Jamie Lynne Spears Preggo

[shardian]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/19/spears.sister.ap/index.html

Wow, I guess she is trying to out trailer trash ol' big sis huh?

I guess the pic below need to be updated now.

[lharles]

Ah, yes.  There's much to be said for THAT gene pool.  I can only hope the sarcasm came across in my last sentence. 

Anyway, maybe the younger one will feel a bit motivated as a parent than the older seems to be...

[Neilyboy]

wasn't their mother about to release a book or something about parenting and now the publisher put the book on indefinite hold. lol..

Neil

[shardian]

...and my wife wonders why I say absolutely HELL NO to even considering ever putting our daughter in acting/modeling.

I have to wonder if it will even be possible to keep my little girl a "little girl". Its damn sad that parents are lucky to keep thier kids "young" until even 10.

Can you imagine all the 10 year old girls that watch Spears' Disney show? Their "hero" is having sex and getting pregnant.

I'm still waiting for the Hannah Montana sex scandal to break. It should be any time now. I bet media outlets already have a graphic prepared for it just in case.

[lharles]

I'm still waiting for the Hannah Montana sex scandal to break. It should be any time now. I bet media outlets already have a graphic prepared for it just in case.

What's weird is YOUR statement should be a 'Ha-Ha!' type...but I'm certain that you're right.  They stockpile that crap like nobody knows.  Pre-staged, packaged tributes to not yet dead celebrities and politicos, scandals waiting to happen or under wraps for some reason or another.  Good times.   

[mpm32]

You know, I would never let my 8 yo daughter watch Zoey because I knew something like this would happen.  I do let her watch Hannah and I'm praying that something like this doesn't happen to her.

[Ed_McCarron]

I do let her watch Hannah and I'm praying that something like this doesn't happen to her.

I don't foresee this.  Her dad doesn't seem like the type to let it.

[boykster]

I do let her watch Hannah and I'm praying that something like this doesn't happen to her.

I don't foresee this.  Her dad doesn't seem like the type to let it.

But don't tell my heart....

[Daniel270]

But don't tell my heart....

For the love of God... please don't finish that line!   It's taken YEARS to get it out of my head!!!   

[shardian]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EebObs-vC0[/youtube]

You know why this is extra evil? because you know deep within yourself that you CANNOT resist hitting the play button.

[MikeQ]

I haven't heard a word about the boyfriend being brought up on charges.  She's 16, he's 19.  These 2 should be made an example.  Jamie should lose her career and the dude should go to jail for a couple years.

[Ed_McCarron]

She's 16, he's 19. 

Theres those top-notch parenting skills in play.

Lets LET our daughter break the law... Shes in looooove...

[Jouster]

Actually I don't believe there's any violation there.  You are allowed like 4 years or something leeway.  Basically allows a senior to date a freshman without penalty.

I could be wrong but that's what I've always known.  Still doesn't make it smart...but I don't recall accusations of ample brains in the Spears family being plastered in the news.

Jouster

[MikeQ]

Dating is not sex and in some states it only 2 years.  I'm pretty sure I've seen dudes on Dateline NBC's "To Catch a Predator" who were in the same age range and got busted.

[shardian]

Actually I don't believe there's any violation there.  You are allowed like 4 years or something leeway.  Basically allows a senior to date a freshman without penalty.

I could be wrong but that's what I've always known.  Still doesn't make it smart...but I don't recall accusations of ample brains in the Spears family being plastered in the news.

Jouster

It varies state by state. Just ask Genarlo Wilson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_v._State_of_Georgia

[shardian]

IIRC, in my state, the rule is 3 years difference.

[ChadTower]

They may be total trash but they have some fine looking genes in that family.  Keep knocking that chick up and take the babies for adoption.

[mpm32]

If you like the thick neck, thick thigh and short leg gene.   

[ChadTower]

Take another look at that picture in the first post.  Tell me that 14 year old wouldn't become a fine looking 18 year old with decent parenting.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Yeah! for Abstinence Only education! Can't waiting for that parenting 101 book from this girl's mother. I hear she's been working on it since right before Britney got knocked up by KFed. (even though she claimed she was going to be a virgin until marriage.)

[patrickl]

Yeah! for Abstinence Only education! Can't waiting for that parenting 101 book from this girl's mother. I hear she's been working on it since right before Britney got knocked up by KFed. (even though she claimed she was going to be a virgin until marriage.)

She's probably a great parent. Dring the writing of the book she just didn't have the time to do any parenting and that's when it must have gone wrong 

[shardian]

She can still release the book. The Publisher just has to add a "not" between "how" and "to".

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Let me clarify as well, I do not think the Spear's mom is a "bad parent" because her daughter got pregnant. Plenty of teens, brought up by good parents are wont to do what teens do, ie: get their freak on.

I do think, however, that any parent who buys into this abstinence only bs is a bad parent because they refuse to acknowledge the risks their teens face with unprotected sex. It's like believing that driver's ed will cause the kid to get into more accidents. 

[ChadTower]

Let me clarify as well, I do not think the Spear's mom is a "bad parent" because her daughter got pregnant. Plenty of teens, brought up by good parents are wont to do what teens do, ie: get their freak on.

Getting pregnant doesn't make her mom a bad parent but the 5000 other pieces of evidence of bad parenting make her a bad parent.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Well, that too. I was speaking strictly in the context of this story though.

[ChadTower]

Well, that too. I was speaking strictly in the context of this story though.

Fair enough.  You can take the girls out of the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out of the girls.

[mpm32]

Take another look at that picture in the first post.  Tell me that 14 year old wouldn't become a fine looking 18 year old with decent parenting.

Well one man's trash is another man's treasure.   lol  I kill myself.


I don't think I'd ever post her or her sister to the cake thread.

[polaris]

IIRC, in my state, the rule is 3 years difference.

what does this mean shardian, you can only be three years older than your partner?

[ChadTower]

what does this mean shardian, you can only be three years older than your partner?

If your partner or you are underage.  Once you're both of age it's all good.

[polaris]

ahh, right i see. as a weird defence are there any states in the us where its ok to get knocked up at sixteen and would claiming you did it in that state negate other state laws?

[ChadTower]

ahh, right i see. as a weird defence are there any states in the us where its ok to get knocked up at sixteen and would claiming you did it in that state negate other state laws?

There are even stronger laws against transporting minors across state lines for sexual purposes.  That turns your state crime into a federal crime.

[polaris]

thats pretty whacky isnt it, suppose thats what comes from having individual state laws. having sex in one state would be legal but getting there would be the crime. you crazy americans

[Ed_McCarron]

There are even stronger laws against transporting minors across state lines for sexual purposes.  That turns your state crime into a federal crime.

---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, I took a 17 year old cross country for a robotics competition I was attending.  I wouldn't even contemplate it without his mother getting paperwork notarized that I had the legal right to do so, and was authorized to OK medical attention for him if needed.

[ChadTower]

In a lot of those states wouldn't 17 be an adult?  You'd be free and clear to bang him all you wanted.

[mpm32]

Damn, I just spit out my soda.  LOL

[ChadTower]

I dunno.. there's got to be -some- reason that this law exists, and maybe people really did drive to other states...?  Seems like a lot of work to me.  :-P

There are state-line transport laws for a LOT of things like this... it is to prevent the people in a neighboring state from coming over, as you say, but also to prevent jurisdiction conflicts when someone is committing a type of crime in multiple states (like trafficking).

[mountain]

In a lot of those states wouldn't 17 be an adult?  You'd be free and clear to bang him all you wanted.

Damn it Chad!

Me bursting out in laughter while at work ain't cool, knock it off.

[SirPeale]

I haven't heard a word about the boyfriend being brought up on charges.  She's 16, he's 19.  These 2 should be made an example.  Jamie should lose her career and the dude should go to jail for a couple years.

Absolutely.  We should just ruin any teenagers lives whenever this happens.  

[Dartful Dodger]

He's an adult, she isn't.

Yes, we should ruin the lives of all pedophiles.

[MikeQ]

I haven't heard a word about the boyfriend being brought up on charges.  She's 16, he's 19.  These 2 should be made an example.  Jamie should lose her career and the dude should go to jail for a couple years.

Absolutely.  We should just ruin any teenagers lives whenever this happens.  

I agree.  Start making people responsible for their own stupidity.

[SirPeale]

He's an adult, she isn't.

Yes, we should ruin the lives of all pedophiles.

You're talking about three years between them.  It's not like the guy's 35. 

And he seems to be stepping up and doing the responsible thing and doing what's right for the kid.  Yeah, lets stick him in jail. 

[mr.Curmudgeon]

He's an adult, she isn't.

Yes, we should ruin the lives of all pedophiles.

Like Peale said, he's 19, she's 16. Your definition of "pedophile" is pretty broad. In fact, from what I understand, he's one year out from it having been a less severe offense...ie: it's not prosecuted as an adult offense if you're only two years older than the 16-yr old minor.

So, yeah, the guy made a mistake, but your desire to ruin his life is more about making you happy than doing what's best for the child he has created. Yay! Let's ruin the kids life by painting his/her father as a child rapist. Where's the torches and pitch-forks? 

And you consider yourself a compassionate Christian? 

[mpm32]

Like Peale said, he's 19, she's 16.

I would tend to agree here however, he met her in church when she was 13.  Then again this is the south we're talking about.  He could be her cousin for all we know. 

[ChadTower]

So, yeah, the guy made a mistake, but your desire to ruin his life is more about making you happy than doing what's best for the child he has created. Yay! Let's ruin the kids life by painting his/her father as a child rapist. Where's the torches and pitch-forks? 

And you consider yourself a compassionate Christian? 

This is where the old rules should apply.  The 19 year old doesn't need to be a registered sex offender... he doesn't need to go to jail.  He should be thrown into the back of a pickup, brought out into the woods, beaten up, and left there to walk home.  Penalty paid, message sent, lesson learned, no one's life is ruined so long as he does what is right by the girl and baby.

[shardian]

I think in this case, the legal thing is more about trying to see a star fall even farther "for entertainment purposes". That is even worse IMO. As they say, scandal sells in Hollywood. Just let her and the guy move on in life. From the reports I have read, she has known the guy her whole life.

The best thing the girl can do is go back home and live a quiet life. You know, like her sister should have done when the opportunity presented itself.

[MikeQ]

I don't think it is for "entertainment purposes".  It is so that our children see that poor choices have repercussions.  If this girl gets to keep her show and possibly worse, make having a baby part of the show, it send the wrong message to our children.

[ChadTower]

I don't think it is for "entertainment purposes".  It is so that our children see that poor choices have repercussions.  If this girl gets to keep her show and possibly worse, make having a baby part of the show, it send the wrong message to our children.

If the Spears family has been about anything, it has been about sending the right message to children in a classy manner.

Oh wait.  They're not.  They're really, really not. 

I get what MikeQ is saying and agree with it but we're sure as hell not going to get it from these people.

[mpm32]

Well at least she's getting paid $1M for the first pics of her spawn by OK mag.  Aparently, that was part of the deal with her doing the interview.

Way to pimp those kids out mama Spears.

Wait til Britney's kids and this new one get old enough to get in front of the camera.  Keep that gravy train a rollin'.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

This is where the old rules should apply.  The 19 year old doesn't need to be a registered sex offender... he doesn't need to go to jail.  He should be thrown into the back of a pickup, brought out into the woods, beaten up, and left there to walk home.  Penalty paid, message sent, lesson learned, no one's life is ruined so long as he does what is right by the girl and baby.

How 'bout we give him a chance to do the right thing, then if he doesn't, the old rules apply?
What's up with everyone being so violent?

Isn't being a father at nineteen punishment enough?

[billf]

Don't kid yourself if you think she is going to be a "parent".  She has a successful show on TV and assuming it continues, she will have nannies left and right taking care of the child.  Heck, she is still a child herself.  She is on the same path as Britney, but maybe even sooner than Britney was.  Hopefully I'm wrong about this, but I suspect not.  As for him, maybe he will step up and do the right thing.  We can only hope for the child's sake.

Is Jamie Lynne's guy the next K-Fed?   

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbNCjDsVs4[/youtube]

[ChadTower]

How 'bout we give him a chance to do the right thing, then if he doesn't, the old rules apply?
What's up with everyone being so violent?

Because the punishment is for either/or knocking her up in the first place or having sex with her at all, depending on what your point of view is.  It is not about doing the right thing after the fact.  Part of it is, actually, ensuring he does the right thing by communicating how seriously this should be taken.

Isn't being a father at nineteen punishment enough?

Being a father is not a punishment.  Not at 19, 16, or 66.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Being a father is not a punishment.  Not at 19, 16, or 66.

Being without at 19 years old ain't a bad deal either though.

[SirPeale]

Like Peale said, he's 19, she's 16.

I would tend to agree here however, he met her in church when she was 13.  Then again this is the south we're talking about.  He could be her cousin for all we know. 

Which places him @ 16.

[JimmyU]

I just saw that he is only 18 and under Louisana law will not be tried for statutory rape.  And let's use this situation to better educate our children on the consequences of sex.

[ChadTower]

I just saw that he is only 18 and under Louisana law will not be tried for statutory rape.  And let's use this situation to better educate our children on the consequences of sex.

In this day and age you'd be very hard pressed to find an 18 year old and a 16 year old that don't know the consequences of sex.  The problem isn't that they don't know - it is that they are hormonal teenagers that are going to have sex no matter what the consequences are.  If AIDS isn't enough to make them slow down pregnancy sure won't do it.

[patrickl]

Don't they have pills to prevent pregnancies?

[ChadTower]

Don't they have pills to prevent pregnancies?

They have rubbers too to prevent STDs.  Can't make people use either.   

[lanman31337]

Don't they have pills to prevent pregnancies?

They have this thing called "keep your legs closed" but that doesn't work either :~

[patrickl]

Don't they have pills to prevent pregnancies?

They have this thing called "keep your legs closed" but that doesn't work either :~

Ehm ...  that's why the pills are there.

[polaris]

Don't they have pills to prevent pregnancies?

They have this thing called "keep your legs closed" but that doesn't work either :~

Ehm ...  that's why the pills are there.

that kind of implies you think girls should be forced to take the pill?

[patrickl]

Don't they have pills to prevent pregnancies?

They have this thing called "keep your legs closed" but that doesn't work either :~

Ehm ...  that's why the pills are there.

that kind of implies you think girls should be forced to take the pill?

The average age for a girl to lose her virginity is around 16. Yet it surprises/shocks parents that their daughter actually loses her virginity at 16. I think this blocks the access fo rthe girls to the pills. If the girl feels ready for sex then she should be allowed consider them. Of course condoms would help, but that's less reliable.

[shardian]

You can only do so much as a parent with a teenage daughter. If she is dead set on having sex, she will have sex. To her, you are a dumbass at that point, remember? 

If your kid is 16 and you suspect they are having sex, you might as well accept it and educate them to prevent disease and pregnancy.

If all else fails, talk to the hospital and see if a pregnant woman will allow her to sit in and watch the horrible pain of childbirth. Its easy to discount the consequences of sex if you have a safe detachment from the consequences. Seeing childbirth or late stage aids up close and in person would be about the best sex ed there can be.

And to add to that, Magic Johnson is about the worst PR for HIV aids ever! Here he is 15 years later and smiling and going about business as usual.

[Dartful Dodger]

The pregnancy could have been cause by her taking pills.

[knave]

The average age for a girl to lose her virginity is around 16. Yet it surprises/shocks parents that their daughter actually loses her virginity at 16. I think this blocks the access fo rthe girls to the pills. If the girl feels ready for sex then she should be allowed consider them. Of course condoms would help, but that's less reliable.

16 is the average, Lots of 14 and 15 year olds are having sex as well.  Sad but true.  Abstinence is a fathers wet dream...in Lew of that at least teach them to protect themselves.

[danny_galaga]

The pregnancy could have been cause by her taking pills.

 

it's even funnier cos i dont know WTF jamie lynne spears is  i imagine shes related to that other spears with the porno name...

[ChadTower]

They have this thing called "keep your legs closed" but that doesn't work either :~

Ehm ...  that's why the pills are there.
[/quote]

I don't think she is supposed to take the pills between her legs.

[Ed_McCarron]

Don't they have pills to prevent pregnancies?

They have this thing called "keep your legs closed" but that doesn't work either :~

Ehm ...  that's why the pills are there.

that kind of implies you think girls should be forced to take the pill?

Dunno, I was kind of leaning towards the chastity belt thing for my daughter...

[shardian]

Dunno, I was kind of leaning towards the chastity belt thing for my daughter...

I'm going the false immunodeficiency disease and plastic bubble route myself.

[Ed_McCarron]

Dunno, I was kind of leaning towards the chastity belt thing for my daughter...

I'm going the false immunodeficiency disease and plastic bubble route myself.

Good one.  Nothing quiets down teen hormones like a big plastic bubble.

[RTSDaddy2]

While we're on prevention,  I've already told my wife I intend to keep a nice, solid piece of 2x4 (ever see any of the Walking Tall movies?) by our door when ours starts dating.

Also heard a story once, don't remember now exactly how it goes, about this gentleman who was quite an avid gun collector....and when the young suitors came around, he would pull the firearms out, clean and reload them right there in front of the kid...just for a little emphasis.

I still like the car commercials (was it Hummer)?- I don't recall)  that were on radio a few years back where the dad was talking to his daughter's beau and pointing out how long the back of the truck / car was - "big enough to hold a body about your (the kids') height...right?" Then added "So you'll be bringing my daughter home at what time?" The kid replied, very shaken, with a much earlier time,  and dad responds "Good boy."

[RayB]

I try to stay out of this BS these days, but ill say this anyways:

The problem with this "abstinence" idea is that if you live in an area where society largely expects it of you (the teen), you won't dare risk going to buy condoms for fear of being seen by someone you know, and/or avoiding the judgement of even strangers (cashier/anyone else in the store).

So then "in the heat" of it, as much as they may try and want to abstain... IF it happens, well, your kid who's been preached and guilted to abstain won't have any protection for that slip-up. You're indirectly causing the risk problems that come from unprotected teen sex.

Heck they don't even need to be in an area that's heavily promoting abstinence, they just have to be part of a group, such as a church. That's enough to create this guilt and they won't dare attempt to get protection. The decision and act of publicly buying a condom would be like crossing the line and making that decision to have sex (and announcing to the world--well, the world at the store) so they won't do it. It's way more responsible to get "insurance", and still preaching for them to wait as long as possible. But the abstinence camp doesn't see it that way. Give out free condoms and it's "Oh noes! That gives them permission!". No it doesn't. No more than buying car insurance tells people to go out and wreck their cars.

[ChadTower]

...plus a lot of teenagers don't have the money to buy condoms.  That was a bigger problem in my area than being seen buying them.

[lanman31337]

...plus a lot of teenagers don't have the money to buy condoms.  That was a bigger problem in my area than being seen buying them.

Clinics give them away for free, and you can buy a 2 pack for under 2 dollars in a gas station.

[Jdurg]

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

This site lists the age of sexual consent for every state in the USA and many countries across the world.  If she got knocked up in Lousianna at the age of 16, then technically she was raped.

However, I am not in agreement with the whole "you were 18 when she was 16" type of garbage.  I think the years should be used to determine when to file charges, but it shouldn't be a hard set, no thought used type of crime.  To say that a girl who is 16 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds old is completely different from a girl who is one second older is a bit crazy to me.  This is why hard set ages are ridiculous and should not be used in a court of law. 

In addition, if the male in this case was one second short of being 18 then no charges would be filed.  Yet one second later when he turns 18 he can suddenly be thrown in jail for a good part of his life and be forced to register as a sex offender.  Tell me how "proper" that is!

[ChadTower]

Clinics give them away for free, and you can buy a 2 pack for under 2 dollars in a gas station.

There are lots of places where there aren't any clinics, just hospitals.  Most teens would never know you could get them for free at a place like that, anyway, because school personnel aren't allowed to tell them.  I remember a couple of kids I knew getting busted shoplifting them at a CVS near our school because they didn't have the money.  Things are probably easier now.

They definitely weren't anything like less than a dollar each when I was in high school.  I haven't bought them since the mid 90s but they weren't that cheap then either.

Heh, I remember when I got to college they were being given away by the handful right on the street.  That seemed cool at the time until I found out the hard way that cheap condoms break really easily.  Nothing happened, got lucky, but lesson learned the scary way.

[Jdurg]

Nothing happened, got lucky, but lesson learned the scary way.

Well duh!  Thank you Captain Obvious!!!!!   

[ChadTower]

Nothing happened, got lucky, but lesson learned the scary way.

Well duh!  Thank you Captain Obvious!!!!!   

 

[Cakemeister]

I might be related to the boy in question. The kid's uncle is from my dad's hometown (very small town in Mississippi) and has the same last name.

Small world, eh?

[ChadTower]

Only jim would see hypocrisy in that.  Seriously.  There was no brag in that post at all.

Being a father is an entirely different thing than getting someone pregnant.  Knocking someone up doesn't make you a father, jim.

[SirPeale]

There's a big difference between being a father and having a kid.

Do you have any kids, Jim?

[Jdurg]

There's a big difference between being a father and having a kid.

Do you have any kids, Jim?

Very, VERY true.  It's not easy being a father.  As I've gotten older, I've given my father a lot of credit and respect for what he did.  he grew up not having a father.  He only had a grown man who told him what to do and drank a lot.  My father went into being a dad with absolutely no parenting skills at all.  I think he did a hell of a job, but I also don't think he was perfect.  I have no kids at this moment and don't know if I want one any time soon.  I have a lot of flaws and issues that I need to deal with before becoming responsible for another human being.

The problem with society today, especially here in the US, is that we try and raise kids as though bad things don't exist.  The proper way to do things is teach them about issues such as drinking, sex, and drugs and be honest with them.  This way, when they come across these situations in their own lives they'll know what to do.  If you hide this stuff from them, or completely lie about it, they'll find out on their own and realize that you were being facetious with them.  Then, you can forget about any level of trust with them.

When I was growing up, my parents never talked to me about drugs or sex.  Probably because I was pretty self aware as a kid and read up on the subjects when I was only 6 or 7.  The one thing they did was they always asked me if I understood what I was reading and knew the consequences.  They realized that they couldn't stop me from having sex or doing drugs if I wanted to.  Instead, they made sure that I was aware of what I was doing.

I used drugs a LOT when I was in college.  All the DARE programs or "Don't Do This" talk meant nothing.  The thing is all the information, truthful information, I received while growing up kept me from doing really stupid thing.  Doing drugs wasn't smart and it's part of my life that I kind of regret, yet appreciate at the same time.  Still, I was raised to be aware of what was going on and what i was doing and I never did anything that put my life in general.  I understood what was happening and what could happen.  Sadly, there are many out there who haven't been able to do this.

(On the bright side, I have been absolutely clear and free of drug use for over 5.5 years now.    ) 

[Organic Jerk]

Not usually the one with the dish, but this was just linked to me on facebook... thought I might share.

http://www.showbizspy.com/2007/12/26/casey-aldridge-is-not-the-father-of-jamie-lynn-spears-baby/

The father of Jamie Lynn Spears baby is NOT boyfriend Casey Aldridge, according to shocking reports from the U.S....

Friends have said that Jamie Lynn was no longer even seeing Casey - and family members told Star that they believe the real father is a much older executive at her children’s TV show ‘Zoey 101′...

Looks like BS?