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Defender Control Problem
« on: May 10, 2007, 07:56:49 pm »
I've got a Williams Defender that was working just fine until a few weeks ago.  Then I got the "RAM failure" at bootup.  (It was intermittent -- sometimes I got it, other times I didn't.)  Since that is a typical problem with Williams (or so I hear), I went ahead and ordered a full set of new 4116s.  I haven't put those in yet....

But, the RAM failure is gone...the rug test says everything checks out, but my up control isn't working.  I've lifted the CP and shorted the wires together to make sure it isn't a bad switch, but nothing happens.  At first, I got jerky movement up...then no movement when I pushed thrust at the same time as the up control.  Now, no movement at all in the up direction -- even with the switch shorted shut with a jumper.  Maybe it's a logic problem on the board?  I hope not!

Anyone got any ideas or has anyone seen this before????

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Re: Defender Control Problem
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2007, 11:37:36 pm »
A lot of Williams games run their CP's through an interface board before going to the CPU.  Follow the wiring harness from the CP to the board and check the connectors to that board for cold solder joints, etc....  Sometimes that little board goes bad and causes CP problems.  But... try two things first.  Jumper the ground from down to the ground on the up to see if it works.  If it does, then you have a bad ground and can just run a new jumper to the ground lug of your up.  If it still doesn't work, remove your down wire and move your up wire to the down switch and see if pulling down on the joystick makes the ship go up.  If it does, then the switch or wiring is probably bad, regardless of your jumpering.  Don't forget to move them back afterwards.   It's probably a good idea to check continuity from the pad on the board to the switch just in case there is an internal break in the wires or connectors keeping the signal from being routed properly.

By the way, a lot of times RAM errors are caused by unstable power supplies rather than actual bad RAM chips.  If you're getting the same RAM error every time, then swap the bad RAM chip with one from a different location to see if the error changes.  If so, replace the chip.  If not, obviously check the chip socket, but then go to your power supply.  If you're getting different RAM errors, then go directly to the power supply.
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Re: Defender Control Problem
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2007, 08:09:49 am »
modessitt has it right in terms of how to trouble shoot it...

also...

I purchased a non-working defender... none of the IO worked...  turned out to be a bad PIA (6821) on the interface board. 

Also be sure to check the 20 pin header (1J2) on the CPU/Video Board that accepts the interface board ribbon cable... those tend to get oxidized and grimy causing all sorts of non-working conditions... if it is loose or faulty... wiggling it while its on won't make a difference... you will have to clean it re-seat it and reset the unit.

If it turns out to be the PIA... its no biggie... you can get replacements from ether Bob Roberts or Jameco.com
« Last Edit: May 11, 2007, 08:26:04 am by RetroACTIVE »
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Re: Defender Control Problem
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2007, 10:19:26 am »
Just don't move up. You're welcome.  :cheers:
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Re: Defender Control Problem
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2007, 11:49:55 pm »
 :applaud:

I reseated the ribbon cables between the two boards in the back.  The problem seems to be gone for the moment, but I'll keep an eye on it and do some more in-depth troubleshooting if it returns.

Thanks to all for the advice.