Author Topic: incararcade "carcade" (Read 14137 times)

nullb0y · « **on:** April 19, 2003, 07:15:27 pm »

i have half of a termpest cabinet in my car right now and im going to putting in a power converter and us9ing a old car battery/charger to power it but i dont know how much voltage im going to need to power itas there are many diffrent power converters that produce diffrent ammounts... what i need powered is an 21 inch or mabey my 17 inch pc monitopr and a regular pc power supply any ideas on how to do this please tell me i need some help

Brad Lee · « **Reply #1 on:** April 19, 2003, 08:43:32 pm »

I have no idea about the power, but am real curious to see what you're talking about. My mind boggles

Brax · « **Reply #2 on:** April 19, 2003, 08:53:05 pm »

Wouldn't it just be easier to get a 6 player x-men cabinet and put wheels and a motor in it??

Sasquatch! · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2003, 08:53:23 pm »

Wait...you're going to have some kind of cabinet mounted in you car?? I second the "I have to see this" request.

(Oh, and sorry, I have no idea about the power either.)

nullb0y · « **Reply #4 on:** April 19, 2003, 09:59:59 pm »

yeah its half a tempest machine(long and sad story

.... ) anyweays i want to mame it sence its only the top half now and i have it replacing the middle seat in my van.... i have to much free time...

RetroBorg · « **Reply #5 on:** April 19, 2003, 10:18:22 pm »

It sounds like you are taking the obsession with MAME to another level. What's next, a floating one in your swimming pool, or perhaps one in your toilet which doubles as a toilet paper dispenser? I look forward to seeing your results.

BobA · « **Reply #6 on:** April 19, 2003, 10:19:04 pm »

You can run everything on AC if you get the right size power converter to change DC to AC for the monitor and computer. About 400 watts should handle it. Depends on your actual monitor some use way more then others. You didnt say what type of monitor you are using but I am assuming a computer type. If you use an old arcade monitor you have the added problem of an isolation transformer which.

You can get your computer to run on 13 VDC if you get a special power converter like those setting up mobile MP3 players use but these are fairly expensive and the 13 VDC to AC converter is probably the best option as you will need AC if you use a computer monitor.

BobA

NIVO · « **Reply #7 on:** April 19, 2003, 10:20:47 pm »

im all over that throne-a-thon mame cab in the toliet hehe.

nullb0y · « **Reply #8 on:** April 19, 2003, 10:30:53 pm »

im deciding wheather to use my giant 21 inch pc or my 17 inch pc monitor i think ill use the 17 as to not such up to much power
so a 400 wat 13 volt converter?
my monitor has this on the back : 17 in monitor - 100-240 v 50/60 hz 1.8 amps

Distortion · « **Reply #9 on:** April 19, 2003, 11:22:59 pm »

hmm...toilet paper dispenser....possibly on an optical rotary joystick hack? hm....an optical toilet paper despenser...think of the possibilities!

nullb0y · « **Reply #10 on:** April 19, 2003, 11:26:08 pm »

ok... but seriousily i am doing this allthough its gonna take a while...

kspiff · « **Reply #11 on:** April 19, 2003, 11:48:11 pm »

nullb0y, take it to a custom car show when you're done

AX · « **Reply #12 on:** April 19, 2003, 11:52:51 pm »

dood thats gotta be the dumbest thing i have ever heard.

I like it

BobA · « **Reply #13 on:** April 20, 2003, 12:03:52 am »

Regarding your monitor. Watts = Volts x Amps so if you are running 110 V your wattage would be approx 200 for just the monitor. Most computers have a 250 or 300 watt supply so the max would be about 450 so a 400 watt converter would probably do it based on not using 100 percent by either the computer or the monitor.

Are you in the USA or Canada as it helps to know how many volts you are using and if it is 50 Hz or 60 Hz.

BobA

Brad Lee · « **Reply #14 on:** April 20, 2003, 12:46:30 am »

Well, in a van(I'm assuming a conversion) it makes more sense than a car- honestly I pictured a buick with the sloped temepst top as a wing on the back

I'm just waiting on pictures heh

nullb0y · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2003, 12:54:33 am »

ok im in the us.... also its a transport 1990 se i took out the middle seats asnd threw it in it is going to be intresting to see how it all works out but i think my car will have 2 less seats perminately from this

nullb0y · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2003, 01:09:10 am »

i really have to trim alot off the top of this thing so i can see out mym side windows so its gonna be butcherd preety bad ..... but ill just have to give it a new paint job...... or get some laminatehowever it works out its not gonna look like tempest anymore... i am thinking of putting a coin door on the side (make passangers pay for their games) lol also im gonna have a wireless keyboard/mouse in the car for easy windows manipulation and plugs for other system controllers ll set where the old tempest cp used to be im going to make a mockup poicture and post it soon so you get the idea

nullb0y · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2003, 01:28:09 am »

here is a really cheesy pic hope it posts never done that --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type--

1UP · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2003, 02:02:53 pm »

Speaking of toilet cabs...

Heheh!

Seriously though, this project worries me for 2 reasons. First, the fact that you're butchering a classic cab to do this. Why? It would probably be easier to make something from scratch that would fit into your car better.

Also, I'm not sure that having a 17" CRT in your car is the best idea if you ever get hit! I would personally go with a cheap LCD panel mounted on a seat-back, or even a small flip-down model on the ceiling, common in newer vans and SUVs. Either of these options will both be safer, and allow you to do what you want to do without removing any seats.

Just PLEASE make sure you fix all this equipment down securely, or the last thing to go through your head before you die just might be your arcade cab -- literally!!

Chris · « **Reply #19 on:** April 20, 2003, 02:09:27 pm »

Oh, come on, 1UP.... you know the toilet is screaming for a cockpit cab!!

nullb0y · « **Reply #20 on:** April 20, 2003, 02:10:58 pm »

i wasnt planing on having the cab butchered i had to move it and in tryinjg to do so it ended up breaking in many ways on the bottom (took boards out allready) then the bottom half kind of collapsed so it was not done intentially to try and save part of it i cut it at the top of the breakage(right below the controll pannel) and threw the massive chunks of broken stuff out.
also i am planning on mounting it into the floor mounts for the seats which are just little metal rings that asre set in the floor i can probally get a latch for one off anouther car seat amazingly the cabinet dowsnt way all that much more than 2 of my car seats so it shouldnt move if i mount it like that

nice pic that is gonna be my next project. j/k

1UP · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2003, 02:56:13 pm »

Quote from: nullb0y on April 20, 2003, 02:10:58 pm

also i am planning on mounting it into the floor mounts for the seats which are just little metal rings that asre set in the floor i can probally get a latch for one off anouther car seat amazingly the cabinet dowsnt way all that much more than 2 of my car seats so it shouldnt move if i mount it like that

Hmm, well the difference is, your car seats are specifically designed to be removable, yet still be secure and rigid in the event of a crash. This is done with careful engineering and crash testing with dummies, etc. You're not a dummy, are you?

Unless you are an engineer, and can actually calculate the forces involved and the strength of fasteners and materials required to keep everything anchored safely in the event of a serious crash, I would recommend abandoning this whole idea entirely, as cool as it seems on the surface.

Monitors are quite heavy (even small ones), and I would not trust any home-brewed enclosure to hold one securely. Even if you use actual anchors from your original seats, they MAY keep things from sliding around during normal driving, but there's no guarantee that whatever you use to attach them to the wood, or indeed the wood itself, will keep the CRT from breaking free and being launched thru the windshield with great force, and taking your head with it very easily. You already said that the cab broke apart during moving, and I personally would not trust weakened wood with my life.

One more thing to think about. If by some horrible turn of events, someone is actually killed or maimed in your little funmobile, it is unlikely that your insurance will pay a cent once it is clear that injuries resulted from modifications that YOU personally made to the vehicle. Seriously, if you care at all about your own life (or that of your family or friends) consider having a flip-down LCD panel installed by a professional, with A/V connections on the floor for hooking up a console or a mini PC enclosure. I would suggest tucking the game unit underneath a seat, and strapping it down securely. Make sure you use light-weight gamepads for controls, not heavy home-brewed wooden desktop control panels, or you've got yet another serious decapitation hazard.

Home made cabs are great fun, and are safe enough when sitting motionless in your living room. But the road is no place for large scale DIY gaming, especially at 60+MPH. Am I wrong?

Frostillicus · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2003, 03:17:34 pm »

Quote from: 1UP on April 20, 2003, 02:56:13 pm

Home made cabs are great fun, and are safe enough when sitting motionless in your living room. But the road is no place for large scale DIY gaming, especially at 60+MPH. Am I wrong?

I'm with 1UP with this. you're dealing with some serious g's when you go from 50-0 in a fraction of a second (like in a crash). Pilots go up to like 5 or 10 g's (I think. I don't need correcting on this it's just an illustration), but they say Princess diana hit the front seat with a force ~700 g's. That's putting things in perspective.

Besides, you might be driving near me, in which case you're putting me at risk also. It is a public road, after all.

jerryjanis · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2003, 03:22:41 pm »

Quote from: 1UP on April 20, 2003, 02:56:13 pm

If by some horrible turn of events, someone is actually killed or maimed...

Killed or MAME'd?

1UP · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2003, 03:42:26 pm »

You also can't discount the extra distraction to the driver, when everyone in the back seat is bashing buttons and laughing and bellowing. My wife recently got in a fender bender just from the distraction of me quietly playing games on my phone in the passengers seat, on a tiny screen with the sound off. Imagine if I had been playing SFII on a full-sized screen, slapping buttons and cursing, with the audio blaring!

I'm not trying to spoil anyone's fun, but this is dead serious. It can be done, but the method you're planning is not exactly the safest. In fact, aside from just setting a PC monitor on a coffee table in the middle of your van, it's about as dangerous as you can get. It only takes a second to change the rest of your life...

RetroBorg · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2003, 06:55:00 am »

Great toilet cabinet 1Up but where's the MAME logo pooh paper?

Brax · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2003, 08:21:24 am »

A CRT in your car is not bright.

A van? Children riding in this?

High Voltage isn't the only danger with a monitor. If that 21" monitor were to ever break the force can be measured in TONS.

rampy · « **Reply #27 on:** April 21, 2003, 09:10:20 am »

this thread reminds me of the darwin awards for some reason...

Maybe Nullb0y could add a rocket engine that accidently found it's way into a local scrap yard... into his project.

(it's a joke, son.... do not attempt this at home)

rampy

nullb0y · « **Reply #28 on:** April 21, 2003, 01:52:27 pm »

i was plaon having a hness weded nto the floor of my car to hold everything sturdy and mabey ditching the tempest cab as its wood is starting to break (think it got rotted) so im ditchig the old plans and making a new device to hold the pc and the monitor more securely sence that thing is really old wood

Brax · « **Reply #29 on:** April 21, 2003, 06:06:45 pm »

If it's been too cryptic up until now let me try and make it clearer.

This is a stupid, dangerous, STUPID idea and you need to forget about it.

android · « **Reply #30 on:** April 21, 2003, 06:33:29 pm »

I've been following this thread out of pure amusement just to see how far can this go... but now that I have realized that nullboy is serious about it, I just couldn't contain myself and have to say that this has to be the most stupid idea I've ever heard in a long long time. Sorry nullboy, but who in his right mind needs an arcade *cabinet* in his car? not a PS/LCD combo (which I can understand) but a full arcade game? This is stupid. Or let me put it this way: THIS IS STUPID.

Chris · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2003, 06:42:53 pm »

I don't think anyone's meaning to be nasty or harsh... everyone's just concerned for your safety.

Unless you're leaving us your cab and parts in your will....

skirge66 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2003, 06:56:43 pm »

here is just a little more food for thought and my $.02

even if my chance you manage to build a frame that keeps this entire thing steady and secure in your car..which isn't very likely if you are using wood for construction. there is one other little problem you really need to consider.

just how big is the cab of a car? have you ever been near a monitor that imploded? it's not a pretty sight, and i'm betting that even if doesn't break free in a wreack...the tube probably will shatter this causes a couple of problems, 1) a 17-19" monitor probably will implode with enough force to injure everyone in the car. and you do realize the the inside of a crt i coated with poisonous material probably adding it's own hazzards to the slice and dice scenario so it's worse than just making hamburger out of anything that isn't shielded.

bad bad bad idea, sounds neat in theory, but not very bright in function...on a lighter note, i like the crap-cade idea...all it need is a beer fridge built in, since you're sitting anyhow

nullb0y · « **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2003, 09:05:43 pm »

actually the only way im going to do tis is with yes an lcd and a videogame system like all the famous people brag aboutim gonna go buy a power inverter and a lcd screen bye bye

shmokes · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2003, 09:49:06 pm »

You meanies!

I'm all for the cocktail cab (fitting name). You could just sit on the toilet backwards and mount the controls on the top of the tank.

nullb0y · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2003, 10:34:58 pm »

anyone know whee i can get an lcd screen

rampy · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2003, 10:55:09 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on April 21, 2003, 09:49:06 pm

You meanies!

I'm all for the cocktail cab (fitting name). You could just sit on the toilet backwards and mount the controls on the top of the tank.

do you think we'd need a mounting plate? What's best to drill through porclein without having it crack?

I think we'd need to waterproof our keyboard encoders.... gives a new meaning to the name "key whiz" =P

*Shrug*

rampy

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2003, 11:19:36 pm »

OH NO !
Nullby is BACK !
What happend to your "PIMPED OUT" writing style?
No more?
You are just kidding right?
I mean how far would you possibly drive that you need a cabinet even in a car?

I think the idea is cool but in other hand its kinda stupid(c'mon think about it $:-\$ ).

android · « **Reply #38 on:** April 21, 2003, 11:29:18 pm »

Quote from: nullb0y on April 21, 2003, 10:34:58 pm

anyone know whee i can get an lcd screen

Phew!... Now that you have come to your senses, I can now give you some constructive comments. I got my GameCube LCD from ToysRUs. The nice thing about the GC/LCD combo is that you mount it on top of the GC and with a little creativity it can be made to look like an arcade game. These are cheaper than the ones made specifically for cars, but are not as cool. You can also find these at almost any place that sells consoles, like BestBuy, Circuit City, etc. These places also carry LCDs that are mounted in your car (backseat, roof or console). Another option is to buy a removable DVD/VCR LCD combo that comes in sort of a backpack and you hang between the seats. Finally, there's this gamepad/LCD combo (i.e the LCD is integrated on the gamepad) they sell at Fry's, Gamestop, etc. Not very good quality but it is the smallest LCD solution around. Any of these is safer and more versatile than the carcade you had in mind.

AX · « **Reply #39 on:** April 21, 2003, 11:44:16 pm »

have you seen my baseball

frank and beans

shmokes · « **Reply #40 on:** April 21, 2003, 11:46:48 pm »

Pimped out??? What are you talking about?

Seriously, I don't think anybody was trying to drive nullboy away, just helping him live longer.

I suspect that he's looking for something much larger than a gamecube LCD. Check out www.bensbargains.net . You can always find good deals there, such as Dell's current deal where you can get a box perfect for Mame including a 15" LCD screen for $499.

You know what would be great? You could have two toilets back-to-back separated by a screen. Mount controls in the top of the tank and then you and your wife would no longer have to take turns for the bathroom. Now there is no time that you will have to spend apart with your loved ones.

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #41 on:** April 22, 2003, 12:00:54 am »

Quote from: shmokes on April 21, 2003, 11:46:48 pm

Pimped out??? What are you talking about?

LOL ! ! !

you didnt know?
He used to write so bad...it just hurt your eyes..I am not kidding.Long time ago,my god...my eyes

.Now he his posts are nice and clean.

As for the topic,I would still say dont try such thing.Ya might be in the front page of the news paper."man crashes playing mame

".

nullb0y · « **Reply #42 on:** April 22, 2003, 12:16:57 am »

how (safely) can i mount a tower pc with a lcd screen in my car ? i mean myxbox is the same size lol tht hing wou be lethal

nullb0y · « **Reply #43 on:** April 22, 2003, 12:23:51 am »

well my typing skills ave slihtyimprooved butyou know tings change when you have 4 computer classes a day my keyboard is kind f non responsive some imes like that t for tmes an that i for times again it wont regster so i guess this would be better anyways for now im going to work on geting enough money for a large pc lcd screen for cheap.... any one wnt half a tempest cabinet lol god it ticks me off that thatcab broke like it did

android · « **Reply #44 on:** April 22, 2003, 10:09:57 am »

Quote from: nullb0y on April 22, 2003, 12:16:57 am

how (safely) can i mount a tower pc with a lcd screen in my car ? i mean myxbox is the same size lol tht hing wou be lethal

Get a micro PC or one of those new Dell desktops. They are small and can be placed under a seat. With some imagination you could mount the LCD on the roof of your car and flip it down for playing; just do me a favor: don't put it in front of the driver.

rampy · « **Reply #45 on:** April 22, 2003, 10:27:26 am »

Quote from: SNAAAKE on April 22, 2003, 12:00:54 am

Quote from: shmokes on April 21, 2003, 11:46:48 pm
Pimped out??? What are you talking about?

LOL ! ! !
you didnt know?
He used to write so bad...it just hurt your eyes..I am not kidding.Long time ago,my god...my eyes .Now he his posts are nice and clean.
As for the topic,I would still say dont try such thing.Ya might be in the front page of the news paper."man crashes playing mame ".

The irony is killing me here... where did I keep my kettle?

rampy

skirge66 · « **Reply #46 on:** April 22, 2003, 10:39:34 am »

...*giggle*...

nullb0y · « **Reply #47 on:** April 22, 2003, 08:29:50 pm »

im thinking of making a very secure harness for a pc monitor but om not shure any ideas on making that work anyone?

android · « **Reply #48 on:** April 22, 2003, 10:22:29 pm »

Still have that idea stuck in your head?!? Ok. Fine. Get a big ass monitor (a D9200 preferrably). Then find a big ass PC tower and put it in there too. Then drive as fast as you can while playing a nice game of "Destruction Derby". With a little bit of luck, your gene pool won't get perpetuated.

nullb0y · « **Reply #49 on:** April 24, 2003, 08:52:15 pm »

right now the bck of my vanis filledwith half of my possetions because my room started caving in so there is a 17 injchmonitor and a big arsed tower and an xbox and lots of otherthings just sitting in there

NAH · « **Reply #50 on:** April 24, 2003, 09:13:06 pm »

Here's a power inverter on sale, however In the paper copy of their catalog they have it listed for 29.99 I wonder if it was too good of a deal?
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&TEST=Y&productId=11980

EDIT
ok if you want to get it for 29.99 like it is in the cataloge go to the top of their page and click on Order from catalog.... enter item # 45519 Catalog #256

AX · « **Reply #51 on:** April 24, 2003, 09:57:34 pm »

dood your room started caving in? I think you need to get a job and maybe move to a better part of town before spending any money on arcade crap.....

paigeoliver · « **Reply #52 on:** April 24, 2003, 10:11:15 pm »

Any size PC is fine for inside the car, provided you strap it down under a seat, or in the trunk.

You will also probably need a BIG power invertor. I used to have a fanless PC with a 15" touch screen in my old Honda (was designed for cop cars, but I found it at a pawn shop), and my 300 watt power invertor just barely handled it.

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #53 on:** April 24, 2003, 10:28:13 pm »

I say rip out ALL the seats in the van and convert it into one big cockpit MAME cab!

Or lets MAME a Star Wars cockpit cab and somehow mount it to one of those electric cars/golf carts!! A Star Wars Cab you can drive, cool.

$:-\$

nullb0y · « **Reply #54 on:** April 25, 2003, 12:13:08 am »

i got a 400 watt power inverter on ebay i hope thats enough
also i live in an apartment with my g/f and the idiot upstairs instalkled something wrone so things should be fixxed by monday

Sasquatch! · « **Reply #55 on:** April 25, 2003, 12:30:01 am »

Quote from: rampy on April 22, 2003, 10:27:26 am

The irony is killing me here... where did I keep my kettle?

rampy

paigeoliver · « **Reply #56 on:** April 25, 2003, 12:47:11 am »

There still remains one big question here.

Why?

Do you really spend that much time in your van that a Mame setup would be worthwhile? You can't play while you drive you know.

skirge66 · « **Reply #57 on:** April 25, 2003, 01:48:54 am »

from the sounds of it, he's livin in his car ...and you have a mame in your house don't you?hehe...at this rate we'll see you sitting in a denny's stirring katsup into a glass of water tricking yourself into thinking your getting nutrition (laugh if you will, i watched homeless people in san diego doing exactly this)...prioritys man...priorities...get a reasonable place to live first

paigeoliver · « **Reply #58 on:** April 25, 2003, 01:55:16 am »

Quote from: skirge66 on April 25, 2003, 01:48:54 am

from the sounds of it, he's livin in his car ...and you have a mame in your house don't you?hehe...at this rate we'll see you sitting in a denny's stirring katsup into a glass of water tricking yourself into thinking your getting nutrition (laugh if you will, i watched homeless people in san diego doing exactly this)...prioritys man...priorities...get a reasonable place to live first

I remember when I worked at Mc Donalds (10 years ago, so no jokes!). This one homeless guy would always come in and eat condiments from the condiment bar (lettuce, onions, pickles, and catsup).

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #59 on:** April 25, 2003, 07:47:49 am »

SO what..got to do what you do to survive....

we all do it in some form.

anyway,

what about the mobile Star Wars Cab?!!!!!

nullb0y · « **Reply #60 on:** April 25, 2003, 09:26:24 am »

im in some of the best apartments just thast the idiot who origonally plumbing messed up on the toilet sewage pipe upstairs so when that stuff just leaks and leaks onto the ceeling it warps and breaks then spills everywhere so it was a very groos and nasty mess but it shopuld be fixxed soon. they fixed the pipe now all they need to do is replace the ceeling i gotta go now see yall later

android · « **Reply #61 on:** April 25, 2003, 12:15:25 pm »

Quote from: nullb0y on April 25, 2003, 09:26:24 am

im in some of the best apartments just thast the idiot who origonally plumbing messed up on the toilet sewage pipe upstairs so when that stuff just leaks and leaks onto the ceeling it warps and breaks then spills everywhere so it was a very groos and nasty mess but it shopuld be fixxed soon. they fixed the pipe now all they need to do is replace the ceeling i gotta go now see yall later

And what, may I ask, does this have to do with anything? Sorry but I simply can't understand your logic: at what point do you go from pipe leak problem to an in-car arcade?

If water damage is your concern, wouldn't it be just easier to cover the cab with plastic and save yourself the trouble of the car hacking? but that should be a moot point now that your leak problem is fixed.

Anyway I'm still puzzled...

1UP · « **Reply #62 on:** April 25, 2003, 12:43:16 pm »

Quote from: paigeoliver on April 25, 2003, 12:47:11 am

There still remains one big question here.

Why?

Do you really spend that much time in your van that a Mame setup would be worthwhile? You can't play while you drive you know.

This from someone who drives from the back seat using one toe and two fingers??

nullb0y · « **Reply #63 on:** April 25, 2003, 11:32:14 pm »

i plan 0on stopping and playing not driving and playing

skirge66 · « **Reply #64 on:** April 26, 2003, 07:06:16 am »

i'm not much for being derogatory but hey...say this out loud over and over again until you get it.

I AM WE TODD DID...I AM SOFA KING WE TODD DID!

say in amongst all your friends, stick a fork in it...it's done

Tiger-Heli · « **Reply #65 on:** April 26, 2003, 12:04:57 pm »

Quote from: rampy on April 22, 2003, 10:27:26 am

The irony is killing me here... where did I keep my kettle?

rampy

I was thinking the same thing!!!

nullb0y · « **Reply #66 on:** April 26, 2003, 01:12:56 pm »

so here is the plan :
step1 : get a large lcd tv/pc screen mabey a 2 in 1 thing
step 2 mount everything securily
step 3 plug it in and play

AX · « **Reply #67 on:** April 26, 2003, 02:17:21 pm »

i thought it was

Step 1 get underpants
step 2 ?
Step 3 Profit

nullb0y · « **Reply #68 on:** April 26, 2003, 02:22:19 pm »

hey thatsa god idea i could us some un der pants

xcalibur · « **Reply #69 on:** February 26, 2004, 10:59:05 am »


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