Devhook v0.51 released with support for 3.02 PSP firmwares

[Hoagie_one]

Linky

Now it works for 3.02 as well

[Hoagie_one]

now updated for 3.01 support

[lloydcom]

Looks like another way to participate in something illegal.  Doesn't devhook allow you to play pirated ISOs on your PSP with respect for upgrading and downgrading the software?

Are you guys so cheap you cannot afford PSP games?

They cost me £14 2nd hand or via Ebay.

Why promote this activity?

[Hoagie_one]

while its true that devhook allows piracy, its also the only way to use homebrew, like emulators and still be able to play the games that require 3.0 firmware.

[lloydcom]

Not so you can use the tiff exploit without changing your software.  As the tiff exploit is not piracy but homebrew friendly, one can look at that as a feature of the PSP.

Sony have been trying to stop piracy of the PSP as it harms development.

I think this board should not be used as a springboard towards such activity.

I also think it should be a barring offence to even mention it.  But thats me.   

[DYNAGOD]

now updated for 3.01 support

great news, im all over it

[Hoagie_one]

Not so you can use the tiff exploit without changing your software.  As the tiff exploit is not piracy but homebrew friendly, one can look at that as a feature of the PSP.

Sony have been trying to stop piracy of the PSP as it harms development.

I think this board should not be used as a springboard towards such activity.

I also think it should be a barring offence to even mention it.  But thats me.   

devhook is easier

[pointdablame]

Not so you can use the tiff exploit without changing your software.  As the tiff exploit is not piracy but homebrew friendly, one can look at that as a feature of the PSP.

Sony have been trying to stop piracy of the PSP as it harms development.

I think this board should not be used as a springboard towards such activity.

I also think it should be a barring offence to even mention it.  But thats me.   

devhook is easier

and much more elegant.  Not to mention that the TIFF exploit often hangs and can be a nuisance.

[Samstag]

Looks like another way to participate in something illegal.  Doesn't devhook allow you to play pirated ISOs on your PSP with respect for upgrading and downgrading the software?

It allows me to play my legally purchased games that require higher firmware than I'm willing to commit to.  I don't play homebrew much but I do develop it, which requires a lower firmware.

[pmc]

Not so you can use the tiff exploit without changing your software.  As the tiff exploit is not piracy but homebrew friendly, one can look at that as a feature of the PSP.

Sony have been trying to stop piracy of the PSP as it harms development.

I think this board should not be used as a springboard towards such activity.

I also think it should be a barring offence to even mention it.  But thats me.   

You probably haven't bought a game that won't work without an upgrade to a firmware version that won't allow your old software to work any longer. I have at least one game sitting on a shelf waiting for me to move from eboot loader (which you seem to be OK with) to an emulated firmware (which you don't seem to like).

-pmc

[SithMaster]

Quick dont mention n64 emulators on the psp.

[lloydcom]

Ok why is there a problem with upgrading your PSP firmware?  Doing something naughty? 

If a game is not working because you have not enabled a feature on the PSP that this game needs or takes advantage of, then its a simple EULA issue - you take the game back to the store saying that you do not agree to the terms of the software and demand your money back.

Granted you opened a sealed game and the store will not take it back is probably true, I cannot see where the devhook software will make any difference to your scenario.  You have to upgrade or you don't.  Heck, at least it gives you the option to upgrade.  Its not automatic.

The whole Tiff exploit issue I'm getting at allows you to play homebrew without changing anything.  Consider it a hidden feature.  Not a lot works with it, except that Ebook reader, I think Sony missed that out by accident - and maybe be in version 3.0 of the firmware.... 

In therory you could run the exploit and then remove it and take the PSP back if it developed a fault.  Nobody would be the wiser.  Changing the firmware voids your warranty and could brick it.

So I guess you are right when you say not to mention nintendo 64 emulators on the PSP.

[pointdablame]

Ok why is there a problem with upgrading your PSP firmware?  Doing something naughty? 

If a game is not working because you have not enabled a feature on the PSP that this game needs or takes advantage of, then its a simple EULA issue - you take the game back to the store saying that you do not agree to the terms of the software and demand your money back.

Granted you opened a sealed game and the store will not take it back is probably true, I cannot see where the devhook software will make any difference to your scenario.  You have to upgrade or you don't.  Heck, at least it gives you the option to upgrade.  Its not automatic.

The whole Tiff exploit issue I'm getting at allows you to play homebrew without changing anything.  Consider it a hidden feature.  Not a lot works with it, except that Ebook reader, I think Sony missed that out by accident - and maybe be in version 3.0 of the firmware.... 

In therory you could run the exploit and then remove it and take the PSP back if it developed a fault.  Nobody would be the wiser.  Changing the firmware voids your warranty and could brick it.

So I guess you are right when you say not to mention nintendo 64 emulators on the PSP.

You obviously have zero idea on how DevHook works.

I have a firmware version 1.5 PSP.  It is a SONY 1.5.  I have not in any way, shape, or form altered the firmware on my PSP.  I simply load DevHook, which enables me to play games that use a higher firmware on my 1.5.

I have not altered or flashed my firmware at all.  My warranty is still in tact and I can return it whenever I wanted if I needed to.

And the TIFF exploit is a "hidden feature"   Give me a damn break.  It's an exploit/hack/mod just like anything else.  You can rationalize it all you want, but it's loading programs on your PSP just like DevHook does, and it doesn't alter a PSP any "less" compared to DevHook or similar.

As for why I don't upgrade my firmware... its because I don't want to.  I've grown very attached to some of my homebrew and want to keep using it.  A good chunk of it would work if I upgraded, but a good chunk WOULDN'T, and that's reason enough for me.  Sony doesn't force us to update as you mention, so why should I?

[NinjaEpisode]

Word of advice Lloyd:  If you have nothing to contribute, we'll thank you to move on to some other area.  Now STFU.  You're making me want to stop coming here because of your evangelism.

[ChadTower]

If in fact Devhook is simply a boot shell that allows the use of higher firmwares from within the 1.5 BIOS, then it is in fact likely not illegal.  It is an emulator.

[pmc]

Ok why is there a problem with upgrading your PSP firmware?  Doing something naughty? 

Not unless running homebrew is naughty. If I upgrade the firmware, I lose the homebrew. So I won't upgrade.

If a game is not working because you have not enabled a feature on the PSP that this game needs or takes advantage of, then its a simple EULA issue - you take the game back to the store saying that you do not agree to the terms of the software and demand your money back.

Granted you opened a sealed game and the store will not take it back is probably true, I cannot see where the devhook software will make any difference to your scenario.  You have to upgrade or you don't.  Heck, at least it gives you the option to upgrade.  Its not automatic.

Yes, I could take the game back. But I don't want to. I paid for it and I can make it run.

You mis-understand devhook I think. It just lets me load an emulated firmware. So I can keep the original firmware in place (it shipped to me with 1.5) and use devhook to emulate 2.71 or whatever. I can keep running my homebrew, and also play the new game I bought. I don't have to choose between the two.

In therory you could run the exploit and then remove it and take the PSP back if it developed a fault.  Nobody would be the wiser.  Changing the firmware voids your warranty and could brick it.

That applies to devhook too.

Honestly, I don't understand your argument at all.

-pmc

[pointdablame]

You mis-understand devhook I think.

He seems to misunderstand a whole mess of things.

[NinjaEpisode]

Well ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, I gotta agree with Chad on this one.  Devhook is pretty much a firmware emulator.

[boykster]

yep, Devhook is nothing more than a software homebrew emulator that allows you to emulate later versions of the firmware.  Not a whole lot different than any other emulator.  the files required are freely distributed by Sony as firmware updates.

Sure, homebrew can enable piracy, but it doesn't mandate it.  There are lot of neat homebrew games and applications for the PSP.  I even considered developing some homebrew to enable me to use my PSP as a home-automation control system for my house.  Would that be illegal?

[lloydcom]

Ok why is there a problem with upgrading your PSP firmware?  Doing something naughty? 

If a game is not working because you have not enabled a feature on the PSP that this game needs or takes advantage of, then its a simple EULA issue - you take the game back to the store saying that you do not agree to the terms of the software and demand your money back.

Granted you opened a sealed game and the store will not take it back is probably true, I cannot see where the devhook software will make any difference to your scenario.  You have to upgrade or you don't.  Heck, at least it gives you the option to upgrade.  Its not automatic.

The whole Tiff exploit issue I'm getting at allows you to play homebrew without changing anything.  Consider it a hidden feature.  Not a lot works with it, except that Ebook reader, I think Sony missed that out by accident - and maybe be in version 3.0 of the firmware.... 

In therory you could run the exploit and then remove it and take the PSP back if it developed a fault.  Nobody would be the wiser.  Changing the firmware voids your warranty and could brick it.

So I guess you are right when you say not to mention nintendo 64 emulators on the PSP.

You obviously have zero idea on how DevHook works.

I have a firmware version 1.5 PSP.  It is a SONY 1.5.  I have not in any way, shape, or form altered the firmware on my PSP.  I simply load DevHook, which enables me to play games that use a higher firmware on my 1.5.

I have not altered or flashed my firmware at all.  My warranty is still in tact and I can return it whenever I wanted if I needed to.

And the TIFF exploit is a "hidden feature"   Give me a damn break.  It's an exploit/hack/mod just like anything else.  You can rationalize it all you want, but it's loading programs on your PSP just like DevHook does, and it doesn't alter a PSP any "less" compared to DevHook or similar.

As for why I don't upgrade my firmware... its because I don't want to.  I've grown very attached to some of my homebrew and want to keep using it.  A good chunk of it would work if I upgraded, but a good chunk WOULDN'T, and that's reason enough for me.  Sony doesn't force us to update as you mention, so why should I?

As memory serves, you can run backed up ISOs on 1.5.  The very reason that Sony noticed this flaw and filled it with a firmware upgrade.  The kicker luckily is to lose that flaw with some improvements over Sony's firmware upgrade.  Like being able to stream media to the PSP from your PC or to unlock downloading of PS1 games when they are available.

I cannot see where this devhook is of any value, other to prevent firmware upgrades, and give you full kernal access for using those said images.  That's how I see it.  Am I wrong?

Word of advice Lloyd:  If you have nothing to contribute, we'll thank you to move on to some other area.  Now STFU.  You're making me want to stop coming here because of your evangelism.

I doubt you will stop coming to this board.  If your hobby is arcade gaming, you will just ignore my comments like many of you do.  I also think you should PM me and apologise for that comment.  I know what STFU stands for.

You mis-understand devhook I think.

He seems to misunderstand a whole mess of things.

Yep you are right I do.  I also misunderstand peoples actions when they try active engage in practices that are deemed questionable at best.

If in fact Devhook is simply a boot shell that allows the use of higher firmwares from within the 1.5 BIOS, then it is in fact likely not illegal.  It is an emulator.

Again, you are making an excuse.  You are not telling me anything. 

I'm just against publicising software that "can" run backups of software which is being sold on the market right now.  Something again which is not allowed to be posted here.

Sure, homebrew can enable piracy, but it doesn't mandate it.  There are lot of neat homebrew games and applications for the PSP.  I even considered developing some homebrew to enable me to use my PSP as a home-automation control system for my house.  Would that be illegal?

while its true that devhook allows piracy, its also the only way to use homebrew, like emulators and still be able to play the games that require 3.0 firmware.

Bingo! Thank you.  Some honesty at last.  See? It doesn't hurt.

I love homebrew too.  Being able to view PDF files now is a boon.  I Use PDFs a lot in my studies, and my XDA is not the device of choice to view them on.  I thought that way to go was the Tiff exploit to use this type of software, but its wrong and goes against what I'm saying here even if the exploit doesn't harm the indusrty like ripped ISOs do.

There is an unility called paperless printer.  Its free (google it) and allows you to print PDFs out as Jpegs.  Now I just view the Jpegs on the PSP.  Clear type and I don't have to load as many pages into memory, something that PDFs have a tendancy to slow down the machine.  So there is my solution towards non hacking protected software.

I don't see the point in playing MAME either, there are emulators on the open market like Namco Battle Museum, which seriously rocks.  Check it out.  I never thought Rolling Thunder could be as fun than on a bumpy bus.

Maybe Sony will listen to our pleas and allow homebrew to be run in a shell legally. 

[NinjaEpisode]

Word of advice Lloyd:  If you have nothing to contribute, we'll thank you to move on to some other area.  Now STFU.  You're making me want to stop coming here because of your evangelism.

I doubt you will stop coming to this board.  If your hobby is arcade gaming, you will just ignore my comments like many of you do.  I also think you should PM me and apologise for that comment.  I know what STFU stands for.

Then you should also know that I have no intention of apologizing to you for trying to tell you to STFU before you ruin your chances of being able to solicit future help from a community of fellow game lovers.  Let me make it clear, continue to piss people off by evangelizing your point of view and no one here is going to go out of their way to assist you. 

Hoagie, I'll apologize to you for lloydcom and the rest of us who are arguing with him causing your thread to be polutted with nonsense not directly related to DevHook.




Back OT, there are reports that .51 isn't that stable and YMMV on various software.  The hybrid 2.71 SE-C with Devhook seems to be one of the more stable emulators right now.

[pointdablame]

As memory serves, you can run backed up ISOs on 1.5.  The very reason that Sony noticed this flaw and filled it with a firmware upgrade.  The kicker luckily is to lose that flaw with some improvements over Sony's firmware upgrade.  Like being able to stream media to the PSP from your PC or to unlock downloading of PS1 games when they are available.

I cannot see where this devhook is of any value, other to prevent firmware upgrades, and give you full kernal access for using those said images.  That's how I see it.  Am I wrong?

Yes you are wrong.  And yes, 1.5 can run ISOs.  It also allows you to most easily run all homebrew available.  I can run most of my homebrew though a 2.71 exploit, but I can't run everything I want, so 1.5 is where I stay.  My favorite Sudoku homebrew for instance, doesn't play well with anything other than 1.5 unfortunately, and as it works fine right now, and is used all the time, why would I upgrade and lose that functionality?

I also don't lose ANY functionality with my PSP.  I can emulate the firmware I want and run it with all of Sony's "improvements."  I can stream media, use the web browser, et al.  Again, you don't really know anything about DevHook.   Like it or not, 1.5 offers you MORE options as to what you can do with your PSP, not less.  That does include the opportunity to run ISOs, but you can't see past that at all.  The law clearly states that the ability to do something and actually doing it are unique and distinct.  It's as simple as that, but you can't seem to grasp the concept.

[SNAAKE]

does it mean I can use to this to play LEGAL STORE BOUGHT copy of metal gear ops without upgrading a 1.5 psp ??

[pointdablame]

does it mean I can use to this to play LEGAL STORE BOUGHT copy of metal gear ops without upgrading a 1.5 psp ??

Yes

[JackTucky]

does it mean I can use to this to play LEGAL STORE BOUGHT copy of metal gear ops without upgrading a 1.5 psp ??

Yes

But don't tell lloydless or he'll tattle!

-J

[SithMaster]

what about how using devhook to load games that you own so you use less power (not using the umd drive) and have no load times becuase your running off the mem stick.

it can be used for piracy but what about those that dont.

maybe he works for sony.  point is everyone his their opinion on this matter of using devhook or not so let it rest.

[ChadTower]

Loading a game off a memstick may not spiritually be piracy but if you had to circumvent a copy protection in order to get that backup copy then it probably is technically...

...that said, I use backups rather than my originals for many systems.  I have few if any backups I don't own but I have never seen any reason to put wear and tear on the originals.

[lloydcom]

Loading a game off a memstick may not spiritually be piracy but if you had to circumvent a copy protection in order to get that backup copy then it probably is technically...

...that said, I use backups rather than my originals for many systems.  I have few if any backups I don't own but I have never seen any reason to put wear and tear on the originals.

Sorry, can you explain that one to me Chad?  Spiritually? Probably is technically?

You have few if any backups (this is a psp thread) you don't own, but you have never seen any reason to put wear and tear on the originals.  These originals meaning your store bought games.

Sorry Chad I need help on this too.  Are you admitting you have pirated copies of software you play on your PSP that you have not bought?  And you don't see any problems with that spiritually or technically?  Can this be technically or spiritually be possible if your firmware was, say, 2.8 without devhook?

If that is correct? 

ChadTower or anyone else for that matter, please don't reply. 

I understand it all now perfectly. 

Thank you.

[shmokes]

I understand too, Lloyd.  I understand that you are too ---smurfing--- dumb to reason things out for yourself and so need corporations to define morality for you.  And you're apparently scared shitless that if it is even possible for you to break the law you just won't be able to help yourself. 

[ChadTower]

I don't own nor have I ever used a PSP.  Sorry.  I read emulation/firmware related threads primarily because it relates to my profession and areas of expertise.

I find the irony of someone flaming me about IP rights kind of funny.  I'm generally known as the "don't violate the authors' rights" guy around here.  I suppose the fundamental lack of comprehension this guy keeps demonstrating would explain it if I wanted to think about it.

And to answer his actual question:  Yes, there is the spirit of a rule, and the word of the rule.  Often times it is the spirit, its actual purpose, that is far more important than the letter of the rule as specifically written.  This is definitely one of those cases.

Mod to pirate 50 games = wrong spiritually and illegal.

Mod to run some homebrew/backups of games you already own = requires steps that enable case 1 but is not in and of itself violating the spirit of the law.

[lloydcom]

I don't own nor have I ever used a PSP.  Sorry.  I read emulation/firmware related threads primarily because it relates to my profession and areas of expertise.

I find the irony of someone flaming me about IP rights kind of funny.  I'm generally known as the "don't violate the authors' rights" guy around here.  I suppose the fundamental lack of comprehension this guy keeps demonstrating would explain it if I wanted to think about it.

And to answer his actual question:  Yes, there is the spirit of a rule, and the word of the rule.  Often times it is the spirit, its actual purpose, that is far more important than the letter of the rule as specifically written.  This is definitely one of those cases.

Mod to pirate 50 games = wrong spiritually and illegal.

Mod to run some homebrew/backups of games you already own = requires steps that enable case 1 but is not in and of itself violating the spirit of the law.

I'm sorry your recent posts on this board has got me a bit biased, as you have seemed to have ignored those IP rights you guard so dear.

On a positive note:

Chad, you should get a PSP, its a great little gadget, and try out some of the games.  It blows the DS out of the water...IMHO.  Get the value pack as the headphones are superb. 

[MameMaster!]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PLACE?....still NO Bacon



 

[ChadTower]

Be enterprising.  There are some pigs.

[boykster]

Get the value pack as the headphones are superb. 

nah, they're just ok.  I prefer these ones:



but they cost almost as much as the PSP

These are a good substitute however.....

[NinjaEpisode]

Yeah, but make sure you get both the left and the right.  I hear that some people only sell one or the other.