Author Topic: Campus Shooting (Read 5157 times)

HaRuMaN · « **on:** April 16, 2007, 01:19:12 pm »

As some of you may know, I go to Virginia Tech... there was a horrible shooting this morning, and 22 people are dead. I'm ok, and as far as I can tell, my friends are ok. Please keep the victims and families in your thoughts and prayers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

They're saying this is the worst campus shooting in U.S history.

horseboy · « **Reply #1 on:** April 16, 2007, 01:48:42 pm »

My little brother went to VT. He graduated last year. I wonder if his buddies are ok?

KenToad · « **Reply #2 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:05:38 pm »

I didn't know you went there, Haruman. I'm truly speechless about this tragedy. I hope you and yours continue to do well.

horseboy · « **Reply #3 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:16:34 pm »

Radio said the count is up to 32 and it has become the worst shooting of any kind in US history.

pointdablame · « **Reply #4 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:29:47 pm »

I posted this elsewhere a few mins ago, but I feel like ranting here as well. Sorry for the language... this stuff just really upsets me. I'm glad you are ok Haruman, and I pray everyone you know is as well. Keep us informed of what's going on there... I just heard the FBI are taking over the investigation. --

This is sickening, and very frightening to me sitting at a school that ranks pretty high up on the "least happy student" lists.

I just wish these fuckwits would kill themselves from the start and be done with it. I'm not condoning suicide, but ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---... go kill yourself and write us a sad note on how you weren't hugged as a kid and that your mom was a whore. Maybe blame Hollywood, games, and rap music too for good measure.... but why kill others for no reason?

---smurfing--- ---uvulas---. My heart goes out to all those affected... it's just not fair.

pointdablame · « **Reply #5 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:31:04 pm »

News just reported that there are now 31 casualties up from 21/22 a few mins ago.

boykster · « **Reply #6 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:35:45 pm »

Damn Haruman, glad that you are OK and hope your friends and colleagues are too.

My sister in law (wife's sister) just graduated from there last year....very scary stuff.

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #7 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:43:54 pm »

Yeah, this is a terrible situation... I feel sick. I can't believe that this would happen here.

Thanks for all your thoughts.

-Lee

shardian · « **Reply #8 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:50:08 pm »

A very sad situation. I'll be praying for everyone involved.

It is very odd though that one guy with two handguns could do so much damage. Are they sure it was only one shooter Haruman?

ChadTower · « **Reply #9 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:51:17 pm »

It's not odd at all if he knew how to handle them.

horseboy · « **Reply #10 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:56:08 pm »

Yep, tons of people. Not many places to hide. Easy pickens. What a bastard. I can't even begin to comprehend why someone would do such a thing.

ChadTower · « **Reply #11 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:57:19 pm »

You're not supposed to understand why a mentally ill person does something like this.

Ed_McCarron · « **Reply #12 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:59:02 pm »

Nuts. People are insane.

That said.

News reports the guy had a 9mm gun and a .22 .

If he shot 50+ people, and has killed 30+, hes either a really good shot, or spent a lot of time reloading.

I'd probably be hiding in the closet, but I'm surprised noone tried to stop him, especially in todays world.

shardian · « **Reply #13 on:** April 16, 2007, 03:01:50 pm »

Quote from: Ed_McCarron on April 16, 2007, 02:59:02 pm

Nuts. People are insane.

That said.

News reports the guy had a 9mm gun and a .22 .

If he shot 50+ people, and has killed 30+, hes either a really good shot, or spent a lot of time reloading.

Those columbine kids were loaded with guns and only killed 13 I believe. There has got to be more to this story than what we have so far.
They originally said they were hunting for a second gunman.

MikeQ · « **Reply #14 on:** April 16, 2007, 03:07:54 pm »

Our news was reporting that he lined people up against a wall and executed them.

This is why more people should take advantage of concealed weapons permitts and carry a gun all the time.

boykster · « **Reply #15 on:** April 16, 2007, 03:14:48 pm »

Will be a few days before the story settles down. I heard that he was carrying (2) 9mm pistols. Many 9mm's can have a clip capacity of 14 + 1, so that would be a total of 30shots before reloading. A single reload of each would give him an additional 28shots.

Thats only a minimum 1 reload and possibly 2 or 3 total.

Ed_McCarron · « **Reply #16 on:** April 16, 2007, 03:18:36 pm »

Quote from: boykster on April 16, 2007, 03:14:48 pm

Will be a few days before the story settles down. I heard that he was carrying (2) 9mm pistols. Many 9mm's can have a clip capacity of 14 + 1, so that would be a total of 30shots before reloading. A single reload of each would give him an additional 28shots.

Thats only a minimum 1 reload and possibly 2 or 3 total.

Assuming each shot was a kill. Not likely for someone wandering through a campus taking potshots.

The execution thing is sounding more likely. Wackos.

Most likely, the guy got into an argument over whether or not Nintendo joysticks could break, and went off the deep end.

shardian · « **Reply #17 on:** April 16, 2007, 03:22:36 pm »

I just heard that he apparently chained the door shut on a classroom so noone could leave. In situations like that, I don't understand why people would just take that. After so many killed and you know you are gonna die, might as well make a stand.

ChadTower · « **Reply #18 on:** April 16, 2007, 03:22:49 pm »

It only takes a couple seconds to load a fresh clip if you are carrying spares.

boykster · « **Reply #19 on:** April 16, 2007, 03:39:38 pm »

Quote from: Ed_McCarron on April 16, 2007, 03:18:36 pm

Quote from: boykster on April 16, 2007, 03:14:48 pm
Will be a few days before the story settles down. I heard that he was carrying (2) 9mm pistols. Many 9mm's can have a clip capacity of 14 + 1, so that would be a total of 30shots before reloading. A single reload of each would give him an additional 28shots.

Thats only a minimum 1 reload and possibly 2 or 3 total.

Assuming each shot was a kill. Not likely for someone wandering through a campus taking potshots.

The execution thing is sounding more likely. Wackos.

Oh, I totally agree. Just pointing out that 50+ shots doesn't require a ton of reload time if you are prepared....which makes this all the more messed up....

MikeQ · « **Reply #20 on:** April 16, 2007, 03:40:43 pm »

They are reporting here it was over a girlfriend.

What is really nuts is that someone killed a student in the morning and they didn't shut the school down and send everyone home. The second round of shootings happened two hours later.

They think now the shootings are related. Duh.

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #21 on:** April 16, 2007, 03:43:11 pm »

Quote from: MikeQ on April 16, 2007, 03:40:43 pm

They are reporting here it was over a girlfriend.

What is really nuts is that someone killed a student in the morning and they didn't shut the school down and send everyone home. The second round of shootings happened two hours later.

They think now the shootings are related. Duh.

The original shootings in the dorm were reported as "someone falling from their bunk" so there was some confusion as to what originally happened.

The second shooting occured in a crowded engineering classroom.

MikeQ · « **Reply #22 on:** April 16, 2007, 04:31:26 pm »

I have a friend in the media and he sent me the URL's for the shooters myspace page. He also gave me the girlfriends page.

I'll post them P&R if anyone requests.

ChadTower · « **Reply #23 on:** April 16, 2007, 04:35:20 pm »

I would imagine that will be down as soon as the authorities get hold of the info. They'll want it frozen as evidence.

MikeQ · « **Reply #24 on:** April 16, 2007, 04:51:51 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on April 16, 2007, 04:35:20 pm

I would imagine that will be down as soon as the authorities get hold of the info. They'll want it frozen as evidence.

We had a suicide here of a woman who's child was "kidnapped". Probably heard about it (Trenton Duckett) It was national news for a while. The cops left her myspace page up in hopes it would generate tips from people posting.

shardian · « **Reply #25 on:** April 16, 2007, 04:54:17 pm »

Quote from: MikeQ on April 16, 2007, 04:51:51 pm

Quote from: ChadTower on April 16, 2007, 04:35:20 pm

I would imagine that will be down as soon as the authorities get hold of the info. They'll want it frozen as evidence.

We had a suicide here of a woman who's child was "kidnapped". Probably heard about it (Trenton Duckett) It was national news for a while. The cops left her myspace page up in hopes it would generate tips from people posting.

There was a murder/suicide in my area - two people I went to school with. Myspace was mentioned quite a bit by the news, about certain blogs and comments showed something might happen. Anyways, their myspace sites were left in tact too.

DrumAnBass · « **Reply #26 on:** April 16, 2007, 05:19:54 pm »

Yah I am interested in the URLs as well...

MikeQ · « **Reply #27 on:** April 16, 2007, 07:30:52 pm »

Posted in P&R.

RTSDaddy2 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 16, 2007, 07:56:11 pm »

I can't agree with you all enough - if you're that ticked off at the world, just kill yourself - WHY must you feel that you have to end the lives of 32 others, and change forever the lives of everyone else on that campus, just because something bad happened to you?

My wife and I first heard of it this afternoon around 12:30....and just sat stunned and horrified as the number of dead continued to increase. I've just been in shock, I think, most of the afternoon. I have some former students that are heading off to college (read: away from home) next year that I have become friends with over a span of 10 + years, as well as their families. This makes it even harder to let them go.

Our prayers are with the entireity of the Va Tech family. It's just an unimaginable tragedy.

RayB · « **Reply #29 on:** April 16, 2007, 09:45:24 pm »

So... when are they going to link this to video games? ....

Donkey_Kong · « **Reply #30 on:** April 16, 2007, 10:03:19 pm »

Quote from: RayB on April 16, 2007, 09:45:24 pm

So... when are they going to link this to video games? ....

Done.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/virginia-tech/breaking-idiot-blames-va-shooting-on-games-252702.php

Thanks Sez.

Luigi · « **Reply #31 on:** April 17, 2007, 03:49:04 am »

Quote from: MikeQ on April 16, 2007, 03:07:54 pm

Our news was reporting that he lined people up against a wall and executed them.

This is why more people should take advantage of concealed weapons permitts and carry a gun all the time.

NO! This is why far less people should be allowed to OWN a gun !!

Why do you think that everybody should have a gun? Is this Wild West or what?
Think of aggressive people always having a gun with them. I don't want to know how many innocent people would be shot just because he thought that there would be a threat.

jbox · « **Reply #32 on:** April 17, 2007, 04:16:22 am »

This is a terrible act that seems to be very close to some here on the boards, so can we please keep the Pro/Con gun bickering for a separate P&R thread in recognition of this tragedy? Moral profiteering from the tragedy of others in their own thread is just tacky.

Here's hoping that the people affected by this sickening event get all the help and support they can. Most of us can never really know how we will react to this kind of extreme situation, and here's hoping to whatever various deities this crowd supports we'll never have to.

Luigi · « **Reply #33 on:** April 17, 2007, 04:41:47 am »

Quote from: jbox on April 17, 2007, 04:16:22 am

This is a terrible act that seems to be very close to some here on the boards, so can we please keep the Pro/Con gun bickering for a separate P&R thread in recognition of this tragedy? Moral profiteering from the tragedy of others in their own thread is just tacky.

Here's hoping that the people affected by this sickening event get all the help and support they can. Most of us can never really know how we will react to this kind of extreme situation, and here's hoping to whatever various deities this crowd supports we'll never have to.

You are absolutely right

My thoughts go to the victims and their families and friends.

"Moral profiteering" was not my goal but I think it's incommensurately to say that more people should carry weapons all the day when such a terrible thing has just happend .....

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #34 on:** April 17, 2007, 08:27:15 am »

Yeah... please keep the pro/con gun views somewhere else. Things are bad enough without all of that.

Bones · « **Reply #35 on:** April 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am »

Quote from: HarumaN on April 17, 2007, 08:27:15 am

Yeah... please keep the pro/con gun views somewhere else. Things are bad enough without all of that.

Actually, I disagree.

Tragedy such as this is often the necessary catalyst provoking debate/change which might help prevent such a horrific thing from reoccurring in the future.

Without learning from what has happened ultimately results in these poor people dying without purpose. (Purpose is probably the wrong choice of word but I think my point is clear.)

MikeQ · « **Reply #36 on:** April 17, 2007, 10:04:28 am »

I agree and would actually like to discuss the belief that guns are the cause of this type of violence. It should probably be done in P&R though.

atari2600chick · « **Reply #37 on:** April 17, 2007, 10:06:20 am »

I am glad to hear that you and your buddies are ok HarumaN (well i spose as 'OK' as one could be given what has just happened at your college).

I turned on the tv here this about 7am this morning (Sydney channel 7) and was greeted by news reports of the shooting. My first thoughts were how awful and to offer up a thought/ prayer for those affected.

MikeQ · « **Reply #38 on:** April 17, 2007, 10:14:09 am »

Quote from: MikeQ on April 17, 2007, 10:04:28 am

I agree and would actually like to discuss the belief that guns are the cause of this type of violence. It should probably be done in P&R though.

It already is in discussion:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=64157.0

horseboy · « **Reply #39 on:** April 17, 2007, 10:39:08 am »

My wife just called me and told me about some stuff she saw on the tube. She saw an interview with the ER doctor that treated the survivors... he said the he didn't treat a single victim with less than 3 gunshot wounds. That isn't to say that he treated all the survivors, bet the several that he did treat had 3 gunshot wounds a piece.

She also saw an interview with a student that was in a classroom in the building. He said they barracaded the door when they started hearing the shots. The gunman tried to get in but could only get the door to open a few inches, so he stuck his arm in and started randomly firing. They slammed the door shut again, and then he just started unloading into the door. He stopped for a second and they heard a clip hit the ground and another inserted into the gun. I am not sure if he shot at them anymore or not, but they heard him walk down the hall and start shooting elsewhere. Thankfully nobody was killed in that room.

I guess it is safe to say that this guy reloaded multiple times.


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