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USSEnterprise · « **on:** July 02, 2006, 11:32:01 pm »

I just one a Zaccaria Combat Machine on eBay. Paid $332. Seller says scoreboard works sporadically. Its an EM, so repair should be simple. Playfield looks fun. Backglass looks great. Going to pick up after 4th of july weekend. Up in Long Valley NJ

grantspain · « **Reply #1 on:** July 03, 2006, 07:09:57 am »

well its a good price,but zaccaria were truly awful pinballs-suffered really bad connector problems(which is probably your display fault).i worked on a couple in the u.k and they were hard work.i hope yours is good for you

crsdawg · « **Reply #2 on:** July 03, 2006, 12:36:12 pm »

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,but zaccaria were truly awful pinballs

i'll preface this by saying i own several zacaria pins, so i'm not exactly unbiased, but i couldn't disagree with this statement more. as with many pins of this era zacs had a few common problems, but once gone through they are quite dependable. nothing as troublesome as say, a gottlieb system 1. gameplaywise the ss titles were second to none. farfalla with 6 flippers, 17 drops, outlane ball save, moving ramp, speach, game time bonus(adds a timed 4th ball), and a naked lady backglass insert...is one of the best early 80's games, period.

while their em's were a bit more pedestrian they still compare favorably with other pins of the early to mid 70's. and i can't see why they would be any more difficult to keep running than any other em.

here's a couple shots of a farfalla i sold a couple weeks back. it's too bad i dont' have my new one assembled yet, it's quite a bit nicer, but this gives an idea of the game:

usse, nice score on your combat. that's a good price for a pin in good condition. it sounds like you have some dirty switches/score reels. i had a klondike with a similar problem. after cleaning the leafs, and ungunking the reels it started scoring properly.

if you haven't already been here. this site has all of clay's pinball repair guides, including a very good one for em's:

http://marvin3m.com/fix.htm

this is david gersics zaccaria site:

http://www.zaccaria-pinball.com/

and the zaccaria mailing list:

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/zaccaria/

good luck with your project.

grantspain · « **Reply #3 on:** July 03, 2006, 06:38:41 pm »

i will agree to differ,but you are correct gottlieb is a stinking pile of manchester united-give me bally/williams any day

ClubNinja · « **Reply #4 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:33:55 am »

I just thought I'd chime in and add that every Zaccaria I've owned or still own has been wonderful. Unique, vibrant, and reliable. I've had or still have every Zaccaria I've wanted except for a Farfalla. That's on my permanent keeper list once I bring one in.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #5 on:** July 05, 2006, 11:34:32 am »

Thanks everyone. My only worry now is getting parts for it.

ChadTower · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2006, 12:50:58 pm »

Quote from: ClubNinja on July 05, 2006, 10:33:55 am

I just thought I'd chime in and add that every Zaccaria I've owned or still own has been wonderful. Unique, vibrant, and reliable. I've had or still have every Zaccaria I've wanted except for a Farfalla. That's on my permanent keeper list once I bring one in.

I've enver seen the Farfalla... holy CRAP that's a pretty machine.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2006, 11:00:34 am »

#4 may be coming soon. A Williams Tri Zone. I'm starting to think I might be obsessed with pinball, but $100 working, I'm getting it. How do I get to Pinballers Anonymous?

melarky · « **Reply #8 on:** July 07, 2006, 12:58:32 pm »

I got a williams Tri-Zone for $100 as well, great purchase, fun machine especially at that price (the guy I bought it from told me it didn't work, when I got there, he plugged it in and said "See, it doesn't work..." and then when I got it home, I plugged it in, flipped the switch under the cabinet, and it worked great, never told that guy). Something fun about the mechanical feel of real pinball machines (virtual pin ball just isn't as good).

Havok · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2006, 02:08:42 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on July 05, 2006, 12:50:58 pm

Quote from: ClubNinja on July 05, 2006, 10:33:55 am
I just thought I'd chime in and add that every Zaccaria I've owned or still own has been wonderful. Unique, vibrant, and reliable. I've had or still have every Zaccaria I've wanted except for a Farfalla. That's on my permanent keeper list once I bring one in.

I've enver seen the Farfalla... holy CRAP that's a pretty machine.

That's the Euro version, the US one isn't quite as nice...

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2006, 09:58:39 pm »

All right, I just got the Combat into my house and set up. After changing the fuse block because of bad clips, I pressed the start button, and it got stuck in reset mode. I tried manually tripping relays, but didn't do anything. Additionally, does anyone know where I can get parts for this? PBResource isn't very accomidating to Zaccaria machines.

crsdawg · « **Reply #11 on:** July 09, 2006, 05:01:22 pm »

if i'm not mistaken zaccaria used a lot of williams parts so most of the hardware and underplayfield stuff should be interchangeable. switches, post, solenoids, coin door.......that sort of thing. for the stuff that's not standard fare you'll need to find a parts game or post wanted threads on the zaccaria list, mr. pinball,......zac em's do come up from time to time, so just be patient(doesn't have to be a combat unless you after game specific stuff, plastics, backglass...). you should be able to use or convert domestic parts to get the game functional tho.

the first thing to do is clean all your switches(don't adjust them just clean them, you can get into trouble adjusting switches too much). if you have a flexstone use it, then see where your at.

when you say it's stuck in reset mode. are the score reels just spinning? what exactly is it doing? on and em at start-up the score reels reset to zero. if the switches in that mechanism are dirty or missaligned the game will never know they are at zero and just spin, very common problem.

it's been a while since i've worked on one of these older games, so i will only be able to help you so much. clays guide is indespensible here. besides the sound board, your game should be like any other em. when i had my klondike, i just went through the guide step by step. after a day or so i was playing games.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2006, 03:58:26 pm »

Going to pickm up the Tri Zone in a half hour. Sounds like the solenoid driver transistor is bad, since none of the PF coils works. Could also be a bad fuse, or a PIA chip. Printing out Clay's guide for Williams System 3 to 7 as I type. Should be helpful.

pointdablame · « **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2006, 06:02:39 pm »

Quote from: USSEnterprise on July 07, 2006, 09:58:39 pm

All right, I just got the Combat into my house and set up.

So, did it fit down the basement stairs?

Sorry, couldn't resist. I want a pin so bad, but can't justify the expense since I'm a fan of newer, non-EM pins.

Ken Layton · « **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2006, 06:31:26 pm »

First thing to do with Trizone is replace both the male and femal interboard connectors between the driver board and cpu board.

Check for blown fuses and make sure the correct value fuses are installed.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #15 on:** July 10, 2006, 06:49:05 pm »

I just got the Tri Zone into the house. It isn't set up yet, but I've been looking at the boards. No battery corrosion, thank god. Looks to be a few burnt up resistors and diodes. Need to replace, along with the main filter cap, the interboard connectors, and probably a transistor or two on the driver board.

ChadTower · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2006, 07:57:50 am »

Before you even power it up, take 5 minutes and verify all coils for proper resistance. A melty coil can blow transistors on the driver board instantly and it doesn't take long to verify them.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2006, 01:33:33 pm »

I did, and no problems. Only problem with the machine at this point is a stuck solenoid for the "Z" drop target. I clipped the wire to make sure, and the game works fine without that coil.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #18 on:** July 29, 2006, 11:02:21 am »

Coming up next: A 1972 Williams Honey

Ken Layton · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2006, 05:34:46 pm »

Honey is one of my favorites! One of Williams' best electromechanicals.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2006, 09:29:47 pm »

The Honey fell through. The playfield was really beat up. A Mata Hari might be up next, though.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2006, 02:42:26 pm »

Just came back from Wayne show. Got a 1979 Williams "Stellar Wars". Not working, backglass is an 8.5. Playfield has wear around the pop bumpers, but not too bad. Badly needs new rubbers. Cabinet is in good shape, but the head is kinda falling apart, nothing a few angle brackets won't fix. Machine supposedly working, but constantly scores. Either a stuck switch or a bad 7404 chip on the driver board. Got it for $350

ChadTower · « **Reply #22 on:** August 07, 2006, 04:21:12 pm »

Quote from: USSEnterprise on August 05, 2006, 02:42:26 pm

Just came back from Wayne show. Got a 1979 Williams "Stellar Wars". Not working, backglass is an 8.5. Playfield has wear around the pop bumpers, but not too bad. Badly needs new rubbers. Cabinet is in good shape, but the head is kinda falling apart, nothing a few angle brackets won't fix. Machine supposedly working, but constantly scores. Either a stuck switch or a bad 7404 chip on the driver board. Got it for $350

Geez, bro. Don't use angle brackets. Fix the cabinet. Clean the corner joint and add a glued triangle support. Angle brackets are a poor hack that will further devalue the machine and won't work half as well as doing it right.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #23 on:** August 07, 2006, 05:01:54 pm »

They'd be better than the current screws that are sticking out of the cabinet. Triangle supports it is. Luckily I didn't buy anything yet.

ChadTower · « **Reply #24 on:** August 07, 2006, 05:03:36 pm »

Quote from: USSEnterprise on August 07, 2006, 05:01:54 pm

They'd be better than the current screws that are sticking out of the cabinet. Triangle supports it is. Luckily I didn't buy anything yet.

Yeah. If you're going to fix it, fix it. Don't remove a truly ---smurfy--- hack just to put in a less ---smurfy--- hack.


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