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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2006, 11:54:28 pm »
for a sec i thought this was the memeber uss enterprise against the death star.

how about this
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2006, 10:30:58 pm »
that was a one man show... enterprize HAH!  :laugh2:

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2006, 10:32:26 pm »
for a sec i thought this was the memeber uss enterprise against the death star.

how about this
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lolz, that was pretty clever... "the crowbar comment"

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2006, 12:15:52 am »
different universes. different technologies. different standards. I hate these arguments.

I did think this might have had something to do with me.
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2006, 02:46:14 am »
different universes. different technologies. different standards. I hate these arguments.

I did think this might have had something to do with me.


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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2006, 03:59:56 am »
It doesn't matter who would win because Chuck Norris would kick both their asses anyway.

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2006, 10:57:05 am »
I like the one about the storm troopers meeting the red shirts.....

storm troopers can't hit the broad side of a barn, but one of the red shirts has to die.....AHHH!!   :dizzy:

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2006, 02:14:46 pm »
The USS Enterprise vs. the CVN-65 Enterprise.

I'm guessing the one with hanging from fishing line with a paper mache hull would lose.

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2006, 03:13:39 pm »
different universes. different technologies. different standards. I hate these arguments.


I don't want to rock your world too hard or anything so I'm going to try to go easy here. Neither of them are real, so it's okay to make these harmless little jokes. I'm a pretty big Star Trek/ Star Wars fan too, so I completely understand if you need to take a deep breath and go lie down for a while.

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2006, 03:23:21 pm »
I hate people who hate pointless arguments.

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2006, 04:04:57 pm »
well the only problem i have with the question of who would win is that its a ship against a battlestation.  if it was a star destoryer against the enterprise or maybe even a corellian corvette then it would be better but they arent in the same class.

but the death star would win hell even the unfinished one would win but that would be bad since as we all know is under the control of IG-88 and he was going to make all droids go kill everything.

on a side note has anyone read the vader, fett, solo, leia, chewie, and lando lunch scene?  its on stuffo and its probably been mentioned before.
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2006, 03:32:43 am »
I do find the technology "vs" questions to be a little pointless, since each universe has it's own little quirks. I much prefer the people 1-on-1's, like:

IG-88 vs Data
Tarkin vs Picard
Solo vs Kirk
Chewie vs Worf
Leia vs Tasha
Fett vs Odo
Yuhzann Vong vs Jem-ha Dar
Twi-lek vs Vorta
R2-D2 vs Wesley
Jawa vs Ferengi
C-3PO vs Spot?

No weapons, just the personal abilities they each lay claim to. One of my favourite Top-10 lists though has got to be:

Top 10 Reasons the Star Wars Characters Would Kick Butt in the
Star Trek Universe:


10. In the Star Wars universe, weapons are very rarely set to
"stun."

9. The Enterprise needs a huge engine room with an anti-matter unit
and a crew of twenty just to go into warp -- the Millennium Falcon
does the same thing with R2-D2 and a Wookiee.

8. After resisting the Imperial torture droid and Darth Vader,
Princess Leia still looked fresh and desirable. After pithy
Cardassian starvation torture, Picard looked like hell.

7. Jabba the Hutt would eat Harry Mudd for trying to cut in on his
action.

6. Luke Skywalker is not obsessed with sleeping with every alien he
encounters.

5. One word: "light sabers".

4. The Federation would have to attempt to liberate any ship named
Slave I.

3. Darth Vader could choke the entire Borg empire with one glance.

2. Picard pilots the Enterprise through an asteroid belt at
one-quarter impulse power. Han Solo floors it.

1. The Death Star doesn't care if a world is class "M" or not.
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2006, 03:57:29 pm »
hehe
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2006, 05:47:40 pm »
I'd rather see the Death Star vs a Borg Cube.  That's a more fair fight.
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2006, 07:44:41 am »
I'd rather see the Death Star vs a Borg Cube.  That's a more fair fight.

Not at all. The Death Star has been destroyed *twice*. On the other side, with the Borg Cube, "resistence is futile". No colour...
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2006, 11:11:19 am »
Cubes! We don't need no stinkin' cubes!

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2006, 08:12:37 pm »
I'd rather see the Death Star vs a Borg Cube.  That's a more fair fight.
How fast can a death star aquire a target and fire?  I expect its main weapon is enough to destroy the borg cube, but that wouldn't matter once the borg board the death star and start assimalating the crew.

How about Death Star vs. Defiant from DS9?  Standard starfleet tactics would have the first shots target the enemies weapons, followed by engines.

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2006, 05:35:21 am »
Gonna have to put my nerd hat on for a second because no one seems to have enough super-geek knowledge of both universes to see how one-sided the argument is.  (And it's not how you think.)

The enterprise would have no trouble defeating the death star, here's why.

1.  Star Wars Ships can only reach the speed of light, Star Trek Ships go faster than the speed of light (when the enterprise goes to impulse they often refer to that as sub-light speed, meaning that when they go to warp they are exceeding it).  Also the technologies are different.  While in star wars they can only jump from point a to point b in star trek you can navigate while in warp (assumingly due to superior computer technology, but that'll be discussed later). 

The death star can't move at all (or if it can we can assume it moves slowly as it has no visible means of propulsion), so all the enterprise would have to do is position itself behind the death-star's firing dish immediately after falling out of warp.  I'm sure it can rotate to aim, or else it'd be really lame, but come on, you know it takes 5 minutes.  Nothing large ever moves fast in a star wars movie.

2. Star Trek ships not only go faster, they accelerate faster.  In the star wars universe they always have to "calculate the course for light jump" in star trek scotty kicks in in high, the engine warms up and away they go. 

3. The star trek universe has superior scanning technology.  In star wars they actually have to manually scan an object to get readings and rather than setting a computer target, they usually have to do things manually.  On the enterprise the computer just magically uses the sensors and it works.  The enterprise would find the flaw in the death star in a matter of minutes.

4. Believe it or not, the firepower of the enterprise is equal or almost equaled to the firepower of the death star.  On several episodes, even on the original series it is discussed as a given that the enterprise could easily destroy the face of a planet by firing a barrage of photon torpedos and  emitting a wide beam of phazer fire (assumingly heating up the surface until it burns).  While the death star literally makes the planet explode, that would require around the same amount of energy to do, the only difference is while the death star takes several seconds(or minutes?  I forget) to charge and fire a beam the enterprise can immediately begin to fire it's barrage.  Forget about flying down a trench, the enterprise just needs to fire on that side of the death star and eventually they'll destroy the target.

5.  Transporter technology.... if all else fails jim can just beam a photon torpedo in the center of the star.  Boom!, no more crew to run the thing.

6.  Some of you are thinking "hey doesn't the death star have a shield?"  Well yes it does, but we can assume that shields in the star trek universe are very similar to sheilds in the star wars universe (both invisible, both energy based, ect.)  The difference is while in the star wars universe weapons can't penetrate or weaken a shield, in the star trek universe they can. Remember in the star wars movies they seem rather amazed that a vessel that large would have a shield.  We can then assume they their weapons aren't designed to penetrate them as shields aren't an established common-place.  On star trek everything has sheilding technology and thus all weapons are designed to disrupt shielding patterns. If the enterprise hits the star enough in one location it's shields will fail. 

But even if we were to ignore this fact, all of the other points above give Kirk and crew ample stalling time to infiltrate the death star and lower the shields some how.  I mean luke and the gang did it, and they are idiots(kinda cool rag-tag-esque idiots, but still idiots).


7.  Tie fighters aren't as sturdy as shuttlecraft.  Probably the only way for the death star to penetrate the enterprise's shields would be to fly a bunch of tie fighters into it (a possibility) or to fire it's super beam at it, which we've already deemed unlikely as the deat star is soo frikkin slow to move, to aim, and to fire.  The tie fighters wouldn't pose that much of a threat as they are very fragile compared to star trek ships.  Star Wars tech seems to be based on the real-life principle that space ships, particularly short range ones don't have to be very sturdy as they are in a weightless environment.  Star Trek ships are waaay over-designed and even short range ships have re-enforced bulkheads and built in shields.  A couple of shuttlecrafts could probably put up enough of a fight to hold off tie-fighters long enough to complete the mission.  Mind you the tie-fighters are faster and more manuverable, but the firepower is about even and apparently you just just bump into a tie-fighter at speed and make it explode.  On the other hand shuttle craft have commonly survivied crash-landing straight into a planet falling at full speed.  Those things might be ugly and slow, but they sure are tough.

 

8.  Even if you dispute all of the stuff above there is absolutely no way the death star could win. This one is very very important.  Star Wars has it's own "science"  and sticks to those rules... a ship can only go so fast, a blaster can only penetrate so much ect.  Back in TOS days star trek had no logical scientific basis what-so-ever.  They often went to and past warp 10, something deemed impossible on star trek voyager.  They sling-shot around the sun to time travel, again something deemed completely impossible in future series.  They constantly changed the power and maximum yield of the enterprise.  In all episodes regarding time-travel they broke more paradox laws than I can count.  And in all of the original episodes the good guys NEVER lost. 

So even if we are going to dispute the science, we can't dispute the fact that Kirk can't loose because he is Kirk.  ;)


(p.s.  I would like to point out that I am not biased in any way.  Above my head sits a talking yoda and a r2-d2 phone and in the drawer behind me sits my communicator badge from STTNG and some autographs from the various actors on the various series.)

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2006, 07:21:17 am »
1.  Star Wars Ships can only reach the speed of light,

What? And you call that "super-geek knowledge of both universes"? Ugh. Stopped reading after this, sorry 8)
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2006, 09:09:23 am »
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8. Sulu stands up, crabs his crotch, and screams, "Hey Captain! Plot a course for THIS!"


I'd have to give the nod to the Enterprise just because of this post over at grudgematch.  Darn near choked to death I was laughing so hard....

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2006, 10:28:48 am »
1.  Star Wars Ships can only reach the speed of light,
What? And you call that "super-geek knowledge of both universes"? Ugh. Stopped reading after this, sorry 8)
Heh, glad I wasn't the only one scratching my head over that nonsense.  :applaud:
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2006, 12:54:40 pm »
So even if we are going to dispute the science, we can't dispute the fact that Kirk can't loose because he is Kirk.  ;)

Kirk died.

Darth Vader returned from the dead.

Consider yourself disputed.

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2006, 01:26:43 pm »
Man I can't believe I'm adding to this discussion, but:

Quote from: Han Solo
She'll make point five past light speed.


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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2006, 04:52:38 pm »
Man I can't believe I'm adding to this discussion, but:

Quote from: Han Solo
She'll make point five past light speed.



Ok assuming you are correct (han solo is a notorious bragger so anything he says can't be tursted.). 

.5 past light speed?  As in warp 1.5?  That's still pretty dang slow, especially if that thing is the fastest ship of it's class in the galaxy. 


Anyway, ignore the speed if you must, the other 7 points still hold true and pretty much can't be disputed. 

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2006, 05:01:06 pm »
So even if we are going to dispute the science, we can't dispute the fact that Kirk can't loose because he is Kirk.  ;)

Kirk died.

Darth Vader returned from the dead.

Consider yourself disputed.

Got it wrong.  Darth Vader died and showed himself as a spirit at the end of the original three films (spirits can't do anything in star wars except complain).  (And no, he didn't die at the end of the third prequel he just got the crap kicked out of him.)

Part of Kirk died when he fell into the nexxus.  When Picard asked what was left of kirk to come back he "pulled himself together" and essentially came back to life.  And then died. 

So darth vader died and kirk came back from the dead.  :P

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2006, 05:32:04 pm »
About the speed of light. Technically speaking, neither ships ST or SW can travel faster than the speed of light in the four-dimensional space continuum. ST ships deform the space, making it move, and they move with it at sub-light speeds. So locally, they still go at minus c. However, since they are dragged by the space deformation, the ship ends in a different point in space at an "total" absurdly high speed. Like surfing a wave.

The SW ships don't travel faster than the speed of light in the four-dimensional space-time continuum either. As Han says, the Falcon can travel at 50% of c, and not more. But they have "hyperdrives", which create a wormhole or something, which is just a shortcut between two points in space. The ship travels thru the wormhole also at sub-light speeds. Of course, this allows to arrive at destination in a matter of hours instead of thousand of years. Remember that in the SW universe, a powerful enough ship can literally go to any place in the galaxy in hours (the exact quote escapes right now). It would be a rather boring universe if ships couldn't arrive to the next star in less than years. Even X-Wing had hyperspace capability.

So, for normal space travel, neither go at speed light. For interstellar, specialesque travel, both go faster than light. But you couldn't say that one goes faster than light while the other doesn't. Note that I'm not a freak of this stuff. I had to search at which speed the SW ships did travel and learnt all this.

However, the battle was not between both universes. It was between the Death Star and the Enterprise. Both have the capability to travel faster than light.

Btw, can the Death Star use its huge TIE fighter armada, including other ships like transporters, bombers, etc?
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2006, 07:54:14 pm »
Anyway, ignore the speed if you must, the other 7 points still hold true and pretty much can't be disputed. 
Well, apart from the fact that you pretty much just made them up.

- How did the D* get from Alderaan to Yavin?
- SW ships have to be more careful because they move *faster*. They cross huge swaths of the galaxy per jump, while the ST ships wander along. Think freeway planning v.s. foot traffic at the local wal-mart.
- ISDs have actually been used to raze planet surfaces before, yet the D* has 100x more turbo-lasers than an ISD does. Your claim that scorching the surface of a boulder requires the same energy as destroying the entire boulder is pretty silly.
- They weren't "amazed" the D* had a shield, they were surprised that the Emperor already knew they were planning the attack at that time. All of the heavy fighters in the SW universe were pretty much designed as "bunker busters" to try and punch through the shields of capital ships.
- Yes, ST has transporters. Why aren't people jumping up and down about the fact that the D* has dozens of tractor beams and thousands of ion cannons. Shields, what shields?  >:D

Saying "well these two weapons are equal" doesn't actually make them so. The only point you really made was that ST always has the magic power of techno-babble to save them. Of course, Vader could always just deflect the phaser fire with his hand and toss Kirk off the bridge with the flick of his wrist...  :cheers:
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2006, 05:11:03 pm »
Isn't the enterprise immune to all lasers?

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2006, 06:27:55 pm »



Yes it is.... phazer technology is one step beyond blaster technology. 

Every technology in the star trek universe is beyond star wars tech, but I thought I would assume they are equal do there would be a valid argument. 



And yes it does take the same amount of energy to make a planet explode as it does to destroy the surface.  All it takes to make a planet explode is a concentrated laser beam focused on a single spot for a looong time until the beam reaches the planet's core and boom! It doesn't take much energy at all, but it does take time. Thus why the death star is slow slow to fire, and the delay after the firing before teh explosion. Notice I said lazer.  Star trek ships have phazers and photon torpedos.  Again, I was being generous before.   

Star Wars is all about mystical magic and crap.  Star Trek is all about the tech. 

I like both genres equally, but I'm not stupid enough to pretened that star wars has good technology, it's the fact that they don't have good technology that made the stories so compelling.  (They had to work for a victory.)

On the other hand it's all the cool gadgets and interpersonal relationships that made star trek compelling. 

Since the force doesn't factor that much into the equation considering the emperor never leaves his throne room (isn't even present on the first death star).  And vaders powers seem to be limited to his concentration, it comes down to the guys who know tech and the guys who don't. 

The death star is big, but I don't really see how that makes any difference.  Everything in the star wars universe is oversized because their tech is further behind and thus it has to be made bigger.  Take a look at the millenium falcon, only that tiny bubble in the front the two gunnery pods, and the connecting hallways are liveable areas of the ship, the rest is engine and crap. 


The death star didn't move, it re-aimed.  It was always at Yavin and amied at alderaan from there.

And no, you are thinking of the second death star, in which they were suprised the star was fully operational.  Shields in SW are not uncommon, but a shield that covers anything sizeable is uncommon.  Planetary shields are common-place on star trek.

Ion cannons are a nothing weapon in the star trek universe... as a matter of fact whenever they run into a ship that can't stand a chance they usually say something like "just a couple of ion-based weapons, they couldn't even penetrate our shields."  The enterprise has tractor beams too.  Tractor beams can't be used on a ship when it's shields are up. 


pi is correct in his explaination btw, but i didn't want to get that technical. 

When I meant fast, though, I meant fast while being able to navigate/fight.  Star Wars ships jump, star trek ships to not. 

And actually, star trek ships DO travel faster then the speed of light.  They create a warp-bubble around the ship that alters time and space.  Technically the ship doesn't move at all, but the warp bubble creates a rapidly expanding distortion in the universe that propels time and space within the bubble beyond the speed of light.  Or something like that, I'm not smart enough to get it completely right. 

Anyway the point is, in star wars they essentially travel through a jump gate (wormhole) meaning they can only move in a straight line and if they happen to hit anything while jumping they are dead.  The ships really only go at the equivelent of impulse speed though.  So while this little trick is nifty for traveling, it is completely useless for fighting.  Btw star trek also does this trick on ds9 (an artificially created wormhole).

On the other hand a ship traveling at warp can change course and direction on the fly.  While fighting at warp usually isn't done because it can be dangerous, it is possible.  Also, and more importantly, dodging while flying towards a target is possible. (See any fight with the borg)  This really isn't an issue though as only a ship traveling at warp can fire at a ship traveling at warp with an intersecting warp bubble.  Since the destortion for the bubble essentially puts anything inside it out of phaze with the rest of the universe it would be impossible for any of the SW ships to fire upon the enterprise while traveling.  They'd just have to get in, blow it up, and get out.

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2006, 06:43:33 pm »
The death star didn't move, it re-aimed.  It was always at Yavin and amied at alderaan from there.
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2006, 07:46:32 pm »
The death star didn't move, it re-aimed.  It was always at Yavin and amied at alderaan from there.
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I'd have to agree with jbox on this one.  I just did a quick search for a star wars map online and Yavin is located about 1/3 the way across the galaxy, I don't think even the death star has that kind of range.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Propulsion/Map.jpg

Heres a web site where they put a lot of thought into the death stars propulsion: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ds/propulsion.html

death star > enterprise

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2006, 11:38:56 pm »
It's not an uncommon misconception that the Death Star was basically just a super-laser and nothing else, since this is the main way it is portrayed in the movie. But it's significance was much greater than that, it was basically a mobile army and air force all by itself. So, once an enemy planet surrenders, what then? How do you round up the rebel leaders? How do you confiscate weapons, sieze crops? Do you just keep saying, "oh, and polish my boots or I'll blow up the planet"? No, once the offending planet lowered its planetary shield, the rest of the D* would come alive.

The D* contained squadrons of TIE bombers, At-Ats and At-Sts, legions of troopers, armouries, and so on. The surface is covered with weapons and tractor beams. And the whole thing is ray shielded, which means that energy weapons will be practically useless. That's why they didn't risk their capital ships in the first movie, because they are totally useless against a D* once it is up and running. Sure you could keep firing torpedo after torpedo if you want, killing hundreds or thousands with each shot, but it would still be like picking up grains of sand one at a time on the beach. Which is why *both* attacks on the D*s revolved around getting small fighters (which are virtually impossible to hit with heavy weapons) close enough to fire explosive rounds into the reactor core itself. A construction of that scale is a mammoth undertaking, which is why it was only after conquering over two thirds of an entire galaxy that the Empire had the funds necessary to build one. By contrast, the Federation spans something like a quarter of a quarter of the galaxy.

It's now painfully obvious to the real "super geeks" on this board you haven't really read any source material about star wars, and are just guessing what goes on in between. In case anyone else is still on the fence though:

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And yes it does take the same amount of energy to make a planet explode as it does to destroy the surface.  All it takes to make a planet explode is a concentrated laser beam focused on a single spot for a looong time until the beam reaches the planet's core and boom!
This is B-grade sci-fi schlock. The surface of the Earth is something like 1% of it's radius, never mind that you really only need to knock off about 100 metres of top-soil and water to render a planet useless for another million years. Go to the nearest forest and find a boulder at least a metre wide covered in moss. I bet I can scrape all the moss off in about five minutes with my bare hands, so I'll happily give you ten times that to smash the boulder with your hands instead.  :banghead:

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it's the fact that they don't have good technology that made the stories so compelling.
No, it's the fact they were severely outnumbered against the bad guys that made them so compelling. It's a sci-fi alamo, or Biggles in Space if you prefer.

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Take a look at the millenium falcon, only that tiny bubble in the front the two gunnery pods, and the connecting hallways are liveable areas of the ship, the rest is engine and crap. 
Looking at my cross-section book right now I see several cargo areas, crew quarters, a small galley and the second docking area are all pressurized, explaining how it was possible for them to evacuate 100+ refugees from the doomed planet of Sernpidal.

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The death star didn't move, it re-aimed.  It was always at Yavin and amied at alderaan from there.
T: Tell me where the Rebel base is!
L: Never!
(an aide walks up)
A: Oh, sorry, did you want to know where the *Rebel* base is sir? I plain forgot it was right here in this system ever since we finished building the D*. We just figured that all those enemy ships building a base in our own backyard wasn't important.

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flash back - the MF arrives in the Alderaan system, only to discover it has been destroyed. As they ponder this they are buzzed by a TIE.
O: ... It's only a short range fighter
and yet somehow, without jumping to light speed, they end up at the D*!


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Shields in SW are not uncommon, but a shield that covers anything sizeable is uncommon.  Planetary shields are common-place on star trek.
I think that was the other way around. In the middle of being hunted by the entire Imperial fleet the rebels were able to cobble together enough parts to build a shield sufficiently strong to cover their entire base. Alderaan had a planetary shield, google for the frame-by-frames someone has done showing you the brief 0.1 seconds of glare you get against the superlaser as it initially is resisted by this shield. Thrawn needed to use a Jedi and a cloaking device to develop a ruse to get around the fact that the agricultural planets he initially wanted to conquer all had planetary shields. Coruscant has never fallen to anything less than a massive incursion due to having multiple planetary shields. All of the ship yards in SW have large shields protecting them from anything but a major fleet offensive.

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Tractor beams can't be used on a ship when it's shields are up.
I'm not a Star Trek "super-geek" like you, but if that was the case why was it such a big deal when:
- founder Bashir *edit - alien body snatcher had the real Bashir on a shuttle and was going to destroy the shuttle by deliberately jumping to warp while tractor beamed
- Picard gets crazied by a Feringi bauble, and since nobody wants to destroy the ship he is on Data works out how to tractor beam it edit - that should read "Data works out how to get a tractor lock on it faster than it can get a weapons lock on the Enterprise
If, as you claim, you can't tractor a shielded ship, in both cases they could have just beamed them off.
- And why did they Ent-D lower it's shields when fighting the Borg so that they could use their tractor + cutting beam to swipe a whole bunch of the Ent-D away??

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When I meant fast, though, I meant fast while being able to navigate/fight.  Star Wars ships jump, star trek ships to not. 
Maybe the SW Admirals just aren't stupid enough to fight in empty space when they can very quickly move the fight to an area containing tactical obstacles each one can try and twist to their advantage?

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Or something like that, I'm not smart enough to get it completely right. 
And for the record, I *do* agree with that point.  :cheers:

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Since the destortion for the bubble essentially puts anything inside it out of phaze with the rest of the universe it would be impossible for any of the SW ships to fire upon the enterprise while traveling.  They'd just have to get in, blow it up, and get out.
- So the SW ships can't shoot at ST ships while they are at warp, and the ST ships can't shoot at the SW ships while they are jumping? Sounds even to me.
- The ST ships can maneuver, but the SW ships go faster. Sounds like it might be relatively even, since the ST ships may be able to out-flank a little better, but the SW ships can always call in re-enforcements much quicker.

Some edits not actually relevant to the discussion because I am a SW super-geek, not a ST one.
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2006, 10:43:32 am »
Wow.  :laugh2: :dizzy: :) :( ??? :-\ :laugh2:
Now in a tasty new flavour.

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2006, 10:56:20 am »
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2006, 01:24:40 pm »
Wow.  :laugh2: :dizzy: :) :( ??? :-\ :laugh2:

Gandalf the White can kick Albus Dumbledore's @ss.

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2006, 01:53:41 pm »
Gandalf the White can kick Albus Dumbledore's @ss.

What about Voldemort vs. evil Saruman?

Or even better, Hermione vs. Arwen? Hot one on one mud fight.
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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2006, 02:25:30 pm »
Or even better, Hermione vs. Arwen? Hot one on one mud fight.

I guess pedophilia isn't illegal on Jupiter?

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2006, 02:54:50 pm »
You guys are forgetting the fact the Spock or Data could analyze the "Force" and just re-configure an emitter to block it.

-or-

Bones\Crusher could synthesize some kind of compound to mimic Force powers 10 times that of the most powerful Jedi and inject it into the crew...

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Re: USS Enterprise vs. Death Star
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2006, 04:51:42 pm »
Or even better, Hermione vs. Arwen? Hot one on one mud fight.

I guess pedophilia isn't illegal on Jupiter?

I didn't realize that Emma Watson wasn't 18 yet.

Well, then Sigourney Weaver (Ripley) vs. any other movie heroine, ever. She would kick ass.
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