thanks guys

to many beers to yank the PC out of the box again.

I will look closer after work.
so.... It looks like the 20 pin mother board is what I am used to seeing.
not the 24 pin atx power supply
Is the change going to do away with the 4 pin that came out when P4's CPU's came out
that's the first thing that pops into my brain at the moment
just when I thought we have a standard . The MAN tosses me a curve ball

now...... I have to explain this to my father in law.
