Neighborhood problem turns violent

[polaris]

shardian , that vid was funny.


maybe you can tell us any updates on this, now we can have a rational discussion in here without someone thinking its about them.

[shardian]

Well, I wrote a letter to the local paper, asking if they had heard of the story, and gave them some a general overview to get them interested. Basically, I could care less about the details of the story being covered - they are really irrelevant to the real issue. I voiced my opinion that there needs to be a leash law in our county, and that animal control and the sheriff's office need to get off their asses and do something proactive before we have a repeat of what happened to the 2 year old down in Huntington in our area.

It is my hope that if the news agencies have something to grab onto, that they can run with it like they are so good at doing.

I got a response, but unfortunately my spam filter is acting up and ate it...well technically I deleted it. 
The yahoo spam filter has been getting more than a few real emails lately, so I have to scan it every day now - kinda defeats the point of a spam filter huh? Anyways, I was looking down thru there and saw an email from some random name that looked just like all the other generated name, but the subject was "Pit Bull Shooting", no reply markings or anything. I thought to myself, "damn those spammers are getting good", then hit the empty junk button. As soon as I hit it, I realized what I did.

Anyways, I have to write them back and tell them I didn't get it.

[patrickl]

And all of that brings us back to the question I keep asking over and over and over again:

How do you preemptively ban the bad owners without banning the dogs entirely?

What's wrong with banning pit bulls? Why do they ban Puma's as pets? Puma's are just as docile as a regular house cat.

In more than half the cases where a pit maimed or killed a person the dog showed no aggressive behavior before it's attack. The dog might be sick, bumbed out because of noisy house renovations, annoying kids or whatever and in a reflex it might suddenly attack. Just like any dog might (or other dogs might do so even more often). The point is that IF they bite they maime or kill. Mostly without warning. These dogs are just too dangerous to keep in public.

[ChadTower]

Well, the thing is, in our country we have these notions of "innocent until proven guilty" and "personal liberty" and "err on the side of letting a guilty man go free" so the pitbull argument is kinda tough.

Since when do Constitutional protections apply to dogs?  Personal liberty I can buy as a point - the liberty to own a pit bull.  I just don't see the others as having anything to do with an animal.

Those lines exist for other dangerous animals already, right?  How many people do you know that own a tiger or a wolverine?  If it was going to be anyplace, it would be in Texas, with all that personal freedom and space for ranching, yes? 

[FrizzleFried]

I've never owned a Bull Terrier...but I've known a few.  Most were real sweet dogs...a couple were ---uvulas---.  It's not the dog but the owner.  Yes,  more thugs and asshats are drawn to Bull Terriers for some reason,  hence the reason why so many are in the spotlight for bing "bad dogs"...

Bad owner = bad dog regardless of the breed.

[patrickl]

Bad owner = bad dog regardless of the breed.

Still,  bad dog+devastating bite  is worse than bad dog+itsy bitsy bite.   It's the damage that a pitbul can do that makes it unfit for keeping as a pet. Just like Tigers, Lions and Puma's.

[FrizzleFried]

Bad owner = bad dog regardless of the breed.

Still,  bad dog+devastating bite  is worse than bad dog+itsy bitsy bite.   It's the damage that a pitbul can do that makes it unfit for keeping as a pet. Just like Tigers, Lions and Puma's.

I am pretty sure there are other breeds that have as destructive of a bite.  Do you propose we ban all breeds with a bad bite?  Rotts?  Boxers?  Labs?  Golden Retrievers?  Mastiffs?   The list goes on and on and on.  The reason this breed has a bad rep is because all the thuggs out there want to own one and make it mean.   It's not the dogs fault. 

A few years back a Palmaranean killed a baby...lets BAN Palms?

[ChadTower]

Pomeranian?   

[polaris]

Pomegranate?   

[ChadTower]

Pomes Penyeach

He travels after a winter sun,
Urging the cattle along a cold red road,
Calling to them, a voice they know,
He drives his beasts above Cabra.

The voice tells them home is warm.
They moo and make brute music with their hoofs.
He drives them with a flowering branch before him,
Smoke pluming their foreheads.

Boor, bond of the herd,
Tonight stretch full by the fire!
I bleed by the black stream
For my torn bough!

(get more obscure than that - I dare you)

[patrickl]

Bad owner = bad dog regardless of the breed.

Still,  bad dog+devastating bite  is worse than bad dog+itsy bitsy bite.   It's the damage that a pitbul can do that makes it unfit for keeping as a pet. Just like Tigers, Lions and Puma's.

I am pretty sure there are other breeds that have as destructive of a bite.  Do you propose we ban all breeds with a bad bite?  Rotts?  Boxers?  Labs?  Golden Retrievers?  Mastiffs? 

All dog breeds that cause an excessive amount of maims and kills should be banned yes. At the very least Pits (and all related breeds), Rotts, Wolf hybrids and Mastiffs. These few breeds together are responsible for at least 2 thirds of all maimings and killings of humans by dogs. Even though in numbers they only make up a small portion of the total number of dogs. That's over a thousand dead or maimed people in the Clifton research.

[Dartful Dodger]

4 pages and no violence?!?

It’s like watching a two hour movie that’s rated R for language.

[xar256]

Pomeranian?   

Tell me you wouldn't want to Ban this?   

[polaris]

(get more obscure than that - I dare you)

my country's finest and his people.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz5qeyggSAM[/youtube]

[FrizzleFried]

Pomeranian?   

Whatever...I can't spell that little furballs name...

[ChadTower]

my country's finest and his people.

I don't see the Pome- tie in.

[markrvp]

So do you have any more news on what charges have been filed against the guy who shot the dog?

[AcidArmitage]

gangsta

[polaris]

my country's finest and his people.

I don't see the Pome- tie in.

i took it to the next level. james joyce rhymes with max boyce( the guy singing ) max boyce is somewhat of a folk hero in Wales, he has a big appeal to rugby fans.
you won though i had to google yours to make any sense of it, thats why i went ultra obscure.

[ChadTower]

That's okay, Acid brought it back we went from James Joyce to Jim Jones.

Which leads us to... Jeff Jarrett.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o8JT5Ikc6Y[/youtube]

[Jdurg]

J-E-Double-F, J-A-Double-R-E-Double_T.  Thas Right.  Jeff Jarrett.


Wow.  This thread has now officially gone to every topic on every end of the earth.  What else can we bring into this?   

[ChadTower]

I'll swing it back around on topic.

[Jdurg]

I'll swing it back around on topic.

 

Random piece of novelty award goes to ChadTower.  I now have to clean up the water I just spit all over my monitor upon seeing that.  Good job sir!!!   

[polaris]

I miss tommy  

[billf]

I miss tommy  

Wow!  A three day timeout.  What prompted that?  Tommy being Tommy.

[ChadTower]

Wow!  A three day timeout.

EDIT:  I think I found him.  He seems to like wine.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02V9Y0gkMqo[/youtube]

[polaris]

 
awesome, that dudes got issues. i liked their choice of amy winehouse for the outro, bless her.
i do worry about some of the things you find online chad 

[ChadTower]

   I could see how that would raise concern.  Around Halloween every year, DirecTV channel 101 shows a bunch of horror movies hosted Elvira style.  These movies are hosted by that dude and a hot chick in a leather bustier.  I wanted to see more of that chick so I googled her... much like Elvira, she's not nearly as hot without the outfit and context.  So then I googled the guy and found out he really is a total freak, as you can see.     Go to  his youtube page and check out the film Hollow... about a guy who lives in a tree and how he gets spare cash.   

[polaris]

i love goths, they're ---smurfing--- hilarious. miserable ---daisies--- as what they are.

i cant imagine this ad was on in the us ,so enjoy

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yc8evQ4u20[/youtube]

[ChadTower]

I used to live in Salem, MA... biggest goth tourist destination in north america.  On Halloween there would literally be a quarter million goths walking around a town that normally has 40,000 people.  They'd hold massive ceremonies in city parks that you could hear from my house.   

[shardian]

Apparently, that MF dog actually DID survive.

http://www.putnamlive.com/DogShotChargesWillBeFiled.html

It was rushed to a veterinarian who determined that the bullet somehow managed to miss the animals brain and other organs before exiting the dog.

What are the odds of that with a noggin that big?

Anyways, I've been told that the guy will probably just end up with a $150 fine once all is said and done. I'm sure that he'll be more than happy to take another crack if the dog starts hanging around the neighborhood again.

And for Tommy's sake since he'll eventually post again, the newspaper was responsible and identified the dog as a Staffordshire Terrier instead of the generic "Pit Bull". It doesn't matter though, because even Stafforshire breeders adamantly say that if a Staffordshire is allowed to run loose they can be a dangerous dog - more so than other breeds due to their nature of unprovoked aggressiveness to other animals.

[patrickl]

Lol that's some investigative reporting. All they have to go on is what the police told them?

[tk_42_1]

You gotta look out for those Terriers.  Mine can be vicious.

[shardian]

You gotta look out for those Terriers.  Mine can be vicious.

hehe.

Dog names can be very misleading can't they. By using the Stafforshire terrier name, it sure casts a completely different light on the story huh?

A Stafforshire Terrier, or better known as "those cuddly dogs that get tossed in with Pit Bulls", is alot more intimidating in real life than the name says. That specific dog, while I am sure is the sweetest dog in the world to his family, is pretty damn scary when he's coming at you as a stranger.

Here's a pic that vaguely resembles the victim dog. The real dog has a different head shape, which more closely resembles a Pit Bulls head...but WAY bigger. No joke, his head was the size of a basketball.

[billf]

More like this American Staffordshire Terrier?

[shardian]

Yeah, thats pretty much it though I've never seen the dog smile. He's either sad or pissed off most of the time.

Their looks can vary quite a bit in the face apparently. I guess it depends on the blood lines. Some have more defined muzzles that typical dog breeds have, and others have what I call the typical "in-line" terrier muzzle. This dog is about half and half.

[SithMaster]

Apparently, that MF dog actually DID survive.

http://www.putnamlive.com/DogShotChargesWillBeFiled.html

It was rushed to a veterinarian who determined that the bullet somehow managed to miss the animals brain and other organs before exiting the dog.

What are the odds of that with a noggin that big?

Anyways, I've been told that the guy will probably just end up with a $150 fine once all is said and done. I'm sure that he'll be more than happy to take another crack if the dog starts hanging around the neighborhood again.

And for Tommy's sake since he'll eventually post again, the newspaper was responsible and identified the dog as a Staffordshire Terrier instead of the generic "Pit Bull". It doesn't matter though, because even Stafforshire breeders adamantly say that if a Staffordshire is allowed to run loose they can be a dangerous dog - more so than other breeds due to their nature of unprovoked aggressiveness to other animals.

One lucky dog.

If this doesnt prove pit bulls arent a dangerous breed i dont know what does. 

[XyloSesame]

Since the dog survived, it looks like your neighborhood problems aren't over, shardian. As cold-hearted as it may sound, I had hoped for your sake the dog hadn't survived.

Now you have to deal with both the dog and the Hatfields and McCoys.

Good luck - I've got a friend dealing with a Pit that moved in across the street from him. He's got three kids and a keen eye on that dog, but no Pit Bull Repellent. And by Pit Bull Repellent, I mean gun.

[shardian]

I would SURELY hope the owner wouldn't let the dog run free again once it is healed up. Like I said before, I know he was only in the house to fix/resell. Here's hoping to him getting it on the market this spring and a fast sell.

One thing REALLY does irritate me though. I understand what the guy did was pretty out there and he definitely has anger issues, so that kills his case. However, he isn't near the monster that people will think after reading that article. There is no mention that the dog was allowed to run loose. There is no mention that the dog attacked HIS dog and HIS daughter. (the daughter thing is still alleged in my book because I did not witness anything, but the whole arguement started with the mom calling out the female dog owner and saying she had pictures from the last time the dog attacked her daughter). I do know that the shooter had addressed the issue and previous "attack" with the homeowners association President, who promised to address it, then did nothing just like he did with me.  ( I waited almost 2 weeks with multiple "CJ's my buddy, I'll talk to him tonight so don't worry about it" over the timespan.) I do not know if the shooter followed up with complaints with animal control or not though. Considering I had to harrass the hell out of them to get them out there,he might have called but there wouldn't be a record of it if they blew him off.

I get the feeling I know who "emailed" the news group considering "Staffordshire Terrier" is so plainly spelled out. I remember getting the "he's just a harmless Staffordshire Terrier" story from the owner still.

I have this to say: ---fudgesicle--- the owner, and ---fudgesicle--- anyone else who lets their mother ---smurfing--- dog run around a close spaced residential neighborhood 24/7. It's YOUR ---smurfing--- dog, YOU ---smurfing--- deal with it on YOUR OWN ---smurfing--- property, you piece of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---!

Whew, that felt good. I just wish I was enough of an ---uvula--- to say that in public. Sometimes I admire PBJ for that ability. 

[ChadTower]

You can call the newspaper and fill them in on the details they weren't given, of course... that would make it a substantially more newsworthy story for them.  Plus newspapers really don't like being taken for a ride like that and tend to be a little vicious when given the rest of the story.