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1" Plywood Solution?
« on: March 04, 2007, 09:53:53 pm »
I need some 1" plywood to use for the top of my Pac Man cocktail I'm constructing.  I can't seem to find anyone in my area who carries it.  Would anyone here possibly know of any chain stores that can order it at a relatively reasonable price?

As for a plan B, I work for a major cabinet manufacturer, incidentally where I got all my free scrap plywood to get this project started (it's unreal how much wood we throw out every day.)  Problem is, we don't use any 1" material at all in the shop.  No MDF, particle board, plywood, nothing.  I was wondering if I would get good results by gluing/bradding/clamping two pieces of 1/2" plywood together.  I worry about preventing warping and distributing the weight evenly all across the board, which seems like quite a job, not to mention the possibility of using too much glue and having uneven sections of depth.  Has anyone done this and gotten a usable piece of wood out of it?  If so, got any pointers?  Luckily, I guess I can always totally screw this up and always get new wood the next day at work, but if I can avoid messing up, I will!  ;D
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2007, 10:10:04 pm »
I've done it three ways.
Actual 1 inch plywood.
3/4" plywood glued to 1/4" hardboard.
1/2" mdf glued to 1/2" mdf.

glue = tightbond II

All three methods worked great.  I will probably do the 3/4" plywood glued to 1/4" hardboard on my next one just because I don't want to bother with the mdf dust again, and the hardboard gives a nice smooth top just like the mdf.  Plus I have moved and don't know where to get 1" ply anymore.

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2007, 06:23:03 am »
Sounds good.  I think I'll try the 3/4" ply and 1/4" hardboard.  Any idea on where to get 1/4" hardboard?  I couldn't find anything locally with Lowe's or Home Depot under "masonite" or "hardboard," although I know it's available around here.
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2007, 09:00:36 am »
Lowes and Home Depot both carry it in my area.  I would be really surprised if they didn't carry it everywhere.  It is common stuff.  It may be called something else like High Density something Board.  Think PegBoard without the holes.

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2007, 09:03:02 am »
I'd go for gluing 2 pieces of 1/2" plywood together. It's the lightest, strongest combination. Glue as stated. The titebond family of glues are the best glues out there IMHO.
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2007, 01:04:12 pm »
You can get 1/4" luan at Lowes and HD. It is a plywood that has a smooth surface. Pretty cheap too.

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2007, 01:37:14 pm »
I'd go for gluing 2 pieces of 1/2" plywood together. It's the lightest, strongest combination. Glue as stated. The titebond family of glues are the best glues out there IMHO.

The only thing I'd worry about with the glue-up is getting a good bond in the middle of the sheets. If you're just gluing enough to make the top, I'd suggest putting something heavy on top of the sheets until the glue sets. You could use a couple of heavy tool boxes, sit on it, or whatever works. Of course, the traditional way would be to use clamps and cauls...

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2007, 01:40:51 pm »
Yeah I'd suggest cauls that slightly cup out in the middle. This way pressure on the outside where the clamps go will put even pressure on the insides. It's how I'm doing my router table.

3/4" screws are an alternative also. Depends on the application.



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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2007, 01:56:05 pm »

The only thing I'd worry about with the glue-up is getting a good bond in the middle of the sheets. If you're just gluing enough to make the top, I'd suggest putting something heavy on top of the sheets until the glue sets. You could use a couple of heavy tool boxes, sit on it, or whatever works. Of course, the traditional way would be to use clamps and cauls...

Most of the center is cut out for the monitor anyway...  I do the glue up after I've cut one of the pieces to shape.  Then you only have to glue up that shape, and simply use a flush cut router bit to cut the other half once its dry.

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2007, 01:58:11 pm »
^ Good method. Forgot a cocktail cabinet has a big monitor hole in it...




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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2007, 07:46:07 pm »
Thanks for all the ideas!  I'm thinking I'll grab some 1/2"plywood panels from work tomorrow and glue them together.  Please excuse my ignorance, but what is a caul?  :)  I will most likely clamp them down and set some toolboxes on the panels to keep the bond as tight and even as possible, and maybe use brads in the four corners to keep it from shifting at all.

Another concern I have is that all the panels I have access to have a thin natural birch veneer on both sides, and it's pretty rare to find any with unfinished surfaces.  Should I sand down the surfaces that will be bonded, or do you think the glue should hold to the veneer sufficiently?  I'm guessing that sanding would be the best, to keep the thickness as close to true 1/2" as possible (i think the veneer is only about 1/64" thick, but still.) 

Again, the input is much appreciated!!  What a great forum.
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2007, 07:52:21 pm »
There's no need to sand. Just glue em up. A caul is simple a scrap of wood placed between the workpiece and the clamps to more evenly distribute clamping pressure. The way mentioned of cutting the monitor hole out of one of the pieces before clamping and gluing is an excellent idea. You'll only need to clamp the edges in that case.

Another viable option is using contact cement. You only get one chance to align your parts, but the bond is instand (no drying time) and you can get right back to work after bonding. It's plenty strong in your application.



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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2007, 08:06:03 pm »
Another viable option is using contact cement. You only get one chance to align your parts, but the bond is instand (no drying time) and you can get right back to work after bonding. It's plenty strong in your application.

Since hes using 2 x 1/2" pieces, the glue will be right where he is cutting the t-molding slot.  I'm wondering if the contact cement might pose some sort of "gummy" problem for the router bit...I don't have a lot of experience with it, just something that popped into mind when I was deciding what to use for my 2 x 1/2" glue up.

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2007, 08:40:39 pm »
Once it's fully cured it shouldn't be an issue. For contact cement to set properly though, it needs a lot of pressure. Not constant, but consistant pressure for a few seconds. A j-roller is usually what's used for this (it's what I use) and works fine. Something not widely known about contact cement is that the bond becomes stronger with time. As long as the slot cutter used is the proper size for the t-molding being used (not all t-molding uses a 1/16" cutter) the contact cement shouldn't pose a problem.




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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2007, 05:55:48 am »
I'd like to try contact cement, but I have a feeling I won't be able to line everything up in time before it sets.  I'm clumsy like that.  I'm going to grab the wood today and use some Tightbond.  Definitely beats going out and paying for 1"!
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2007, 08:09:21 am »
With contact cement you could always do it the way it's done with plastic laminate and cut one piece oversize so it overhangs the other by about 1/2" on alll sides and then use a flush trim bit with your router to trim the oversized piece to size. I Haven't done it with plywood or mdf yet but it works well enough with plastic laminate.

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2007, 08:01:35 pm »
Well...  turns out I was wrong about the thickness of the regular material we use for cabinet floors and end panels.  I found this out after I painstakenly dug a buried 84-inch panel out of the dumpster.  We use 3/8" panels, not 1/2", apparently.  So, after throwing it back in, I got a "damaged" 3/4" plywood base cabinet shelf from the staging cart.  ;)  After work, I went to the Home Depot and picked up a 2' x 4' Luan panel and some Tightbond II.  I thought about getting some contact cement, and if that makes for a better bond, maybe I'll make another trip out there in the morning. 

So now, I have to rethink my next step.  I'm now working with a 3/4" and a 1/4".  I've never used a router before (I'll be borrowing one,) so I wonder if I can still make my cutouts on the 1/4" piece and flush trim the 3/4" (or vice-versa,) or should I do it all in one fell swoop?  I will be making circular cuts for the edges, and I'm a bit unsure on the best way to do these cuts.  For the control panels, I used a jigsaw to get the rough shape and then sanded it down.  It was a pain on 3/4" plywood, as the cuts into the wood were crooked, and I can only imagine how much of a hassle it will be to even out the cuts on 1".  Any thoughts?
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2007, 08:44:23 pm »
I thought about getting some contact cement, and if that makes for a better bond, maybe I'll make another trip out there in the morning. 

If clamped properly, Titebond II will create a bond that's stronger than the wood itself. Contact cement isn't nearly as strong, though it's probably strong enough.

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So now, I have to rethink my next step.  I'm now working with a 3/4" and a 1/4".  I've never used a router before (I'll be borrowing one,) so I wonder if I can still make my cutouts on the 1/4" piece and flush trim the 3/4" (or vice-versa,) or should I do it all in one fell swoop?  I will be making circular cuts for the edges, and I'm a bit unsure on the best way to do these cuts.  For the control panels, I used a jigsaw to get the rough shape and then sanded it down.  It was a pain on 3/4" plywood, as the cuts into the wood were crooked, and I can only imagine how much of a hassle it will be to even out the cuts on 1".  Any thoughts?

I think you'll find it easier to trim the 1/4" board to match the 3/4" board than vice versa. I'd make the cuts in the 3/4" board using a jigsaw. Use a straight edge to make straight-line cuts. For curved cuts, just go slow and try not to fight the saw. Practice making some curved cuts in scrap wood until you get the hang of it. Also, make sure you have the right blade for the jigsaw and don't be afraid to change blades often if it seems like they're getting dull.


the trick is to work with the saw rather than fighting it. One of the best hints I read about jigsawing was to steer the saw from the back rather than the front.

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2007, 08:46:46 pm »
If you really want precision. make a template of the top (and any other parts you want) out of 1/2" MDF. It shapes and sands wayyyyy easier than plywood. Spend a good amount of time getting your templates just right and you'll save that much time shaping your work pieces. In fact, even the 3/8" plywood may not be all that bad to shape. MDF is definitely the easiest though. Once your template is just right, do the 3/4" piece of plywood first.. Lay your template on the workpiece and trace it onto the plywood. Remove the template and use a jigsaw to cut away most of the waste, cutting about 1/8" away from the line. Lay the template back down and clamp it down this time (or use double sided tape; if you choose this method be careful; it's very easy to use too much tape and then you'll have a fun time getting the workpiece and template apart). Now use your router and a pattern bit (bearing on top) if your template is on top of the plywood or a flush trim bit (bearing on the bottom) if your template is on the bottom to trim away the waste. I prefer pattern bits. Since the bearing is on top there's less of a chance the bit will deflect, making the final cut more accurate. Now with the 3/4" piece of plywood cut to final shape, glue the uncut piece of 1/4" plywood on as normal. Wait for the glue to dry, use the jigsaw to cut close to the 3/4" piece (which has now become the template) and repeat the steps above with the pattern bit. Your top is complete.  8) And it's accurately shaped thanks to your template, which you can save for future cabinets (you know there will be future cabinets, right?). You can do the same to your other pieces. The key is taking the time to make sure your templates are accurate and shaped exactly how you want them.

I know this seems like a lot of steps, but the end result will satisfy you and make it all that much more worth it. I'm a heavy advocate of templates and jigs and fixtures. I often spend more time making jigs, fixtures and templates than I do making projects. The end result is worth it IMHO.

You can also make a template for your corners. Here's how I would do it: Use MDF again; it's easiness of shaping and sanding is what makes it such a great material. You only need one corner with the MDF, so again, take the time to make sure it's *exactly* how you want it. Use whatever method you want to arrive at the desired radius (be it paint can, coffee cup, bottle lid, compass, it doesn't matter so long as it's the desired radius ;)). Cut close to the line with your trusty jigsaw and then sand it to final shape. A rasp works well when shaping MDF btw. Once you're happy with the shape of the curve, take it over to the workpiece. Lay it down on the workpiece and secure it (in this case I'd go with clamps because you have to move it 4 times). Make sure the edges are even and line up. You're only cutting the curve here, so you don't need to move the router much. You use the same router bit you used when doing the top. Repeat with the other 3 corners. Save the template.

Hope this helps some. If you have any questions about the procedure post away.

I definitely think contact cement is strong enough. It's pretty much a matter of preference now though. If you use the TBII, clamp it good and tight. The joint will never fail if clamped correctly.



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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2007, 10:54:27 pm »
Very cool.  I'm off work the rest of the week, so time is one thing I definitely have no shortage of right now.  I'll pick up some MDF in the morning and get some templates made.  I actually made a paper template for the control panels, so I think I'm going to trace it down onto some MDF and make everything easier for next time.  Oh, and you're right: There WILL be more cabinets.  :)  This is the second cab project I've gotten involved with.  Last one was an Asteroids-to-MAME conversion which is my baby.  I should probably submit it to the site, come to think of it. 

Your instructions sound pretty clear.  I really appreciate the help from everyone.  If there are any problems, I'll be sure to keep on a-pesterin'  :)  When I get the top finished, I'll post a pic here.  It's the only structural missing link to my cabinet, so hopefully by the end of my vacation, I'll have another arcade toy to annoy my girlfriend with!
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2007, 12:06:58 am »
Well, I finally got to build my cocktail top.  I'm very happy with it, and I appreciate all the information everyone passed my way.  I ended up gluing a piece of 1/4" Lauan to a 3/4" piece of plywood to achieve the 1" thickness.  Then, I picked up a Porter-Cable flush trim bit (couldn't find a pattern bit) and made my template out of 1/4" hardboard.  I had one mishap when the template slid out of place and my router cut into the panel, but luckily I had some wood epoxy handy and filled it in as soon as I cut the rest of the corners. 

After the epoxy dried, I realigned my template and routed the section again.  A few quick zips with my T-molding cutter and I was done with the round cuts.  All that's left now is to make the monitor cutout, which should be no problem, with some drill holes and my trusty sawboard.    8)


There are a couple of slightly imperfect routes here and there, but the T-molding will make short work of that, and I'm pretty proud of myself for not having used a router prior to a few days ago!

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2007, 12:09:55 am »
My mistake fixed by the magical sorcery known as wood epoxy.
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2007, 12:10:11 am »
Great job! :cheers:
Now it's started though and you'll find yourself making templates for everything... :P

Can't wait to see some more progress on it. :cheers:

Nice fix. Always remember to use a good quality double sided carpet tape or good clamping pressure to hold your templates down. It'll eliminate moving templates.



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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2007, 12:30:40 am »
Yeah, I hear you.  I've gotten the bug.  I've already made a nice template for my control panel sides, and I'm sure there will be plenty more to come.  I think I'll probably make one for the underside part of the bottom supports and rebuild the whole assembly out of some solid finished maple I have sitting here collecting dust.  Not to say the supports I have don't do the job, but I made the cuts before I owned a router and I just don't like how shoddy the rounded cutouts are, even though I'll most likely be the only one who will ever see them. 

Yeah, I'm going to pick up some carpet tape this week for future template use.  The tape I used just didn't hold as well as I'd liked (obviously.)  The clamp method is good if there's enough space, but I found it to be pretty awkward, and I couldn't find a good way to keep pressure on the center of the cutout while I was routing. 

Thanks for the kind words, and I'll definitely post more pics as the project comes along. 

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2007, 12:46:41 am »
Another note on the addictiveness of templates...  I'm already planning to improve on that corner template design and make one that does two corners to save time on the next cabinet I build. 
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2007, 01:01:40 am »
Here's  some good carpet tape. I use it all the time and never have my templates shift out of alignment. In fact, be careful how much you use as it's very easy to overdo it and then have to fight with the template to remove it. :banghead: Small pieces are favorable over big pieces and if you need to, you can cinch a clamp down on it for a second or so to set it up. They also sell another kind of carpet tape which I would avoid. I have some of this too and it's pretty much double sided duct tape. It's incredibly difficult to remove from workpieces and templates. You'll likely damage one or both in the process.

I also find clamps awkward to use when routing so I favor carpet tape. Holds great and I've never had a template slip since I've been using it.

Indeed, routers can do anything. My favorite tool in the shop and probably the most used on any project I build. :cheers:

Now my advice on templates:
The key is to take your time. If you take the time to shape your templates so they're perfect (or as close to perfect as you can get) your workpieces will show the fruits of your hard work. Here's how I do my templates. I first decide on what shape is needed and then  draw it out on the template blank. After that I cut the template close to the line with a jigsaw or bandsaw. Then I sand the template so it's shaped exactly how I want it. Once the template is perfect I then proceed with cutting a test piece to point out any errors. If the test piece comes out good then it's time to rout the workpiece(s). The general rule of thumb is that the more time you spend on your templates the less time you spend on your workpieces and the nicer they come out.

For template materials I favor baltic birch plywood as it's flat and stable and will last a very long time. I used to use MDF but the edges compress and become gouged from the ball bearing on a flush trim or pattern bit. This is not an issue with baltic birch plywood. Here's a good source for small pieces. They have good quality plywood and shipping is fast as long as you choose UPS. Excellent prices. I usually make my templates out of 1/2" baltic birch. Very durable and long lasting.



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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2007, 01:27:02 am »
One more thing, the router bit you have, a porter cable, isn't very good overall. Here's the flush trim bit I use. Shipping is free and if you're a woodnet member (may as well go ahead and sign up for a membership) use the code woodnet10 for 10% off. An excellent flush trim bit for $17.86 shipped. You may have paid more than that for your porter cable. The bit I linked to is great for a couple of reasons. First, it's a whiteside, one of the best brands of routerbits in the business. The other reason it's so good is that it has a 3/4" diameter. The larger the diameter the smoother the cut. It's a good length (1 1/4") to handle most flush trimming tasks as well. I love it. I've been using mine for about 8 months and have had no issues with it and it still is very sharp.



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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2007, 05:22:28 pm »
I'll go ahead and get some of that carpet tape this week, then.  It's gotta be better than what I was using.  As for template material, I can get as much cabinet-grade birch plywood as I want for free out of the dumpsters at work.  I'm not sure if it's baltic birch or not, but it's extremely good quality, much better than anything I've ever seen at Lowe's or Home Depot.   In fact, I used scrap plywood from work to construct my whole cabinet.  I don't believe we have any 1/2" available in my department, but I think 3/8" should work fine for template material. 

Thanks for the info on the router bit, but I have a cheap Ryobi router that only allows for a 1/4" shank.  Are there any other 1/4" bits that would be alright?  Also, you mentioned that my bit isn't too great.  What should I look for in a router bit?  What would be the flaws of mine that I'd want to avoid next time I pick one up?

I have another question and I'll finish the post.   ;D  I made my top template out of 1/4" hardboard and it seemed to work fine.  Should I switch to plywood for durability's sake, or just reliability?  I suppose I could see a potential problem with the bearing sometimes not being able to make contact with the thin 1/4" surface and giving a bad cut.
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2007, 05:28:22 pm »
I suppose I could see a potential problem with the bearing sometimes not being able to make contact with the thin 1/4" surface and giving a bad cut.

I usually make my templates out of 1/4" hardboard because it is so easy to make them from this material.  It doesn't leave much room for the bearing though, so I make a "production" template out of plywood from the hardboard template.

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2007, 06:45:49 pm »

I usually make my templates out of 1/4" hardboard because it is so easy to make them from this material.  It doesn't leave much room for the bearing though, so I make a "production" template out of plywood from the hardboard template.

Good idea.  I think I'll grab some 3/8" panels from work tomorrow and go that route.
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2007, 07:53:37 pm »
3/8" plywood, especially cabinet grade will work fine for a template material. Plywood is definitely more durable than hardboard. I'd be a pig in mud with free cutoffs... ;)
You are a lucky man.

As for the router bit, the best way to gauge quality is by word of mouth. Names I hear very often when quality router bits are mentioned include Whitesides (my favorites because of the low prices), CMT (I can confirm that one too as I have a CMT rabbeting set and it's smooth as buttah), Freud, and Bosch. I would be happy with any of those but I just choose whitesides because they can be had so cheaply. What you want to look for when shopping for bits is carbide thickness and the quality of the edge grind on the carbide. The thicker the better and the ground carbide edge shouldn't be rough; it should be pretty smooth.

Here's an excellent flush trim bit in 1/4" shank. That's the one I'd use if I had only a 1/4" shank router. $12.17 after the discount (woodnet10, and you registered at woodnet, right? ;))

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2007, 11:24:41 pm »
Yes, for as little as I like my job, free plywood is a really great fringe benefit.   ;)

I registered with woodnet, looks like a good forum to pick up some tips.  Also ordered that bit you just recommended.  I have a feeling I'll get plenty of use out of it, especially with all the future project ideas that have been popping up in my head these past few days.  $12.17 is not a bad price at all, especially considering what I just gave Home Depot the other day for my other bit.  Eh, it's a learning experience. 
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2007, 11:44:45 pm »
Yeah. A long time ago I bought a porter cable 3/8" flush trim bit. $23 and it dulled after about 5 panels.  :timebomb:

Wait til you get your whiteside bit. Nite and day difference. If you don't mind me asking, what do you do at your job? Also can you take a pic of one of the scraps from work? I can tell you if it's baltic birch by looking at it. In fact there's an easy way to tell. If 3/8" has 7 plies it's likely baltic birch plywood.

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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2007, 11:04:42 pm »
I work for Kraftmaid Cabinetry in the assembly department.  I'm at the front of an assembly line where I build the empty cabinet boxes.  After I and the other builder glue/staple/pound it all together, it goes down the line where the doors, tracks, and drawers are installed.  It's kind of interesting how it works, and the job was fun and challenging a few years ago, but it's factory work and it tends to be very monotonous most of the time.  The free scrap is good though.   ;)

Speaking of which, here's a pic of a piece of 3/8" ply I picked up this afternoon.  It is 7-ply, so from what you were saying, it's probably baltic.  It's very straight, so it'd definitely make good template material.  Nitewalker, if you want, PM me your address and I can cut up some pieces out of more scrap and send you some.  It's the least I can do for all the help.
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Re: 1" Plywood Solution?
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2007, 12:13:43 am »
To avoid annoying everyone else by milking this thread into the ground, I've posted a couple of pics on my progress so far with my cabinet.  Ah, it makes me smile.   ;D
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