MVP & Coach of the year - your thoughts

[DrewKaree]

We're talking football.  Not soccer, football - American style.

I'm seeing/hearing Brady for MVP, and I just don't get it.  Throw another halfway decent QB in there with the weapons he's got, and I see a darn similar outcome, possibly identical.  To me, it points to him NOT being an MVP, but simply a cog in a machine.

I see the same for Favre.  While they'd need a bit better quality quarterback as a replacement than the Pats would, I can still see them doing similarly.  I also think coaching has a BUTTLOAD to do with the Packers' results this year. 

Honestly, I see Matt Schaub as being one of the MOST valuable players to his team.  Look at where they were last year, look at this year, and look at this year when he went out. 

As for coach of the year, while my heart wants McCarthy to win it, the Browns turnaround has been nothing short of amazing. 

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[ChadTower]

I think you're just seeking around for anyone but Brady... other QBs would win with this team but they wouldn't be 13-0 and they wouldn't be having the greatest QB season ever. 

MVP could be Jeff Garcia or maybe Moss.  Welker and Stallworth wouldn't be able to do anything without the constant double safety attention to Moss.

[shardian]

The difference between Brady and every other QB (except Peyton) is that he rarely makes a mistake. His awareness and decision making is on a different level. You could give him the Dolphins receiving corps and he'd make them look pretty darn good too.

[ChadTower]

The difference between Brady and every other QB (except Peyton) is that he rarely makes a mistake. His awareness and decision making is on a different level. You could give him the Dolphins receiving corps and he'd make them look pretty darn good too.

He won three Super Bowls with a below average receiver group.  Aside from the lack of mistakes Brady is the most accurate QB I've ever seen.  Every throw, from every angle, is right in stride and in the hands zone.  The ones that aren't are right in the receiver only zone.  You get a guy like Moss in there, who catches everything, and you simply can't miss him.

Well, except that one pass in the end zone last night... that throw was practically superhuman.  Even Moss couldn't handle that one.

[markrvp]

Tony Romo.  He delivers every week.  Yesterday he had two touchdown drives with under two minutes to go in the first and second halves. 

[ChadTower]

Tony Romo.  He delivers every week.  Yesterday he had two touchdown drives with under two minutes to go in the first and second halves. 

That's a good suggestion.  I think in any other year (maybe not 2004 either) Romo would be the no-brainer winner.

I am getting a bit tired of the announcers referring to him as The Legend of Romo as if he has won anything yet.  Dude just won his first division title and botched them out of the playoffs last year on an extra point.  Let's wait until he has at least pulled even with Ben Roethlisberger before giving him a Legends title.

[tommy]

Tony Romo.  He delivers every week.  Yesterday he had two touchdown drives with under two minutes to go in the first and second halves. 

Come on already. I thought i was bad always trying to bring a Giants player or comment into a thread but you're worse than I am with the cowboys.    

Tom Brady is the MVP. He is simply the best QB out there with or without good receivers around him and the Patriots would be ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- without him. You can say the same thing for the Colts and Manning and a few other teams who really need their QB (all teams need their QB) but I think this holds true more for Brady as he just gets the job done better then anyone else out there.

[shardian]

Tony Romo.  He delivers every week.  Yesterday he had two touchdown drives with under two minutes to go in the first and second halves. 

Come on already. I thought i was bad always trying to bring a Giants player or comment into a thread but you're worse than I am with the cowboys.    

Tom Brady is the MVP. He is simply the best QB out there with or without good receivers around him and the Patriots would be ---Cleveland steamer--- without him. You can say the same thing for the Colts and Manning and a few other teams who really need their QB (all teams need their QB) but I think this holds true more for Brady as he just gets the job done better then anyone else out there.

You'd be saying the same stuff about Eli if the Giants were 12-1...

[tommy]

They are 9-4, do you think a few more wins would make me want to say something that is not true just for the hell of it?

I could say that now if a record is what matters.

[markrvp]

Unlike Eli Manning, Tony Romo actually wins game for his team.  Yesterday he ran 2 two-minute drills to perfection.  His team was down 13 points in the 4th quarter and he rallied for a win.  Did you see him direct two scoring drives in under two minutes to win on at Buffalo earlier in the year?  Did you see him chase down a shotgun snap that went over his head 35 yards behind him on 3rd down and still run 45 yards for a 1st down?

Keep in mind that he's won 12 wins this year without his 1-A receiver.  He's only got two people to throw the ball to - Terrell Owens and Jason Witten.  Yesterday the Lions took away Owens and he still drove 83 yards for a touchdown in under two minutes WITH NO TIME OUTS.

The kid is magic.  Nobody says that about Eli Manning.

[ChadTower]

The kid is magic.  Nobody says that about Eli Manning.

Including no one saying it in this thread.   

Crayton has 7 TDs, 500+ yards, and is averaging nearly 15ypc.  That's not "nobody else".  That's a decent #2 wideout to go along with TO and Witten.

I loved that late game third down drop TO had on a ball that landed right on two palms. Who leads the league in drops again, this year and last?   

[tommy]

Romo may be playing well but playing well for one year is no reason to make the guy the MVP. I know the MVP is based on this year but we all think about the past and with that past and present no other comes to mind other than Brady.

[Zero_Hour]

After watching my team get completely rolled in the second half by him yesterday, I gotta say Brady.


As for Coach of the Year I think I agree with Drew, Nobody expected Cleveland to be this improved. It's nice to see Cleveland coming back to competitiveness.

[ChadTower]

Romo may be playing well but playing well for one year is no reason to make the guy the MVP.

Uh, tommy, that is the exact definition of the MVP.  That's why they have a new one every year.   

[DrewKaree]

Romo may be playing well but playing well for one year is no reason to make the guy the MVP.

It's not the "MVP for this year and past performance" award.

Romo has a few running backs to help him out (you guys are NINTH in the league).  I don't have a clue if the Pats have decent running backs, because they just DON'T flippin' run.  From what I've seen though, Laurence Jabroni doesn't SEEM to be capable of lighting it up if they need him to.

Shed is right too, Crayton isn't a "nobody" with the numbers he's got.  There's also a few receivers Romo has that just have the wrong job title if you want to claim he's got no "receivers".  Barber has half the receptions of Witten, and the same as Crayton.  Add in Jones' receptions, and you start to see that while Romo is pretty damn good, he's not on an island there and has some demonstrable weapons around him.

I guess I just see "MVP" as something not necessarily to be given out like it currently seems to be - who're the top teams and choose from a player on those teams.  I see it more as "would this team be fighting the Dolphins for the worst record if _________ wasn't on that team?).  That's why I don't see it as Brady, Favre, Romo.  To be honest, I see Derek Anderson as a damn fine candidate.  You see what happened when he wasn't in there, and you see what's happened with them this year.

I also see LT as a candidate, but far less so than in past years, and in that same vein, if the Vikings didn't have Peterson, I have no doubt they WOULDN'T be fighting the Dolphins to see who would be winless by the end of the year.  I brought up Schaub because it's a stark contrast last year vs. this year.  Green went down but even when he was in there, wasn't as effective as they expected, meaning it's fallen on him.  Same thing too when Schaub was out.  NOT the same team as they are with him.

Again, to me, it's "valuable", not "valued", and there's a difference.

[tommy]

One thing I noticed about Brady is that he is always on his toes when he passes (both feet equally and bouncing). The guy is always equally on both feet kind of hopping in place till he finds a place to throw the ball. He is such a balanced passer and seems to never throw the ball from a position that is not fundamentally correct and what you look for when you watch a guy throw the ball, he is always in a position to make the best out of every down when he's behind center.

The guy just has all the mechanics perfect and never looks like he does not know what he's doing.

I think P.Manning is almost as good and has a great feel for the game but the balance that Brady shows and rhythm he shows while passing really impresses me.

If Brady was on the Dolphins they would at least be a wild card team.

[ChadTower]

I don't have a clue if the Pats have decent running backs, because they just DON'T flippin' run.  From what I've seen though, Laurence Jabroni doesn't SEEM to be capable of lighting it up if they need him to.

He's not all that good, and every time they try to give him a 25 carry game, he misses the next 3.  The guy has been hurt pretty much since his first training camp.  When you have a guy with his tools, but you're not using him at RB, and you're also not using him as a kick returner, it says a lot about the lack of faith in him.  There is a lot of talk around here that the Pats could use their first rounder this year on Darren McFadden (thank the 49ers for that pick).