Author Topic: any chd games worth it yet (Read 6496 times)

Kangum · « **on:** October 21, 2007, 03:58:38 pm »

years ago i downloaded the chd set for mame. it was like 14 gigs. i think out of the 14 gigs 4 games were actually playable. so i was just curious if much has changed. i am not complaining. i know mame hates 3d games and such. i just wanted to see if it was actually worth the download yet.

superart · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2007, 07:49:35 pm »

Kangum · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2007, 10:16:57 pm »

thanks Suits00

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2007, 10:28:16 pm »

What he failed to mention is that the majority of those run at 50% speed or worse.

superart · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2007, 10:38:51 pm »

Timoe · « **Reply #5 on:** October 22, 2007, 09:46:30 am »

does gauntlet legends work?

ahofle · « **Reply #6 on:** October 22, 2007, 01:10:42 pm »

I doubt it. I've yet to see a machine capable of playing gauntleg at full speed (even the overclocked C2Ds can't).

shardian · « **Reply #7 on:** October 22, 2007, 01:33:51 pm »

Quote from: Suits00 on October 21, 2007, 10:38:51 pm

yeah if your computer is as old as dirt, also the 13 games I tried work with no noticable issues. 13 divided by 25 is .52, which is means the majority works. That is without trying the other games.

Since you are getting good results with your pc, would you mind posting your specs, along with the framrates of the various chd games. I believe this info would be very helpful to the OP.

superart · « **Reply #8 on:** October 22, 2007, 02:20:44 pm »

TAG · « **Reply #9 on:** October 22, 2007, 02:29:14 pm »

Quote from: shardian on October 22, 2007, 01:33:51 pm

Since you are getting good results with your pc, would you mind posting your specs, along with the framrates of the various chd games. I believe this info would be very helpful to the OP.

I've also had good results with several of the games that Suits lists. I'm running MAME .119 on a Dell P4 1.8 gHz with 1 gb RAM and an ATI Radeon 7500 card. I'll post my framerates on the games that seem to work after I get home and check them tonight.

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #10 on:** October 22, 2007, 02:30:58 pm »

Welp, my MAME rig isn't old as dirt but isn't a C2D either...it is an Athlon 3200+ and it runs only a few of the CHD games without issue. All the CPS3 stuff works fine... Gauntlet Legends nor any of the Blitz games are going to work at anything close to 100%.

Hoopz · « **Reply #11 on:** October 22, 2007, 02:38:25 pm »

This may change with the changes that Aaron made in .120 and multicore processors. It may take some time, but there should be improvements in this area.

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #12 on:** October 22, 2007, 02:41:42 pm »

Quote from: HooPZ on October 22, 2007, 02:38:25 pm

This may change with the changes that Aaron made in .120 and multicore processors. It may take some time, but there should be improvements in this area.

Yup...and I can't wait. As soon as there is a significant change I am upgrading to the fastest multicore Athlon my board will accept.

Hoopz · « **Reply #13 on:** October 22, 2007, 02:51:56 pm »

I am planning the same thing. But new mobo, proc and ram. Very nice and welcome change!

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #14 on:** October 23, 2007, 01:12:58 am »

ugh... I leave for a while and still the same questions are asked over (and over and over and over and over) and over again.

I hate to be rude, but try a search some time. I've answered this question myself at least 6 times to my knowledge. As a general rule of thumb that STILL is applicable today (sorry, those hi-end games still aren't playable) simply look at the type of title it is. 2d chd games should run fine, 3d chd games won't.

Since dual 5600 athlon 64's are NOT standard mame cab hardware, all of those 3d games on the list (except the simpsons) are unplayable. Also I"m not sure if suits is on the level with this one considering the frikkin mame devs can't get some of those games to run 100% on their machines yet.

The multicore improvments do help (and will help even more in the future) but considering that you'd have to be running a 64 bit os and again you'd need monster processors, and even then aaron says the games don't run at 100% on his machine yet, upgrading isn't really going to help. Almost playable still isn't playable.

shardian · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2007, 05:05:59 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on October 23, 2007, 01:12:58 am

2d chd games should run fine, 3d chd games won't.

The only CHD I've even messed with is Maximum Force, and it ran perfect on a POS E-machines PC.

SGT · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2007, 08:21:19 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on October 23, 2007, 01:12:58 am

Almost playable still isn't playable.

That's why the questions are still asked and why they should be. Sooner or later the "almost" playable will be playable and your answers from a year ago aren't going to help much. Not trying to be rude, but I'd suggest skipping the subject lines you don't like.

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2007, 10:01:19 am »

...hell...my 3200 won't run Simpsons Bowling without audio skips, etc.

SGT · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2007, 11:16:08 am »

Quote from: FrizzleFried on October 23, 2007, 10:01:19 am

...hell...my 3200 won't run Simpsons Bowling without audio skips, etc.

No problems on my 3.2 P4.

superart · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2007, 02:44:20 pm »

Chris · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2007, 03:13:15 pm »

With the Athlon X2 6000+ down to $159 at NewEgg, I'd love to see Suits' benchmarks. I can tell you that most of the 3D games on that list don't run well on a single-core Athlon 4000+ or a dual-core Athlon 4600+. Somewhere around here I may still have a spreadsheet with my results.

My main benchmark games were CarnEvil, Prop Cycle, California Speed, Gauntlet Legends, DDR, Guitar Freaks, Soul Edge, Hyper Athlete, and of course Cruisn (I know they're not all CHD games) with frameskip=0. CarnEvil and Cruisn were maddeningly close to playable. PropCycle never got above 20 fps. Gauntlet Legends hovered around 10 fps Soul Edge was mostly playable. California Speed was around 15fps. HyperAthlete, DDR, and Guitar Freaks were close to playable.

I would love to see what FPS Suits is getting on his 5600 before I get the 6000. I still have the 4000+ gathering dust, as it didn't buy me enough new games to be worth swapping the 2000+ out of my cabinet.

u_rebelscum · « **Reply #21 on:** October 24, 2007, 03:36:13 pm »

Check out these benchmarks:
No video, no sound, and only 32 bit, normal build vs PM optimized:

http://mame32qa.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm

(Notice many of the slowest of the slow games are not CHD games.)

Aaron's quick run of a few games, 32 bit vs 64 bit, & multithread vs single thread:

http://aarongiles.com/?p=217

0.120u1 is supposed to going to be able to play blitz, said so by a mamedev.

SGT · « **Reply #22 on:** October 24, 2007, 04:08:14 pm »

u_rebelscum,

Question about those parameters that Aaron shows. What is:

-str 90

And what is the purpose of setting video to none?

-video none

EDIT:
Found the reason for -video none, but still don't know what -str 90 is.
Quote from the docs:

Quote

The final option 'none' displays no windows and does no
drawing. This is primarily present for doing CPU benchmarks without
the overhead of the video system.

u_rebelscum · « **Reply #23 on:** October 24, 2007, 04:24:02 pm »

Quote from: SGT on October 24, 2007, 04:08:14 pm

Question about those parameters that Aaron shows. What is:

-str 90

Seconds To Run. Replaced -ftr (Frame To Run).

So mame tries to run the game for 90 seconds and quits. (But if you look at the output, mame ran for 89 seconds.)

SGT · « **Reply #24 on:** October 24, 2007, 04:59:26 pm »

Oh, I gotcha. Thanks.

DigitalFusion · « **Reply #25 on:** October 29, 2007, 03:49:18 pm »

Quote from: Suits00 on October 21, 2007, 07:49:35 pm

nfl blitz

holy crap are u serious? thats what I get for not keeping up with the times! I thought nfl blitz was one of those games that everyone said it would take like 10ghz to work.

metahacker · « **Reply #26 on:** October 29, 2007, 05:10:46 pm »

SF III

DigitalFusion · « **Reply #27 on:** October 29, 2007, 10:19:41 pm »

i installed the newest version of MAME, and NFL blitz still doesnt work for me. My machine isnt that bad, its a Intel Celeron D @ 2.8ghz with a gig of memory and an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256 vid card. The game moves very choppy for me just like it used to before the update... more so the sound than anything.

SGT · « **Reply #28 on:** October 29, 2007, 11:46:40 pm »

u_rebelscum posted a link above on what was required. Here is the link again:

REQUIREMENTS PER R. BELMONT

And here is the quote from that link:

Quote

.120u1 will play Blitz at largely full speed (with some slowdowns) on a Core 2 Duo of 3.2 GHz or above if you are running a 64-bit OS.

shardian · « **Reply #29 on:** October 30, 2007, 08:47:50 am »

Quote from: DigitalFusion on October 29, 2007, 10:19:41 pm

i installed the newest version of MAME, and NFL blitz still doesnt work for me. My machine isnt that bad, its a Intel Celeron D @ 2.8ghz with a gig of memory and an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256 vid card. The game moves very choppy for me just like it used to before the update... more so the sound than anything.

Its a celeron. That is your problem.

divemaster127 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 30, 2007, 12:15:30 pm »

I jumped to a amd dual core 5200 a few months ago w/2 gig of hyperexpress ram, & I will say I was disappointed, carnevil etc still was not close to playable. So im giving this system to my 12 year old & building a quad core q6600 w/gig of ram, I will post here after I run the above chd's
dm

SGT · « **Reply #31 on:** October 30, 2007, 12:20:53 pm »

Quote from: shardian on October 30, 2007, 08:47:50 am

Quote from: DigitalFusion on October 29, 2007, 10:19:41 pm
i installed the newest version of MAME, and NFL blitz still doesnt work for me. My machine isnt that bad, its a Intel Celeron D @ 2.8ghz with a gig of memory and an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256 vid card. The game moves very choppy for me just like it used to before the update... more so the sound than anything.

Its a celeron. That is your problem.

Additionally, I doubt he's using 64 bit Windows or Linux.

divemaster127 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 30, 2007, 12:30:23 pm »

Does the 64 bit windows make that much of a difference
dm

SGT · « **Reply #33 on:** October 30, 2007, 01:20:32 pm »

Quote from: divemaster127 on October 30, 2007, 12:30:23 pm

Does the 64 bit windows make that much of a difference
dm

With Blitz, it is an absolute necessity along with the CPU requirements and 0.120u1.

divemaster127 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 30, 2007, 01:34:52 pm »

tks I appreciate the answer
dm

DigitalFusion · « **Reply #35 on:** October 30, 2007, 02:14:02 pm »

Quote from: shardian on October 30, 2007, 08:47:50 am

Its a celeron. That is your problem.

right, thats my only problem

divemaster127 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 30, 2007, 04:07:39 pm »

Quick question per andy the arcadevga2 will not support 64 bit xp & is not going to since vista is here so what options looks like the best...

option 1: use existing setup w/ xp 32 bit my pci-e arcadevga2 w/ betson monitor since overall xp is faster than vista

option 2: purchase vista 64 bit, I only have 32 bit right now, dump the arcadevga card for a standard video card
thanks ahead of time for opinions
dm

brandon · « **Reply #37 on:** October 30, 2007, 04:19:01 pm »

ya know.. I bet if somebody would just make an unofficial version of Mame that supported hardware acceleration instead of emulating 3D gfx in software it would make a big difference. I know Mamedevs will never do it but there are other hardware accelerated emus right? Zinc? how about slap a Glide wrapper on CarnEvil and Blitz and call it a day

DigitalFusion · « **Reply #38 on:** October 31, 2007, 02:29:22 am »

what is the reason they dont do hardware accel for gfx? no way to break it out of the ROMs?

brandon · « **Reply #39 on:** October 31, 2007, 05:22:33 am »

Quote from: DigitalFusion on October 31, 2007, 02:29:22 am

what is the reason they dont do hardware accel for gfx? no way to break it out of the ROMs?

well, in a lot of cases they are emulating a graphics chipset. Like the 3dfx Voodoo for example. so basically for the sake of accuracy they emulate the 3dfx in software using your CPU. They COULD write drivers that would take advantage of current hardware by way of openGL or directx but that wouldnt be accurate to the really arcade hardware which is the whole point of MAME (supposedly). That's why I say it would have to be some unofficial third party version of Mame or seperate emulator all together. I could be mistaken but I think WAY back when Mame first started out that it would take advantage of similar sound hardware instead of emulating it.. So if, for example the original arcade game used a yamaha sound chip and your PC sound card had the same or similar chip it would use that instead of emulating it... but I could be mistaken. It would be nice if Mame did that with GFX.. then everybody would suddenly be trying to buy old 3DFX cards so they could play Midway games

brandon · « **Reply #40 on:** October 31, 2007, 05:35:50 am »

btw, here is a VERY interesting site showing some of the hardware used for the 3DFX based arcade games.. http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/q3d_arcade.htm


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