PS3 - Released in November at $499 for 20gig model/$599 for 60gig

[shmokes]

I used to love the PS2 dualshock controller until I started playing the Burnout games on Xbox.  I really like the dual analog triggers on the Xbox controller.  In Burnout, I can hit the brake while holding down the gas and get into a good skid.  How do you do that with the PS2 controller?  Isn't the right analog stick up for gas and down for brake?

FWIW, two of the shoulder buttons on the PS3 controller are analog like the Xbox/Gamecube triggers.

[markrvp]

I used to love the PS2 dualshock controller until I started playing the Burnout games on Xbox.  I really like the dual analog triggers on the Xbox controller.  In Burnout, I can hit the brake while holding down the gas and get into a good skid.  How do you do that with the PS2 controller?  Isn't the right analog stick up for gas and down for brake?

FWIW, two of the shoulder buttons on the PS3 controller are analog like the Xbox/Gamecube triggers.

That will be awesome!

[SNAAKE]

I used to love the PS2 dualshock controller until I started playing the Burnout games on Xbox.  I really like the dual analog triggers on the Xbox controller.  In Burnout, I can hit the brake while holding down the gas and get into a good skid.  How do you do that with the PS2 controller?  Isn't the right analog stick up for gas and down for brake?

uh..for ps2 controller its R2 button for gas and L2 for brake and all ps2 buttons are analog. you have an xbox racer cabinet..what you doing playing burnout with a controller ??

[markrvp]

I used to love the PS2 dualshock controller until I started playing the Burnout games on Xbox.  I really like the dual analog triggers on the Xbox controller.  In Burnout, I can hit the brake while holding down the gas and get into a good skid.  How do you do that with the PS2 controller?  Isn't the right analog stick up for gas and down for brake?

uh..for ps2 controller its R2 button for gas and L2 for brake and all ps2 buttons are analog. you have an xbox racer cabinet..what you doing playing burnout with a controller ??

Burnout 3 and Burnout Revenge are the two driving games I prefer to use the controller on.  I stomp too much on the pedals trying to slide around curves.  It's just something I got used to.  The driving cabinet is still new. 

So the PS2 buttons are pressure sensitive?  I just got Gran Turismo 4 and I didn't read the instructions.  Do the R2 and L2 buttons automatically map to gas and brake or do I have to set that up in the game?

[SNAAKE]

yeah all buttons on ps2 controller are pressure sensative but I dunno anything about GT. that game is whack..little TOO real

[shmokes]

PS2 buttons are pressure sensitive, but they don't have the travel and tactile feedback of a good analog trigger.

[farmecologist]

I think the reason the Blu-Ray tech won't be a really big selling point is because it seems like more of an *evolution* of the DVD rather than the *revolution* that the DVD format was.  Frankly, a good majority of folks that currently have PS2s probably just don't have the resources to shell out $600 for the system/player AND the proper setup to take advantage of it.   It seems targeted to more of the high end market. 

Of course, I have been proven wrong many times before :-).

I'm also appalled a the price of the 'next gen' games.  Luckily, my kids are happy playing used GBA games..for now.   .  Has anyone heard what sony is targeting in terms of price?  I assume similar to the X360?
   

[SirPoonga]

PS2 buttons are pressure sensitive, but they don't have the travel and tactile feedback of a good analog trigger.

'They are pressure sensative, but not analog.  They have two "levels" of setecting.  For example.  If you play GTA Vice City and press a button half way down your car will go slow.  If oyu press it all the way down it goes fast.  But it is just two speeds, not varyinf levels of speed.  That's how they can detect how hard you pushed the button, by how fast you trigger both button states.

Actually, there aren't many game that take advantage of it.  Some of hte fighting games do.  The harder you push the button the harder your punch is.  GTA uses is.  But otherwise you don't see it being used too much.

Glad Sony finally desided to copy everyone else on the analog triggers.  I love the triggers on the dreamcast and 360.  Perfect for racing games.  I like controlling the gas and brake with those versus the analog stick.  I think the cube's triggers are analog too.  I don't have any games that use them as analog though.

[AtomSmasher]

PS2 buttons are pressure sensitive, but they don't have the travel and tactile feedback of a good analog trigger.

'They are pressure sensative, but not analog.  They have two "levels" of setecting.  For example.  If you play GTA Vice City and press a button half way down your car will go slow.  If oyu press it all the way down it goes fast.  But it is just two speeds, not varyinf levels of speed.  That's how they can detect how hard you pushed the button, by how fast you trigger both button states.

I'm not sure about the shoulder buttons, but I know thats not true for the rest of the buttons.  I believe their all capable of detecting 256 different levels of pressure, granted it doesn't have the same feel as an analog trigger but it has the same functionality.

[Grasshopper]

I don't actually see pressure sensitive buttons as a good thing from our perspective because it makes it harder to hack controllers to arcade controls. Of course if very few games actually use the pressure sensitive facility then I suppose it doesn't matter.

[SirPoonga]

Computer sees the buttons just fine.   But not the pressure sesative part.  I have a PS2 to usb convertor and have had no problems with my ps2 controller on a pc. 

[shmokes]

Yeah....IIRC it detects far more than two different pressures, but I just don't think it translates well into a game when they feel just like regular on/off digital buttons.  I wonder if the PS3 controller will keep the feature.  If you ask me it's pretty worthless and hardly used.

To be perfectly honest, I'm really excited for the PS3.  I really hope it succeeds and the price comes down a bit cos I don't have a PS2 and I was counting on going back and playing the gems like God of War and Shadow of the Colossus, etc.  Also, I've just not been that excited about the X360 and really don't like the controllers very much.

Of course, I'll own a Wii on launch day.  Hopefully PS3 will come down to the $300-$400 range within a year or so. 

[SirPoonga]

If the price comes down I woul dbe willing to get it.

I want a PS2 and I am thinking of getting one when the PS3 comes out.  Hopefully they will be cheap then.  There's a program called HD Loader which will run games off a PS2 hard drive without a mod chip.

If the PS3 was cheaper I'd get that instead since it is suppose to be backwards compatible.  I could still do the HD Loader thing but still play the new stuff.