” 1990’s
74. The Replacements “Alex Chilton” 1980’s
75. The Who “Pinball Wizard” 1960’s

Bonus Artist Bonus Song Title Decade
76. Abnormality “Visions” 2000’s
77. Anarchy Club “Get Clean” 2000’s
78. Bang Camaro “Night Lies” 2000’s
79. Breaking Wheel “Shoulder to the Plow” 2000’s
80. The Libyans “Neighborhood” 2000’s
81. The Main Drag “A Jagged Gorgeous Winter” 2000’s
82. Speck “Conventional Lover” 2000’s
83. The Sterns “Supreme Girl” 2000’s
84. That Handsome Devil “Rob the Prez-O-Dent” 2000’s

[massive88]

AND you get 20 DLC songs of your choice
AND you can import all your RB1 songs to your harddrive to use in RB2.
AND you already have a world of fully capable DLC from RB1

Rock Band kicks GHWT squah in the nuts.  Its not even close.  Enjoy the Aerosmith and 80s expansion packs though, Im sure they are wicked awesome.

Activision was retarded to let Harmonix leave.

[DaveMMR]

Enjoy the Aerosmith .... expansion pack though, Im sure [it is] wicked awesome.

Unless that was sarcasm (which is warranted) then the answer is "no", it is not awesome, unless you like classic Aerosmith (i.e. Columbia label) and nothing but Aerosmith (oh, 10 non-Aerosmith songs - but whatever). 

I'm reading up on RBII and now the decision is much harder.  I'm taking a "wait and see" on this one.   Rock Band II has an awesome lineup, but are they going to stiff Wii on features GHWT is promising for the system?   Are they going to release it for the Wii half a year after every else already played it to death?   For me, this is what's keeping Guitar Hero a contender.

[shmokes]

Based on everything else he wrote I think it's pretty safe to say it was sarcasm. 

[Dartful Dodger]

My mistake I doubled check.

Q:Will Rock Band 1 DLC continue after release of Rock Band 2?
A:There is no "Rock Band 1" DLC or "Rock Band 2 DLC", all DLC is cross-compatible.

that means Rockband 2 drums will still have 5 inputs.
GHWT will have 6.

GHWT will combine the two symbols to the red pad when using RB1’s drums kit, I thought it was RB2 combining the two.

GHWT will be more complicated which may or may not mean it's more fun.

I'm still going to wait to see what actually makes it to the final versions before I spend anymore on Rockband.  I've lost interest in playing the solo mode, and the song I have are fun enough for parties.

[massive88]

I'm reading up on RBII and now the decision is much harder.  I'm taking a "wait and see" on this one.   Rock Band II has an awesome lineup, but are they going to stiff Wii on features GHWT is promising for the system?   Are they going to release it for the Wii half a year after every else already played it to death?   For me, this is what's keeping Guitar Hero a contender.

Oops I didnt read the thread title, I didn't count on being handicapped by trying to play real games on a Wii, I don't know enough about whats going on there to form an opinion.

On the 360 or PS3 though, RB2 destroys GHWT.  They are keeping boss battles.  Harmonix's note charts are way better as well.  Better game, tons more content, and no lame boss battles. 

[DaveMMR]

I'm reading up on RBII and now the decision is much harder.  I'm taking a "wait and see" on this one.   Rock Band II has an awesome lineup, but are they going to stiff Wii on features GHWT is promising for the system?   Are they going to release it for the Wii half a year after every else already played it to death?   For me, this is what's keeping Guitar Hero a contender.

Oops I didnt read the thread title, I didn't count on being handicapped by trying to play real games on a Wii, I don't know enough about whats going on there to form an opinion.

I can't yet either.  The thread title was in jest.  And honestly, if I were buying for the PS3 or Xbox 360, I'd probably be going with RBII.

[DaveMMR]

Oops - new developments.   Looks like Wii owners may be getting some love after all...

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/64665.html
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/007837.html

This may lend support to rumors floating around about the possibility of a Wii hard drive (or something similar). 

[ChadTower]

The Wii probably doesn't really need a hard drive... large format SD cards are easy to get now.  Who is going to buy 8 gig worth of songs?

[DaveMMR]

The Wii probably doesn't really need a hard drive... large format SD cards are easy to get now.  Who is going to buy 8 gig worth of songs?

WiiWare titles have gotten humongous (relatively speaking) to the point where they take up a large chunk of internal memory and transferring them to and from an SD card takes minutes.  Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People, Ep. 1 took upwards of 10 minutes to transfer off the internal to the SD.  They need a hard drive (or similar) if they want to get the most out of WiiWare.

Back on topic: If the game can call the music off the SD fast enough, then that's fine enough for me. 

[ChadTower]

I can't remember for sure right now but I seem to remember reading that being unable to run stuff off of SD is a software restriction, not hardware.  Could be wrong, though.

I forget how many USB ports the Wii has?  I'm already using one so if there aren't two then I wouldn't be able to use a hard drive anyway.

[RyoriNoTetsujin]

Who is going to buy 8 gig worth of songs?

Hi there!    (RB1 transferred on-disc songs, plus about 80% of the total available DLC, including the 500+ MB Blood Sugar Sex Magik album released today on PSN.)  That's just over 6GB, with a couple hundred more tracks available before the end of the year.  It adds up quickly.

[hypernova]

How large is a typical song that can be downloaded on RB?

[versapak]

How large is a typical song that can be downloaded on RB?

I would say they average about 30 MB.

[testicle187]

Just so you guys know,  Guitar Hero World Tour is amazing.   I can't stop playing it, and I really liked Rock Band 2. 

The interface is better
Open strums on bass
Countdown timer when unpausing the game
Slide solos
GH3 content works
Rock Band drums work (but simplifies the drums down)
Shared star power
The song creator is really in-depth
Custom songs and classical songs (fur elise, greensleeves, etc) are there out of the box.


Hands down winner of the two for me.  BTW ---  Rock Revolution is really, really hard. 

[Dartful Dodger]

I thought it was being released next week.

[testicle187]

I thought it was being released next week.

You can get anything if you try hard enough. 

[ChadTower]

And the instruments too?

[DaveMMR]

I thought it was being released next week.

You can get anything if you try hard enough. 

For which console did you get it?

[testicle187]

I thought it was being released next week.

You can get anything if you try hard enough. 

For which console did you get it?

I got it for 360.  Also, I don't have the instruments for it yet.  I have been using my GH3 setup.  I plan on buying this game when it comes out for the instruments.

For the record:

Rock Band 1 Guitar Works great
Rock Band 1 Drums Work (It merges the drums into 4 instead of 5)

[Dartful Dodger]

Rock Band 1 Drums Work (It merges the drums into 4 instead of 5)

How does that work?

Are the drums in the same order from left to right as the columns on screen?

Do you still see 5 columns and the two on the right are for the right drum pad, or does it delete the last column on screen?

I was thinking of eventually getting the drum kit, but I'm just going to get the guitar and game bundle for now.

[testicle187]

Rock Band 1 Drums Work (It merges the drums into 4 instead of 5)

How does that work?

Are the drums in the same order from left to right as the columns on screen?

Do you still see 5 columns and the two on the right are for the right drum pad, or does it delete the last column on screen?

I was thinking of eventually getting the drum kit, but I'm just going to get the guitar and game bundle for now.

It spaces the columns out neatly and the colors line up with the rock band kits.  I can't figure out how to use star power with the drums though.  I can't watch the drum tutorial without the GH:WT drums either. 

[Dartful Dodger]

It spaces the columns out neatly and the colors line up with the rock band kits.

Excellent, I was afraid the drummer would have to get use to some funky drum pattern.

I'm not too worried about the star power since you can change difficulty during the song, if the drummer is starting to fail he can just drop down to easy until he recovers.


Hopefully the PS3 has the same features.

[Dartful Dodger]

I was up until midnight playing  GHWT.

I spent most of that time creating a new band, logo and characters.

When I actually started playing the single mode I was a little disapointed.

I guess I was use to RB's single mode, although I don't think that matters anymore because RB2 doesn't have a single mode.  I'd have to say that even though I knew Ozzy was a hidden character, when I actually unlocked him it made the game.  I know Ted Nugent is a hidden character too, hopefully they have others because having them make a grand appearance on stage during the song for the first time makes the game.

Next weekend I'll have a few friends over and we'll start a band career.  If it's like the single career mode it might not be as accepted by the singers in the group.  In Single mode you have to sing 3 songs that were already picked by the venue.  I liked the way RB had venues allowed you to pick the songs, I'm sure the singers are going to hate the prepicked songs too.

I bought the guitar bundle.  I was thinking that this game would reignite the fun I had when we first started playing RB.  So far it’s not.  It's hands down a better game than RB, but it's still the same game, I don't know what I was hoping for, but this wasn’t it.

If you have RB and a GH guitar already, save yourself 40 bucks and just get the game.  The touch pads seem as useful as those lower buttons on RB. A cute novelty but not worth having another guitar size game pad if you already have 2.

If you don't have RB then the full GHWT bundle is the best way to go.

This is only a semi review, plus I was use to RB, so maybe next week after I play with a group and get more use to the game I'll make GHWT a must have, right now I can only recommend buying GHWT CD only.  It’s only a must have if you don’t have RB.

[DaveMMR]

Thanks Dartful.  The decision is getting harder (between RBII and GHWT) so all the opinions help. 

I just played RBII last night and I was impressed and blown away by how fun it all was (keep in mind this is the first time I'm playing a game in the RB series).  I spent most of the night on vocals.  Despite having a horrid singing voice (I had to sing Alanis falsetto), I'm quite good at keeping pitch.  To sum it up, it's definitely something to consider (as opposed to GHWT). 

[Dartful Dodger]

Thanks Dartful.  The decision is getting harder (between RBII and GHWT) so all the opinions help. 

I haven't played RB2. but when I started losing interest in RB1 the one thing I thought would help keep my interest with GHWT was the customization.  I had created a Monkees band for RB, but I could only get Mickey and Peter to look like themselves and I couldn’t get the logo right either.

It took me 4 hours last night, but I now have a Monkees band that really looks like the Monkees.

I think having Davey on stage with Ozzy singing Mr. Crowley together made the game worth it for me.

[ChadTower]

You got a new version of the game and spent your first four hours creating a lookalike version of the Monkees?

 

[Dartful Dodger]

You got a new version of the game and spent your first four hours creating a lookalike version of the Monkees?

 

I created a lookalike version of the Monkees on RB.
I've recreated the Monkees on GHWT.

You could say I spent about 4 hours fooling around with the customizer to create the Monkees, if I had to do it over again it wouldn’t take half as long.

Although a guy with kids might think 2 hours on a Sunday night to recreate the Monkees would be 2 hours to long.




I was afraid to open up the music maker portion of the game, because I'd end up spending another 4 hours recreating their theme song.

[RTSDaddy2]

Just saw GHWT at Sears tonight, for the first time.

I am a singer / songwriter, and though I fonud the original fun to play, I didn't plunk the money down for it.

Since I already have a Wii, however, the create your own song feature has REALLY got  me interested. From what I've read online so far, it's a pretty good studio creation program.  Might be the first time I've ever put down $100 for a game, but this thing is really looking like it might be my Christmas present to myself.  I've read everything in this post so far, but nothing specific to the Wii....if you are a Wii owner and should get it before I do, your thoughts on the Wii version would be appreciated.