Author Topic: DA BEARS!!! (Read 4378 times)

ChicagoDave · « **on:** January 22, 2007, 09:09:01 am »

Bring on the Colts!

ChadTower · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2007, 09:31:19 am »

Not a Bears fan, but as a Pats fan, Go Bears!

Donkey_Kong · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:46:07 pm »

Geez I was driving through the state of IL and the Chicago Tollway during and after the game. Dude, you have NEVER seen happier Toll Booth Operators. NEVER!! Well not since '85. Or if they win the biggy of course. It was a little freaky witnessing it... $:-\$

Good job Chicago!! Congrats!! MN Vikes will never be the same...

To Da Bears

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2007, 07:26:35 pm »

I was kinda hoping for a "rematch" of Super Bowl XX when we spanked the Patriots but I think Indy will be a lot easier to beat.

hypernova · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2007, 11:24:36 am »

I honestly don't think your team is as good as you believe.

Grossman just...sucks. On any other team that wasn't going to make the playoffs, he would've been benched long ago. He's lucky he hasn't cost them any serious games. Yet.

Defense isn't everything it's cracked up to be. NO would've scored alot more barring the turnovers. Yes, I know turnovers are part of the game, but sometimes getting a turnover is the luck of the draw. A different venue I think would've produced different results. I read/heard that NO practiced mostly in their dome instead of in the cold Chicago weather. That was a huge mistake, if I heard correctly.

Well, if Chicago wins, it will be the second year in a row that one of the last teams that I would've wanted to win it won it. And I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull another win out of their ass. cough Arizona cough.

I was seriously considering skipping the SB if NE had won their game (started thinking it when it was 21-3.)

Since Indy won, I at least have a reason to watch. It's not that I hate the Bears. I hate Grossman. I can't stand to see such an undeserving player with so important a role somehow end up winning.

ChadTower · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2007, 11:28:30 am »

Defense creates turnovers. Pressure and physicality create turnovers. Few turnovers ever "just happen". They are forced by the defense in one way or another.

Crap on Grossman all you want but you can't change the fact that he is 15-3 as a starter this year.

FIFTEEN and THREE.

Kaytrim · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2007, 11:46:09 am »

Not to take away from Grossman any but it was the defense and special teams that won a few of the games this season. I am an old Bears fan from back in the days of Sweetness and The Fridge. In fact this years team reminds me of the '85 Bears. Hard nosed defense and a not so good QB.

The best offense is a good defense.

GO BEARS!!!

<-- supposed to be a chearleader

_) (V) (-) · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2007, 11:51:33 am »

I'm looking forward to the new & improved 'Super Bowl Shuffle' record!

Yeah baby!

ChadTower · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2007, 12:19:37 pm »

Quote from: Kaytrim on January 24, 2007, 11:46:09 am

Hard nosed defense and a not so good QB.

And the Ravens team that won. Dominating defense, Trent Dilfer at QB.

Kaytrim · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2007, 02:19:21 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 24, 2007, 12:19:37 pm

Quote from: Kaytrim on January 24, 2007, 11:46:09 am
Hard nosed defense and a not so good QB.

And the Ravens team that won. Dominating defense, Trent Dilfer at QB.

Another excellent example of Defense winning games. It doesn't matter how many points you score if you can't stop the other team chances are you will loose.

ChadTower · « **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2007, 02:38:17 pm »

To a lesser degree I'd say the 2002 Bucs fall into that category. Their offense was better than the Ravens' but still below average for a Super Bowl Champion.

Buddabing · « **Reply #11 on:** January 24, 2007, 02:51:49 pm »

I couldn't care less who wins. What I want is an exciting, close, nail-bitingly suspenseful game.

Patriots/Colts was a fun game to watch. Bears/Saints was not.

ChadTower · « **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2007, 02:59:56 pm »

Quote from: Buddabing on January 24, 2007, 02:51:49 pm

I couldn't care less who wins. What I want is an exciting, close, nail-bitingly suspenseful game.

How nailbiting can it get when you don't care who wins?

Donkey_Kong · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2007, 03:00:47 pm »

Quote from: hypernova on January 24, 2007, 11:24:36 am

Defense isn't everything it's cracked up to be. NO would've scored alot more barring the turnovers. Yes, I know turnovers are part of the game, but sometimes getting a turnover is the luck of the draw. A different venue I think would've produced different results. I read/heard that NO practiced mostly in their dome instead of in the cold Chicago weather. That was a huge mistake, if I heard correctly.

EZ on the Chicago Defense buddy. My man Jerry Azumah, him and my kid have the same dentist and we bump into him every now and then at the office.

I didn't get to watch the game cause I was driving...and I don't even follow the NFL anymore, but I just thought I would put my 2 cents in anyway. Something tells me to put my money on Da Bears this time though...

billf · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2007, 04:50:34 pm »

Quote from: Donkey_Kong on January 24, 2007, 03:00:47 pm

My man Jerry Azumah, him and my kid have the same dentist and we bump into him every now and then at the office.

DK, aren't you in Minnesota? Doesn't Azumah live in Chicago? Heck of a commute for a dentist.

hypernova · « **Reply #15 on:** January 24, 2007, 05:26:59 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 24, 2007, 11:28:30 am

Defense creates turnovers. Pressure and physicality create turnovers. Few turnovers ever "just happen". They are forced by the defense in one way or another.

Crap on Grossman all you want but you can't change the fact that he is 15-3 as a starter this year.

FIFTEEN and THREE.

Quite a few turnovers happen don't happen on purpose. I would almost wager it's 50/50. When a defender is going for a tackle, and gets a helmet on ball, which knocks it loose, it has to involve a bit of luck. Much of the time, the defender is just trying to get a hand/arm/head in on the ball carrier, happens to hit the ball, and it pops loose, generally because the carrier isn't doing his job of protecting the ball.

Grossman's not good enough for my crap.

And you got that backwards. The Bears are 15-3 despite having Grossman as a starter.

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And the Ravens team that won. Dominating defense, Trent Dilfer at QB.

Unfair comparison. Dilfer didn't make a fraction of the mistakes Grossman does.

Will I hate the world should he win one? No. But there're plenty of more deserving teams and quarterbacks than him and the Bears. Manning and the Colts is one of them. Here's to hoping for an Indy win (or in my case, a Chicago loss-the opponent was irrelevant to me.)

Donkey_Kong · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2007, 06:45:09 pm »

Quote from: billf on January 24, 2007, 04:50:34 pm

Quote from: Donkey_Kong on January 24, 2007, 03:00:47 pm

My man Jerry Azumah, him and my kid have the same dentist and we bump into him every now and then at the office.

DK, aren't you in Minnesota? Doesn't Azumah live in Chicago? Heck of a commute for a dentist.

Bill,

My son Jeremy was born with a cleft lip and pallet. We are in Chicago 2 times per year to see specialists, docs, dentists, you name it. 100% True story that my son shares dentists with Azumah. BTW- He seems like a really great guy! Who wouldn't be with his stature though. Heh, and too when I first met him which was like his 2nd year wit Da Bears which was also during the Moss/Culpepper days, I just told him we will sick Moss all up on his ass...Yea lets just say he straightened out with us like, RIGHT NOW!

But seriously if I remember right that dude could actually hang with Moss. Whether or not he would stop the him eehhhh...Thats another story. I miss football. I might just have to watch the Superbowl this year. Yea, I think I will! I mean heck I watched that OS game chomp chomp...ooooh. sshh. My buddy mccoy is coming.

billf · « **Reply #17 on:** January 24, 2007, 06:50:52 pm »

Quote from: Donkey_Kong on January 24, 2007, 06:45:09 pm

Quote from: billf on January 24, 2007, 04:50:34 pm
Quote from: Donkey_Kong on January 24, 2007, 03:00:47 pm

My man Jerry Azumah, him and my kid have the same dentist and we bump into him every now and then at the office.

DK, aren't you in Minnesota? Doesn't Azumah live in Chicago? Heck of a commute for a dentist.

Bill,

My son Jeremy was born with a cleft lip and pallet. We are in Chicago 2 times per year to see specialists, docs, dentists, you name it. 100% True story that my son shares dentists with Azumah.

Ahhh...now that makes sense. Didn't doubt ya, just didn't know the whole story.

ChadTower · « **Reply #18 on:** January 25, 2007, 07:51:40 am »

Quote from: hypernova on January 24, 2007, 05:26:59 pm

I would almost wager it's 50/50. When a defender is going for a tackle, and gets a helmet on ball, which knocks it loose, it has to involve a bit of luck. Much of the time, the defender is just trying to get a hand/arm/head in on the ball carrier, happens to hit the ball, and it pops loose, generally because the carrier isn't doing his job of protecting the ball.

13 years of playing experience as a defender say that is mistaken. There is not nearly as much luck as you seem to think. Every tackler's top thought is to get a facemask on the ball. Second thought is to get a hand on the ball and rip or knock it out. Third is to wrap the player up and bring them down. That is tackling technique and if you look at turnover stats you'll see that most turnovers aren't pop fumbles in a crowd, they're tipped or stripped.

Kaytrim · « **Reply #19 on:** January 25, 2007, 05:15:58 pm »

Thank you Chad for clarifying that. This vindicates the coaching staff of Da Bears. They are doing the right things in their drills and philosophy. This is why Da Bears are leaders in take aways and have one of the best defenses in the NFL.

ChadTower · « **Reply #20 on:** January 25, 2007, 07:13:18 pm »

Well, for the Bears, specifically, it's Brian Urlacher. Take him out and they're just slightly above average.

hypernova · « **Reply #21 on:** January 25, 2007, 07:24:15 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 25, 2007, 07:51:40 am

13 years of playing experience as a defender say that is mistaken. There is not nearly as much luck as you seem to think. Every tackler's top thought is to get a facemask on the ball. Second thought is to get a hand on the ball and rip or knock it out. Third is to wrap the player up and bring them down. That is tackling technique and if you look at turnover stats you'll see that most turnovers aren't pop fumbles in a crowd, they're tipped or stripped.

Wait, wait, wait. Actually tackling the opposing player is THIRD PRIORITY?!? No freaking wonder players miss as many tackles as they do anymore in football today. They've got their priorities wrong.

Should've probably noted that luck involving turnovers generally refers to fumbles alone. INTs involve very little luck.

ChadTower · « **Reply #22 on:** January 26, 2007, 11:51:04 am »

INTs, if anything, involve more luck than fumbles. Not a lot more, but they do involve a defender being in the right place at the right time. The bad decision or throw is a result of the defensive pressure on the QB but that alone is not a turnover. The second component of an INT, the actual catch by a defender, involves enough luck that a defender happens to be in the exact location that the bad throw/decision sends the ball off to... in short, QB pressure causes incompletions, scheme and a little luck added on top causes INTs.

When I say third priority, those priorities are very, very close. Most fumbles happen in traffic, which gives a tackler more freedom to try and create a turnover because there are other defenders in the immediate area. Now, if you move that play into the open field, of course the tackle itself becomes top priority and creating a turnover is secondary. The priorities also shift themselves out a bit depending on the defensive position. A CB, for instance, is almost always "just make the tackle", but an LB will definitely be looking to create a turnover just as much as tackling an RB coming over guard. The LB also has a less overt task of hurting the RB each and every time they come into their coverage zone. The goal there is to make them go someplace else next time, taking away an entire section of the field from the offense.

EDIT: Forgot, I was going to address the "no wonder they miss so many tackles" comment. That's a valid observation about NFL defensive backs. They have an increasing tendency nowadays to try for the big "SportsCenter" hit rather than making a proper tackle. Some will whiff entirely in the attempt or at least end up so out of position they can only make a crappy arm tackle attempt. You don't see that as much with Linebackers but the highlight reel syndrome is very real among defensive backs in the NFL. If you go to a high school game, or 99% of college games, you won't see that as they don't have highlight reels.

Kaytrim · « **Reply #23 on:** January 26, 2007, 12:14:25 pm »

Chad,

Did you ever think about becoming a coach? You really know your stuff.

ChadTower · « **Reply #24 on:** January 26, 2007, 12:24:23 pm »

Heh. I have been coaching baseball on and off for most of my life but I haven't coached football. Coaching football is a serious time commitment that I don't usually have the freedom to make.

hypernova · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:32:47 pm »

I rest my case.

ChadTower · « **Reply #26 on:** February 05, 2007, 09:13:08 am »

Heavy rain and overly slick balls. Proves nothing about what you said.

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #27 on:** February 05, 2007, 08:19:12 pm »

hypernova · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2007, 08:36:13 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on February 05, 2007, 09:13:08 am

Heavy rain and overly slick balls. Proves nothing about what you said.

Oh. Well then, I can say the weather conditions in Chicago affected NO and only NO. Oh wait. Both teams had to suffer through that.

And by golly, BOTH teams had to suffer through the rain.

Once your defense couldn't produce a turnover, they were finished. Look at last year's Bengals (or was that two years ago?) They were serious ball hawks, yet in the big games, unless they could force a few turnovers, they couldn't win.

That kickoff return is really the only thing that makes this game look halfway competitive on paper. Without that, the score is lopsided.

The team was overrated, and went deeper into the playoffs than they could've possibly hoped for. They're fortunate to be in the NFC. And even more fortunate to be in the NFC North. Anywhere in the AFC, they would've been lucky to win 8 games.

I'm curious. What are the newspapers saying about Grossman?

ChadTower · « **Reply #29 on:** February 06, 2007, 09:08:32 am »

Quote from: hypernova on February 06, 2007, 08:36:13 am

Once your defense couldn't produce a turnover, they were finished. Look at last year's Bengals (or was that two years ago?) They were serious ball hawks, yet in the big games, unless they could force a few turnovers, they couldn't win.

Yes, that is true. The Bears are a turnover defense. They did force turnovers, actually, but the offense would turn the ball RIGHT BACK OVER to the Colts. You can have the world's greatest defense but if your offense is one snap and out then it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. That's not even enough time to breathe on the sideline.

Last year's Bengals were knocked out of the playoffs when one of the Steelers' linemen took a cheap shot at Carson Palmer's knee and destroyed it in the Bengals' first possession. The defense had nothing to do with it.

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That kickoff return is really the only thing that makes this game look halfway competitive on paper. Without that, the score is lopsided.

The Bears also had an impressive touchdown drive that ended with a 4yd TD pass to Muhammad. The Bears lost because they couldn't hang on to the ball on offense. The defense did its part until they wore down because they spent so much time on the field at the end of the half and the beginning of the second half. That's what did the Patriots in, too. Good strategy and execution by the Colts for about 20 straight minutes of game time.

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The team was overrated, and went deeper into the playoffs than they could've possibly hoped for. They're fortunate to be in the NFC. And even more fortunate to be in the NFC North. Anywhere in the AFC, they would've been lucky to win 8 games.

They were 15-4 this season. That makes them substantially better than every other team in the NFC. All that matters in the end is wins and losses and there is rarely a team better than 15-4.

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I'm curious. What are the newspapers saying about Grossman?

No idea, I don't read them. I'm sure they are crucifying him. They're idiots, too. The guy went 15-4 this year. His backup is a guy that led the NFL in passing and made the Pro Bowl in 2000 yet still drank himself out of his job there. He was once caught stealing a shopping cart to get groceries home after losing his driver's license. He was injured falling drunk down stairs and a second time when he split his head on a teammate's driveway while drunk. Griese couldn't win a job with no competition in Miami in 2003, couldn't stay healthy for the Bucs and got cut for Chris Simms (who is no prize either).

I never understood the outcry to put Griese in... they have a young guy with serious upside on his way to 15-4 and they want to replace him with Brian Griese?

Donkey_Kong · « **Reply #30 on:** February 06, 2007, 10:17:25 am »

Quote from: Donkey_Kong on January 24, 2007, 06:45:09 pm

Quote from: billf on January 24, 2007, 04:50:34 pm
Quote from: Donkey_Kong on January 24, 2007, 03:00:47 pm

My man Jerry Azumah, him and my kid have the same dentist and we bump into him every now and then at the office.

DK, aren't you in Minnesota? Doesn't Azumah live in Chicago? Heck of a commute for a dentist.

Bill,

My son Jeremy was born with a cleft lip and pallet. We are in Chicago 2 times per year to see specialists, docs, dentists, you name it. 100% True story that my son shares dentists with Azumah. BTW- He seems like a really great guy! Who wouldn't be with his stature though. Heh, and too when I first met him which was like his 2nd year wit Da Bears which was also during the Moss/Culpepper days, I just told him we will sick Moss all up on his ass...Yea lets just say he straightened out with us like, RIGHT NOW!

But seriously if I remember right that dude could actually hang with Moss. Whether or not he would stop the him eehhhh...Thats another story. I miss football. I might just have to watch the Superbowl this year. Yea, I think I will! I mean heck I watched that OS game chomp chomp...ooooh. sshh. My buddy mccoy is coming.

Here the whole family got all hyped up for the BOWL to watch our buddy Azumah. He isn't on the roster!! Anyone know what happen to Jerry Azumah corner back for the bears? Cut? Traded?

Kaytrim · « **Reply #31 on:** February 06, 2007, 11:02:20 am »

Quote from: Donkey_Kong on February 06, 2007, 10:17:25 am

Here the whole family got all hyped up for the BOWL to watch our buddy Azumah. He isn't on the roster!! Anyone know what happen to Jerry Azumah corner back for the bears? Cut? Traded?

I checked the roster on the Bears site and didn't see his name listed. Then I went to nfl.com and he wasn't listed in the players list for any team. I did a Google on his name and found it on ESPN. He retired back in March 2006 there is an article link at the bottom of the page. Sorry DK.

Donkey_Kong · « **Reply #32 on:** February 06, 2007, 12:16:17 pm »

Quote from: Kaytrim on February 06, 2007, 11:02:20 am

Quote from: Donkey_Kong on February 06, 2007, 10:17:25 am

Here the whole family got all hyped up for the BOWL to watch our buddy Azumah. He isn't on the roster!! Anyone know what happen to Jerry Azumah corner back for the bears? Cut? Traded?

I checked the roster on the Bears site and didn't see his name listed. Then I went to nfl.com and he wasn't listed in the players list for any team. I did a Google on his name and found it on ESPN. He retired back in March 2006 there is an article link at the bottom of the page. Sorry DK.

Thanks for the research K!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh I forgot to mention...Whew heew COLTS!! SB CHAMPS!!


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