Get rid of Michael Vick CONTACT INFO UPDATE

[JackTucky]

Us choosing not to pay to watch him play, or buy his products, is ruining his life?  Companies responding to our desire to no longer associate with him, and thus no longer giving him millions simply for use of his name, is ruining his life?

Or are the consequences of his own actions ruining his life?

The feds have a 95% conviction rate.  This guy is guilty as can be and dumber than that.

From the guy who said bonds never tested positive.

=J

[ChadTower]

Qui gladio ferit, gladio perit.

And he who smelt it dealt it.

That's right... Bonds never tested positive.  He sure as hell did it but so did most of MLB in those years.

Let's not compare drug use to the type of animal cruelty in that indictment.

The ref scandal actually is worse, but it's really not, because no one gives a crap about the NBA anyway.

[geomartin]

If we can get back to Mr. Vick for a minute...He is a representative of his employer, the NFL, and his contract likely has morality clauses in it that would allow the NFL to suspend him without pay or even fire him prior to a criminal conviction based on the video and alleged gambling alone.  I wouldn't be surprised to find that his career is kaput!  Especially in light of the league's announced determination in the off season to reign in unruly players and make examples out of as many as it takes to bring order to off field antics.  I believe they are truly tired of star players being gunned down in boobie bar parking lots or spending the off season in jail.

[koolmoecraig]

I put $100 down that he never plays in an NFL game again.

[DrewKaree]

By the way, how soon til we see the race card thrown in on this?

There hasn't been any "black leader" willing to attach himself to Vick, but there's plenty of morons around this country willing to believe Vick is being singled out for being black.  Nevermind the fact they're willing to overlook the fact that if these stories that've come out prove to be true, he's a scumbag jerkoff the likes of which you rarely, if EVER, hear about on the nightly news.

I'm betting there's still people who are amazed that there's actual dogfights that go on in this country.

The b-ball ref thing revolves around betting on games, some of which he was a part of.  The Vick fiasco revolves around a LARGE group of --bags of cream-filled twinkies-- mistreating animals, involved in criminal activity with animals, and behaving in a manner that damn near defies belief. 

When comparing the scale and scope of the two topics, I don't see how a single person (or at the very least, FAR less people) involved in criminal activity is far worse than a group of people involved in SEVERAL criminal activities. 

I put $100 down that he never plays in an NFL game again.

Tommy's up for gambling.  I'll just stick to hoping Vick sees the inside of a 5x7 for eleventy years and/or gets equal treatment - the same as he saw fit to give those animals.

It's amazing out of this whole thread you chose to grab that one little bit of info and make a point of it. I addressed what he said real quick and really did not care about it.

What's amazing is that you haven't discounted, nor defeated, any of the points I brought up.  What's even more amazing is that you seem to think it's "one little bit of info", while you had more than just "one little comment" on the subject.  The final kicker in the festering pile of "amazing" is that you're so blind that you haven't realized that I (me, dk, drewkaree, whoever/whatever) wasn't the person who brought up the fact that you crapped all over something with your inanity and thick-headedness, it was ANOTHER member here, and that repeatedly, your stance on betting is proven again and again to be nothing more than foolish machismo that has little basis in what you view as "fact".

I've taken a point you STILL can't grasp and attempted to make you understand via osmosis - beating it into your head so only the truly daft couldn't pick up on it.  It's damn near laughable that you - someone so obstinate that repeated demonstrations of the point can't penetrate your skull - view this as "bad feelings", while STILL going on about how "if you look at it, it's THEIR fault".  You STILL don't get it, and the only person with "bad feelings" seems to be the one wanting to blame OTHERS for what a majority of people have spoken up about.

We WILL go on with a league, whether you're in it or not.  You're thinking far too highly of yourself, given the time frame you probably can't seem to keep track of.  Given the fact that I wasn't the one who stated that you ruined the experience for them, methinks you'll have a hard time with the facts I just tried jamming into your earhole since you seem to be under the impression that it was my point.  You're the TA Pilot of betting.  Congrats

[jbox]

When did this become the Chad/tommy thread?   Did I miss a memo?

Jouster

At least I was on top.

[RTSDaddy2]

I'm not for what he stands for or what he probably has done, I'm for the process of finding out the truth and until then we cannot assume things based on the media.   (A quote from Tommy on 7/23/07, bold by me...sorry I couldn't figure out how to get it to do one of those "official" looking quote thingies - post was too far down, I guess).

                    

Oh, COME on.  Don't try and feed me this line of reasoning.  I see it on a nearly a daily basis on here.  Of course you and I base our thoughts on what the media tells us.   If the media tells us someone kills a member of their family, for example,  we automatically think "God, what a sick person - how could he / she do that?" without knowing a damn thing about the case or the person and what set them off...and we convict them in the court of public opinion before ANY truth is ever known (maybe the woman was being beaten and kills the husband to end it, etc).  It's the same thing here...and if you don't believe it, you're either lying, or a hypocrite, or both. 

As for Vick, I'm just flat out sick of him.  I don't want him representing my team nor my city in any way (and I just read where the NFL has benched him for now, thank God).  I saw where someone said the rate of conviction with the Feds was 95 percent, and I have actually heard it stated on sports talk down here that it's more like 99 percent.  In other words, the Feds don't come for you, I've heard it said, unless they have an air tight case.  What more do I need to know the guy is guilty of something?  He made his bed, now let him lie in it.


 

[jbox]

If the media tells us someone kills a member of their family, for example,  we automatically think...

OMFG!!! THEY'VE ALREADY FOUND THE BODIES!!! DRIVE FASTER!!! DRIVE FASTER!!!! 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting random murders, but some of us had the kind of childhood that means we don't give family members a free pass when it comes to opportunistic humour.

[DrewKaree]

If the media tells us someone kills a member of their family, for example,  we automatically think...

OMFG!!! THEY'VE ALREADY FOUND THE BODIES!!! DRIVE FASTER!!! DRIVE FASTER!!!! 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting random murders, but some of us had the kind of childhood that means we don't give family members a free pass when it comes to opportunistic humour.

 

[ChadTower]

There hasn't been any "black leader" willing to attach himself to Vick, but there's plenty of morons around this country willing to believe Vick is being singled out for being black. 

Russell Simmons and Sharpton came out against him.

[DrewKaree]

Just another reason to like Russell Simmons.  How Al "the racist" Sharpton got caught on the right side of a race issue is beyond me.  Maybe he's contemplating another run for President

I wonder if this means we can count on Jessie to speak out for Vick like he did for the idiots getting into fights at high school football games - places where the crap that Vick is doing is looked UP to because he's "made it".

Barkley was an idiot to claim he wasn't a role model, although he DID make a better point that parents should be the role models.  Just a shame he didn't grasp that what SHOULD happen and what happens IRL aren't always the same, and more often than not, don't match up.

[hypernova]

Chad mentioned it twice, the feds have a 95% conviction rate.  They don't indict innocent people.

As evidenced by the people in prison being released every so often due to new advances in technology.  Sure...the government never imprisons the innocent.

However, if they do have video of him...let the ---smurfette--- take it up the ass in prison.

[shardian]

However, if they do have video of him...let the ---smurf--- take it up the ass in prison.

He'll have guys clamoring over each to to BE his ---smurfette---. Just because he's going to jail, doesn't mean he won't be rich any more.

[ChadTower]

I like to think 95% of his wealth will have been eaten by his lawyers by then.

Then he spends 4 years in jail on a 6 year sentence.

Then he plays two years in the CFL and we never hear from him again.

[tommy]

I just can't think that another NFL team will pass on Vick and his supposed "great player" status at some point after it's all over.

[ChadTower]

He won't be running a 4.3 after 4 years in a 6x6 room.

[tommy]

He won't be running a 4.3 after 4 years in a 6x6 room.

I honestly doubt he will spend time in jail. If he offers a very large amount of money to whoever, he can find a way around it.

[ChadTower]

You just don't seem to grasp the difference between being indicted by the feds and being indicted by a state/county.

Billionaire CEOs can't buy off the feds.

[shardian]

Billionaire CEOs can't buy off the feds.

But they can have a coincidental heart attack to keep from going to jail for the rest of their life.

[tommy]

The funny thing is that they have still not just come right out and said, "that's it, MV will no longer play or have anything to do with the Falcons" They are waiting for the facts, as they should be.

[Jouster]

The article I read said that the NFL asked the Falcons to hold off...and that they were ready to sit Vick for at least 4 games.

Jouster

[ChadTower]

They aren't waiting on facts, they're waiting on advice from the attorneys as the best way to get rid of him without getting their asses sued off by the Union.

[DrewKaree]

They aren't waiting on facts, they're waiting on advice from the attorneys as the best way to get rid of him without getting their asses sued off by the Union.

Ding ding ding!

As always, what's interpreted as "the truth" is ultimately nowhere near the truth, and is far more likely to be based on money and the removal of it from another via the legal process.

Although even with Chad pointing this out, it still seems as if Tommy's holding to the idea of "innocent until proven guilty and I'm ignoring the court of public opinion".

I think Tommy forgot the P&R forum here, where "guilt" is demonstrated to be a public opinion poll and perception is held onto for far longer than the time it takes for the innocence to be proven (some, including Tommy, STILL hang onto their own version of "the truth")

[shardian]

The reasoning behind the Falcons suspending Vick was because that would have made him eligible for practice. THAT is why Goodell stepped in and said "Not so fast!"

your darn straight the falcons would like to have the multimillion dollar investment on the field.

[tommy]

They aren't waiting on facts, they're waiting on advice from the attorneys as the best way to get rid of him without getting their asses sued off by the Union.

Yeah, the advice they would and will give will be when the accusations are proven or not. They cannot legally do anything until then.

[ChadTower]

No, won't be anything like that.  The only relevant facts are the facts as laid out in the NFLPA-NFL contract.  The facts of his indictment aren't at all relevant.

[shardian]

They aren't waiting on facts, they're waiting on advice from the attorneys as the best way to get rid of him without getting their asses sued off by the Union.

Yeah, the advice they would and will give will be when the accusations are proven or not. They cannot legally do anything until then.

That is why Goodell has been working on his new conduct policy.

[DrewKaree]

They aren't waiting on facts, they're waiting on advice from the attorneys as the best way to get rid of him without getting their asses sued off by the Union.

Yeah, the advice they would and will give will be when the accusations are proven or not. They cannot legally do anything until then.

See if Tank Johnson or Adamn Jones agrees with your crack assessment.

[tommy]

From the article: Goodell might be wishing right now that he hadn't established the precedent with Jones that the league will suspend players without waiting to see how the legal process plays out.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/05/27/report-falcons-bracing-for-six-game-vick-suspension/2

[DrewKaree]

From the article: Goodell might be wishing right now that he hadn't established the precedent with Jones that the league will suspend players without waiting to see how the legal process plays out.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/05/27/report-falcons-bracing-for-six-game-vick-suspension/2

How is it that you read that and don't comprehend that you just proved my point or that it some twisted way could POSSIBLY agree with yours?

[ChadTower]

Wow... free market is killing this guy now... Reebok is pulling his jersey from stores, Nike suspended their ridiculously large contract with him... he's even being pulled from packs of football cards now... what is next, getting slapped by his mama on TV?

[Jouster]

Oh...when is that airing...I wanna dvr it!!

Jouster

[koolmoecraig]

I was just given this by a friend.  I encourage everyone to call...

PLEASE CROSS POST

I now have the official phone number for NFL Headquarters, based in
New York City.

That number is: 1-212-450-2000

The switchboard hours are from 8:30AM to 7:00PM, Eastern Standard
Time.

According to someone who told someone who told someone (sigh), there
is now an option on their menu that asks if you wish to see Mike Vick
SUSPENDED.

So please pass this number along to every single animal-lover you
possibly can, and post it in all your groups, and ask each of those
people to do the same, and to phone 1-212-450-2000 to demand that
Mike Vick be suspended from the National Football League.

Thank you!

[tommy]

Nothing has been proven yet and you would sure look like an ass if he was found innocent.

I think you have done something but i really have no idea, give me your work number so i can get you fired.

[koolmoecraig]

He's guilty dude.  Accept it.

[ChadTower]

"I think you have done something" does not equal federal indictment.

Dude is as guilty as could be.  Read the indictment.  That stuff is foul.

[ChadTower]

One of Vick's boys has copped a plea... he'll very likely be playing witness.  Vick has even less chance now.

[DrewKaree]

Nothing has been proven yet and you would sure look like an ass if he was found innocent.

I think you have done something but i really have no idea, give me your work number so i can get you fired.

Given that Vick hasn't been fired, your statements don't even begin to approach equality.  I know in your mind, being dropped from advertisements and whatnot equals being fired, so I'll stop you from making an ass of yourself; he's already been PAID for that stuff, and them pulling him from spokesperson status doesn't remove money from his bank account.

The guy, whether found guilty of dog fighting or not by the court system, is CERTAINLY guilty of the piss-poor-est decision making of NFL players since Rae Carruth & Ray-Ray.  There is no "YOU look like an ass", there is only "MICHAEL VICK looks like an ass", and his guilt or innocence will do absolutely nothing to change that fact.

You're wanting to argue something that is inarguable, and you can't even comprehend why, only that you believe this somehow has one whit to do with "innocent before proven guilty".

In the world you're inhabiting, girls also fart rainbows and everyone rides around on unicorns to pick up their checks for being supar teh nicez

[crashwg]

In the world you're inhabiting, girls also fart rainbows and everyone rides around on unicorns to pick up their checks for being supar teh nicez

I wish I lived in that world.  Ever since my GF realized I'm not going anywhere she's been lettin em rip worse than I could dream of doing. 

[ChadTower]

I see the Giants are already falling apart... Strahan has decided it's his turn to eff up the team.