Author Topic: Get rid of Michael Vick CONTACT INFO UPDATE (Read 15951 times)

koolmoecraig · « **on:** July 22, 2007, 06:12:26 pm »

Here is an online petition to remove the vile, mediocre-talented Michael Vick from the NFL completely. The bastard should never take another snap. Personally, I don't think he ever will but sign the petition below and help make sure he doesn't.

https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_2007_dogfighting_nfl2?rk=Q726qj41Nbs8W

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #1 on:** July 22, 2007, 06:13:59 pm »

I just read today that his agent and the players union are trying to get the league to guarantee this years salary GUILTY OR NOT! Are you F'ing kidding me!?!?!?

Sir Auros · « **Reply #2 on:** July 22, 2007, 06:46:40 pm »

I went to Virginia Tech when he was there, and I worked for their police department for a while (I guarded the supercomputer at nights on weekends) and knew some of the cops and he got away with whatever when he was there too. The guy is total scum and is just one of those people you wouldn't mind seeing thrown in a sack and beaten to death.

Jouster · « **Reply #3 on:** July 22, 2007, 09:37:14 pm »

Oh, come one...thrown in a sack and beaten to death???

Why not just put him in a closed room with all of his 'pet dogs' for about an hour...if he's still alive after that...then do the sack thing.

Jouster

Zero_Hour · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2007, 01:14:08 am »

Quote from: koolmoecraig on July 22, 2007, 06:13:59 pm

I just read today that his agent and the players union are trying to get the league to guarantee this years salary GUILTY OR NOT! Are you F'ing kidding me!?!?!?

I know it's not the popular position to take, but since the case probably wont be litigated completely until after this season, then yeah, a leave of absence should be with pay. Vick reportedly wants to play, which would be a PR nightmare to say the least. If the league wants him to sit out, then they're going to have to compensate him. A Federal grand jury indictment is a pretty nasty thing, but it isn't a conviction. Innocent until proven guilty still has some meaning in this country. FWIW I think Vick is a complete idiot, who obviously has no clue of how fortunate he was to have cashed in on his athletic talents. I felt that way before the indictment came down.

The whole episode is pretty disgusting, if anything in the reports hold true, but I still think the League has to give him his day in court. If he's convicted, have at him. There is precedent for that position - Ray Lewis stood trial for murder in 2000. There were no sanctions taken against him until he wound up pleading guilty to obstruction of justice, and then it was only a fine - no lost games.

btp2k2 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2007, 01:27:22 am »

Yeah, but the point you are missing, Zero, is that Lewis is good.

To call Vick a QB is an insult to all that have played that position. Just add a 2 in front of the 7, and call him what he is...a good running back.

Jouster · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2007, 06:06:42 am »

From what I have read, they have video of Vick hosting the event...and ushering in a dog. Sounds like a pretty tight case to me. The way that the animal rights people in this country work means that Vick will get a harsher penalty for this than some others get for murder.

Jouster

ChadTower · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2007, 08:22:19 am »

Quote from: Zero_Hour on July 23, 2007, 01:14:08 am

Innocent until proven guilty still has some meaning in this country.

In court. Not in private business. Notice how all of his sponsors except Nike have bolted? They didn't need a conviction and neither does the NFL. The NFL is more afraid of the NFLPA suing them over Vick than they are of the PR nightmare that will be Vick playing. The main fear is that the NFL knows it has many other tens of players in dogfighting and if Vick gets tossed out the witch hunt will begin in earnest. That is where the worst PR nightmare lies... not in one player committing heinous crimes, but in the media running with a "the NFL is full of dogfighting scumbags" storyline.

tommy · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:06:52 am »

Nothing should be done till he is proven guilty. All these companies and people losing faith in a person because of accusations not cool. If and when he is found guilty then and only then he should have to pay the price, not before.

shardian · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:14:40 am »

IMO, who cares if the NFL suspends the guy. Personally I think suspension is not really the answer, but I do think a paid leave of absense would be right and entirely acceptible. It is common practice for police officers under investigation to be put on paid leave. Same for Teachers in most cases. Due to unions, contracts, etc. The NFL can't just suspend the guy "because he may make them look bad".

It's too late for the current crop of bad boys in the NFL. I think the new commisioners crackdown on "thug life" is a good thing for the NFL, AND all of the future prospective NFL players, and even college ball players who won't ever make it to the NFL. Think about it, if these kids know that if they do wrong that they won't make it to the NFL, they will clean up their act pretty well.

ChadTower · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:14:45 am »

The free market is all about perception. Always has been, always will be. He had to have known this, too, but disregarded the risks of what would happen if the public found out he was murdering animals for giggles.

He should pay the free market price now and the criminal price when proven guilty. That is exactly what is happening.

Sharidan, they can suspend him for making them look bad. There is very strong and specific "personal conduct clauses" in every NFL contract. The union approves them and they are part of the contract template for every player. They don't use it much because the union sues them every time they try but this is probably the first time since Rae Carruth that they had an active player do something this bad.

shardian · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:16:29 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 23, 2007, 11:14:45 am

The free market is all about perception. Always has been, always will be. He had to have known this, too, but disregarded the risks of what would happen if the public found out he was murdering animals for giggles.

He should pay the free market price now and the criminal price when proven guilty. That is exactly what is happening.

The free market being his advertising endorsements. And face it, with athletes of this caliber endorsements are worth WAY more than their actual playing contract.

ChadTower · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:18:03 am »

Exactly, and all of his endorsements other than Nike are gone. Most of them were gone before this came out because of his continually embarrassing behaviour.

tommy · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:18:09 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 23, 2007, 11:14:45 am

disregarded the risks of what would happen if the public found out he was murdering animals for giggles.

We do not know that yet. Believe me, i'm all for animals as a dog lover myself, but i'm also all for having the facts before we ruin a guys career and life.

He might have done it from what i can gather thus far, but we still need to be sure.

ChadTower · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:20:50 am »

Us choosing not to pay to watch him play, or buy his products, is ruining his life? Companies responding to our desire to no longer associate with him, and thus no longer giving him millions simply for use of his name, is ruining his life?

Or are the consequences of his own actions ruining his life?

The feds have a 95% conviction rate. This guy is guilty as can be and dumber than that.

tommy · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:27:46 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 23, 2007, 11:20:50 am

Us choosing not to pay to watch him play, or buy his products, is ruining his life? Companies responding to our desire to no longer associate with him, and thus no longer giving him millions simply for use of his name, is ruining his life?

Or are the consequences of his own actions ruining his life?

The feds have a 95% conviction rate. This guy is guilty as can be and dumber than that.

Yes it is ruining his life because he would have all that stuff in good name without these accusations.

The consequences are fine if he did it, but this far it is nothing but talk. I remember a hard and fast rule we normally go by around these parts... innocent until proven guilty, or something like that.

Remember?

He may as well be guilty with you people as he has no chance in any of our minds.

I'm not for what he stands for or what he probably has done, I'm for the process of finding out the truth and until then we cannot assume things based on the media.

shardian · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:32:18 am »

BTW, the state of Virginia also is going to be releasing their indictments too.

Jouster · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:34:56 am »

As was stated earlier, "innocent until prooven guilty" is only in a court of law...that has nothing to do with the market, or public perception. It has been reported that the Feds have video from an undercover officer that shows Vick hosting the event. Even if he isn't guilty of actually putting a dog into the ring...if the video is real, he is definitely involved.

If it turns out that it is all a lie, and he honestly had no clue about any of it, he'd be able to get endorsements again...assuming he puts up decent numbers on the field.

Jouster

ChadTower · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:35:31 am »

Quote from: tommy on July 23, 2007, 11:27:46 am

The consequences are fine if he did it, but this far it is nothing but talk.

A federal indictment is a hell of a lot more than talk. That is having one foot in prison already. Billionaire CEOs can't buy their way out from this spot. Vick is toast.

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I remember a hard and fast rule we normally go by around these parts... innocent until proven guilty, or something like that. Remember?

That applies to being imprisoned by the gov't, which will not happen, until after he is convicted. That has nothing to do with his value in the business world, which includes the NFL as well as any sponsorships he may have had.

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He may as well be guilty with you people as he has no chance in any of our minds.

95% conviction rate. The feds don't waste time with people they cannot convict. If they did, Barry Bonds would be in prison right now.

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I'm not for what he stands for or what he probably has done, I'm for the process of finding out the truth and until then we cannot assume things based on the media.

It's not based on the media. It is based on the text of a federal indictment. Lots of people were still behind him until that indictment hit the public... now most of even people in Atlanta are like WTF get this guy out of here kthx.

Due process applies to imprisonment and thus far he has not been imprisoned. Everything else is free market consequence.

shardian · « **Reply #19 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:44:36 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 23, 2007, 11:35:31 am

95% conviction rate. The feds don't waste time with people they cannot convict. If they did, Barry Bonds would be in prison right now.

No doubt on that one. They won't throw out the indictment flag until they are DAMN sure they have untouchable evidence.

tommy · « **Reply #20 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:45:38 am »

Things are not as black and white as you would like them to be. I've heard that they are making an example to the world with Vick and trying to get to bigger and "badder" dog fighters.

And i wouldn't use the US government's involvement as credibility to a conviction in any situation anymore, these days. Unfortunately the times have already proven in many situations (WMD) that it means little to nothing what they think they know.

CCM · « **Reply #21 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:46:14 am »

Quote from: tommy on July 23, 2007, 11:27:46 am

... but this far it is nothing but talk. I remember a hard and fast rule we normally go by around these parts... innocent until proven guilty, or something like that. Remember?

He may as well be guilty with you people as he has no chance in any of our minds.

Tommy, do you actually understand what it means to be indicted by the feds?? Chad mentioned it twice, the feds have a 95% conviction rate. They don't indict innocent people.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think the charges against Vick are nothing but talk. You need to wake up.

ChadTower · « **Reply #22 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:46:51 am »

Did he just compare a federal indictment to the WMD situation?

CCM · « **Reply #23 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:48:21 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 23, 2007, 11:46:51 am

Did he just compare a federal indictment to the WMD situation?

Chad, you beat me to it!

Tommy, that was just hilarious...

tommy · « **Reply #24 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:49:04 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 23, 2007, 11:46:51 am

Did he just compare a federal indictment to the WMD situation?

The US goverment is not the know all we would like them to be.

ChadTower · « **Reply #25 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:51:22 am »

Actually, it would be sort of funny, if they dug up the missing WMDs on Vick's dogfighting complex.

CCM · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:54:33 am »

Tommy, have you actually read the indictment?

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/070717/vick_indictment.pdf

shardian · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:55:57 am »

Quote from: tommy on July 23, 2007, 11:45:38 am

Things are not as black and white as you would like them to be. I've heard that they are making an example to the world with Vick and trying to get to bigger and "badder" dog fighters.

And i wouldn't use the US government's involvement as credibility to a conviction in any situation anymore, these days. Unfortunately the times have already proven in many situations (WMD) that it means little to nothing what they think they know.

Just to make it clear to you, Bush is not involved with the Vick situation. Calm down now ok? Talk about painting a broad black/white stroke.

ChadTower · « **Reply #28 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:58:39 am »

Thank heavens for small favors... if Bush were heading up this indictment Vick would go free for sure. Plus they'd end up building three new stadiums for the Falcons, with fields 85 yards long, in Utah. The Falcons' locker room would be moved to Cuba and Vick would be benched in favor of Drew Bledsoe for their new option offense.

tommy · « **Reply #29 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:00:23 pm »

Find this thread and bring it back up when it's all over.

ChadTower · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:01:41 pm »

Are you kidding? This thread may never die. It's great fun. I can't stand the Falcons.

CCM · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:04:21 pm »

Yea, I hate the Falcons almost as much as the Giants!

tommy · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:06:58 pm »

Quote from: CCM on July 23, 2007, 12:04:21 pm

Yea, I hate the Falcons almost as much as the Giants!

Yeah the SF Giants are bad without Bonds.

ChadTower · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:11:46 pm »

I don't mind the Giants except for Sheli. Sheli makes me laugh. It's like all the idiocy and incompetence that isn't in Peyton was jammed into Sheli to balance things out.

One of my very favorite NFL moments EVER was a couple minutes into Sheli's NFL debut against the Eagles... he drops back to pass, gets confused, runs left, turns back to run right and discovers that NFL D linemen don't play that. Worst QB hit that season and I was shocked he got up at all.

tommy · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:14:43 pm »

Now we can bring this thread back up for two reasons.

CCM · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:18:28 pm »

Quote from: tommy on July 23, 2007, 12:06:58 pm

Quote from: CCM on July 23, 2007, 12:04:21 pm
Yea, I hate the Falcons almost as much as the Giants!

Yeah the SF Giants are bad without Bonds.

Good point, I hate both Giants, SF and NY...

tommy · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:20:41 pm »

All you big talkers with big mouthes, have the balls to bet cash that the giants make it to the playoffs with manning.

Just name it.

CCM · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:21:57 pm »

I don't care if they win the Super Bowl, I still won't like them or Eli.

tommy · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:25:30 pm »

Quote from: CCM on July 23, 2007, 12:21:57 pm

I don't care if they win the Super Bowl, I still won't like them or Eli.

Yeah, i'll watch you all fold faster than a wet deck of cards.

CCM · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:28:19 pm »

I've never tried to fold wet cards... why would your cards be wet? Did you spill your drink on them?


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