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120v switch delay for monitor
« on: June 26, 2008, 03:51:45 pm »
I'm using PC with Soft15khz to run my arcade monitor. For the first 45 seconds or so the screen is still in 60hz and I've heard this can be bad for the monitor. Is there some kind of delay switch with a 1 minute dial or something that will turn on the power to the monitor after the set time?

Any other ideas are welcomed.

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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 06:23:21 pm »
can be several ways of obtaining a delay.
might be helpful to know the make/model of monitor.

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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 12:34:53 am »
This may not work for you but if you have a J-Pac that will protect your monitor by breaking up the signal. I also think that you can just buy the video amp part from Andy's site:

http://www.ultimarc.com/vidamp.html

$21 will protect your screen.

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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 12:37:50 am »
FYI from Andy's site:
What does the J-PAC video circuitry do?

Besides amplifying the video level, the on-board video circuitry also synthesises composite sync from separate H-V sync from the VGA card. The J-PAC has a jumper which is set to the frequency that the monitor is designed for (most commonly 15Khz). The J-PAC will not pass the sync signal through unless it detects the signal is at the correct frequency for the monitor. Some older types of 15Khz monitor could be damaged if fed with a high sync rate. The J-PAC prevents this happening. If the sync rate is not in range, the monitor is still powered up and still has video passed to it but no damage can occur as the horizontal frequency cannot be driven too fast without any sync present. IMPORTANT: It is not a scan converter so you will have to configure the VGA card to send the correct sync rate for the monitor OR you can use our ArcadeVGA card which will drive a 15Khz monitor with no special configuration.

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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 11:39:56 pm »
can be several ways of obtaining a delay.
might be helpful to know the make/model of monitor.

It's an Electrohome G07 CB0

This may not work for you but if you have a J-Pac that will protect your monitor by breaking up the signal. I also think that you can just buy the video amp part from Andy's site:

http://www.ultimarc.com/vidamp.html

$21 will protect your screen.

I have a J-Pac I am saving for another project. The amplifier is a decent idea, but I'd still like to see some other ideas.

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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2008, 06:55:55 am »
I've used the amp.  It's extremely reasonable in price and dead easy to implement; practically plug and play.

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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2008, 12:33:22 pm »
The amp doesn't protect your monitor though like the jpac does.

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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2008, 04:42:38 pm »
So it says.  Me, I've never had a problem either way.  Turn it on and you get a double image until the program shifts the unit into 15KHz.  Doesn't whine or anything, which would be a dead giveaway that something's not good.

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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2008, 10:46:01 pm »
What about ideas for delaying power to the monitor automatically?

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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2008, 09:32:46 pm »
So it says.  Me, I've never had a problem either way.  Turn it on and you get a double image until the program shifts the unit into 15KHz.  Doesn't whine or anything, which would be a dead giveaway that something's not good.

This will depend on how the monitor is made.  On many fixed standard res monitors, the PLL for the horizontal oscillator won't be able to lock to 30kHz, so it'll lock onto every other edge at 15kHz, resulting in two lines of video being displayed on a single line for the double image effect.  This should not be harmful to the monitor.  However, just because it double-images most of the time doesn't mean it always will: if 30kHz is right at the edge of the loop bandwidth or VCO range, it may occasionally lock there.  This would be more likely to happen on switchable monitors, but I can't say I've ever had it happen to me.

The PLL of some monitors, especially those designed for use at (or switchable to) medium res (25kHz horizontal scan), may be able to lock their PLLs at 30kHz.  If this happens, bad things are likely to result (basically toasted horizontal stuff).  It may NOT whine if this happens, so don't take a lack of "whine" as a sure sign that you're OK.

The technique commonly used to protect monitors like this is to halve the horitzontal sync when it's out of range or turn it off entirely.  Halving it forces the double image thing, while turning it off entirely will result in video that's rolling in both directions as the PLLs on the monitor free-run.  Either should protect your monitor just fine.  I presume this is what the JPAC does as it's pretty trivial to program a micro to handle this.

All that said, the best off-the-shelf way to handle this would probably be to use a JPAC or similar.  I can do it much cheaper (a couple dollars), but I doubt you want to deal with bare chips.

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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2008, 09:57:16 pm »
I remembered a thread I read a while back about video cards...  I added an old AGP video card next to my FX5500 PCI and left the BIOS Video option set to PCI instead of AGP so the entire POST and XP logo are not displayed. Video only turns on when the Desktop is loaded at 15khz.  ;D
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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2009, 11:18:34 am »
I remembered a thread I read a while back about video cards...  I added an old AGP video card next to my FX5500 PCI and left the BIOS Video option set to PCI instead of AGP so the entire POST and XP logo are not displayed. Video only turns on when the Desktop is loaded at 15khz.  ;D

How can you do this if you only have PCI slots? My new Mobo only has PCI and PCI Express, no onboard video either.
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Re: 120v switch delay for monitor
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2009, 09:22:45 am »
Put 2 video cards in it, one will be the primary while windows boots, the other will only kick in once the drivers are loaded.

be aware there are compatibility issues with mix and matching chipset vendors.

Seems a waste of a video card when a solution has already being given that will solve it for less.