New "Loch Ness" footage

[shardian]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/05/31/britain.lochness.ap/index.html

I wasn't exactly blown away by this footage. Won't surprise me if it turns out to be fake. Even if it is real, it doesn't prove anything.

What does everyone else think?

[ChadTower]

I never understood why we can detect a bad burrito from space but we can't definitively search a lake for a 50 foot monster.

I think the WMDs are there too.

[shardian]

I never understood why we can detect a bad burrito from space but we can't definitively search a lake for a 50 foot monster.

I think the WMDs are there too.

They've sent sonar equipped subs multiple times down into that lake and didn't find the slightest hint of a large creature. The latest was in 2004 that used a 600 sonar beam setup. They concluded that nothing big was found. Here is that article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3096839.stm

[ChadTower]

Right, but still, they have to put proves in quotes, because people don't believe it.

[shardian]

Right, but still, they have to put proves in quotes, because people don't believe it.

What was extra neat about that study is that they were also scanning for air pockets. So even if the animal was asleep/stationary/hiding/who the @#$knows what else, it could be seen.

[Samstag]

Any conspiracy theorist worth his salt will tell you that definitive scientific proof that there's nothing in the lake just proves they're trying to hide something and the scientists are in on it (or coerced by the Scottish mafia!).

[Howard_Casto]

I'm open to the possibility that something could be in there, but that footage is obviously just a rogue wave.  Any special on nessie talks about rogue waves and shows and example of one.  That one is text-book.

[shardian]

I'm open to the possibility that something could be in there, but that footage is obviously just a rogue wave.  Any special on nessie talks about rogue waves and shows and example of one.  That one is text-book.

I didn't think it was anything more than a wave shadow either.

[ChadTower]

A rogue wave in a freshwater body?

[TOK]

How is it that clear pictures of Hollywood cootchies are snapped every day, but nobody has been able to get a clear shot of an even bigger monster in 100 years?

The Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot are both BS. 

[shardian]

How is it that clear pictures of Hollywood cootchies are snapped every day, but nobody has been able to get a clear shot of an even bigger monster in 100 years?

The Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot are both BS. 

Because Photographers have their priorities in line.

[ChadTower]

I could live without shots of Paris Hilton's rough tenderized meat flaps.

[shorthair]

I think it was digital trickery. And notice how still sucky the footage seems...in this day and age?! And what the hell was he doing there, waiting?

However, I thought the baby racing story afterwards was much cuter.

[polaris]

I think it was digital trickery. And notice how still sucky the footage seems...in this day and age?! And what the hell was he doing there, waiting?

However, I thought the baby racing story afterwards was much cuter.

people do just wait there hoping for a glimpse, im sure some even live there in hope of seeing it

[RandyT]

If anyone wants to see an entertaining "crockumentary", check out "Incident at Loch Ness"  Either it was really funny, or I caught it while in just the right mental state.

BTW, I'm with the "Loch Ness is BS" crowd.  I would tend to think that a creature that big would not be so scared of us puny humans, unless we shot the hell out of it a couple of times.  And if you can see it long enough to shoot a gun at it, somebody would have been able to get a picture of the thing that didn't look like a moldy hotdog in the moonlight.

RandyT

[Texasmame]

I think CNN's video feed sucks it hard.   

[shardian]

Here is some definitive evidence:

[patrickl]

Here is some definitive evidence:

Well that looked pretty convincing

Better that all the other footage actually 

Maybe the beard was fake though?

[horseboy]

I heard that Geraldo has an interview lined up with Nessie for next week. Maybe he will tell us if he is really real or not. I can't wait to see.

[Howard_Casto]

A rogue wave in a freshwater body?

Yup... like I said, watch any nessie special. 

[FrizzleFried]

I find it strange that a 100' creatures "POO" hasn't been found.  I mean come on,  the thing has to squirt out some pretty heafty turds,  right?

[patrickl]

A rogue wave in a freshwater body?

Yup... like I said, watch any nessie special. 

Not sure though, why can't you have waves in freshwater? Apparently it's a big lake.

In the Netherlands we have a big lake and it has waves. I was in Chicago and I'm pretty sure they had a lake coast there with waves too.

[grantspain]

i have been to scotland and i can tell you there are some big,hideous monsters lurking around,specially in glasgow and go by the name of morag

[Dartful Dodger]

I heard that Geraldo has an interview lined up with Nessie for next week. Maybe he will tell us if he is really real or not. I can't wait to see.

He's hoping to show it before Gore's documentary about this endangered species.

Gore’s documentary has scientific proof of its existence and that the government and local residents are trying to convince the world it’s not real so PETA won’t get in the way of Scotland’s progress.

[ChadTower]

Not sure though, why can't you have waves in freshwater? Apparently it's a big lake.

In the Netherlands we have a big lake and it has waves. I was in Chicago and I'm pretty sure they had a lake coast there with waves too.

It has waves but not real tides.  The waves would just be the accumulation of displacement waves.  Ocean waves are driven by shifting tides mostly and storm systems after that.  If you don't have a tide giving storm energy on the surface some velocity, it disperses in too many directions, never really building up to form the type of energy a rogue wave requires.

[shardian]

Not sure though, why can't you have waves in freshwater? Apparently it's a big lake.

In the Netherlands we have a big lake and it has waves. I was in Chicago and I'm pretty sure they had a lake coast there with waves too.

It has waves but not real tides.  The waves would just be the accumulation of displacement waves.  Ocean waves are driven by shifting tides mostly and storm systems after that.  If you don't have a tide giving storm energy on the surface some velocity, it disperses in too many directions, never really building up to form the type of energy a rogue wave requires.

Well rogue wave is probably not the best term in this case. How does "lake ripple" do for you. That image is probably just a shadow caused by a lake ripple.

[ChadTower]

Better.    To someone who grew up in the Maritimes among a family of fishermen (mostly lobster), a rogue wave is a serious thing.  They kill people.

[patrickl]

I know the lake in the Netherlands has up to 6 foot waves. Especially since it's a fresh water lake it has waves that come up quicker than expected and they are shorter and higher (than expected). Wouldn't that just be the exact thing you need for a rogue wave?

[ChadTower]

A rogue wave is a single wave that would be several times higher than the waves before and after it.  We're talking the type that overturns a 25' boat and rips people off deck of larger boats.

[patrickl]

Several ships were lost to freak waves on the IJsselmeer in the Netherlands. Amongst them big commercial barges and a small oil tanker. On the other hand, the IJsselmeer is probably a lot bigger than Loch Ness.

[shardian]

In my research into a "rogue wave", they are found in the Great Lakes. Of course, the great lakes are more like a small sea anyways.

[patrickl]

Yeah, I found that Loch ness is about 56.4 km² (21.8 sq mi). That's not very big compared to IJsselmeer (1100km2) and The great lakes (alltogether 94,250 square miles or 244,100 km²)

[ChadTower]

In my research into a "rogue wave", they are found in the Great Lakes. Of course, the great lakes are more like a small sea anyways.

In the Great Lakes?  Could you show me the source on that?  That's interesting to me.

[shardian]

In my research into a "rogue wave", they are found in the Great Lakes. Of course, the great lakes are more like a small sea anyways.

In the Great Lakes?  Could you show me the source on that?  That's interesting to me.

From wikipedia:

Rogue waves are also known to occur on the inland Great Lakes, which are more like large inland seas. Perhaps most famously such inland freak waves are believed, according to some reconstructions, to be responsible for the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald in November 1975 (see below). However other causes have been advanced; the matter is far from settled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freak_waves

[ErikRuud]

I think the waves that Howard is referring to are actually caused by boats on the lake or a combination of wind and boats.

I have seen it in at least two shows.

If i remember correctly it requires more than one wake interacting to create a kind of standing wave/disturbance in the water that is sometimes visible minutes after the boats are gone.