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X men 3
« on: May 28, 2006, 07:08:12 pm »
I really liked it. Some nice twist throughout. What did you guys think.
If you go to see it make sure you stay untill after the credits. There is a extra sean there that you will want to see. :o

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2006, 07:39:19 pm »
I liked it.  Not as good as the first two, but still good.  Also, I don't know about an extra sean, but there is an extra scene after the credits  ;D

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2006, 08:38:17 pm »
Everyone likes a little ass, but knowone likes a smartass :laugh2:
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Re: X men 3
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2006, 09:28:19 pm »
you only know one who likes a smartass because I know at least two?   oh, you meant no one   8) ;D  sorry, I couldn't resist

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2006, 12:38:44 pm »
The extra's name is Shawn, isn't it?
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Re: X men 3
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2006, 07:55:48 pm »
"It startled him even more when just after he was awarded the Galactic Institute's Prize for Extreme Cleverness he got lynched by a rampaging mob of respectable physicists who had finally realized that the one thing they really couldn't stand was a smartass."
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Re: X men 3
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2006, 01:38:08 pm »
I like it quite a bit, but not as much as X2.  My buddy, who is a comic book purist, had some issues with it...

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2006, 01:57:17 pm »
Would have been great movie except for the following:

* The he/she Arclight character ruined it for me  ;D
The whole movie, me and the wife kept debating whether it was a fugly woman, or a cross-dressing guy.

*Seriously though, isn't it kind of pathetic when Magneto considers some lame guy whose power is making 3" long spikes pop out of his skin an "A" teamer?

*Another note on the horrible writing for magneto: Do you really think that someone as highly intelligent as Magneto would leave behind his confidant, (Mystique) who happens to know EVERYTHING he does. I can suspend my disbelief for the action, but did they hire some 13 year old kid to write the script???

I kept an eye on production of this movie, and the pictures really had me thinking this would be a great movie.

One last note: If I was James Marsden, when I read the script I would've threw the script in the producers face and said "F&#% You!" And I thought he got screwed in X2...even the he/she got more screentime than him! I never have liked cyclops, but dang!

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2006, 02:01:14 pm »
Loved the movie from a great sci-fi action summer blockbuster sense.. 2 thumbs up!

But as a once long time X-Men reader some of it was disappointing.. (which could be said of all the comic-movies, but moreso in this one, to me at least).  Still; 2 thumbs up!

Better movie than the 1st one, not as good as the 2nd...

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2006, 03:01:46 pm »
Would have been great movie except for the following:

* The he/she Arclight character ruined it for me  ;D
The whole movie, me and the wife kept debating whether it was a fugly woman, or a cross-dressing guy.

*Seriously though, isn't it kind of pathetic when Magneto considers some lame guy whose power is making 3" long spikes pop out of his skin an "A" teamer?
I completely agree with these, but they were just minor annoyances to me.

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*Another note on the horrible writing for magneto: Do you really think that someone as highly intelligent as Magneto would leave behind his confidant, (Mystique) who happens to know EVERYTHING he does. I can suspend my disbelief for the action, but did they hire some 13 year old kid to write the script???
didn't he actually use that to his advantage?  He left the multiple man (no idea what his name is) as a decoy in the spot where Mystique thought his base was, making sure that they didn't look elsewhere for him until it was too late.

One thing that kind of bugged me was how the Juggernaut lost his powers even though he's actually not a mutant.  I suppose its easier for audiences to believe they're all mutants rather then explain that some get their powers through magic.  Also, I thought his line "I'm the Juggernaut, ---smurf---" was hilarious, but I'm guessing the majority of the people seeing the movie never saw the internet clip it was reffering to, so most people probably thought it was just really lame writing.

Heres the clip I'm referring to if you've never seen it:

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2006, 03:08:11 pm »

didn't he actually use that to his advantage?  He left the multiple man (no idea what his name is) as a decoy in the spot where Mystique thought his base was, making sure that they didn't look elsewhere for him until it was too late.

technically, yes. Although I was thinking more along the line of everything else she knew...

It may also be assumed that magneto meant to abandon base anyways since Wolverine found them.

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2006, 05:55:07 pm »
I heard the reason James Marsden had so little screen time was that he was busy with superman returns.

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2006, 07:04:23 am »


am i the only one here who thinks X2 blew and X3 redeems? also, i laughed out loud when i read the credits and saw that hank mcoy was played by kelsey grsmmer. thats so funny! i mean, even vinnie jones was recognisable- just rtwice his normal size!  i didnt know about kelsey befoer hand. im impressed as well because that nmeans the whole of the character is CGI. i guess maybe kelsey did some acting and they put the CGI over it?  or did he just read his part- cartoon style? i also feel redeemed for all those years of staying until the end of the credits. the best reward i got from doing that was for thre movie '28 days later'. there was fully 5 minutes of a completely different ending after the credits (",)


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Re: X men 3
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2006, 08:01:38 am »
That was all makeup and wire work on Kelsey Grammer's beast. How did you not recognize his voice?

The difference between X2 & X3 was that X2 actually had a real, intelligent story in place. Also, Magneto was made into a complete retard in X3. He used and outsmarted everyone in X2.
And about that little clip after the credits, do you really think moral high horse Prof. X would do what he did? They threw that crap in there just for shock value.

One last comment, what was Rogue doing in the danger room? In the movies she doesn't have any fighting/defense skills at all. Kind of pointless, no?

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2006, 05:05:01 pm »
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And about that little clip after the credits, do you really think moral high horse Prof. X would do what he did?

Yep. When times are hard like that, some times you gotta just take the jump.  :-\

On another note. Without giving too much away. I was glad at the direction they took the movie in. I honestly like X3 better than both of the other ones. Being able to do what they did with the characters was great. I'm just surprised that they didn't have any transition between Hank McCoy and Beast. He was in X2 without the make up on, and in X3 he's just like "BOOM! Mutant!"
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Re: X men 3
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2006, 07:15:31 pm »
Heres the clip I'm referring to if you've never seen it:

OMG, that's too funny.

Even my wife liked it.

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2006, 11:04:16 am »
All that talk about "Class 3" mutants was so incrediably lame, it honestly felt like they had swiped the script from a 13 y.o.'s web site. Add to that the bridge nonsense, plus the following, and I wouldn't be suprised if the script really was some fanboy's ill conceived dream story:
- Mystique's metal convoy.
- Only three students go? The big M will rule the world, but apparently no-one else wants to give their lives if necessary? Super-fast basketball kid, baby banshee, there must have been other kids who could have at least helped.
- Not a single mutant was a govt mole??
- Leech vs Leech mutant powers should be more wacky.
- Stealth mode? Wasn't that storm's job previously?

Also, the first half of the movie was annoying because I was trying to pick who that damn kid was! Bloody ancients! :)
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Re: X men 3
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2006, 11:44:50 am »
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I HATED HATED HATED it.

From the very beginning everyone had different personalities.  Xavier was suddenly an ---sufferer of cranial-rectal-inversion---, e.g.,  "I don't have to explain myself . . . Least of all to you!". 

And then the basic idea for the movie was, "Here's what we'll do . . . we'll take all the best characters and kill them in the first 15 minutes.  Then we'll introduce so many new characters that it's impossiible to give them more than about 15 minutes each of screen time.

It was retarded.  I couldn't comprehend how I was supposed to be cheering for the X-Men in this film.  They were DEFENDING and FIGHTING ALONG SIDE the people who had a weaponized "cure" that was obviously meant for them (remember, the school was already raided by the government in the last movie).  The fact that it was weaponized proved beyond any doubt that Magneto was absolutely correct in his assumptions about the humans' intentions.  And then, in a fit of inexcusable lack of decency the X-Men actually used this weapon on Magneto (though why it never occurred to Wolverine to use it on Jean instead of his claws at the end is a mystery).

Minor complaints include:

- Juggernaut is not a mutant.  That little bald kid would have no effect on him.  IIRC he found some space crystal that makes him strong and invincible (except for his head, hence the helmet).  He doesn't have an X gene.

- Okay, so close proximity to the kid suppresses mutant powers so Beast's hand quit being blue when he shook the kid's hand.  But, presumably his power isn't magically appearing hair.  Why did the fur on his arm just suddenly reappear (or disappear, for that matter) after walking away from?  Presumably, in spite of his mutant powers, his hair grows.

- What in the name of god was holding the Golden Gate Bridge up once it was connecting the mainland to Alcatraz?  It no longer had any cables or pilings in the ocean floor.  It was just a single stretch of concrete and steel stretching across the bay.

- Why was it broad daylight when Magneto dropped the bridge on the guard tower on the Alcatraz island, but in the next instant the middle of the night?

- Why was Angel (I thought his name was Arcangel) even in the movie?

List of characters killed in the movie:

- Cyclops
- Xavier
- Jean Grey
- Magneto
- Mystique
- Rogue
- Nightcrawler (not dead, but inexplicably absent and treated as though he never existed)

Here's an interesting bit.  Someone told me that if you sit all the way through the credits it is suggested that only Xavier's body was destroyed and that his mind is now in another body.  This jives with his first scene where he's discussing with his students the ethicality of transferring a terminally ill person's brain into the body of a person with no capability for consious thought.

At first I was wondering how in the name of god Brett Ratner had got Warner Bros. (or is it Fox?) to greenlight a script where he was going to destroy so many of their lucrative properties.  But then it occurred to me that everybody's three-movie contracts are now up.  Now, to make X-men 4 you have a huge ensemble of actors with all kinds of leverage.  Hugh Jackman can say, "Sure, I'll be in X-Men 4, but not for less than $25 mil.."  Patrick Steward, Famke Janssen, Halle Berry, the Cyclops guy, Ian McKellen,  Rebecca Stamos, etc. etc. all have tons of leverage to command sallaries that would make the movie impossible from a financial standpoint.  I think some lame-ass bean counters at the studio actually wanted characters killed off so that when they made the next movie fans wouldn't be screaming bloody murder that they either left important characters out or had someone else play the role.  And the stunt with Xavier means that they can even keep his character without having to pay top dollar to Patrick Stewart to get him to reprise his role.

This is, of course, a retarded move that basically ensures that the franchise is going to go even further downhill than The Last Stand has already taken it.  Why so many businessmen are unable to see that in the long-term it is not profitable to rape your properties of their value by selling out for the short-term buck is beyond me.  You see it all the time with basically everything, from Tomb Raider videogames to the Batman movie franchise (both of which have been redeemed by their most recent iterations).  But I digress . . .

To make a long story short, this movie sucked ass.

edit: I notice that some of the points I made have already been mentioned above....sorry for redundencies
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Re: X men 3
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2006, 01:04:27 pm »
I disagree with some, but not all, of what you said.  I'm not going to try and defend the movie since it definately wasn't a great movie and strayed pretty far from the comics, so theres a lot you can complain about, even though I enjoyed it.  But I'll point a couple of things:
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Why was Angel (I thought his name was Arcangel) even in the movie?
His name originally was angel, he was one of the original 4 X-Men in the comics (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Angel, and Beast), it wasn't until later that he became Archangel.  Also, you mention the beasts hair and turning blue disappearing, you could argue that the kids power completely removes anything related to being a mutant, but technically neither of those traits are mutant related so they shouldn't even be effected.  Beast turned blue and hairy after a lab accident, he originally looked human (ok, more neanderthal then human) and even has a brief cameo in X2 without being blue.
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Re: X men 3
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2006, 01:20:51 pm »
Just a note on Shmokes' list of dead characters.

Magneto's ability to shake the chess piece at the end of the movie would lead some to believe that the "cure" isn't perfect... thus Magneto is not defnitely "dead"

The scene after the credits does exist.  My girlfriend laughed at me when I made her sit through the credits.  This would lead some to believe that Xavier is also not "dead"

If you take this idea a bit farther, and think that the cure may not be foolproof, the "death" of Rogue and Mystique is also uncertain.

The bridge part really bugged me too though.  Why didn't it just collapse into the water? Why'd it become dark?  Pretty lame if you ask me.  I enjoyed the movie, it was fun to watch, but it certainly disappointed me on a lot of levels.
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Re: X men 3
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2006, 04:27:10 am »
Just a note on Shmokes' list of dead characters.

Magneto's ability to shake the chess piece at the end of the movie would lead some to believe that the "cure" isn't perfect... thus Magneto is not defnitely "dead"

The scene after the credits does exist.  My girlfriend laughed at me when I made her sit through the credits.  This would lead some to believe that Xavier is also not "dead"

If you take this idea a bit farther, and think that the cure may not be foolproof, the "death" of Rogue and Mystique is also uncertain.

The bridge part really bugged me too though.  Why didn't it just collapse into the water? Why'd it become dark?  Pretty lame if you ask me.  I enjoyed the movie, it was fun to watch, but it certainly disappointed me on a lot of levels.

Also, since in the comics, Phoenix was not really Jean Grey, but rather an Alien thing that copied her DNA (or something along those lines), the can argueably bring back jean grey.

They also didn't show Cyclops dying, and since he went crazy and wandered off anyway, they could easily bring him back saying that he had some crazy spell and hid in the woods and phoenix really didn't kill him after all.

So in reality...They didn't officially kill anybody, if you follow the comic version of the phoenix story. However, that would be a first for the movies to care about what the comic books had for a plot.

The whole movie was trying to shock it's audience to make them think that everthing was all ending, and then spent the last few minutes with a big "Just Kidding!" It really made the whole thing pointless and lame in the end...

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2006, 07:58:10 am »
ok, ok. i must admit the bridge bugged me too. but not for the reasons you guys noticed (which hadnt even occurred to me). what buigged me was the fadt he even got the bridge. why not just get a ferry?


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Re: X men 3
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2006, 08:03:53 am »
ok, ok. i must admit the bridge bugged me too. but not for the reasons you guys noticed (which hadnt even occurred to me). what buigged me was the fadt he even got the bridge. why not just get a ferry?

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2006, 08:06:57 am »
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Why was Angel (I thought his name was Arcangel) even in the movie?

Angel doesn't become Archangel until Apocalypse gets hold of him, gives him the metal wings, and makes him leader of the Four Horsemen.

Also, wan't the Juggernaut Xavier's half-brother or stepbrother?  There is no hint of recognition between the two at Jean Grey's house...

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Re: X men 3
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2006, 03:10:02 am »


im also coming from a 'never read the comic book' angle. you guys are comic geeks  ;)


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Re: X men 3
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2006, 04:02:56 pm »
I didn't read the comics either. I did watch the cartoon when I was a kid though. From what I understand, the cartoon was somewhat faithful to the comics.