OE Street Fighter II controls

[MaximRecoil]

What controls (joysticks and buttons) came standard on a dedicated Street Fighter II: The World Warrior and/or Champion Edition machine, and/or conversion kit? I've heard variously that they came with Happ Super, Competition, and Ultimate joysticks. Does anyone know for sure?

In addition to the make/models of the joysticks and buttons, what color joysticks and buttons were used, and how were the colors arranged?

Also, the original CPO's for SFII:WW and CE didn't seem to have any labeling on them. For example, Mamemarquees offers their reproduction SFII:CE CPO in two versions, one that is blank:



And one that has additional labeling on it (which is how a CP on a complete dedicated SFII:CE looks):



The NOS CPO's are blank like the first picture, so where did the labeling/instructions come from on the dedicated machines? Were they extra stickers that were applied on top of the blank CPO?

[paigeoliver]

I have owned a few SF II machines and they all had Happ Supers on them. Almost everything Capcom shipped from Final Fight through the early SF games came with Happ Supers.

Not sure if the dedicated machines used extra stickers for that stuff, but all the conversions did. Also, as far as I know the dedicated versions of most Capcom games of that era consisted of the kit installed on a new Dynamo cabinet.

[D_Zoot]

Max,

I've got a SF II populated control panel (cut corner dynamo style) on the shelf back at the shop,  I'll look at it for you this evening when I back.

It came off a cab that was badly vandalized, beyond repair.  They ripped the whole coin door/box off it and kicked in the entire front panel.

Anyway, I *think* the machine was dedicated, in the sense that SF II's were sold as a kit only and distrib's assembled them in new cab's, usually in Dynamo cab's.

I saved everything from the cab when I junked it,  interested in it?  Swing up to the shop some weekend.


D

[shardian]

Max,

I've got a SF II populated control panel (cut corner dynamo style) on the shelf back at the shop,  I'll look at it for you this evening when I back.

It came off a cab that was badly vandalized, beyond repair.  They ripped the whole coin door/box off it and kicked in the entire front panel.

Anyway, I *think* the machine was dedicated, in the sense that SF II's were sold as a kit only and distrib's assembled them in new cab's, usually in Dynamo cab's.

I saved everything from the cab when I junked it,  interested in it?  Swing up to the shop some weekend.


D

23" or wide style?
I have a 23" dynamo cab that could be in need of a cut-corner cp.

[MaximRecoil]

Well this has turned out well. D_Zoot is an operator that is local to me (45 minutes away), and I have done business with him before -- great guy. Operators that are willing to deal occasionally with the general public, and also happen to be local are not exactly a dime a dozen, so I consider myself lucky.

He is going to measure the panel, and if it is the width I need (23 5/8" for a standard 19" monitor Dynamo "cut corner" cabinet), then I'm all set. I put the SFII:WW board in the cabinet this morning and it works 100%. The volume is a bit loud so I need to find out how to turn that down.

KLOV states that SFII:WW is stereo. I didn't think JAMMA supported stereo. How would that work?

[D_Zoot]

Max,

It is 23 5/8",  looks to be in very good shape.  Has plexi over it, so the overlay isn't worn on top.  No cracks or chunks in the lower part of the overlay.   Could stand to have the beveled (cut corner) ends repainted black and a little cleaning, should look super.

Looks like one of the sticks was swapped out at some point, they aren't exactly the same.  I'm sure we can come up with a matched set for it.

Found a marquee as well, it's  "Turbo, Hyper Fighting, Championship Edition"... 

Give me a shout if you come up to make sure I'm around the shop.

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[MaximRecoil]

Max,

It is 23 5/8",  looks to be in very good shape.  Has plexi over it, so the overlay isn't worn on top.  No cracks or chunks in the lower part of the overlay.   Could stand to have the beveled (cut corner) ends repainted black and a little cleaning, should look super.

Looks like one of the sticks was swapped out at some point, they aren't exactly the same.  I'm sure we can come up with a matched set for it.

Found a marquee as well, it's  "Turbo, Hyper Fighting, Championship Edition"... 

Give me a shout if you come up to make sure I'm around the shop.

D

Thanks. That is perfect. I thought the control panel would be the hardest part of this conversion, because I was either going to have to strip mine, repair the old holes, make new holes, find/apply an overlay -- or find one already done, which isn't all that easy. More often than not, when you find an SFII Dynamo panel, it is either the wrong width, or it looks like swiss cheese under the plexi and overlay.

I'll give you a call this weekend.

Thanks again.

[iamnaeth]

Hey guys, since everyone here seems to be an expert on SF I thought this would be a good place to ask.  I'm a huge SF fan and am currently working on a new cabinet.  I was curious about how far apart the two joysticks were? Also, how far, center to center were the buttons?  Thanks so much guys!

[MaximRecoil]

Hey guys, since everyone here seems to be an expert on SF I thought this would be a good place to ask.  I'm a huge SF fan and am currently working on a new cabinet.  I was curious about how far apart the two joysticks were? Also, how far, center to center were the buttons?  Thanks so much guys!

Original "Street Fighter II: The World Warrior" machines were usually in Dynamo HS-1 or HS-2 "cut-corner" cabinets. These had 19" monitors. Since all SFII:WW machines were conversion kits, there is no such thing as "dedicated" ones, the closest thing being when an operator or distributor would buy a new empty cabinet from Dynamo and an SFII kit from Capcom and make a new complete SFII machine that way.

So for SFII:WW, the measurements you asked for would depend on where the operator happened to drill the holes. Sometimes this was influenced by existing holes that were already in the panel (new empty cabinets or new replacement control panels didn't have that problem of course), such as in the case of this SFII:WW CP:



Here, the "thrifty" operator (or whomever) obviously reused holes from an Ikari Warriors or Victory Road control panel. 1&2 player start buttons, both joysticks and two of each player's buttons are in the default Ikari locations.  Of course, this resulted in a ridiculous layout. It is not too bad for player 1 (though the buttons are in an odd position relative to the joystick), but it might as well be unplayable for player 2, unless player 2 is a 10-year-old lefty.

The CP I got from D_Zoot has always been an SFII CP, and has the correct SFII layout. The joysticks are 13" apart center-to-center and the buttons are 1.5" apart center-to-center. The closest button to the joystick is 2.75" to the right of it, center-to-center.

Now keep in mind that this is for the 23 5/8" Dynamo CP which is found on the 19" monitor cabinets. The first true dedicated SFII machines were Champion Edition's in Dynamo HS-5 cabinets (25" monitor). These had wider control panels (25 3/4"). Here is a picture of one of these wider CP's from a dedicated SFII:CE machine:



On these wider cabinets, which were used for dedicated SFII:CE and SFII:HF machines, the measurements I stated for the narrower CP above are the same except for the distance between the joysticks, which are 13.5" apart, center-to-center.

[iamnaeth]

I don't know what else to say other than, you rock.  Thank you!

[Kremmit]

Back to the joystick topic, none of the sticks in those pics appear to be Supers.  I've had two SFII machines here, and both were fitted with Ultimates.  Being a conversion kit game, I imagine that operators often just installed the PCB and artwork into existing 2-joy cabs, with whatever was on there already.  Figuring out what actually shipped with the kits will be tough at this late date.

[MaximRecoil]

I don't know what else to say other than, you rock.  Thank you!

No problem.

Back to the joystick topic, none of the sticks in those pics appear to be Supers.  I've had two SFII machines here, and both were fitted with Ultimates.  Being a conversion kit game, I imagine that operators often just installed the PCB and artwork into existing 2-joy cabs, with whatever was on there already.  Figuring out what actually shipped with the kits will be tough at this late date.

The player 1 stick in the CP I got from Z_Zoot was a Super, while player 2 was an Ultimate. Like you said, there is no way to tell from that what was original. If anyone has an NOS kit, or remembers installing an NOS kit "back in the day", that would be about the only way to know for sure.

It is strange that with one of the most popular machines of all time, you still get conflicting reports of what came in the kit for joysticks.

[Howard_Casto]

None of the panels shown in this thread are original, they are champion/turbo/ect revisions.  The ORIGINAL SF had a smaller metal control panel, similar to one you'd see on a strider or 1942 machine.  The buttons were orignally three columns of white yellow and red instead of the familair red white and blue as it matched the dedicated cab better.  Other than that most of the info is spot on.

[MaximRecoil]

None of the panels shown in this thread are original, they are champion/turbo/ect revisions.

 

The first picture is an SFII:WW (not "champion/turbo/ect revisions") which was converted from an Ikari Warriors or Victory Road. The CP is 23 5/8" wide. The second picture is a dedicated SFII:CE. The CP is 25 3/4" wide. 

The ORIGINAL SF had a smaller metal control panel, similar to one you'd see on a strider or 1942 machine. 

When you say "ORIGINAL SF", I assume you mean SFII:WW from 1991, and not SF from 1987. In any event, there were no true dedicated SFII:WW machines -- they were all conversion kits. They usually ended up in a Dynamo HS-1 or HS-2 "cut corner" cabinet (19" monitor), the same type of cabinet which was first used for Ikari Warriors (1986). I'm sure you've seen SFII's in Strider or 1942 cabinets but that is only because some operator somewhere decided to convert one of those types of cabinets to SFII. There was no official cabinet for SFII because there was no dedicated machine available from Capcom.

The first SFII which was available as a dedicated machine was Champion Edition (Dynamo HS-5 25" monitor "cut-corner" cabinet). In fact, initially, CE was only available as a dedicated machine, and then they later offered CE as a conversion kit as well.

The buttons were orignally three columns of white yellow and red instead of the familair red white and blue as it matched the dedicated cab better.  Other than that most of the info is spot on.

That's interesting. So the kit contained white, yellow, and red buttons? I can see how that would match the SFII:WW artwork better than red, white and blue.

[Howard_Casto]

Your right there were no originals, but there were official ones.  The official kit converted previous capcom titles, which used the old dynamos with the smaller metal cps.  All the official flyer artwork you see used this cabinet and thus is the the cab you were "supposed" to convert. Ikari conversions became popular because obviously ikari panels offered more room, but if you'll notice the cp overlays don't match up (the sf2 logo, which is supposed to be on the front of the metal cp is halfway on the top in the ikari coversions). 

I did several hours of research when I made the 3darcade models, I do know what I'm talking about. 

[MaximRecoil]

Your right there were no originals, but there were official ones.  The official kit converted previous capcom titles, which used the old dynamos with the smaller metal cps.  All the official flyer artwork you see used this cabinet and thus is the the cab you were "supposed" to convert. Ikari conversions became popular because obviously ikari panels offered more room, but if you'll notice the cp overlays don't match up (the sf2 logo, which is supposed to be on the front of the metal cp is halfway on the top in the ikari coversions). 

I did several hours of research when I made the 3darcade models, I do know what I'm talking about. 

Do you have any of those flyers? I've looked but I can't find any SFII flyers with a picture of a cabinet on them. Mattroid from the KLOV forums has one of those Dynamo's with the smaller CP - http://www.arcadecrusade.com/gallery1/mattroid-streetfighter2/cabinet01



The button layout on that machine is wonky, but he did eventually fix it:



And you do make a good point about the CP art fitting that style of panel better than it does the "cut-corner" panel.

I'll always view the "cut-corner" Dynamo's as being more "correct" than the smaller flush panel Dynamo's though, due to them being more popular for SFII:WW in actual practice, and Capcom later giving them the "stamp of approval" so to speak when the dedicated CE came along with a "cut-corner" CP.

[Crax]

I don't know how exact you want to be, but you could purchase one of these off ebay if you really want to match the dynamo setup as this seems to be close.  These may have just been made by the company though and not actually from conversion kits.

eBay Link

[MaximRecoil]

I don't know how exact you want to be, but you could purchase one of these off ebay if you really want to match the dynamo setup as this seems to be close.  These may have just been made by the company though and not actually from conversion kits.

I've wondered about those myself, whether they are actual Dynamo CP's or if he/they fabricated them. He's been selling them for quite a while now. He says they are 23 7/8" wide, which is not a standard Dynamo width as far as I know, being 1/4" wider than the Dynamo-built CP for a 19" monitor LS-1 or LS-2 cabinet. I could see someone custom making them that wide to fit a 19" Dynamo cabinet though, because the standard 23 5/8" CP has about 1/8" of room to spare on either side when installed in their intended cabinets. A 23 7/8" wide CP should have a very tight fit...possibly too tight of a fit, depending on tolerance variances that exist from cabinet to cabinet.

The holes for the buttons and joysticks are also a lot closer to the forward edge of the CP than usual.

[Howard_Casto]

I'll always view the "cut-corner" Dynamo's as being more "correct" than the smaller flush panel Dynamo's though, due to them being more popular for SFII:WW in actual practice, and Capcom later giving them the "stamp of approval" so to speak when the dedicated CE came along with a "cut-corner" CP.

Actually this isn't true either.  Capcom, disgusted with bad-looking ikari conversons, finally  "gave up" and started releasing all of their cpos as a generic pattern with stickers to add on later.  There isn't a single "dedicated" sf control panel released after world warrior.  Everything from sf2t to msh is nothing but a repeating pattern with add-on directional stickers. 

[MaximRecoil]

I'll always view the "cut-corner" Dynamo's as being more "correct" than the smaller flush panel Dynamo's though, due to them being more popular for SFII:WW in actual practice, and Capcom later giving them the "stamp of approval" so to speak when the dedicated CE came along with a "cut-corner" CP.

Actually this isn't true either.  Capcom, disgusted with bad-looking ikari conversons, finally  "gave up" and started releasing all of their cpos as a generic pattern with stickers to add on later.  There isn't a single "dedicated" sf control panel released after world warrior.  Everything from sf2t to msh is nothing but a repeating pattern with add-on directional stickers. 

For CE, only the conversion kits had the add-on directional and button label stickers, the dedicated machines (Dynamo HS-5) had the directional and button labels integrated into the graphics. The second picture I posted earlier is from a dedicated CE in a Dynamo HS-5. Here is the label on the back of that particular machine:



Here is a higher resolution picture of the CPO for that machine (which is on the HS-5 cabinet's "cut-corner" CP, as pictured in lower resolution above), where you can see there are no seams/raised edges indicating add-on directional and button labels, because they are printed right on there integral with the repeating base pattern:



So this is obviously a dedicated SFII:CE CPO (as opposed to generic), given that "Street Fighter II Champion Edition" along with a game description is printed right on it, and was applied to the "cut-corner" CP's on dedicated SFII:CE machines.

I think it is safe to assume that Capcom "approved" of the Dynamo "cut-corner" CP, at least by the time CE came around.

[Hornpipe2]

I know this topic is getting old, but I'm really hoping to recreate the SF2: CE experience in a standalone controller.  The measurements given above are very helpful but incomplete.  There are a few measurements I need to finalize my design:
* Distance from left edge to center of left joystick (or something similar to help horizontally position the entire joystick/button layout)
* Distance from 'Fierce' P1 button to 1p start (preferably in X" up, Y" right format)
* Distance from P1 to P2 start
* Distance from P1 to top edge (or something similar to vertically position the entire layout)
* Overall height (depth?  Not thickness) of CP, top-to-bottom

Can anyone with a real dedicated SF2: CE panel make those measurements?

[Crowquill]

Not sure why more people don't make a reference to this as it was invaluable to me when planning my panel:

TEMPLATES page with the official 6-button template.

I think the buttons are better if they're a bit closer together, but it's definitely a good starting point. It's even better if you have Adobe Illustrator as you can directly edit it.

Pretty much all of the SF2 conversions I played had the buttons going red-white-blue. I was thinking dedicated CE was this way too, but the picture above is blue-white-red. The conversion kit manual doesn't state what order the buttons should go in. Later on, CPS-2 games' manuals stated they shoud be red-green-blue.

[Hornpipe2]

I saw the template.  Actually I just now realized it's meant to be used as a single piece and not just for the stickers (!)  I'd like to make use of it when I do my overlay.

However, what game is the template for?  The position of the start button isn't the same as the CE panel pictured above.  And I'm pretty certain the joystick is less than 2.75" from the buttons on that template (could be wrong, I'm just holding a ruler up to my monitor : ) ) - which doesn't mesh with MaximRecoil's statement above ("The closest button to the joystick is 2.75" to the right of it, center-to-center")

I'm still curious about the absolute position of these holes on a real panel.

[Crowquill]

From the center of the joystick hole to the center of the first button is 4". The space between the button holes is almost exactly 2.5". I'm still not sure exactly which game the template is from, but besides the font it matches the template and artwork that are on the back cover of my X-Men vs. Street Fighter manual. I think most of the games from Alpha 2 on used some variation of this artwork.

At some point i need to find and vectorize the 2-tone triangle CP stickers that I bought off of eBay a few years back. They're the ones in this pic of the DarkStalkers kit.

[MrMojoZ]

KLOV states that SFII:WW is stereo. I didn't think JAMMA supported stereo. How would that work?

I know that Capcom had external setups for stereo that worked with CPS2 boards and possibly CPS1 boards well as part of the Q-sound kit. Not sure if that applies here or not though.

Q-sound kit that my cat owns: