Nintendo Wii

[AtomSmasher]

Or they could just forget about that, and assume everyone who wants the game will just have to buy the HD (if it's required.)  I'm guessing if the game's popular/big enough, the people buying it will have the HD already.

And all that could just also be a ploy to make people buy the HD.  More money for MS.

because that worked so well with the PS2 hard drive and Final Fantasy XI     Ok, I guess it technically was a success in Japan, but it pretty much flopped in America (the majority of American players are on PCs).   And since no other game on the ps2 required a harddrive, I think its safe to say that it wasn't much of a success (the harddrive, not FFXI).

[RTSDaddy2]

SEE Y'ALL IN LINE - I'm planning to get one on launch day.  Never done anything this crazy for a game console in my life, but this is our Christmas (wife and I) gift to each other.  We've been waiting patiently, and the more I see and hear as "reviewers" write their posts, the harder it is to wait for Sunday morning to arrive!

BTW...rumors are out online, if you haven't seen them, that Sony is not shipping enough PS3's to EB / GameStop - they are only covering 60 percent of the pre-orders.  Now personally, THAT would tick me off...to have read that my order might stay in Japan to meet the demand there, instead of coming to me after I paid my money for it?!?

[AlanS17]

BTW...rumors are out online, if you haven't seen them, that Sony is not shipping enough PS3's to EB / GameStop - they are only covering 60 percent of the pre-orders.  Now personally, THAT would tick me off...to have read that my order might stay in Japan to meet the demand there, instead of coming to me after I paid my money for it?!?

I just read straight from GameStop that it looks like they're stalling online orders in an attempt to be able to fill in-store orders.

Back in topic, I already have my Wii pre-ordered at GameStop.

[RecycledPast]

I plan on getting a Wii on launch, if I get my Target 10% off coupon this week, otherwise I'll have to wait a few days and hope they don't sell out.
I really wish they wouldn't have included the game and sold the system for $199.

I don't buy a lot of games so if Nintendo only puts out 2-3 perfect games a year I'm fine.  Personally I thought they did a great job with the GC, Animal crossing, Zelda, Paper Mario, & Pikmin was all I owned.

I did own a Xbox, PS2, GC, & GBA so 2-3 games a system a year = enough good games for me, but probably not enough to make them much $$$.

My brother gave me a 360, otherwise I would have waited another year to get one when they drop the price.   I don't have an HDtv so I don't think the system is worth $400 yet.

My personal motto is to never pay full price.

[hypernova]

We've been waiting patiently, and the more I see and hear as "reviewers" write their posts, the harder it is to wait for Sunday morning to arrive!

You could always freeze yourself, and have a friend wake you up.

[hypernova]

Did anyone get a Wal Mart ad this past Sunday?  They were advertising that if you bought it opening day, they would throw in a controller set (Nunchuk AND remote) for FREE!  If you weren't aware of this, check your local ads!!!

[AlanS17]

I wonder what the lines are gonna look like. And I wonder what the ebay resale value will be considering they may not even be expecting much of a shortage.

If I ccould wait in line for a few hours and sell this thing for $500 or $600, that's still totally worth it.

(I already have one for personal use on pre-order at GameStop.)

[AtomSmasher]

Did anyone get a Wal Mart ad this past Sunday?  They were advertising that if you bought it opening day, they would throw in a controller set (Nunchuk AND remote) for FREE!  If you weren't aware of this, check your local ads!!!

I just checked my local ads and they're not doing that deal here.

[MustardTent]

Trying to determine what is the best place to get a wii.  My BestBuy and Circuit City are not doing midnight openings.  Neither is target or Toys'R'Us.  Only place doing it is a store called Meijer, which is like a target. 

Since Target opens first on Sunday, I'm guessing that's a good place to be...but I'm sure BestBuy will have more units.  So maybe since they're open second it's a better shot?

I'm torn.

[RTSDaddy2]

I'll second MustardTent.

No one around me is doing a midnight sale either.  Wal-Mart opens first at 7 am (closest to me) and they're saying be there about midnight, but it's supposed to be freezing here in the sunny south.  Best Buy will follow at 9 AM.  I checked out the line for the PS3 at our local BB and it was very small, but of course they were only getting a few of those.

So what do y'all think?  Try Wally world first then BB?  Or just go hang at BB?

[shmokes]

My recommendation is patience.  Waiting overnight in the freezing cold is miserable.  It's at least justifiable when you're talking about a PS3 or Xbox 360, where shortages mean that if you don't camp at launch time you probably can't get one for months, or their shortages make them an attractive Ebay business opportunity.  But missing out on the Wii launch means nothing more than a few days without a Wii.  The initial launch numbers will take care of most the diehards.  My little brother works at Target.  Target got 6 PS3s.  He says they already have an enormous stack of Wiis in the back - he guesses, based on the size of the stack, that there are between 60 - 80.  The local Best Buy, just down the road from Target, which got 26 PS3s, will probably have a lot more Wiis than Target too.

Five days before the Wii came out you got on just fine without one.  Just pretend that the Wii is going to launch on Thanksgiving day instead of this Sunday and head out to your local stores then.  I'd put money on Nintendo making sure to get more shipments out to retailers in time for Black Friday. 

[AlanS17]

Two kids were camping out in front of target this morning to get a Wii. I figured that they wouldn't believe me even if I told them to come back later.

I think if you get in line somewhere 3 hours ahead of time you ought to be fine just about anywhere (but that's pure speculation).

People might be camping just because they saw what happened with the PS3 and don't realize the Wii is more readily available.

[RTSDaddy2]

I'll take that advice but head out a bit sooner, maybe 6 hours.  I'm going to try Wal Mart first, but have BB as an option later if needed.

 I'm sort of the same suspicions Alan, actually.  Plus, I don't think folks down this way are quite into new consoles as they are in other parts of the country...there's just no sense of urgency down here that I can tell, so I sort of expect it to be relatively easy to get one, but taking no chances. Also the area where I live seems to be more a Sony area, so it may be no issue whatsoever.

Saw the Wii in action today at a local EB kiosk.  I cannot wait to get my hands on one of those...it just looks like too much fun!  The HD cable was attached...and with that, the graphics look pretty sharp.   

Also saw the PS3 sitting next to it...yeah, the graphics are good.  I guess I'm just not a hardcore gamer - there's nothing on the PS1, PS2 or PS3 that really appeals to my family and I save Spyro and maybe Kingdom Hearts...no real need to put money in to one then for two or three games, especially with such a hefty price tag.

At any way, back on topic- will be heading out within the next three hours in hope of finding a place to sit and wait for 12:01 to hit...wiish me luck!

[AtomSmasher]

I'll take that advice but head out a bit sooner, maybe 6 hours.  I'm going to try Wal Mart first, but have BB as an option later if needed.

I've mentioned it before, but just in case you missed it, here it is again.  Toys R Us is the offical launch partner of Wii and should be getting more units per store then anywhere else.  If I remember right, my local Toys R Us is supposed to be getting around 250 Wii's, while the Walmarts and Best Buys are getting between 60 and 120 units.  If you don't get one at Walmarts midnight launch (assuming your walmart is open at midnight), then Toys R Us should be your next stop.

edit* I just checked http://www.ps3seeker.com/wii/  and it turns out initial estimations were wrong.  My Toys R Us is supposed to get 84 while the best buys, targets, and walmarts are getting around 60 each.

[RTSDaddy2]

I've been keeping an eye on the numbers all week with that link Atom, but I appreciate your post.  I had seen it and  haven't rules out TRU completely, but when I spoke to my store the other day they told me all they got in was enough to fill their pre-orders.  As BB did not do preorders, might be a pretty good place to check second.  Thanks for the reminder though!

One other thing I should keep in mind - there are at least three walmarts, three BB, three TRU, and three Targets within 7 miles of my house.  What are the odds of ALL of them selling out before I can get to the next one?

I told my wife though - if I get to Walmart tonight and am even 20th in line, she might as well not expect to see me until tomorrow morning.  I won't be home if I find a spot!

[AlanS17]

GameStop is fulfilling their Wii pre-orders starting at midnight tonight (or at least the one near me is).

I pre-ordered and then handed off the receipt to my brother so he could get it for me for Christmas. I figure I did the hard stuff. All he has to do is shown up.

So even though we can be some of the first in the country to get it, I still won't be able to play it til December 25th. 

[namedos]

Got my Wii yesterday and it is an absolute blast to play.  Got a buddy that works at Nintendo so I was able to pick one up early.  Madden 07 is unbelievable.  Wii Sports is pretty good, with Tennis and Golf our favorites so far.  Heck my wife is even enjoying it.  Way to go Nintendo!

[deadmoney5]

For all the Playstation fans and how much more popular the ps2 was over the gamecube i still can't find a reason why it was loved over the GC.

probably because it had a lot more better games...

but to each his own...I dont really see the appeal of the Wii either...

and I don't have a 360 OR a PS3

I dont have an HD tv so it wouldnt be worth for me yet

[hypernova]

So even though we can be some of the first in the country to get it, I still won't be able to play it til December 25th.

I'm in the same boat.  I'll be waiting in line for just 2 hours.  I plan on getting to Wal Mart in about an hour now (it's open 24 hours.)  Wife said she saw a sign earlier today near the front telling people where to form a line.  There was none, at around noon.  While unconfirmed, that link has been saying my WM is getting 53.  Based on the "line" of the PS3, I think I should be fine, but the free controller is a slight wild card.

I just checked my local ads and they're not doing that deal here.

While our printed version DID show the deal, the online version is not listing it.  I suggest to check with your store.  It is listed in there in ours.  We double checked to make sure, because Target was offering an extra nunchuk if you bought an extra remote, but WM offered the entire set with the system.  We conveniently threw it away (d'oh,) but we know it was there.  They usually have those ads near the front of the store on a desk, or maybe customer service has some.

Edit:  Well, hell, I don't know what to think now.  Maybe I was just reading something wrong.  I would've bet my life on reading that an additional set of remote/nunchuk was going to be thrown in if you bought it on launch day.  Plus, the online Target ads don't show anything related to the Wii, and I DO bet my life that it WAS advertised in Sunday's ads.  We'll see.

I'll write in as soon as I get home about what to expect.  (Should be before 12:45.)

[AtomSmasher]

I just checked my local ads and they're not doing that deal here.

While our printed version DID show the deal, the online version is not listing it.  I suggest to check with your store.  It is listed in there in ours.  We double checked to make sure, because Target was offering an extra nunchuk if you bought an extra remote, but WM offered the entire set with the system.  We conveniently threw it away (d'oh,) but we know it was there.  They usually have those ads near the front of the store on a desk, or maybe customer service has some.

Edit:  Well, hell, I don't know what to think now.  Maybe I was just reading something wrong.  I would've bet my life on reading that an additional set of remote/nunchuk was going to be thrown in if you bought it on launch day.  We'll see.

I'll write in as soon as I get home about what to expect.  (Should be before 12:45.)

Hmm, I wasn't planning on getting a Wii tonight (I'm getting it for Christmas, so no hurry), if a free remote and nunchuck come with it, then I probably will get it tonight.  I'll swing by Walmart and take a look at their ad.  If it is like you say, then you won't hear back from me until tommorrow

[hypernova]

Wow.  If this is any indication, Nintendo is going to be taking back some of that market share from Sony and MS.

Got there a little after 10 pm, and all units were already accounted for.  Not sure how many exactly, but there was a healthy amount of people loitering around the electronics.  I'd say it was close to the number that site was suggesting they'll get.  Also checked Meijer (which is actually more like a Super Wal Mart) and they were all accounted for as well.

I could easily check other WM and such, but I imagine it'll be the same story, because those stores are located in larger (and richer) population zones.

I may check via phone tomorrow morning about 11 am for Best Buy and Target to see if they're sold out.  I'm not sitting outside for hours on end waiting for them to open, especially when I'm not playing it until Christmas, and all reports indicate there'll be a few more shipments before then.

Good luck to all trying to get one tomorrow!

[hypernova]

And I'm almost certain that they had an ad in the paper.  What makes me so sure is the fact that it said you HAD to buy it on the 19th to get the freebies.

[alomar721]

called target tonight they are having 39 units best buy has roughly 60. circuit city has 19. meijers laughed at me and so did walmart. ebgames told me that they only had enough to fill pre-orders. the lady told me that they should be getting shipments each week no total. i might go early before work. if not will get one in a couple of weeks then.

[AtomSmasher]

I stopped by walmart and they didn't have the free remote deal, not that it would of mattered since there was a huge line waiting with several camping tents towards the front of the line.  I guess a bunch of people have been waiting a day or two there and there were easily 60 people which would of accounted for their entire stock. 

If the entire first million of Wii's is sold in the first hour they're available, then Nintendo may be back in the #1 console spot before too long.  Good times.

[ImaTest]

I took a ride around at about 1am to see what the lines were like, and was surprised at how few people I saw.

10 or so at Best buy, maybe 20 at Walmart, 20 or so cars at Target (no one was even bothering sitting near the doors), and one solitary car at circuit city.

I'm sure it'll be much worse in the morning, but I was surprised.

[AlanS17]

There were a lot of campers here in the Dallas area at 1am as I was headed home for the night - more than I was expecting. I think a lot of that is fallout from the whole PS3 phenomenon. I think people either expect it to be as much of a demand as the PS3 or they got in line earlier since they missed on the PS3.

[tommy]

I ended up not getting one yet. 

I'll have to settle for a 360 till they are more abundant.

[AtomSmasher]

I ended up not getting one yet. 

I'll have to settle for a 360 till they are more abundant.

I doubt you'll have to wait long.  I'd call Best buy or Toys R Us on Wed or Thurs and see when their next shipment is coming in (I bet its no later then Friday).

[tommy]

I really have to say that after playing the Wii and using the new motion controler anyother game console with a regular controler is not worth playing anymore.

I can deal with gamecube graphics even though the PS3 looks a hell of alot better, i just can't see holding a controler still after i played the Wii.

If only the PS3 had the Wii-mote gaming would be perfect. If only Nintendo made the best system they could with todays hardware. 

[ChadTower]

I was at Gamestop last night and a kid tried to run out of the store with their display Wii controller.  He fell down and didn't make it.  I almost wet my pants laughing.

[AlanS17]

I was at Gamestop last night and a kid tried to run out of the store with their display Wii controller.  He fell down and didn't make it.  I almost wet my pants laughing.

LOL that's awesome. They're supposed to take an ID or something from people who want to play. That way nobody can bail. Sounds like someone screwed up.

[ChadTower]

If he just walked like a regular person he would have been 50 yards out the door before anyone noticed.  Everyone noticed a kid standing by the front door make a dash for it, fall on his head, and get grabbed by the dude that was now blocking the door.   

[Howard_Casto]

If only the PS3 had the Wii-mote gaming would be perfect. If only Nintendo made the best system they could with todays hardware. 

No it wouldn't because it's a playstation and therfore is crap.  Wii has 30 launch titles around 20 of which are really good.  The ps3 has around 10 launch titles, one of which is playable.  I rest my case on that one.  Plus it's 600 bucks.  Let me repeat that, it's 600 bucks.  Remember the neogeo and jaguar?  They were over-priced like that and we all know how long they lasted. 

The perfect pairing would be microsoft and nintendo, with nintendo designing the software exclusively.  M$ at least tries to do new stuff with their online experience and their push to make a console more like a pc.  While sony on the other hand copies everyone else and tries to cram their crappy media formats down everyones throats hoping no one will notice that they don't, nor never had any fun games to play on any of their systems save some exclusive third party contracts (which they have now lost) if they throw a bunch of random horsepower at the thing and make sure the cars in ridge racer 7 (yawn) are extra shiny at launch. 

Going back to my failure examples the neogeo came out during the time of the super nes but never caught on after it's initial release.  Neogeo offered far more horsepower, but only snk games took advantage of it and even then the games only looked slighty better than those on the snes.  On top of that most of the games weren't all that good and the system cost twice as much as the snes.  Is this sounding familair? It's basically the situation sony is in now vs the 360.  The only difference being that sony had a loyal fan base, which got a lot of fanboys to go out and buy the system even though the games don't look all that great and next to none of them are any fun.  I'm pretty sure the casual gamer and average consumer on the other hand, have pretty much abandoned sony at this point.  The only thing that kept em in business in the past were exclusive titles which they now don't have.

On the other hand m$ keeps pushing the online experience and nintendo as usual, just sticks to making great games and coming out with new ways to interact with those games. 

So long story short... no nintendo and sony would be a match made in hell. 

Remember the original ps1 came out of nintendo firing sony because nintendo didn't they their quality was up to par.  Of course they were essentially right but the thing sold anyway because the n64 still used carts.  But hey who cares about making games actually playable with no load times when you can have virtually unplayble games with really spiffy cut-scenes?  As usual nintendo knew better than the public on that one but the damage was already done. 

[shmokes]

Wii has 30 launch titles around 20 of which are really good. 

Come now . . . the actual number of really good titles is 1.  Then there are about 2 or 3 good ones like Monkey Ball and Rayman.  Then there are a few decent ones like Call of Duty.  And a bunch of sucky ones.

Of course they were essentially right but the thing sold anyway because the n64 still used carts.  But hey who cares about making games actually playable with no load times when you can have virtually unplayble games with really spiffy cut-scenes?  As usual nintendo knew better than the public on that one but the damage was already done. 

Speaking of forcing a proprietary format on people . . .

Consumers weren't wrong.  Consumers didn't choose CDs over cartridges.  Consumers chose games over lack of games.  Developers/Publishers chose CDs over cartridges.  The market wanted CDs because cartridges were so damned risky by comparison (not to mention had severe space limitations).  When Akklaim put in an order for a 1 million cartridges to meet expected demand for a game they thought would sell well due to a movie license, they were stuck with 700,000 unsold cartridges when it turned out that the public isn't as dumb as they thought and it takes more than a license alone to create a blockbuster.  700,000 unsold cartridges at $30 a pop is a lot of ---smurfing--- money to swallow, especially when the same game for the Playstation only set them back a few dollars apiece.  Anyway, load times is the story Nintendo gave you.  They stuck with cartridges because manufacturing cartridges for third parties was an enormously profitable business for them and they didn't want to lose it.  Third parties told Nintendo that cartridges were just too risky a business for them and Nintendo told the developers to shut up and take their medicine.  And there was Sony, waiting with open arms.

[Howard_Casto]

Wii has 30 launch titles around 20 of which are really good. 

Come now . . . the actual number of really good titles is 1.  Then there are about 2 or 3 good ones like Monkey Ball and Rayman.  Then there are a few decent ones like Call of Duty.  And a bunch of sucky ones.

Of course they were essentially right but the thing sold anyway because the n64 still used carts.  But hey who cares about making games actually playable with no load times when you can have virtually unplayble games with really spiffy cut-scenes?  As usual nintendo knew better than the public on that one but the damage was already done. 

Speaking of forcing a proprietary format on people . . .

Consumers weren't wrong.  Consumers didn't choose CDs over cartridges.  Consumers chose games over lack of games.  Developers/Publishers chose CDs over cartridges.  The market wanted CDs because cartridges were so damned risky by comparison (not to mention had severe space limitations).  When Akklaim put in an order for a 1 million cartridges to meet expected demand for a game they thought would sell well due to a movie license, they were stuck with 700,000 unsold cartridges when it turned out that the public isn't as dumb as they thought and it takes more than a license alone to create a blockbuster.  700,000 unsold cartridges at $30 a pop is a lot of ---smurfing--- money to swallow, especially when the same game for the Playstation only set them back a few dollars apiece.  Anyway, load times is the story Nintendo gave you.  They stuck with cartridges because manufacturing cartridges for third parties was an enormously profitable business for them and they didn't want to lose it.  Third parties told Nintendo that cartridges were just too risky a business for them and Nintendo told the developers to shut up and take their medicine.  And there was Sony, waiting with open arms.

Actually call of duty would be one of the one's I put in the sucky category.  It's a generic fps and therofore unoriginal and should die a quick death. No I do not exaggerate, most of the wii games are really good.  You have to understand though, that half of them are for kids.  I might not care for sponge bob and avatar, but my little cousin sure likes it.    Actually I kind of do like spongebob and avatar but that's another story. 

The bad games would fall along the lines of red steel and call of duty, with red steel being one of the few games that totally botched the control scheme and call of duty just being the third of a very typical fps that has only sold copies because of it's graphics, and this becomes apparent on the wii seeing as it is stripped of these.  Other bad ones would include rampage (same game yet again) the new gt game and a few that slip my mind. 


You are right carts were more expensive, that was the point.  It's a real simple way to implement quality control.  The high cost made it impossible for "budget" titles to be made, meaning only high-quality product would be released.  In those rare instances when a game did bomb (see superman 64) developers either radically changed their direction on the next title or quit making games for the console. Either way the consumer got the highest ratio of good games to bad games possible as a result. Of course there were more games on the psx, because they were cheaper to make, but 80% of those games were crap.  On the other hand 80% of the games on the n64 were really good.

See the psx was never really powerful enough to do proper 3d graphics, but the n64 was.  If you look at the typical n64 game versus the typical ps1 game, the n64 game looks waaaaaaay better.  Mind you the  psx game had a lot of textures, but the meshs were better on the n64 and the games ran at a higher fps.  The lack of a cd drive kept third party developers from jumping on the very bad trend of making a game with a lot of textures and cut scenes but with poor meshs and framerates. Much like now (with the 360 and ps3) it was a time when games were getting sold based on how they looked rather than how they played (though in this instance the look was mostly fmv sequences), thankfully nintendo was always there with the gameplay while the rest of the gaming world lost it's mind.  Also thankfully, they are here to save us again. 

I'm losing count again how many times has nintendo single-handedly saved the gaming industy  2 times or 3? 

Oh and the load times were indeed real.  Maybe you don't remember waiting 5 minutes for a level to load, but I do.  Maybe you don't remember playing a crippled version of mk trilogy, where you had to select which characters shang could morph into but I do.  Cd players in consoles at that point were 1X, far too slow to be effective for the bloated games released for the psx. 

[shmokes]

Oh, the load times were real.  And they sucked (though were never anything like 5 minutes). 

I simply mean that consumers didn't choose CDs over cartridges, or load times over the lack thereof (not directly or consciously anyway).  Consumers chose the console with the best library.  You can, of course, rail on PS1 games as being nothing but FMV fests, but this is pretty far from the truth.  Obviously this problem did exist, but not exclusively.  PS1 gave us Tony Hawk, Parappa the Rapper, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Tekken (which is a ---smurfing--- retarded game, but other people seem to love it  ), Twisted Metal, Wipeout, Fear Effect, NFL Gameday, Dance Dance Revolution, Spyro, Crash Bandicoot (another retarded game, but what are you gonna do?). Tenchu, Final Fantasy VII and Tactics, Medal of Honor, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Syphon filter, Grandia, Ape Escape, Silent Hill, Gran Turismo.

Seriously, I could go on.  This list isn't anything like complete.  Are any of these games as good as Zelda: TOoT or Mario 64?  No way.  But there were a lot of great games for PS1.  Significantly more than N64.  You can make a (probably spurious) argument that N64 had a higher ratio of good games to bad games.  This is almost certainly not true, but the only thing that would really give you if it were true is a better chance of picking a good game from the rental store when you are blindfolded.  If N64 only had 10 games total in its lifetime and 7 of them were great they'd have a 7/10 ratio, but I'd still rather the system that had 1000 games made for it with only a 2/10 ratio of great vs. bad games since that would give me 200 great games to choose from and I can easily ignore the other 800.  PS1 had a much more diverse library that appealed to a broader demographic and they simply had more good games.

It is the better library that consumers chose.  They would have chose the console that used punch cards as a storage medium if that was the one that had the most great games.  Playstation was simply the console with the most great games.  This isn't because the PS1 was a better console.  It was clearly inferior to the N64 in virtually every respect.  But Nintendo made developing for the Playstation a no-brainer for third parties so that's what they did.

By the way, you can pretty much copy and paste everything I just said but substitute N64 with Gamecube and PS1 with PS2.  The scenario played itself out again.  Gamecube's hardware is superior in almost every way.  Gamecube's controller is the greatest gamepad ever made, while the PS2 is still using a souped up SNES controller with horribly placed tacked on analog sticks.  Gamecube had the Nintendo exclusives which were, as usual, the greatest games of the generation and among the greatest games of all time.  But there were just a few of them and PS2, once again, had a far bigger library and, more to the point, had a far bigger selection of great games.

[AlanS17]

For what it's worth, the last Nintendo console I owned was the Super NES. The N64 controller was retarded, and my favorite game publisher (Squaresoft) moved over to exclusively developing for the PS1.

I really wanted a Game Cube, but I knew I'd only be buying it for the first-party titles like Super Smash Brothers and Mario kart. It just didn't have the expansive library of exclusive game titles the the PS2 had (even though Square-Enix did start making games for it again). All the cross-platform games were just better on the PS2.

That being said, I'm getting a new Wii for Christmas, and I'm excited about it. I probably won't own a PS3 for a very long time, but that's mostly because of cost (and I just got an XBOX 360).

[tommy]

If only the PS3 had the Wii-mote gaming would be perfect. If only Nintendo made the best system they could with todays hardware. 

No it wouldn't because it's a playstation and therfore is crap. 

I guess what i was really getting at was a better looking console graphically then the Wii. As i've said Nintendo could have made a much better console and chose to just kinda not really try hard. The new controls are a home run in my book, but why not still compete with the rest in graphics?

If the Wii had PS3 or even 360 graphics i would gladly pay $600.00, Nintendo would have blown away the rest hands down, if they aren't already.

[ChadTower]

One of their engineering requirements was to keep it at about $250.  What you're describing just wouldn't meet that requirement.