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I just watched the ending tonight and while it isn't the worst finale in the world, considering it was to mark the end of a show that was on for 10 YEARS, it seemed a little lame to me.  I'll get to the parts I liked later, but for now my complaints are as follows:

Length:

The show is on for 10 frikkin years and they give it a regular 1 hour finale?  I don't know if scifi wouldn't give them the extra time or the writers were too lazy to make it longer, but a feature-length ending would have been better.  It also seems like they missed the opportunity to promote the new films due to the length.

Plot Holes:

There's so many my rage can't contain itself... I'll just start listing.  First off the Ori ships... is it me or do these followers come off as dumb as dirt to you?  Remember, the Orasai isn't around anymore and she is forbidden to use her spiffy super powers in this galaxy.  So your telling me that the random Ori stooges detected the energy signature of the ship in a matter of hours, in a part of the galaxy they've apparently never been too (I'll get to that in a minute.) and actually get there so fast that the Asguard's sensors wouldn't detect their approach?  Yeah right.  Not only that, but once the team starts jumping away from them they somehow magically can detect the ship over great distances (hyperspace literally puts the ship in a different part of the galaxy) and then magically get there immediately after they fall back into normal space, even though the guys have been traveling for several minutes/hours/whatever.  I mean since they stole this bit from BSG you'd think they'd also steal the part about it taking a few weeks for the bad guys to find them and catch up. 

Secondly, the Asguard.  I can buy that they are sick (as it's been well established they have problems) but I can't buy that they wouldn't ask for help from earth.  I mean doesn't earth save their butts all the time because basically we think on a dumber level?  Waiting till the last minute to tell them might have made sense, except for the fact that apparently the Ori and all the other baddies, save the replicators, are eitehr too scared to face them or too dumb to find them.  Your telling me in the last two years the Asguard have never ran into the Ori?  Not only that, but they were too busy during this whole time setting up the database that they couldn't have stopped for 10 minutes and sent the guys some new guns. I mean those new lasers are the only weapons ever to have destroyed a Ori ship, the Asguard were going to give away all of their tech anyway (apparently they had been working on it for a year) so why not help out?  Also it seems to me that if they were to make this decision, it would have made more sense to gradually install the new tech over the course of a year so they wouldn't be so rushed and the humans would actually get a chance to be trained on the new devices.  Speaking of tech, probably the most obvious plot hole is the fact that the Ori just now detected tech that's been around forever!!  Remember, the Asguard simply retro-fitted the ship, the drive is the same dirve they've used on their ships!  The Asguard don't mention any confilcts, so we must assume that once the humans get ahold of it, it can magically be detected.  Bah!

Tealc:

Umm, ok apparently these people have never watched Star Trek.  Nevermind, they have, as they rip-off half of their conecpts from them but they must have not been paying attention.  When you send someone back in time, there should now be two of said person, the person from the future (who is now an "alternate future" version of the character as that possibility and dimension of chance, no longer exists) and the original, from the past.  They blatently ignored all of this due to laziness probably...  two Tealc's would have resulted, which can be messy.  Again, they must not watch a lot of sci-fi, because according to some theories (for our purposes I'll call this one the "Back to the Future" theory) once the future Tealc goes back to the past and alters history, he ceases to exist and magically fades away.  If you don't go by that theory, then it's as easy as writing some crap about the time dialation stream being lethal or having him get killed in battle or what-not.  And of course the logical question is why did they have to send back a person?  I mean this makes NO SENSE.  They send back his clothes and a programing crystal, so obviously they can send back in-animate objects.... the ship can replicate any tech they need and the new core can generate holograms.  It's not like they are pressed for time either, sam literally has years to rig something up. She could send back a do-dad that shorts out the control panel, a hologram of thor telling past her not to engage (she would assume it's the thor on the planet and thus instantly trust it in the short time allotted) or any number of things.  Oh and now we are stuck with a skunk-haired, middle-aged Tealc for the movies.  Thanks writers!  Btw how come his hair only goes grey on one side?


Relevance:

The whole season was about this battle between the Ori and the rest of the galaxy, so you would think that the episode would have something to do with that, but it really doesn't.  The Orasai was "killed" along with Baul the episode before, so other than some Ori ships as a plot device, they aren't really involved at all.  The outcome didn't really change anything either because as I've mentioned above, the Asguard haven't been a factor in this fight and the gang still has their tech (they can't use it yet, but I'm sure that'll be solved) so nothing has changed.  Tealc is now old, which makes everything more akward, but he doesn't really seemed affected other than a horrible dye job.  Important characters like O-Neil and Hammond don't return, making it all seem a little hollow, especially considering O-Neil's relationship with Thor and the fact that they invited all  of SGC back for their big ceremony.  It just added to the rushed feeling and made the death of the Asguard seem like something that was thrown in at the last minute, when they really had all season to build up to it.  The closing sequence, which was supposed to be all profound sounding ended up seeming really cheesy to me.  Spouting off old Ben Franklin quotes and not cracking a smile while doing it just made them all seem stupider. Yeah I got the point of that, they were saying that for all their advanced tech, the Asguard aren't really all that advanced as a race where it counts and that the important things are things we already know but take for granted.  It still ended up being pretty lame though.



Ok now that I've went through all of that, I'll go over the two (count em two) things I did like. 

The Mala/Daniel thing was nicely done and appropriate.  There probably won't be time to get into all of that in the movies and it had to happen, so this was the next best thing.  It didn't come off rushed either, which is probably the ONLY plot point in the whole episode that didn't. 

The "indeed" joke at the end.  It's always nice to end on a joke and considering the humor involved in the show, it was appropriate.  Also the guy says indeed approximatiely once every other mission for 10 years and nobody ever rags him on it?  It's about damn time.

Ok, I'm done, just had to get that out there.

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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2007, 12:41:05 pm »
I do agree with a couple things you said, but I disagree with quite a bit of it too.  I would go into more details about what I disagree with, but you've proven in other threads that even with incontrovertible proof you are wrong, you still will not change your mind, so theres really no point.

Overall, I was disappointed in the finale (it wasn't a bad episode, it just shouldn't of been the finale), but I'm glad they are already in the process of making the movies.
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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2007, 12:47:22 am »
I also felt cheated by the lack of O'Neil and Hammond.  It was the series finale, it sure seems like they could have sprung for 2 hours.  For most of the episode, I had my money on it being some sort of test that Asgaard was subjecting them too, to see if they would allow the technology to fall into Ori hands.

It didn't help to know in advance that Amanda Tapping was going onto Atlantis, so there wasn't any way they could let her age 50 years.


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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2007, 06:40:06 am »
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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2007, 09:15:53 am »
My feeliing is that it was not really treated as the final episode and things were not cleared up and tied down because of the upcomming 2 movies.  Sort of like why finish it now cuz we still have time to sort it out later.   The episode finished without giving the feeling that the series had finished.


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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2007, 04:58:10 pm »
I do agree with a couple things you said, but I disagree with quite a bit of it too.  I would go into more details about what I disagree with, but you've proven in other threads that even with incontrovertible proof you are wrong, you still will not change your mind, so theres really no point.


Wow somebody has some issues.   ::) ::)

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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2007, 06:12:55 pm »
I do agree with a couple things you said, but I disagree with quite a bit of it too.  I would go into more details about what I disagree with, but you've proven in other threads that even with incontrovertible proof you are wrong, you still will not change your mind, so theres really no point.


Wow somebody has some issues.   ::) ::)
Heh, I guess I did come off a bit harsh.  I was just in anti-pointless debate mode largely because of shorthair, so I decided to cut the head off of this one before it started.  I know I could of just left out the first paragraph, but I wanted to at least point out that I didn't agree with everything you said.

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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2007, 08:55:06 pm »
HC's probably just annoyed because he can't remember where he parked his D*.  :dunno

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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2007, 11:44:02 am »
There are SG1 movies in the works to help wrap up some of the storylines, especially those dealing with the Ori.  As for whether RDA will be in them, I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2007, 11:49:38 am »
There are SG1 movies in the works to help wrap up some of the storylines, especially those dealing with the Ori.  As for whether RDA will be in them, I wouldn't hold my breath.
You may want to check out some of the other stargate movie threads.  Heres one that links to behind the scenes footage of the first movie and it shows RDA will be back.  http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=68080.0

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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2007, 12:07:10 pm »
Does anyone know if the final episode is online anywhere?  For some reason, my DVR only recorded the first half.   :badmood:

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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2007, 09:07:50 pm »
Bump...

I was checking out my event log the other day...like any good geek.  And I saw that I did in fact have my DVR set right...but some darn copyright goobledyguck stopped it from recording the last 30 minutes.

I mean what's the point of that...now I have to wait to video tape the last episode the next time it comes on?

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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2007, 09:51:22 pm »
That sucks.  If I were you I would download a copy of the episode, just do a search for the torrent and I'm sure lots of hits will come up.  It's also on youtube, so if you don't mind watching a poor copy of it, you can see it there.

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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2007, 11:08:39 pm »
Yeah, except for some strange reason a lot of the torrents don't have Carter's shower scene in them.  :dunno
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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2007, 10:34:14 am »
Hmm... :dizzy:

Ok...I know that's just a joke about Carter's shower scene...I read a spoiler and I know that it was Tealc...can't fool me.


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Re: Stargate SG1 Finale thoughts (If you haven't seen it, don't read!)
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2007, 08:21:20 pm »
Indeed.
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