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Bought a DSLR
« on: March 07, 2007, 11:07:59 am »
I had been contemplating buying a digital SLR for some time and finally pulled the trigger this week.  With a baby due to arrive in a couple of weeks I figured my picture taking will multiply exponentially!   :)

I've always owned Minolta SLR's and have been happy with their cameras so I chose Sony's 10.2 MP A100K.  It was a no-brainer for me as all of the lenses I own will fit the Sony body.

I also picked up a 2 gig CF card.  I hope it will be large enough as I have no idea how big a max res image file is.

Anyone have experience with the Sony DSLR's?

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2007, 11:18:23 am »

Not those specifically but I used to work for Kodak in their consumer level digital imaging division...

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2007, 11:19:44 am »
That is some serious picture power. I have a Sony p200, and have been taking all the "professional" style shots myself with it. The quality is excellent, but I am sure yours will be even better. IMO, if you are going to take your own formal pictures lighting is much more important than the camera with the current  quality of digital cameras.

To answer your question, I have no experience with DSLR's...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. ;D

Congrats on the baby, it is really fun taking pictures of them.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2007, 11:40:30 am »

Is it one or three CCDs?  That's more immediately important than lighting.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2007, 04:14:08 pm »

Is it one or three CCDs?  That's more immediately important than lighting.

One.  This is an "entry level" camera.  Got a pretty good deal on it.  $625 with a 18-70mm lens.

I'm mostly an outdoor photographer.  Family stuff.  Not really into the pose and say "chees" thing but I think experimenting with some studio type portrait shots might be fun.  Especially with interesting lighting.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2007, 04:19:19 pm »
In that range, one good CCD is far better than three lower end CCDs.  The tradeoff is that you're getting better light capture and sacrificing a bit of color purity.  The good CCD will be more efficient in low light situations because of quality, whereas the three CCDs wouldn't be as good in low light but you'd have one each for R, G, and B so colors would be sharper.

Honestly, the color difference is barely perceptible if you're not using it to get large print material.

Since you're getting it just before a new baby, you've made the right choice, as most kid/baby events happen indoors in low light.  Low light performance is very important in getting top quality shots indoors without extra light management effort.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2007, 05:42:49 pm »
Thanks for the info, Chad.  :cheers:

It should be here on Friday.  Can't wait!

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2007, 07:33:39 pm »

No problem.  The same goes for digital video cameras, BTW.  The cameras with three quality CCDs are way expensive so go for the best single CCD unless you really want to drop some cash.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2007, 12:45:21 am »
Is it even using a CCD?  Canon DSLR cameras (at least their entry level ones) use a CMOS sensor.
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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2007, 12:49:17 am »
Yep, uses a single CCD...

nice camera.

A good friend of mine just picked up a Canon EOS-1D digital SLR.......

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2007, 01:30:15 am »
I would eventually love to have a Canon DSLR.  I have a nice Canon 35mm SLR so I'm locked into the Canon brand forever for lens compatibility.  I've got a nice point-and-shoot digital, but I still use the SLR, in spite of the inconveniences of film, because the pictures are just so incredibly nice.  There's SOOOO much more to good pictures than megapixels.  I can't wait until I can get a DSLR and get the best of both worlds.
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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2007, 08:42:16 am »
Is it even using a CCD?  Canon DSLR cameras (at least their entry level ones) use a CMOS sensor.

CCDs would be constructed using primarily CMOS technology.  CMOS is the term for a class of circuit, not a specific device type.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2007, 08:55:26 am »
I would eventually love to have a Canon DSLR.  I have a nice Canon 35mm SLR so I'm locked into the Canon brand forever for lens compatibility.  I've got a nice point-and-shoot digital, but I still use the SLR, in spite of the inconveniences of film, because the pictures are just so incredibly nice.  There's SOOOO much more to good pictures than megapixels.  I can't wait until I can get a DSLR and get the best of both worlds.

This is exactly the reason I went with the Sony.  Backwards compatibility.  If I didn't already have a bunch of Minolta gear I might have chosen a Canon or Nikon as they're looked upon very favorably.  The Sony has gotten pretty good reviews though, so I have no reservations about my decision.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2007, 10:14:52 am »
Probably the most intriguing feature of the new Sony camera is the internal Image stabalizer. We have the Canon Rebel 8.2mp. My wife is liking the idea of this new sony camera. Please let us know how it works out when you get ahold of it.

Would our Canon lenses work on this camera?
 
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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2007, 10:22:35 am »

What is the point of an image stabilizer on a still camera?  If the pictures come out blurry your shutter speed is too slow.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2007, 10:48:45 am »

What is the point of an image stabilizer on a still camera?  If the pictures come out blurry your shutter speed is too slow.

I assumed this was implemented to address a problem inherent with digital cameras.  ???

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2007, 11:01:44 am »

The issue has usually been that the CCDs weren't efficient enough for fast shutter speeds.  Slow shutter speeds would lead to blurry images.  That's not nearly as much of an issue, if it even still is an issue, with good consumer level cameras and I'd be really surprised if it was an issue with the DSLRs.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2007, 11:59:52 am »

What is the point of an image stabilizer on a still camera?  If the pictures come out blurry your shutter speed is too slow.

Well every little bit helps when you are shooting for perfection. My wife used to take lots of action shots and hated using a tripod.


What is the point of an image stabilizer on a still camera?  If the pictures come out blurry your shutter speed is too slow.

I assumed this was implemented to address a problem inherent with digital cameras.  ???

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2007, 12:04:01 pm »
Well every little bit helps when you are shooting for perfection. My wife used to take lots of action shots and hated using a tripod.


I suppose.  As someone who has actually worked on those "features" I heartily recommend using hardware that doesn't need them.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2007, 12:35:34 pm »
I suppose.  As someone who has actually worked on those "features" I heartily recommend using hardware that doesn't need them.

I can't cite any specific articles but from what I have read, I came away with the impression that this was something that other manufacturers would be adding to their DSLR's.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2007, 06:08:57 pm »
Got the camera today but I'm still waiting on the CF card from another vendor.  :angry:

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2007, 06:22:26 pm »
I suppose.  As someone who has actually worked on those "features" I heartily recommend using hardware that doesn't need them.

I can't cite any specific articles but from what I have read, I came away with the impression that this was something that other manufacturers would be adding to their DSLR's.

Regardless of whether or not this IS is all they are cracking it up to be...rest assured that this camera is going to rock. Sony would not enter this market with a dud. They dominate the pro and prosumer video camera market...something tells me this thing is good. Send it on over I have a couple of cards to put in it and a few lenses to try.
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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2007, 06:28:04 pm »

Domination in that market is more about product placement and price range than anything else... trust me, the Canon and the Olympus, for only a small percentage more, will outperform the Sony (and the Kodak even more) in a major way every time.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2007, 08:39:00 am »
I suppose.  As someone who has actually worked on those "features" I heartily recommend using hardware that doesn't need them.

I can't cite any specific articles but from what I have read, I came away with the impression that this was something that other manufacturers would be adding to their DSLR's.

Regardless of whether or not this IS is all they are cracking it up to be...rest assured that this camera is going to rock. Sony would not enter this market with a dud. They dominate the pro and prosumer video camera market...something tells me this thing is good. Send it on over I have a couple of cards to put in it and a few lenses to try.

Sony is losing ground quickly in quality, and are also pricing themselves out of the market. They are 1 or 2 bad products away from disaster IMO. For the most part their products are still high quality though.
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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2007, 07:45:04 am »
Chad, you really have no idea what you are talking about. 3 CCD's is for video camera's, CMOS and CCD is really something different and the need for IS is plainly obvious. Canon and Nikon have this built in to their lenses btw (which is actually slightly better, but far more expensive).

The Sony A100 uses basically the same sensor as the Nikon 10MP cameras. The picture quality basically only depends on the lens used and with the same lens the picture qualiity of these cameras is identical. Of course the build quality of the DX2 is in a different league, but you can obtian the same picture quality with the A100.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2007, 09:18:30 am »


As far back as 3-4 years ago Kodak was working on designs for 3 CCD still cameras.  If they never did get produced, that is certainly possible, but I know the designs were underway because I saw the spec sheets being kicked around.

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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2007, 09:43:35 pm »
Actually, with regards to the "being stuck because of the lenses". I found that after buying a DSLR (Konica Minolta Dynax 7D coming from the analog Dynax 7) most of my lenses just proved either too crappy or too long to use (due to the 1.5 crop factor) anyway. So I ended up buying new lenses too.

Sometimes I still wish I had just switched to Nikon or Canon back then, but I think Sony taking over from Konica Minolta should be a good thing. Sony really is the top player in the digital camera market. I doubt there is any manufacturer that doesn't use Sony sensors in (some of) their cameras. Even Canon uses Sony for several cameras.

I wonder if that 18-70 lens does the camera justice. With DSLR it only makes sense to invest in good lenses. I guess the difference is not that huge, but check the Sony Alpha DSLR-A100 vs. Sony DSC-R1 comparison. The DSC-R1 basically is a DSLR with a cheap (reasonably priced) fixed lens and the A100 is tested with a prime lens.

With a good lens even at the pixel level the image appears detailed where with a bad lens it starts to blur. For a holiday snap printed at 5"x7" it doesn't matter, but then for a holiday snapshot you don't need to use a DSLR either.

I mostly use a 85mm f/1.4 G lens and a 24-105 f3.5-4-5 lens. The difference between these is quite visible (both in picture quality and price though with the 85mm costing almost 3 times as much). I end up sharpening all pictures I take with the 24-105 to compensate for the loss in sharpness with that lens and usually also have to fix the loss in contrast. Unfortunately the 85mm is too long to be really useful for portrait photography anymore (with the 1.5 crop factor). It really is an amazing lens though.

Personally I'm thinking about buying a shorter prime lens (35 or 50mm) or the new Zeiss 16-80 zoom lens that should finally be available. Doing mostly portraits, I love the large aperture and sharpness of the primes, but changing lenses a lot can be really cumbersome and it often results in dust inside the body.

If you pick out a lens, do test the lens in the shop and make sure you read up on it. I once bought a Sigma 18-50 on-line and it just did not work properly (random focus problems). Apparently many people suffered the same problem. Luckily I could return the lens.
 
The IS function really makes a difference in several situations. In low light when you don't want to use flash it means you have several stops more freedom. Especially with a kit lens you tend to get too much lens blur if you use an f/stop number much smaller than something like F8. Opening it wider will make the pictures blurry more and more. This means you might run out of light quite quickly indoors.

My main love for IS is action photography though. When you want  the subject sharp and the background blurred (panning). My first attempt with IS was at the Monza 2005 F1 event. Guess it's not a great shot, but it shows the car moving quite fast with the details on the car still visible (although this picture is scaled down for web use) The IS suppresses the vertical shake and it makes sure the blur is only horizontal.

BTW if you can, you really should try using RAW. It just gives you much more room during postprocessing. The RAW files capture the full 12 bit detail of the sensor where the JPEG files only keeps 8 bits per color. It's like throwing away a third of the info that comes from your sensor. It's much better to correct white balance and slight over- or under exposures with RAW files. It's a lot more work though. You basically throw overboard all the in camera processing and you need to do that afterwards again. I actually use a RAW+JPEG setting to get both (although I don't think I ever used the JPEG files again).
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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2007, 11:57:22 pm »
Chad, you really have no idea what you are talking about. 3 CCD's is for video camera's, CMOS and CCD is really something different and the need for IS is plainly obvious. Canon and Nikon have this built in to their lenses btw (which is actually slightly better, but far more expensive).

The Sony A100 uses basically the same sensor as the Nikon 10MP cameras. The picture quality basically only depends on the lens used and with the same lens the picture qualiity of these cameras is identical. Of course the build quality of the DX2 is in a different league, but you can obtian the same picture quality with the A100.



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Re: Bought a DSLR
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2007, 06:50:17 am »
I bought one of the Alpha's on a whim a while back, despite being a Nikon guy.  Like you, I got a real good deal on it, so I figured I'd try it out.

I ended up bringing it back for a couple different reasons.  For one, every lens I tried on it was very slow to focus, and hunted way too long for lock.  Granted, I didn't have any hi-end glass to try on it, but the lenses I did try, I expected more from.

Also, the shutter sound was soo loud, it was very distracting.  I know that sounds weird, but for me, it became an issue.  I'm not sure if it was a by-product of the auto sensor dust shaker-offer feature, but it was way louder than any other DSLR I've used.

I ended up sticking with Nikon (which I knew I was going to do, anyhow).  But I hope you end up enjoying yours.  Having the right lenses is the key, anyhow. 

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