Does the PS3 SUCK ?

[david656]

I have owned a PS3 since last november and i gotta be honest here it SUCKS ASS ! everything about it is shocking !

i bought it to play SACD's but wait it will only play them in stereo even thou the disc is 7.1 ! i mean what is going on here !

ok the games are now fully dolby digital not prologic which is a shocker anyway ! but the games are crap !

the console is huge

the games amount to about 2 good games !

[CCM]

I like my PS3, there are plenty of good games coming out this year and I've played several so far that I really liked:

Assassins Creed
Oblivion
Uncharted
Grand Theft Auto IV
NHL 08
Rock Band



The main reason you bought a PS3 was to play SACD's???   

[Dartful Dodger]

No.

At 70 bucks a game 2 is all I can afford so I haven't bought any of the crap games.

I've rented a few bad Bluray movies though, but I can't blame the system for that.

[Ginsu Victim]

I've had no interest in owning a PS3. There a few games I'd like to try, but I have better things to spend money on (like my cabinet, or a new PC for the cabinet)

Plus, if I were to buy a new system, it would be an Xbox 360 over a PS3.

[AtomSmasher]

I like my PS3, there are plenty of good games coming out this year and I've played several so far that I really liked:

Assassins Creed
Oblivion
Uncharted
Grand Theft Auto IV
NHL 08
Rock Band

All but one of which is also one the 360 

I don't think the ps3 sucks (I voted no) since it does have quite a few good games, but the vast majority of those good games are also available on the 360.  It's definately worth getting as a bluray player, and it might be worth getting for the games in a year or so when a few more exclusives come out.

[CheffoJeffo]

The main reason you bought a PS3 was to play SACD's???   

Yeah, somebody should have read up on PS3s and SACD before they made their purchase ...

[DaveMMR]

No it doesn't suck but it's not living up to the potential of its predecessors with it's high price tag and dearth of exclusives.  I'm probably a poor judge since I've all but abandoned most of these dramatic, realistic, 60-hour, interactive narrative-type games (meaning the PS3's library is no longer my cup of tea), but it's just my impression that it seems to be lacking.

[gavkiwi]

hold the phone, NO it doesnt....okay I wanted a blu ray player, and bought the ps3 for that, the ability to play games to me is a bonus, I'm about to get GT prologue. . Finally, if you are into HD rips of tv shows, this thing is perfect for playing x264/720p rips of some of my favorite shows, House & Terminator shows looking amazing on this thing in HD. I love my ps3, its doing exactly what I wanted it to do, and that is to entertain me. 

P.S, the PSN, has been greatly improved, and the constant updates make this the best blu ray player on the market!

[patrickl]

The PS3 plays multichannel SACD over HDMI.

[DJ_Izumi]

Wow... I didn't know people even owned SACDs.

Anyway, I'm saving up for a PS3 now, I'll be getting a backwards compatable version.

1) Blu-Ray player with a nice menu, unlike the PS2 which had a pretty so-so OSD when it came to DVDs

2) I love my PSP for media payback and I'll love my PS3 just as much.

3) It can upscale PS1 and PS2 games to high def and apply AA to smooth them some.

4) I just can't play this PC hardware upgrade game of leapfrog that I have been since I was 15 anymore.  I just can't.  I'm getting one 7th gen console and it's gonna last me for YEARS.  No more upgrading ram and video cards and CPUs and hard drives! ...Well... Still hard drives.

5) Some PS3 games interest me incuding GTA4, Bioshock, Time Crisis 4, FF13 and others.

6) It won't EXPLODE if I look at it funny like a 360 would.

[loess]

i already have one, and plan to sell it

[patrickl]

To be honest I think every console sucks. A PC is just much better suited for playing games.

On the other hand, I have a Wii and PS3 now. The Wii is nice for my kid and GF while personally I enjoy just starting a quick game of GTAIV and hopefully soon race driver GRID (for now still GT5 prologue). It's nice to be able to play games simply sitting in the living room.

I choose the PS3. The Xbox 360 and PS3 seem pretty similar. Same games, same graphics. The Xbox 360 apparently has better online options, but the PS3 has a Blu-ray player. I value the Blu-Ray player higher than online functions. Especially with the HD setup you need for these new consoles I want to be able to properly play HD content. I'm not a big fan of online playing anyway. If I want to be insulted by a bunch of crappy kids I'll just go to the mall (or post in the PnR forum  )

What's really sad though is that I feel Nintendo dropped the ball on the Wii. Their controller is really great, but the console lacks the power for the PS3/Xbox360/PC games. GTAIV would have been so much better with the Wii controller. If only the Wii actually had some proper hardware inside the console. Every time I play GTAIV I feel depressed about what could have been. So sad, so sad. It would have been really easy to pick the best console if the Wii was in the same league as the PS3 and Xbox 360 hardware wise. As it is now, it's the PS3 for me and the Wii for the kid.

[david656]

The PS3 plays multichannel SACD over HDMI.

i gathered ! but when your using a creative sound blaster and creative speakers via optical HDMI isn't what i wanna hear ! still at least im getting DD in game 

btw im trying to play the great Jeff Waynes War Of The Worlds the musical !!! simply spectacular through stereo on these really nice CD's but should sound even better on 7.1 as they are SACD's too

[shmokes]

Go to www.metacritic.com and check out game scores for the systems if you think the PS3 has no good games.  It's got a damned sight more than Wii.  Xbox 360, with its 1-year head-start has by far the best library so far.  But PS3 is no slouch.  In another year the difference in libraries between 360 and PS3 will be meaningless.  PS3 is a great BluRay player (and SACD player, apparently); Xbox 360 has a better online component (though PS3's is free).  I personally want a PS3, but it seems to me that both consoles ought to make their owners happy -- especially owners of the new Xbox 360's being produced this summer with the new hardware that should take care of its ridiculous failure rate.

[patrickl]

The PS3 plays multichannel SACD over HDMI.

i gathered ! but when your using a creative sound blaster and creative speakers via optical HDMI isn't what i wanna hear ! still at least im getting DD in game 

btw im trying to play the great Jeff Waynes War Of The Worlds the musical !!! simply spectacular through stereo on these really nice CD's but should sound even better on 7.1 as they are SACD's too

From what I understand it's impossible to play multichannel SACD over optical. HDMI or using multiple optical outputs is really the only way. Multiple optical outputs is impractical and HDMI is the way of the future. If SACD is that important to you then get a modern HDMI receiver.

:edit: Was checking up on this and apparently there was a firmware version where this actually worked (2.00). The PS3 was transcoding the the DSD signal to the smaller bandwidth DTS over optical. Trouble is that this signal is unprotected and/or there might have been licensing issues. Either way, they took it awat with the next firmware release again.

[CheffoJeffo]

Yep ... and, as I understand it, the early PS3's didn't have the option to play multichannel SACD over HDMI.

david656 just didn't do his homework ... again ...

[DaveMMR]

I think some of the answers on this thread sum up my disappointment with Sony.   I loved the PS1 and PS2 but the shift in focus with the PSP and PS3 ("IT PLAYS MOVIES") seemed to work against them, in my opinion.

I'm sure PS3 is a fine Blu-Ray player and lots of you love burning your DVDs to Memory Sticks but it seems Sony can't walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.   The better their video playback capabilities became, the less appealing their exclusive line-up looked.  I'm in it for the games.   And despite metacritic's assertions, I see very little on the shelf that looks like it'll hold my attention (non-exclusives notwithstanding).  Even the PSP, which has been out for a few years, has next-to-nothing I would spend more than $15 on.

Again though, I have shifted focus in my gaming habits.  I'm the odd-man who thinks the Wii got it right, despite the lack of hardware-OOMPH under the hood.  It's the first console in a long time where I'm actually pursuing a wish-list of titles instead of forcing myself to pick up something on the hopes I have a shred of enjoyment.  But that's just me and I'm digressing...

[The Seventh Taylor]

The main reason you bought a PS3 was to play SACD's???   

Yeah, somebody should have read up on PS3s and SACD before they made their purchase ...

Right, the PS3 SACD FAQ, for instance.

[Dartful Dodger]

Right, the PS3 SACD FAQ, for instance.

This is an odd first post.

[patrickl]

I think some of the answers on this thread sum up my disappointment with Sony.   I loved the PS1 and PS2 but the shift in focus with the PSP and PS3 ("IT PLAYS MOVIES") seemed to work against them, in my opinion.

I'm sure PS3 is a fine Blu-Ray player and lots of you love burning your DVDs to Memory Sticks but it seems Sony can't walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.   ...

Nonsense. The Blu-Ray player doesn't diminish gaming capabilities. It simply makes sense to use the tech, that enables gaming, also for viewing movies. The Xbox does exactly the same, but it lacks a Blu-ray player (and doesn't even have the HD DVD player as standard) so it's stuck on DVD.

Again though, I have shifted focus in my gaming habits.  I'm the odd-man who thinks the Wii got it right, despite the lack of hardware-OOMPH under the hood.  It's the first console in a long time where I'm actually pursuing a wish-list of titles instead of forcing myself to pick up something on the hopes I have a shred of enjoyment.  But that's just me and I'm digressing...

Indeed if you think Wii games are great then you are probably not in the PS3 / Xbox 360 target audience. My point is more that, if the Wii had more power it could have done both. It could have ran the games for the casual gamer (ie the Nintendo games and party stuff) while also allow games like GTA IV or Race Driver GRID

[DaveMMR]

Nonsense. The Blu-Ray player doesn't diminish gaming capabilities. It simply makes sense to use the tech, that enables gaming, also for viewing movies. The Xbox does exactly the same, but it lacks a Blu-ray player (and doesn't even have the HD DVD player as standard) so it's stuck on DVD.

I'm not saying it physically affects the game capabilities.   The PS3s potential remains unchanged.  I was saying that Sony is just playing the movie angle a little too much and it seems that game selection is taking a backseat. 

[patrickl]

Nonsense. The Blu-Ray player doesn't diminish gaming capabilities. It simply makes sense to use the tech, that enables gaming, also for viewing movies. The Xbox does exactly the same, but it lacks a Blu-ray player (and doesn't even have the HD DVD player as standard) so it's stuck on DVD.

I'm not saying it physically affects the game capabilities.   The PS3s potential remains unchanged.  I was saying that Sony is just playing the movie angle a little too much and it seems that game selection is taking a backseat. 

How would that work then?

[shmokes]

It all comes down to personal taste, I suppose.  But there are hardly any worthwhile games on Wii.  Certainly less than either the PS3 or 360 (way way way way less than 360).  Now there are a few VERY worthwhile games on the Wii, like Super Mario Galaxy and Boom Blox, but they are few and far between, and certainly far fewer in number than those on the competitors' consoles.

[CCM]

It all comes down to personal taste, I suppose.  But there are hardly any worthwhile games on Wii.  Certainly less than either the PS3 or 360 (way way way way less than 360).  Now there are a few VERY worthwhile games on the Wii, like Super Mario Galaxy and Boom Blox, but they are few and far between, and certainly far fewer in number than those on the competitors' consoles.

You say it comes down to personal taste, then in the next breath you say there are no worthwhile games on the wii.. 

If' it's personal taste, then someone may find alot of games for the wii enjoyable and worthwhile.

I don't have a wii, so I can't comment on the games for it, but it's hard to argue with the number of sales...

[shmokes]

but it's hard to argue with the number of sales...

No it's not.  It comes down to personal taste, but if your going to take that to the extreme you can simply make no quality judgments at all.  Clean water is no better than dirty water, because some people might not like the taste of clean water.  First class is no better than coach because far more people fly coach.  A pasta dinner at a five-star italian restaurant is no better than Chef Boyardee because a five year old will take the Chef Boyardee any day of the week.  The Wii has an inferior software lineup, as objectively as clean water is better than dirty water.  The fact that there it is possible to disagree is barely meaningful.

[patrickl]

Boom Blox is amazingly addictive yes. It's too easy though. Which is the biggest problem with most Wii games. Even at "expert level" (or whatever it's called in the specific games) the games are no real challenge.

I guess it depends on what you call worthwhile. For my kid I doubt there are many PS3 games he can actually play. Same with my Girlfriend. They love the Wii. If you just want a quick and relaxing (ie easy) game then the Wii is the better bet.

I really love the Playstation 3 (probably would have loved the Xbox 360 too). I just got Race Driver GRID. It's truly an amazing race game. GTA IV is amazing too. sometimes I just take a trip through Liberty City. Steal a car and go sightseeing.

[AtomSmasher]

Sigh, here we go again.

Instead of saying the same things I've said in multiple other threads, I'll just say that of the current consoles, the Wii has the most games that I want to play, with the 360 a close second, and the PS3 a distant third.  And most of the games I'd want to play on the PS3 are also available on the less expensive 360, which means as of right now theres pretty much no reason for me to get a PS3 for gaming.  And I am not a fanboy, little kid or a casual gamer if thats what anyone is thinking.

[patrickl]

It's ok that you like Wii games. We won't hold it against you 

[shmokes]

Sigh, here we go again.

Sigh, let me explain again:  there are more people in the world than AtomSmasher.  If you have a foot fetish, and only foot porn turns you on, there are very specific places you will go for porn that don't cater to the larger population.  Generalities about porn proclivities probably won't apply to you.  Get over it.  I'm speaking in generalities right now.  Generalities, by definition, do not apply to everyone. 

[Dartful Dodger]

At least the wii games are cheap.  A 20 dollar POS game will at least be played once by you and it will add to your library and every once in a while a guest might even want to try it.

When I was buying GTA4 for the PS3 the sales guy handed me a box that wasn't sealed in plastic.  I asked him if I looked 13.  Then said I'm not paying over 60 bucks for a game that's been opened.  He then went back and got me one that was sealed.

[shmokes]

I'm still waiting to find out whether you look like you're 13.

[AtomSmasher]

Sigh, here we go again.

Sigh, let me explain again:  there are more people in the world than AtomSmasher.  If you have a foot fetish, and only foot porn turns you on, there are very specific places you will go for porn that don't cater to the larger population.  Generalities about porn proclivities probably won't apply to you.  Get over it.  I'm speaking in generalities right now.  Generalities, by definition, do not apply to everyone. 

I'm sighing because this is probably the 10th thread were you've said pretty much the exact same thing.  Anytime someone even mentions a Wii, either you or patrickl comes in and basically say that it is the worst console of this generation, even if that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Take a look at the recent thread in the console section.  A guy asks if he's found a good deal on the Wii, then patrickl and you come in and explain why he shouldn't get a Wii.  He didn't ask if the Wii itself is any good, he asked if the deal was any good, but you guys ignored his question and made sure to let him know your thoughts on the console.

As I said, here we go again.

[shmokes]

Don't be a baby.  The title of this thread is, "Does the PS3 SUCK ?"  Implicit in that question is, ". . . compared to the Xbox 360 and the Wii."  Someone said that there were few good PS3 games, and I responded saying that there are more good PS3 games than there are Wii games, and less than there are Xbox 360 games.  It's not like I went on some fanboy rant.  If you're tired of having the argument, stop acting like I'm personally insulting you, or that you need to rush to Nintendo's defense when I state a fact that is true for the majority of gamers.  I could not care less whether you personally like Wii games more than PS3 games.  I've never even played a PS3 in my life.  But the fact that you don't personally care for foreign language films does not make those films bad.  Maybe the PS3 has a lot of games that don't appeal to you personally, but that doesn't make the PS3 library bad.  Can you not understand that?  When we're talking about the libraries overall, the Xbox 360 has the largest library of good games, followed by the PS3, followed by the Nintendo Wii.  Get over it.  It's not like you invented the Wii.

[patrickl]

Sorry, but my experience with the Wii is such that I would never advise anyone to buy a Wii unless he's really sure he will like the games (or his kids or mom do). It's just simple statistics that most people don't enjoy their Wii for more than a few months. So I think it's fair to warn the guy of this. I'd feel personally guilty if the guy came back in a few months complaining how his Wii purchase was a complete waste of money.

If you feel so strongly that everybody should spend their money on a Wii then you could explain the guy what you like about it instead. Or you can take it as a personal insult and whine about how people are trolling everytime it comes up.

Besides, you do own a Xbox 360 too, so you must have been missing something in the Wii too. It's nice telling about how the Wii is the greatest console ever when you are playing GTA IV on your Xbox 360.

[CheffoJeffo]

Just to get this train-wreck back on topic ...


The PS3 sucks!


 

[AtomSmasher]

If you're tired of having the argument, stop acting like I'm personally insulting you,

lol, your the one who acted like I personally insulted you by saying "there are more people in the world than AtomSmasher" and going on about strange sexual fetishes when my first post mearly said that I'm tired of this argument and that I enjoy more games on the Wii then on other consoles.

Also, go back and read my first post in this thread, you might find it enlightening since you seem believe that I think the PS3 has a bad library of games (it just has a bad library of exclusives IMO, but it seems you should know that since we've already been over that exact thing in at least 3 other threads).

As I've said multiple times, I'm tired of this argument, so you won't see me saying I enjoy the Wii in the next dozen or so threads where you guys say it's library sucks.  Or maybe I'll just post links to the previous debates since it's all been said before.  Have fun repeating yourself though.

[shardian]

While I don't think the PS3 sucks, I also don't think it is great. I was shocked as the size and weight of the thing.

Gameplay is pretty much the same as the PS2 on the games I have played - they just look way better. The only real improvement in gameplay is the addition of the online content aspect, and larger and more detailed maps. In the grand scheme of things, that stuff is really just standard improvements for a new gen console. The PS3 does not have a "gotta have it" feature that the ps1 and ps2 had. And yes, the price is WAY too high.

The only thing that the PS3 offers over the Xbox is the blu ray movie player and 1080p. For most people, both of those features are not draw points.

It also seems that most of the exclusive games are FPS games. I personally like the Xbox controllers MUCH better for FPS. I really think Sony should have tweaked and redesigned the controller if they were going to concentrate so much on FPS games.

[AtomSmasher]

Besides, you do own a Xbox 360 too, so you must have been missing something in the Wii too. It's nice telling about how the Wii is the greatest console ever when you are playing GTA IV on your Xbox 360.

Just because the Wii has the most games I enjoy doesn't mean I hate all games on all other consoles.  If that were the case, then I would be a Nintendo fanboy.  The Wii is not the greatest console ever (it just *currently* has more games I enjoy then other consoles in this generation) and not everyone should buy it, but it's also not the horrid console with virtually no good games that you make it out to be.  Anyways, I'm finished with derailing the thread, so feel free to post whatever you like without fear of a response.

[patrickl]

While I don't think the PS3 sucks, I also don't think it is great. I was shocked as the size and weight of the thing.

I plan on putting it out of sight. Not just because it's hideous, but it's annoyingly noisy too.

Gameplay is pretty much the same as the PS2 on the games I have played - they just look way better. The only real improvement in gameplay is the addition of the online content aspect, and larger and more detailed maps. In the grand scheme of things, that stuff is really just standard improvements for a new gen console. The PS3 does not have a "gotta have it" feature that the ps1 and ps2 had.

Well when you play a game like GTA IV, it's just a much more complete and enjoyable game than it was on the PS2. The graphics in GTA IV are not overly impressive, but the level detail in the world is.

A game like Race Driver GRID is simply the most sensational racing game I ever played. Mostly because of the great gameplay. Maybe the PS2 would be capable of running the physics engine, but with this type of game the graphics do add to the magic.

The only thing that the PS3 offers over the Xbox is the blu ray movie player and 1080p. For most people, both of those features are not draw points.

In the US this might be true, but in Europe I think full HD and Blu-Ray is more important. On the other hand the US market is probably by far the biggest of the world.

Oddly enough, the PS3 has been outselling the Xbox 360 for the last 6 months though

It also seems that most of the exclusive games are FPS games. I personally like the Xbox controllers MUCH better for FPS. I really think Sony should have tweaked and redesigned the controller if they were going to concentrate so much on FPS games.

Indeed, I forgot how bad the playstation controllers were. I gave my PS2 away years ago, but now picking up a PS3, the controllers are amazingly bad. Not sure if they are too small for my hands or something? The joysticks feel overly sensitive too (or maybe that's just because of the 2 games I played)

[shmokes]

I'm pretty sure that Xbox 360 does 1080p without any problem.  In fact, I think Xbox 360 has more games running in 1080p than PS3, but I could be wrong on that.

Also, on the noise, I have always understood that the PS3 runs super quiet and relatively cool.  I know that the Xbox 360 sounds like you have a jet engine running in the house, but I thought the PS3 was supposed to be quiet.  Can any other PS3 owners comment on this?

BTW, it is large, but I think the PS3 is an attractive machine.  I've always thought the Xbox 360 was hideous (though not nearly as ugly as its predecessor).  The Wii is has a lovely design, but it could never look the way it does if it wasn't so underpowered so its design is a bit of a double-edged sword.