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Olympic's new USA moron
« on: February 18, 2006, 12:47:03 pm »
I was watching a bit of the Olympics last night.  Yeah, it was tape delayed, but I hadn't caught the summary on the nightly news shows, so I decided to watch a bit of the snowboardcross competition.  (Honestly...they couldn't come up with a better title for that race???)
For those who haven't seen it, it's a 3000ish foot race down a hill with many turns.  Pretty neat, and potentially crazy stuff.  Seems that more often than not, all four riders don't make it to the bottom.  They usually bump into one another along the way, and one or two wipe out.  Bumping's legal, just not intentional pushing and whatnot.

Anyways, it was the women's comp.  The American, Lindsey Jacobellis, was in the finals.  The race started out great for her.  She managed to fight her way to the front of the pack, which is generally where you want to be, to be out of the jostling that can go on behind you, which causes crashes.  One rider caught some bad air five seconds into the race, and ended up being taken to the hospital, (where she was treated and released.)
Later, 3rd place made a mistake, and went flying to the side of the course, through the wobbly mesh stuff they line the sides with.  (She ended up finishing the race, and was shocked to hear she finished third.  Obviously unaware that the other rider at the top never got back up.)
That left 1st and 2nd.  Jacobellis had a HUGE lead.  Around 150 feet, which translated to about three seconds.  Skillfully negotiating the turns, she starting coming down the final straightaway to the finish line.
On the second to last jump, she pulls a showboat move (a "method air,") and lands awkwardly, ultimately landing on her back and sliding for a bit.
While getting up and getting started again, her lead disappears, and the Swede Tanja Frieden glides right past her, and finishes first, embracing friends in ecstasy while Jacobellis places second, very fortunate that the other competitors either never got back up, or fell so bad, that it took them forever to get back on the course.  If all three other riders had been still racing in the same area, Jacobellis no doubt wouldn't have even medaled.
Found a short slide show of the event, but forgive me, I'm a bit uneducated on how to make it a short url:
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So...now we look at the psychology of the situation.  Had her competitors been closer to her, obviously she'd have never pulled off that unsportsmanlike move right near them.  She thought she had it won, then lost it by showing off.

The part that really irked me the most of the situation though, was her trying to pass it off as if it wasn't her fault.  She initially claimed she caught some "bad air" or something, and tried to readjust.  Did she really think the entire world was that incompetent?  This is snowboardcross's Olympic debut, but we know showboating when we see it, regardless of the sport.  And there was no mistaking it in this sport.  That was blatant.  Hours later in a conference, she finally 'fessed up.

Now how can a person really EVER get past this.  She had it won.  All she had to do was lazily glide down the hill and sail past the finish line.  But she went stupid, and ended up losing because of it.  When asked shortly after the loss what she thought about the silver medal.  She replied (paraphasing,) "This is the Olympics.  A silver medal's a silver medal."  No doubt a ploy to shrug off the reporter, and avoid any more questions about the situation, by hinting that she's content with the silver.  Yeah right.  Who in the hell would be content with a silver after having the gold waiting for you at the finish line?  She didn't even have to race for it at the last half of the race.  It was literally WAITING for her to claim it as hers.

I suppose one day, when she has children/grandchildren, and they're in sports, she can use it as a motivational tool.  She can explain to them, "This is what happens when you screw around and showoff.  This was supposed to be gold.  This was supposed to mean I was the best in the world.  But I showboated, and I lost the gold because of it."

And on that same topic of showcasing the medal.  Would you display it, proud for all the world to see, knowing that it wasn't the one you wanted, the one that should've been?  I don't think I could.  It would be a constant reminder of one of the grandest failures in sports.  Certainly a majority of the people you live near would know your story, so you couldn't exactly parade the thing around like you were the second best.  You WERE the best, you just didn't have the gold to prove you were.  Most people would still be proud, but you'd still have a few of the pessimists (like me) pointing out "Shouldn't that be gold?"  Truly that would be a grating question.  I'd put that thing away, only to pull it out every once in awhile to remind myself.  Remind myself that modesty is a virtue.  Excessive pride will only bring you down.

Now to look at the opposite end of the spectrum.  What does Tanja Frieden really think?  Is the really a "win" in her book?  Is she proud of herself?  In all honesty, she's NOT the best, though the gold medal around her neck would argue otherwise.  Is this truly the way she wanted to win?  Off someone else screwing around?  Truly, she was beaten.  Badly.  She was around 3 seconds away from the lead.  That's an eternity in the Olympics.  (Hell, even for a fleeting few seconds, I thought maybe Jacobellis would recover in time, and still win.  It was a gigantic gap, and she was still sliding down, albeit on her back.)  Depending on Frieden's conscience, she MIGHT be able to justify her win, and think she's the best.  If that were me though, I don't think I'd be able to consider myself the best.  Not in that way.  I might be able to for awhile, but eventually it would get to me.  I'd be happy that I have the gold (who wouldn't be,) but in the back of my mind, I would know it shouldn't have been.  I'd be ITCHING for the chance to redeem myself.  (Apparently at the X Games, according to the news, Frieden had a lead over Jacobellis, but slightly relaxed at the end only to be passed and beaten by 0.29 seconds.  Sounds similar to this situation with the roles reversed, but the "relaxing" portion was multiplied exponentially.  So all things considered, this wasn't even a relatively similar situation.)  While this may be "payback" for what happened the last time, it still probably wouldn't feel "pure."

She, on the other hand, will showcase that gold for all the world to see.  If anyone asks her about the conditions leading to that gold, she MIGHT give a short one or two line answer about what truly happened, and may even answer an additional quick question, but would most likely try to change the subject. 

Everyone has their faults.  Jacobellis just decided to show hers at the wrong time, and it cost her her dreams.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2006, 01:53:57 pm by saint »
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2006, 01:57:55 pm »
I think she got what she deserved. Actually, I wish 2 others would have passed her and she would have got nothing! I HATE it when people do that kind of crap. It is all over sports and it really bugs me. I have no problem with people celebrating but you don't need to do crap like that.

I really hate it in football when a team is down by like 40 points and someone on the losing team makes a tackle and gets up and starts talking trash. YOU ARE DOWN BY 40 POINTS! SHUT THE F' UP!

I hope some kids will learn from this. Win with grace, don't try to show off. There is no need to try and rub it in. It just makes you look like an ass.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2006, 02:04:50 pm »
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2006, 04:07:35 pm »
Girl thought she had it won, tried to show off, fell, and lost the gold.  He thinks that she go what she deserves and it serves as a useful reinforcement for her future kids/grandkids  :P

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2006, 04:13:29 pm »
As much as I think she got what she deserved, and totally agree that she should have been passed by two more people and gotten nothing, it makes me wonder if it was pure gloating, or just the thrill of being the first medalist in a brand-new event. 

I'm sure I'd find it pretty hard not to celebrate a bit.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2006, 05:41:21 pm »
GOD I SAW THAT LIVE!

I was so ---smurfing--- pissed! I threw my hat (which I cherrish and treat better than my arcade) across the damn room.

I believe the exact words I used were, "You stupid ---smurfing--- ---smurfette---! What the ---fudgesicle--- were you thinking you show-boating whore"
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2006, 05:46:05 pm »
Just so you guys know, the show-boating chick in question is the girl in the VISA commercial.  The commercial has the girl at the top of the hill looking nervous with her coach trying to encourage her.  Finally the coach says, "Pretend like your Visa check card just got stolen," and then she smiles and says, "I'm good."

Cute girl, but bad decision.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2006, 06:03:41 pm »
Oh and like WE made good decisions when we were 20?  ;D

I feel kind of bad for her, she was feelin' the groove.  She had won, was feeling like a million bucks, and tried to pull a stunt.  Had she made it, it would have been on the highlight reel on American sports shows.  Give the chick a break.  It is snowboarding after all, not like its a sprot that matters :)
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2006, 10:49:58 pm »
Just so you guys know, the show-boating chick in question is the girl in the VISA commercial.  The commercial has the girl at the top of the hill looking nervous with her coach trying to encourage her.  Finally the coach says, "Pretend like your Visa check card just got stolen," and then she smiles and says, "I'm good."

Wow, I had totally forgotten about that...probably won't see those aired through the duration of the Olympics now.

And sure, on one hand, you feel bad for her, because who knows what we would've done in the same situation, but then on the other hand...well, that's what you get.

Gotta keep your eyes on the prize! 

I really hate it in football when a team is down by like 40 points and someone on the losing team makes a tackle and gets up and starts talking trash. YOU ARE DOWN BY 40 POINTS! SHUT THE F' UP!

Now THAT'S comedy!  If you're the guy who just got tackled, that's the EASIEST comeback in the world!

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 04:58:50 am »


dont be too hard on her! shes an AMERICAN sportsperson after all. you cant just throw a ball through the hoop, youve gotta jump up and hang off the freakin thing. youve gotta do goofy dances after every touch down and punch the air at every opportunity (oh, wait. Lleyton Hewitt does that too). until Lance Armstrong, no american Le Tour rider ever survived their victory because they had to show off and do a lap of honour  ;)

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2006, 09:50:06 am »
Watching it live, I said to my wife, jokingly, she'll probably hot dog it and fall.

I felt bad for her, but she is only 20.  I was a blithering idiot at 20, even though I thought I knew it all.

And you KNOW that the whole olympic world, with their anti-american sentiment, loved what happened.

I don't think the girl who actually won the gold cares.  Remember the US gymnast (last year?) who won the gold because someone tallied the scores wrong?  He got to keep the medal.  That's sad.

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2006, 10:02:02 am »
Ha. Ha. HA.

I cannot stand her.  She's in at least 200 commercials right now.  She's some sort of golden child.  We're all supposed to love her.  Ha. 

The original poster mentioned that the woman who did win gold has a tainted win, but I don't see it that way.  She stayed in the race despite being three seconds back, she raced well enough not to fall like the two behind her, and she (unlike goldielocks) kept her focus on the goal and not a spot for a highlight reel.  All-around, I think she did demonstrate that she was the best in the event.  It's not just about what the body does, but also the mental strength involved in performing. 

Screw the showoff. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2006, 10:22:08 am »
Wow - hope you never make a mistake in front of someone else.

Ha. Ha. HA.

I cannot stand her.  She's in at least 200 commercials right now.  She's some sort of golden child.  We're all supposed to love her.  Ha. 

The original poster mentioned that the woman who did win gold has a tainted win, but I don't see it that way.  She stayed in the race despite being three seconds back, she raced well enough not to fall like the two behind her, and she (unlike goldielocks) kept her focus on the goal and not a spot for a highlight reel.  All-around, I think she did demonstrate that she was the best in the event.  It's not just about what the body does, but also the mental strength involved in performing. 

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2006, 11:06:56 am »

There's a saying in football.  To win you have to play 60 minutes.  Not 50, not 55, not 59:45.  60 full minutes.  Teams that play less than 60 minutes get beaten in the end.

She didn't play 60 minutes and she didn't win.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2006, 11:11:05 am »
She didn't play 60 minutes and she didn't win.

That would be a hell of an exhausting snowboard run.  How high would the mountain have to be to stretch the race out that long?  ;D

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2006, 11:20:01 am »

Not high... just a run that goes back and forth.

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2006, 12:28:31 pm »
Soccer players have been killed for messing it up for their country, and that's a sissy game.

Luckily for her there were two things going for her, 1 It was just snow boarding, and 2 It was a token female event.

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2006, 12:43:11 pm »
Wow - hope you never make a mistake in front of someone else.

Ha. Ha. HA.

I cannot stand her.  She's in at least 200 commercials right now.  She's some sort of golden child.  We're all supposed to love her.  Ha. 

The original poster mentioned that the woman who did win gold has a tainted win, but I don't see it that way.  She stayed in the race despite being three seconds back, she raced well enough not to fall like the two behind her, and she (unlike goldielocks) kept her focus on the goal and not a spot for a highlight reel.  All-around, I think she did demonstrate that she was the best in the event.  It's not just about what the body does, but also the mental strength involved in performing. 

Screw the showoff. 

I've made mistakes in front of others before, but I've never been obviously cocky in front of others - especially in a situation that requires complete focus right up until the end.  See Chad's football saying.  She didn't put in the full effort, she tried to be a hot shot, so she deserves no more than what she got.  She's an olympian, she's supposed to be a world-class athlete.  I have no sympathy.  It would be entirely different if she made the jump carefully without the showboating and still fell.   

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2006, 01:05:22 pm »
Definitely -- she's reaping the rewards of her mistake -- I just don't understand hating on her.


There's a saying in football.  To win you have to play 60 minutes.  Not 50, not 55, not 59:45.  60 full minutes.  Teams that play less than 60 minutes get beaten in the end.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2006, 01:24:30 pm »
One word here: Blonde

heh. Such a shame. She'd seemed so nice, humble and level-headed in those Kelloggs videos...
http://www.kelloggs.com/brand/ttt/flash.html

But I'm glad this happened. It's a perfect example of American arrogance.

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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2006, 01:34:57 pm »
You know ....

I just watched the Italians win the 4-legged ski relay race.  It was pretty exciting. At the end of the 3rd leg the Italians had a 5 second lead. By the end of the 4th leg the Italian skier had boosted that to like 30 seconds.

With meters to go, he pulled off to the side, grabbed an Italian flag from a fan, mosied (seriously mosied) to the finish line, took some baby steps across it while hamming it up a bit.

I thought it was a humorous and stirring win for the home team, and I was cheering for them.

Was that Italian arrogance?




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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2006, 01:46:01 pm »
Maybe it was just a stupid 20-year-old snowboarder making a really dumb mistake that has nothing to do with her country of origin?  As if she had grown up a bit futher north she'd be above such exuberance?  ;D

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2006, 01:56:58 pm »
Was that Italian arrogance?

Americans are expected to win everything, so showing off is being arrogant.  The flukes that give the little countries a gold medal needs to be savored by the villagers of that country.

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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2006, 02:03:05 pm »
Was that Italian arrogance?

Yes.


Another angle to this: Whatever happened to aiming to set new records? How the hell do you break existing records by "mosiing" to the finish line? I don't get these people...
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2006, 02:06:49 pm »
Guess my point was: Why is it "American" arrogance instead of the action of one individual? I don't think Italians are arrogant because their skier hammed it up at the finish line.

Was that Italian arrogance?

Yes.


Another angle to this: Whatever happened to aiming to set new records? How the hell do you break existing records by "mosiing" to the finish line? I don't get these people...

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2006, 02:18:58 pm »
Guess my point was: Why is it "American" arrogance instead of the action of one individual?
It's not American arrogance.

You didn't see any of the other snowboard cross events, have you?  Almost everyone in qualifying did something on that last jump.  Almost every single guy in the mens competition did something on that jump too.

Ever watch motocross, snomobile cross, bmx, etc?  Almost all lead people on the last lap on the last tabletop does something.  Granted, most of those the finish line in on top of the tabletop so you fly over it.  But that's a big reason why the last obstacle in most of those events is a tabletop.  Competitors showoff at the end to psych up the crowd. 

If this mess up doing it then too bad, otherwise eh.  It's the nature of those type of sports.

Another angle to this: Whatever happened to aiming to set new records? How the hell do you break existing records by "mosiing" to the finish line? I don't get these people...
That makes sense if something was constant, but cross country isn't.  If the trrack was always the same then you can try to break records.  But since no two tracks are the same what kind of record do you expect to be broken?

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2006, 02:37:31 pm »

And doing such things creates unnecessary risk, leading to the potential to lose for no reason.  Which did happen.

It's not American arrogance, it's just plain arrogance, which is often its own punishment.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2006, 02:39:32 pm »
Me? I watched a ton of it, bunch of hot dogging :) I thought it was fairly impressive. Someone called the women's snowboarding a token sport, but they were getting some pretty big air as well and doing things I sure as hell couldn't... I don't mind the competitors getting excited and doing some hotdogging, you just pay the piper if you screw up.  They train for years, they sacrifice God knows what to get where they are, the adrenelin rush must be just huge ... so if they want to duck walk, snatch off their shirt and yell, grab a flag and carry it... doesn't bother me. Yeah, I think she screwed up and it cost her the gold - but she's still done more than most of us have ever done in our lives.

Pointing out she screwed up? Yeah. Calling her a loser because of it? Jeez....

On another note -- I've been enjoying most of the Olympics so far, but I'm sorry, and I apologize to anyone who'se offended in advance, but.... Curling just bores me to tears!  I've tried, I've tried to appreciate it for what it is, but.... Snnnzzzzzzzzzz......



It's not American arrogance.

You didn't see any of the other snowboard cross events, have you?  Almost everyone in qualifying did something on that last jump.  Almost every single guy in the mens competition did something on that jump too.

Ever watch motocross, snomobile cross, bmx, etc?  Almost all lead people on the last lap on the last tabletop does something.  Granted, most of those the finish line in on top of the tabletop so you fly over it.  But that's a big reason why the last obstacle in most of those events is a tabletop.  Competitors showoff at the end to psych up the crowd. 

If this mess up doing it then too bad, otherwise eh.  It's the nature of those type of sports.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2006, 02:42:33 pm »

The larger issue is that while she is an induhvidual competitor she is part of a larger Team USA to which she is accountable.  She could have brought a valuable gold to Team USA and instead her idiocy brought the team a silver.  She let her teammates down.  That is worse than letting yourself down by a mile.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2006, 02:54:27 pm »
Me?
You (plural, the other readers), not directly at you.  My point was that everyone in that sport does it.  She screwed up, yeah, her fault.  But don't act like none of the other competitors don't.  As you (singular, at saint) noted that it isn't only american.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2006, 02:59:30 pm »
but she's still done more than most of us have ever done in our lives.

I guess that would depend on what one values in life and who is comparing one person's life accomplishments to another's.  I don't think she should be ripped to shreds, but to be lifted above others is something I am not about to do.  I personally don't know anything about her so maybe she has done something to deserve such praise but I don't think there are many people I could make such a statement for.  I sure hope there is more to life than snowboarding (or any sport) to make ones mark in this world.

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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2006, 03:08:15 pm »
They train for years, they sacrifice God knows what to get where they are....

... which is exactly why they should take every second of their event completely seriously.  She trained for years and made loads of sacrifice for those 90 seconds of race time (or however long it took).  To take the last 2 or 3 of those seconds for granted is an insult to the years she put into preparation. 

And like Chad pointed out, when you're an olympic athlete, you're representing a team and a country.  No athlete from no country should be doing anything cute until a gold medal is already around their neck.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2006, 03:25:16 pm »
The only time I have ever in my life watched any olmpic even is when I happened to cross over the channel on my way to another channel.

So altogether the time I have watched the olympics would be then 1.2 minutes.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2006, 03:28:44 pm »
Nah, don't misunderstand me -- I don't put sports figures on a pedestal, I'm a fair-weather sports fan at best.

What I meant was: She picked something she enjoys, she worked to excel at it, she tried out and made the olympic team, and has travelled the world representing her country. Pretty good for a young woman.  She deserves props for that as well as anyone who lives life bold instead of sitting and watching it go by. It amazes me how many people have never travelled more than 100 miles from where they were born and don't have any ambition to do so.

She doofed up and should be embrarrased - yes, but she's got nothing to be ashamed about. The Austrian doping scandal - that's something to be ashamed about. Shani Davis' behavior after winning the gold - that was shameful (anyone catch the interview?). If I were Lindsey Jacobellis I'd be holding my head (mostly) high, though my cheeks would be red.

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but she's still done more than most of us have ever done in our lives.

I guess that would depend on what one values in life and who is comparing one person's life accomplishments to another's.  I don't think she should be ripped to shreds, but to be lifted above others is something I am not about to do.  I personally don't know anything about her so maybe she has done something to deserve such praise but I don't think there are many people I could make such a statement for.  I sure hope there is more to life than snowboarding (or any sport) to make ones mark in this world.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2006, 03:29:44 pm »
(By the way, this is a good point.)


The larger issue is that while she is an induhvidual competitor she is part of a larger Team USA to which she is accountable.  She could have brought a valuable gold to Team USA and instead her idiocy brought the team a silver.  She let her teammates down.  That is worse than letting yourself down by a mile.
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2006, 03:30:58 pm »
If I were Lindsay Jacobellis I would not be able to look another US Olympian in the eye.  Her arrogance cost her teammates a gold medal.

Anyone else would be irrelevant because accountability stays with teammates.  Fans... pfft, it's nice, but if they can't be happy with her silver than they should do better themselves.

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« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2006, 03:35:42 pm »
Bottom line is... does she wish she could undo what she did? Hells yeah! Then it was a dumb move. It's a great teaching tool for kids.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2006, 03:46:14 pm »
It amazes me how many people have never travelled more than 100 miles from where they were born and don't have any ambition to do so.

Different strokes for different folks.  Some people find a lifetime of purpose only miles from where they were born, some need to get away to feel some since of accomplishment, I think it has little to do with ambition though.

I guess the bottom line is "anything worth doing, it's worth doing right."  Bricklayer, Physician or Olympic Athlete all can have quiet fullfilling and purposefull lives.  But to compare ones accomplishments to another is an injustice.  Some people value money, some fame, some family, some religion, some ...

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2006, 03:48:41 pm »
... think that was the point I was trying to make, but missed apparently :) 

It amazes me how many people have never travelled more than 100 miles from where they were born and don't have any ambition to do so.

Different strokes for different folks.  Some people find a lifetime of purpose only miles from where they were born, some need to get away to feel some since of accomplishment, I think it has little to do with ambition though.

I guess the bottom line is "anything worth doing, it's worth doing right."  Bricklayer, Physician or Olympic Athlete all can have quiet fullfilling and purposefull lives.  But to compare ones accomplishments to another is an injustice.  Some people value money, some fame, some family, some religion, some ...
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2006, 03:55:14 pm »
... think that was the point I was trying to make, but missed apparently :) 

My brain is fried these days so I can miss the obvious, tends to happen this time of year.  After April 15th I should have a better comprehension level, until then only numbers make sense.   ;)

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2006, 04:01:16 pm »

No, he did miss his point, actually.  It came off that the only way to live life is to be out there doing large things.

Of course, I've known several Olympic athletes and I would definitely say that they are NOT living life.  They live a deprived, sheltered, shut in life of complete devotion to their sport.  There is a single mindedness to their sport that often goes so far as to deprive them of regular development of biological functions (e.g. female gymnasts often don't get their cycle until they are late teens or even in their 20s).

Sure, they are accomplishing something highly visible but it can be credibly argued that it is at the cost of a life, not in the service of one.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2006, 04:32:35 pm »
This thread reminds me of the scene in Monty Python's THE HOLY GRAIL where the villagers want to burn the witch.

"SHE HOT-DOGGED AT THE END, BURN HER"

"But she is young and impulsive.  We should remember that."

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« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2006, 04:34:34 pm »
We should find out if she floats.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2006, 04:34:43 pm »

On another note -- I've been enjoying most of the Olympics so far, but I'm sorry, and I apologize to anyone who'se offended in advance, but.... Curling just bores me to tears!  I've tried, I've tried to appreciate it for what it is, but.... Snnnzzzzzzzzzz......

You know, they like to say that it's popular 'up here' yet I don't know of anyone who would kick back with a beer, and invite 'the guys' over to watch curling.  They should do it with cars and icy parking lots.  THAT would be a cool sport!
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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2006, 04:39:18 pm »

I would so kick back with some beers on a frozen lake, cut a hole in it, and try to slide rocks into the hole.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2006, 04:40:14 pm »
Guess I did fail to make my point. My point was not to live life large, but to live life actively instead of as a spectator.  Substitute sports with political service, religious service, academic study, military service, whatever floats your boat.

I don't understand parents sacrificing a child's life to make them a star gymnast, or a star model, or a child actor, or some such -- I don't think snowboarding required sacrificing her childhood though I guess I could be wrong :)

Anyway this is straying from the original thread. 


No, he did miss his point, actually.  It came off that the only way to live life is to be out there doing large things.

Of course, I've known several Olympic athletes and I would definitely say that they are NOT living life.  They live a deprived, sheltered, shut in life of complete devotion to their sport.  There is a single mindedness to their sport that often goes so far as to deprive them of regular development of biological functions (e.g. female gymnasts often don't get their cycle until they are late teens or even in their 20s).

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2006, 04:41:16 pm »
I would probably do so *after* I'd had a few beers.


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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2006, 04:41:46 pm »

You can't drill a hole in a lake after a few beers.  You might fall in.  Safety, man.

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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2006, 04:45:59 pm »
Anyway this is straying from the original thread. 


That is the norm, not the exception.  It's not as bad here as in the place we dare not mention aloud.  ;)

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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2006, 04:52:56 pm »

Well, for Mark, that place is a very dark and chocolate place.  He has his own version of that Place Of Which We Dare Not Speak.

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« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2006, 04:58:01 pm »

Well, for Mark, that place is a very dark and chocolate place.  He has his own version of that Place Of Which We Dare Not Speak.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2006, 05:06:24 pm »

You can't drill a hole in a lake after a few beers.  You might fall in.  Safety, man.


You would be surprised how many beers you can ingest and still safely drill a hole in the ice on a lake.  It's not the number of beers that determine if it's safe to drill the hole, it's the thickness of the ice.  They have festivals around here to PROVE it's not the number of beers that matter ;D


I think it's odd that we're talking about this chick who did something in her event that cost her team a GOLD medal, even though they still DID medal, yet Bode "I went out and whooped it up last night and I don't need to walk the course" Miller is a first-class asshat (to me, anyhoo) who crapped all OVER the "Olympic spirit" by shunning staying in the Olympic village and opting to bring his tricked out rock star tour bus.  Even moreso, what about that jagenheimer Shani Davis who waited until FOUR HOURS before the USA team event to tell the coach he wasn't gonna race, and THEN basically state "there is no Shani in team....I made myself who I am so screw you all".

Anyone besides me want to charge that asshat for all the money that gets invested in these athletes - money that most certainly COULD have gone to someone else, but was SHARED with Shani?  That guy, in my book, was a first-class tool, and if you DIDN'T see the itnerview, you've simply GOT to find video of it.  I've never seen a bigger asshat in an interview after winning a gold medal.  I don't hope he gets hurt, but I'm damn sure rooting against him to get anything except a mouthful of anal vapors from the other guy on the ice who's kicking his ass.

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« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2006, 05:22:36 pm »
Heh. OK, I'm drinking beer now and ... well I'm not sure where I was going with that other than I'm drinking beer now.

Reminds me of when I was 18-25 back in Colorado. My buddies and I would get these giant inner tubes (like truck tire sized), and a bottle of hootch, and would go midnight sledding while getting tanked. Crystal clear, dark and cold Colorado night, steep hill that you can't see the bottom of, you and a couple of buddies sitting on this giant inner tube, sailing off into the abyss -- total blast, felt like flying! One time we were doing it near the railroad tracks, saw a train was coming, and decided to see how close we could get. Being only slightly out of my head, I bailed off the inner tube when I realized we were 20 yards away from the track and weren't slowing down.

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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2006, 05:24:37 pm »
You know, when I watched that I kept thinking there's got to be something more there -- like his dog just died, or his girlfriend just dumped him, or something, but I think you're right .... No class.

Even moreso, what about that jagenheimer Shani Davis who waited until FOUR HOURS before the USA team event to tell the coach he wasn't gonna race, and THEN basically state "there is no Shani in team....I made myself who I am so screw you all".

Anyone besides me want to charge that asshat for all the money that gets invested in these athletes - money that most certainly COULD have gone to someone else, but was SHARED with Shani?  That guy, in my book, was a first-class tool, and if you DIDN'T see the itnerview, you've simply GOT to find video of it.  I've never seen a bigger asshat in an interview after winning a gold medal.  I don't hope he gets hurt, but I'm damn sure rooting against him to get anything except a mouthful of anal vapors from the other guy on the ice who's kicking his ass.

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« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2006, 06:06:20 pm »
[You would be surprised how many beers you can ingest and still safely drill a hole in the ice on a lake. 


That sounds like a challenge!
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2006, 06:25:09 pm »
Remember the US gymnast (last year?) who won the gold because someone tallied the scores wrong?  He got to keep the medal.

Heck, they were pointing out that the Korean guy should've been docked points at different times in his routine, yet wasn't.  It all evens out.

To win you have to play 60 minutes.  Not 50, not 55, not 59:45.  60 full minutes.  Teams that play less than 60 minutes get beaten in the end.

Now you know that's not entirely true.  Many times a game's decided after the first half.  We all know the many times recently a Super Bowl was over after even the first quarter.  (Yet we continued to watch it only get even worse in the next 3 quarters!)

It would be entirely different if she made the jump carefully without the showboating and still fell.

Yes, it would've been.  Point is, she lost doing a move COMPLETELY unrelated to the sport of snowboardcross.  IMO she's the better of the two at the time, just unfortunate in the circumstance.  I bet she hits that move all the time when not competing.

All-around, I think she did demonstrate that she was the best in the event.

In the event?  I would disagree.  She was behind by an insurmountable gap that couldn't be erased by any means other than the other player being an idiot.  Overall, she's the smarter of the two...but who's to say that the exact same thing wouldn't have happened if the roles were reversed?  Ya never know...
While this is a longshot, if a 15-15 team in college basketball that wasn't even close to being on the radar of the AP polls ended up winning the tourney, do you think they'd be ranked number 1 on the final poll?  Of course they wouldn't.  They MIGHT be ranked, but definitely not #1.

Just because someone wins, doesn't mean they are the best.  Sometimes luck can play a role in determining who wins.

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Then you probably wouldn't like that movie about curling!  I think it was called something like "Men with Brooms."  It was on regular TV on a weekend, around a month ago or so.  Didn't recognize anyone on it either.  I watched the last 15 minutes.  It ended with someone sliding a stone (normal speed) and BREAKING it into a bunch of pieces, that all counted as points.  Really lame.

About Shani...at least he got the gold, so it slightly justifies his nature.  I haven't seen the interview yet, so I may alter my views on this position if I ever do see it.

So who's the bigger disappointment now?  Bode, or USA hockey??
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2006, 07:06:58 pm »
So who's the bigger disappointment now?  Bode, or USA hockey??
Bode

USA Hockey, is like USA Soccer, Americans don't care and aren't disappointed.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2006, 07:10:09 pm »
Considering I'm on record as saying I hoped Bode didn't win ANY medals, he's not a disappointment to me, he got exactly what his attitude towards the games pointed him to.

I didn't even KNOW there was women's hockey, so I guess I can't really answer the question.

I DON'T CARE if Shani Davis got himself a gold.  He was supported in his training for THAT event by the U.S. Olympic TEAM, who he LET DOWN.  If he'd have told them when first approached about skating the team even that he wasn't going to do it, you're talking an entirely different sentiment.  They'd ALSO have spent some of that precious Olympic training money for someone else who WOULD have skated in the team event.

The fact remains that the guy backed out and left no time to do anything but patchwork substitutions that almost worked anyway.  His public comments after backing out were also Olympic caliber - in their complete and utter lack of class and tact towards his "teammates". 

His arrogance and "me first" attitude are exactly what people are equating that chick's showboating to.  Is it just because he won a gold in something and that somehow absolves him from exhibiting common decency to his teammates and a reporter?
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2006, 10:17:10 pm »

USA Hockey, is like USA Soccer, Americans don't care and aren't disappointed.

You mean YOU don't care.  :P  Go to a Philly game sometime and tell me Americans don't care about hockey.  More like the States that are more interested in gator wrasslin' don't care about hockey  ;D
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2006, 10:27:41 pm »
I'll accept that he's half right.  Nobody cares about soccer.  And by nobody, I mean anybody who isn't me.  I'm an American.  It's what I do best.  Assume everyone not like me is a freak.  In your case Zakk, you're the one I point to when proving my case ;)

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2006, 10:32:28 pm »
Go to a Philly game sometime and tell me Americans don't care about hockey.

You'd just better not be wearing the visiting team's colors or we'll beat you in front of your kids.




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« Reply #61 on: February 20, 2006, 10:39:02 pm »
I hear ya on that.  I love watching a philly(home)/toronto game.  Toronto fans are the only ones crazy enough to show their colours at the game.  The BOOOOOOOOs start as soon as the first toronto player hits the ice!

You guys are like, the biggest booooers  ;D
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« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2006, 10:43:48 pm »
Hey man, we're a quality town.  I wonder how many other football stadiums have their own courtroom? ;)

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2006, 12:26:38 am »
Hey man, we're a quality town.  I wonder how many other football stadiums have their own courtroom? ;)

I was gonna say...

Philly fans don't care about hockey so much as they are bloodthirsty hooligans.  Philly fans threw batteries at Santa Claus.  They cheered when Michael Irvin was knocked unconscious. 

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« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2006, 06:02:11 am »

If I were Lindsay Jacobellis I would not be able to look another US Olympian in the eye.  Her arrogance cost her teammates a gold medal.


i think they wont be too hard on her. i reckon theyll be ribbing her for a while though. its really not as bad as the australian olympic rower (forgotten her name) who fell asleep  50 meters or so from the finish line. leaving her team-mates to haul her insomniac arse across the line for her. her team unsurprisingly really were not impressed and many didnt talk to her after that...


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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2006, 08:45:10 am »

How do you fall asleep in the middle of a race?

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« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2006, 09:38:24 am »
I've never seen a bigger asshat in an interview after winning a gold medal.  I don't hope he gets hurt, but I'm damn sure rooting against him to get anything except a mouthful of anal vapors from the other guy on the ice who's kicking his ass.

I guess you could say I don't like the guy :P

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« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2006, 10:04:59 am »

How do you fall asleep in the middle of a race?

How do you not push that person over the side of the boat? ;D
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« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2006, 10:10:27 am »

You'd be DQed for jettisoning weight or not having all team members cross the finish line or something.

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« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2006, 10:27:16 am »
I didn't mean DURING the race, they coulda waited until the moment they crossed the finish line.  Or in the middle of the night.  ;D
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« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2006, 10:29:16 am »

I still don't get the "falling asleep" in the biggest moment of one's life.  Could homechick have just passed out? 

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« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2006, 04:10:30 pm »
I saw Shani's gold medal race live, and also caught the interview. He did indeed come off as a class-A asshat. I don't know anything about the guy though.

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« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2006, 04:30:20 pm »
8<... leaving her team-mates to haul her insomniac arse across the line for her. her team unsurprisingly really were not impressed and many didnt talk to her after that...

Insomniacs CAN'T sleep. Narcoleptics are the ones who constantly fall asleep.
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« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2006, 04:50:42 pm »

If your team is so thin that you have a freakin narcoleptic on the boat then you really didn't have any other options anyway.

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« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2006, 05:40:21 pm »
Curling just bores me to tears!  I've tried, I've tried to appreciate it for what it is, but.... Snnnzzzzzzzzzz......

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« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2006, 12:16:11 am »
Okay go ahead call me nuts but I have enjoyed watching the curling matches!  I realize its not for everyone, but I've found it interesting and fun to watch.   :laugh:

The thing that's bothered me reading through this thread is the mention about TEAM. The curling teams are actual TEAMS.  The hockey teams are TEAMS.  These skiers and skaters are not really part of a TEAM.  Sure they compete as the United States olympic "team", but really they are all individuals.  They all pretty much train separately, with their own personal trainers and coaches, travel separately and once in awhile meet up at the next event.  As was stated before Bode travels in his own motorcoach.  And so does the other downhill skier who was a big disappointment, Rahlves (and Rahlves' motorcoach is larger than Bode's!).  While its true they are all representing the United States at the Olympics as a "team" lets be honest, the skiers and skaters are not really a TEAM in the true sense of the word.  How can they be, they're all trying to win the same prize in an individual sport.

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« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2006, 05:26:38 am »
8<... leaving her team-mates to haul her insomniac arse across the line for her. her team unsurprisingly really were not impressed and many didnt talk to her after that...

Insomniacs CAN'T sleep. Narcoleptics are the ones who constantly fall asleep.


hehe. realised that almost immediately but had had enough of my arse-tastic pc last night. fixed it after work today and hoped i could do a sneaky edit before anyone noticed. chad, EVERYONE was asking that question. of course, it is rowing. most spectators would have fallen asleep too so perhaps it happens more often than we realise. just that this time someone had drunk LOTS of coffee and noticed...
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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #77 on: February 22, 2006, 09:47:28 am »
While its true they are all representing the United States at the Olympics as a "team" lets be honest, the skiers and skaters are not really a TEAM in the true sense of the word.  How can they be, they're all trying to win the same prize in an individual sport.

Easy.  They are mostly funded by grants from the USOC and the US Gov't and private companies donating to the US Olympic Team.  That makes them stakeholders in the team concept no matter what their event.

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« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2006, 10:51:42 am »
While its true they are all representing the United States at the Olympics as a "team" lets be honest, the skiers and skaters are not really a TEAM in the true sense of the word.  How can they be, they're all trying to win the same prize in an individual sport.

Easy.  They are mostly funded by grants from the USOC and the US Gov't and private companies donating to the US Olympic Team.  That makes them stakeholders in the team concept no matter what their event.

I'm not disagreeing with your statement, but I can tell you from my experience on the US Shooting Team, that the athletes who make it that far have put a TON of their own money into it.

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Re: Olympic's new USA moron
« Reply #79 on: February 22, 2006, 10:53:17 am »

Doesn't matter.  The world doesn't care about what you yourself have put in, they hold you accountable for what they put into you.