Anyone see superman returns ?

[rlemmon]

What did ya think ? I thought it was good but not great. It was 2 hours and fortyfive minutes long !  There was way to much fluff crap about Lois being pissed at him for leaving without saying goodbuy and whatknot.

I really had high hopes for Kevin spacey as Lex but he was kind of boring and his whole master plan deal was a bit lame. I did like brandon routh though, he did a nice job. They showed the spiderman 3 trailer it looks awesome.
Ron

[SithMaster]

i agree with everything but the thing about lex.  ever ytmnd lex vs connery.  no yes ahahaha wrong.

unfortunately i didnt get to see the trailer since they didnt show it so i watched it on ign and i wish i hadnt paid to superman and waited for this instead.  i didnt see venom but he better be in there since it has to do with the symboiate? spelling?

[SirPeale]

I thought the movie was excellent.  The things I was a little peeved about was the whole thing with Lois/Clark's kid.  There was no sense that they had that kind of relationship at all.  I mean come on...after they got all hot-and-bothered together, Superman didn't tell her that he was Clark?

*shrug*

[shmokes]

They were together as Clark and Lois in an earlier film.  Superman even gave up all his powers.  But then he decided being normal sucked and he made her forget all that.

I saw it at the iMax theater so there was a bunch of cool 3D stuff.  If you're going to see the movie I'd highly recommend seeing it this way.  It was pretty cool.

[SithMaster]

he didnt tell her he was clark cos then hed have to get married and hes superman he doesnt get tied down.  he says hot chicks all the time and how do you think he gets rewarded bown shika bown wown?spelling?

[SirPeale]

They were together as Clark and Lois in an earlier film.  Superman even gave up all his powers.  But then he decided being normal sucked and he made her forget all that.

Ah yeah, that's right.  Been a while since I saw Superman II.

[Circo]

They were together as Clark and Lois in an earlier film.  Superman even gave up all his powers.  But then he decided being normal sucked and he made her forget all that.

I saw it at the iMax theater so there was a bunch of cool 3D stuff.  If you're going to see the movie I'd highly recommend seeing it this way.  It was pretty cool.

Except isn't this film supposed to be a sequel to the first original film?  So that means the stuff from 2, 3, or 4 would not apply.

[SirPeale]

They were together as Clark and Lois in an earlier film.  Superman even gave up all his powers.  But then he decided being normal sucked and he made her forget all that.

I saw it at the iMax theater so there was a bunch of cool 3D stuff.  If you're going to see the movie I'd highly recommend seeing it this way.  It was pretty cool.

Except isn't this film supposed to be a sequel to the first original film?  So that means the stuff from 2, 3, or 4 would not apply.

Actually, I thought it was just 3 & 4.

[AtomSmasher]

Actually, I thought it was just 3 & 4.

Yup, they're just pretending like 3 & 4 never happened since they both sucked big time and no one probably remembers them anyways.

[sirwoogie]

Haven't seen it yet, but I plan to go to iMax when I do see it. Yes, this is continuation of the Donner legacy; doesn't count the III and IV movies. Personally I didn't think III was all that bad, it had it's moments (while far fetched and silly... but again, this is Superman). IV was so poor, I can't even believe it wasn't "straight to home video" material. I hear that a bunch of stuff was cut from that movie, so perhaps the editing room floor material might have made the movie somewhat treatable.

[MYX]

I didn't see Richard Pryor in it anywhere. 

I saw it and thought they did a beautuful job with the effects. I thought the story was confusing and contradictory with other storylines. So I was never sure why certain things were happening.

I liked Spacy as Lex and thought that his girlfriend was perfect. Perfect ditz.
Super guy pulled it off well.

Louis "I forgot you were so warm"... Please...

Why did Super boy not do more?!?

[lokki]

I didnt see venom but he better be in there since it has to do with the symboiate? spelling?

Not sure if Venom will be on this one. (at least I doubt he will be in it much, probably will be the main enemy on Spiderman 4) .

[AtomSmasher]

I didnt see venom but he better be in there since it has to do with the symboiate? spelling?

Not sure if Venom will be on this one. (at least I doubt he will be in it much, probably will be the main enemy on Spiderman 4) .

Um, Venom is definately in Spiderman 3, why do you think spiderman is black and they show the black "goo" climbing up his leg when he's sleeping.  They're doing the part of the Venom story where venom is spiderman.  Theres also going to be a third villian in the movie, but I don't know if they've announced who yet, probably the hob goblin or lizardman since they started their storylines in previous movies.

[shmokes]

Pisses me off.  They don't need to put a thousand villians in one movie.  It just waters it down and makes substantial character development impossible.  Spiderman was great with one villian.  Spiderman 2 was great with one villian.  Why mess with that?

[shardian]

I am fairly sure that the spidey movie will center around spidey's conflicts with the symbiote, and the climax will be him parting ways with it. This movie will introduce Eddie Brock, and the very end of the movie will show Brock joining with the symbiote. We will get a brief look at Venom before role credits. This is just my opinion, but I would almost be willing to put money on it. I know Sam Raimi wouldn't pull a "Batman and Robin" on us. (BTW, I still have never watched that movie. I almost threw up when I saw what they did to Bane)

To be on topic, no I haven't seen Superman, and won't until Video. I am just too leery of spending hard earned money on it.

Would like seeing the 3d stuff at IMAX though. Any detailed opinions of that from anyone??

[shmokes]

Well . . . it's hard to say.  It was cool.  Fun.  It didn't add anything to the story.  It just made for some cool effects.  I would say that given a choice between the two you should absolutely see the Imax version, but it would not be worth seeing twice just to see the 3D effects if you already saw it in a regular theater (unless, of course, you were planning to see it again anyway).

So, there it is.  You see all the same scenes in the regular version so you don't miss anything important by waiting for the DVD.  The 3D is really cool, but not nearly on the level of the Terminator 3D show at universal studios where the liquid metal monster is reaching out of the screen and taking swipes just a few inches in front of your face, etc. 

[lokki]

I didnt see venom but he better be in there since it has to do with the symboiate? spelling?

Not sure if Venom will be on this one. (at least I doubt he will be in it much, probably will be the main enemy on Spiderman 4) .

Um, Venom is definately in Spiderman 3, why do you think spiderman is black and they show the black "goo" climbing up his leg when he's sleeping.  They're doing the part of the Venom story where venom is spiderman.  Theres also going to be a third villian in the movie, but I don't know if they've announced who yet, probably the hob goblin or lizardman since they started their storylines in previous movies.

I don't think the symbiote is Venom. I think Eddie and the symbiote are venom. The symbiote will be there, but venom (symbiote +
 eddie) I don't think he will appear for more than a few seconds. So from that it kind of follows that SpiderMan was never Venom. But Spiderman wearing the symbiote

[shardian]

Well . . . it's hard to say.  It was cool.  Fun.  It didn't add anything to the story.  It just made for some cool effects.  I would say that given a choice between the two you should absolutely see the Imax version, but it would not be worth seeing twice just to see the 3D effects if you already saw it in a regular theater (unless, of course, you were planning to see it again anyway).

So, there it is.  You see all the same scenes in the regular version so you don't miss anything important by waiting for the DVD.  The 3D is really cool, but not nearly on the level of the Terminator 3D show at universal studios where the liquid metal monster is reaching out of the screen and taking swipes just a few inches in front of your face, etc. 

I was going to ask if you could compare it to T2 3D. Are you a frikkin mind reader??? Anyways, that is very dissapointing. I read an article in popular science where they are talking up this new 3d technology as blowing away the current 3d stuff in use.

[shmokes]

Please refer to the title underneath my name.

[AtomSmasher]

I was going to ask if you could compare it to T2 3D. Are you a frikkin mind reader??? Anyways, that is very dissapointing. I read an article in popular science where they are talking up this new 3d technology as blowing away the current 3d stuff in use.

But how does it compare to Captain EO?

I don't think the symbiote is Venom. I think Eddie and the symbiote are venom. The symbiote will be there, but venom (symbiote +
 eddie) I don't think he will appear for more than a few seconds. So from that it kind of follows that SpiderMan was never Venom. But Spiderman wearing the symbiote

You may be right about that, although after doing a little searching Topher Grace (from That 70's show) is signed on to be Eddie Brock so you may be right about Venom only making an appearance at the end.  I always figured the symbiote itself was venom since he was still called venom after eddie brock died and he found a new host, but after doing a little checking it seems he wasn't called venom until he joined with eddie brock.

[Dartful Dodger]

Spiderman 3

Plot Outline: A specimen from the moon gives Spider-man new powers and a black suit, while Spider-man must battle the second Green Goblin, Sandman, Venom, and other dangers. (view trailer)

It looks like Carnage is one of the other dangers.

[ChadTower]

After a while the symbolism was too damn much.  If he descended from the Heavens with his arms out at their sides, wrists limp, and his ankles crossed one more time I was going to have to piss on the seat in front of me in protest.  A couple of Jesus poses is fine but every third shot of him in the air was a "son of God" crucifixion image.  We get the point, Superman son of Jor-El "I sent them my only son to guide their way" saviour boy.  No need to give him a kryptonite crown of thorns for half the movie.

[SirPeale]

I always figured the symbiote itself was venom since he was still called venom after eddie brock died and he found a new host, but after doing a little checking it seems he wasn't called venom until he joined with eddie brock.

Wow, it has been a very long time since I have read comics.  Eddie Brock died?  How/Why? Who's the new Venom?

[delta88]

Superman returns ==> Love story

[versapak]

It did have a little too much fluff for my tastes, but overall I enjoyed the movie quite a bit.

I actually liked the movie a lot more than I thought I would going in.

I wasn't sure about Brandon Routh before seeing the movie, but thought he did an excellent job.

I never had any doubts about Spacey as Lex, and he didn't dissapoint. As for the comment on his master plan being lame...

It was no more lame than his master plan from the first Christopher Reeve movie. I have never been a follower of the comic books, so I have no clue how Hackman or Spacey portrayals and master plans compare to the Superman roots, but just thinking of comic book master plans in general it sure seemed to be normal to me.

The movie very much felt like it belonged right there along side the Reeve movies (The good ones anyway. I kind of liked the 3rd, but have no problem pretending the 4th never happened).

[AtomSmasher]

Wow, it has been a very long time since I have read comics.  Eddie Brock died?  How/Why? Who's the new Venom?

Checked wikipedia he apparently didn't die, but barely survived a suicide attempt.  He was dieing from a disease before Venom ever got a hold of him though, so I always assumed he died.  Apparently I'm not very good at making assumptions.  There were two venoms after eddie brock, the one I knew about was when he joined with the scorpion and was in the sinister 12.
Heres the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_(Spiderman_villain)#Character_history

[lokki]

Spiderman 3

Plot Outline: A specimen from the moon gives Spider-man new powers and a black suit, while Spider-man must battle the second Green Goblin, Sandman, Venom, and other dangers. (view trailer)

It looks like Carnage is one of the other dangers.

Hard to know what to believe. Last time I read about this (a couple of months ago). Venom would only appear a few seconds. Now rumor is that Sandman and Venom team up agains spidey and green goblin helps. (But there are a few recent posts that claim Venom does not show up for more than a few seconds so who knows) Haven't read anything that sounds legitmate on Carnage...

[shmokes]

Isn't Carnage Venom's offspring?  If so it seems like they'd be moving pretty fast to introduce the Symbiote, Venom, and Venom's offspring all in the same movie.

[shardian]

Yes, Carnage is Venom's "kid". I have heard no word whatsoever of carnage being in the movie.

[clanggedin]

In the trailer they don't show Venom, they just show Spidey in his cosmic suit and a glimpse of Sandman and Hobgoblin. I believe this movie focuses more on his struggle with the symbiote and his fight with the Hobgoblin and Sandman with Venom making a brief appearance near the end of the movie.

They have to leave Venom for Spiderman IV.

I'm going to see Superman this week after I see PotC

[ChadTower]

The movie was half decent, better than the Spiderman movies, but not all that great.  It seriously lacked any humanity, any reason to give a crap what happened to anybody in the film.  Spacey was terrible, didn't capture any part of Luthor's persona except for his ambition.

They spent WAY too much energy on the imagery and not nearly enough on the characters.  It's a very, very common problem in these blockbusters.

[shmokes]

You're nuts.  The spiderman movies were fantastic.  I thought Superman Returns was pretty good, but I can understand and even agree with many of the things people didn't like about it (though the christianity symbolism never even occurred to me and I'd have to see it again to see if I thought there was anything there or just your imagination).  Spiderman, though . . . both 1 and 2 were near flawless movies.

[ChadTower]

I used to be a huge fan of the Spiderman comics and had hoped they would be more faithful to the actual stories and characters.  Sadly, they really weren't, and completely changed too many things for my liking.  So I say they were disappointing.

I mean, come on, they changed one of the most important flaws in the Spiderman persona - the mechanics of his webshooters and that they had a tendency to either deplete or fail at the least convenient times.  That is an important part of the Spiderman character and yet in the movies he can actually shoot webbing out of his wrists.  Why? 

[AtomSmasher]

I mean, come on, they changed one of the most important flaws in the Spiderman persona - the mechanics of his webshooters and that they had a tendency to either deplete or fail at the least convenient times.  That is an important part of the Spiderman character and yet in the movies he can actually shoot webbing out of his wrists.  Why? 

because its much easier for the audience to believe its just another power instead of Parker making one of the greatest inventions ever.  Thats one change I actually agreed with.

[jbox]

because its much easier for the audience to believe its just another power instead of Parker making one of the greatest inventions ever.  Thats one change I actually agreed with.

Because people don't like smart people being all, smarty pants on them any more (take the presidential election). Batman orders parts and gets someone else to build it, superman gets a magic green crystal to build his fortress and never builds anything, so why should spiderman be smart either? Only Mr Fantastic retained any intelligence in the movies, and he ended up being "fixed" by casting him with Hornblower (I always got the impression he was much older). People don't like smart hereos any more, it makes them feel dumb, so voila, no more smart hereos in the movies despite all three of these characters originally being protrayed as using their intelligence and devices they construct over and over again.

[shmokes]

One thing I get a kick out of is that Superman's costume is invulnerable except to kryptonite.  It can survive the flame associated with falling into the atmosphere from outer space.  It can survive an impact that causes a 10-foot deep crater in the ground.  It can survive a 50 caliber chaingun firing into the chest at point-blank range.  It can survive flying through natural gas pipes while they are in the process of exploding.  But a shard of kryptonite can cut through it like butter.   

[jbox]

In the modern comic of the Flash, he makes a claim that part of his super power is projecting a tiny little aura around him that explains why his suit doesn't burst into flames or isn't cut to ribbons every time he takes off. That could be one reason. 

The other reason is that in some of the different 'versions' of superman, Ma Kent actually makes his costume out of his baby-blanket, which since it came from Krypton with him is similarly "super powered". Of course, she would have need a kryptonite sewing machine to actually do it though...   

Besides, costumes have always fallen under artistic license. Characters like the Thing, the Hulk, Thor and even Wolverine regularly go through earth-shattering fights only to finally triumph with just enough loin cloth remaining to conceal their "secret weapon". 

[shmokes]

Yeah . . . it's just one of those things you have to ignore if you like comic book movies, which I do.  They're funny, but there are just some inconsistencies that must be allowed when you're watching a movie about someone who is faster than a speeding bullet and can leap tall buildings in a single bound.

Now if Del Toro will just hurry up and get Hellboy 2 off the ground.

[SNAAKE]

it was allright for a "super hero movie" I guess.

batman begins was better though.

I didn't see Richard Pryor in it anywhere. 

 

[SirPeale]

I mean, come on, they changed one of the most important flaws in the Spiderman persona - the mechanics of his webshooters and that they had a tendency to either deplete or fail at the least convenient times.  That is an important part of the Spiderman character and yet in the movies he can actually shoot webbing out of his wrists.  Why? 

I have to agree with this change as well.  It's more easily explained than the whole mechanics of coming up with a miracle device and chemical compound that the braniacs @ 3M have not been able to do.

Also, in #2 they do fail at a couple critical moments.