Author Topic: Ford Model U. WTF? (Read 5585 times)

USSEnterprise · « **on:** January 08, 2006, 12:57:53 am »

I was just reading about a Ford concept car. Its called the Model U. Not only is it a hydrogen powered car, which scares the living hell outta me, but it is made...naturally. Older cars rust. This one dissolves. The outer body panels are made out of a "natural fiber composite" covering an aluminum frame. Additionally, some of the parts are made out of "soy fibers". So when you get into an accident, not only is it going to produce one hell of a fireball, but it will also taste good with soy sauce.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2006, 08:51:10 am »

Just think, if you run into a cow or deer with 'em (yes, people HAVE run into cows in WI

), the soy fibers will take on the characteristics of the meat being ~~burned~~ cooked. It'll be the best smelling auto accident EVAH!

ChadTower · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2006, 11:49:44 am »

It will really help the hydrogen car cause when people stop saying things like "it will cause one hell of a fireball".

Do you really think it would be designed in a way that that could happen any worse than with a gasoline car?

BTW, rust IS natural and it IS the car dissolving.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2006, 11:54:42 am »

I'm not sure. It was just my guess that a tank of compressed hydrogen would make one ---fudgesicle--- of a bigger KABOOM than a gasoline tank

ChadTower · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2006, 12:25:56 pm »

It will probably be liquid. IIRC, liquid hydrogen does not go boom. Only gaseous hydrogen. I could be wrong on that but don't think I am.

Combustible elements are only combustible in certain states and in certain mixtures.

RayB · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2006, 02:17:33 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 08, 2006, 12:25:56 pm

Combustible elements are only combustible in certain states and in certain mixtures.

Like in Texas, with lots of beer.

JonnyBoy · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2006, 06:45:15 pm »

Yeah, the problem is right now it's pretty darn hard to create and store liquid hydrogen. I'm excited to see it though, in my opinion it's a step in the right direction.

Ed_McCarron · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2006, 07:38:55 pm »

IIRC, they are working towards storing H2 in a metal matrix, as a metal hydride.

Much safer, higher energy density, but requires energy to remove H2 from the matrix. Needs a hefty battery to preheat the hydride to release the starting fuel.

Plus, it doesn't go boom.

JonnyBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2006, 07:56:34 pm »

Actually, I remember seeing something like that. Some sort of material that produces pure H2 when heated?

GGKoul · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2006, 10:24:18 pm »

All the details can be viewed here: http://www.conceptcar.co.uk/concept-cars/concept-car-46.php

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #10 on:** January 09, 2006, 12:03:37 am »

Is that image CG?

Stingray · « **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2006, 08:50:06 am »

Quote from: USSEnterprise on January 08, 2006, 11:54:42 am

I'm not sure. It was just my guess that a tank of compressed hydrogen would make one ---auto-censored--- of a bigger KABOOM than a gasoline tank

Seems like I remember hearing once that a gallon of gasoline packs the same explosive punch as something like two sticks of dynamite. Even assuming that the hydrogen prouces a bigger explosion than the gasoline, what difference would that make? You'd be just as dead either way.

-S

ChadTower · « **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2006, 10:14:10 am »

Maybe you die either way, but a bigger explosion has the potential to take more people with it.

Same amount of material making a bigger explosion also possibly means a more likely explosion by the nature of physics.

Stingray · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2006, 10:36:36 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 09, 2006, 10:14:10 am

Maybe you die either way, but a bigger explosion has the potential to take more people with it.

If I'm dead, why would I care about other people? I mean I barely care about other people as it is.

-S

ChadTower · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2006, 10:41:28 am »

The manufacturer would, obviously, since more deaths = more lawsuits and no one likes to pay those damn attorneys.

Stingray · « **Reply #15 on:** January 09, 2006, 10:43:31 am »

F'em. They stabbed a baby.

-S

ChadTower · « **Reply #16 on:** January 09, 2006, 10:43:56 am »

That's it! Someone design a car that runs on babies.

danny_galaga · « **Reply #17 on:** January 10, 2006, 07:58:32 am »

Quote from: JonnyBoy on January 08, 2006, 06:45:15 pm

Yeah, the problem is right now it's pretty darn hard to create and store liquid hydrogen. I'm excited to see it though, in my opinion it's a step in the right direction.

where will the hydrogen come from? it takes a LOT of energy to make it. or convert it from petroleum. either way, lotsa a fossils will need to be used...

ChadTower · « **Reply #18 on:** January 10, 2006, 08:03:37 am »

Hydrogen is the most abundant element on Earth. It's in the air and in the water.

danny_galaga · « **Reply #19 on:** January 10, 2006, 08:22:47 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 10, 2006, 08:03:37 am

Hydrogen is the most abundant element on Earth. It's in the air and in the water.

sigh...

how will you EXTRICATE the hydrogen from the oxygen without using more energy than you gain? ok, PLANTS do it by photo-synthesis but i don't think you are suggesting that is how we will process our hydrogen...

ChadTower · « **Reply #20 on:** January 10, 2006, 08:34:55 am »

That's the question, yes? And they're going to answer it. They wouldn't be building prototypes if the answer wasn't either already here or coming in the near future.

Stingray · « **Reply #21 on:** January 10, 2006, 08:59:19 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 10, 2006, 08:34:55 am

That's the question, yes? And they're going to answer it. They wouldn't be building prototypes if the answer wasn't either already here or coming in the near future.

Sure THEY would. You never know what THEY might be up to. Where's my tin foil hat?

-S

ChadTower · « **Reply #22 on:** January 10, 2006, 09:07:50 am »

Under your pile of hydrogen extraction theories.

Stingray · « **Reply #23 on:** January 10, 2006, 09:37:24 am »

No good. Those were all stolen by gov't agents in a black helicopter.

-S

ChadTower · « **Reply #24 on:** January 10, 2006, 10:47:29 am »

That now curiously run on hydrogen.

Stingray · « **Reply #25 on:** January 10, 2006, 11:22:21 am »

I need a tin foil house.

-S

ChadTower · « **Reply #26 on:** January 10, 2006, 11:25:29 am »

Just line your walls with it.

Or get a bigass TV dinner and live in that.

Holy crap, do they even make TV dinners anymore?

Stingray · « **Reply #27 on:** January 10, 2006, 11:32:36 am »

They do, but they sadly no longer come covered in high grade, US Gov't inspected, mind control blocking foil.

-S

ChadTower · « **Reply #28 on:** January 10, 2006, 11:33:52 am »

Damn, I used to dig those.

That and Jiffy Pop. Man, now that I think about it, I can't even make Jiffy Pop. It would score the snot out of my ceramic stovetop.

Stingray · « **Reply #29 on:** January 10, 2006, 11:38:45 am »

Jiffy Pop, on the other hand, is still available. The wife and I took some along on a camping trip not long ago. Somehow it's still just as fun to pop as it was when I was 8.

-S

DrewKaree · « **Reply #30 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:23:57 pm »

See if they make something like that cell phone jammer. Only in your case, you need one that's non-specific, and will cover your house, perhaps block, city, or state.

Better yet, I'll build you one and set it up for you. Drop me eleventy brazilian dollars in the mail and I'll do all the work for you. You should feel results in 3-6 weeks.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #31 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:26:08 pm »

Quote from: USSEnterprise on January 08, 2006, 11:54:42 am

I'm not sure. It was just my guess that a tank of compressed hydrogen would make one ---auto-censored--- of a bigger KABOOM than a gasoline tank

There's a scientific american with alan alda episode about this.
No, hydrogen is better than gas if something wrong happens. If you put a puncture in gas vs hydrogen what is going to happen? Gas will leak onto the ground, so if it catches on fire it engulfs the entire car. Hydrogen will convert to gas (it is liquid in the car), and stream out. Since it is lighter than air it goes up. If it catches on fire you will see something like setting hairspray on fire. It won't spread around the car.

If you can find that episode watch it. Pretty cool stuff coming in the future.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #32 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:27:00 pm »

Quote from: DrewKaree on January 08, 2006, 08:51:10 am

Just think, if you run into a cow or deer with 'em (yes, people HAVE run into cows in WI )

Mus thave been drunk because cows are slow and don't move

Deer pop out of no where!

ChadTower · « **Reply #33 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:28:06 pm »

When it's dark and you're not paying attention and the cow was already in the road, whap.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #34 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:31:36 pm »

Quote from: danny_galaga on January 10, 2006, 08:22:47 am

how will you EXTRICATE the hydrogen from the oxygen without using more energy than you gain? ok, PLANTS do it by photo-synthesis but I don't think you are suggesting that is how we will process our hydrogen...

But it takes less external energy (oil) to do this than all the cars using oil.

Iceland collects hydrogen form their geothermals too.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #35 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:32:31 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 10, 2006, 12:28:06 pm

When it's dark and you're not paying attention and the cow was already in the road, whap.

Ok, if it was dark and snowing I could see that, well, not really since farmers will have put their cattle away.

ChadTower · « **Reply #36 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:33:54 pm »

No way. That cow is a loner, Dotty. A rebel.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #37 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:34:07 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on January 10, 2006, 12:28:06 pm

When it's dark and you're not paying attention and the cow was already in the road, whap.

Bingo.

A buddy of mine had an ex-girlfriend run into one. She was drunk and her headlights needed replacing, she thought it was a friggen deer and figured it'd move.

Way I see it, she deserved everything that happened to her. It's just too bad the cow had to suffer the result of her stupidity. Better a cow than another human being - the ass hattess.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #38 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:35:16 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on January 10, 2006, 12:32:31 pm

Quote from: ChadTower on January 10, 2006, 12:28:06 pm

When it's dark and you're not paying attention and the cow was already in the road, whap.
Ok, if it was dark and snowing I could see that, well, not really since farmers will have put their cattle away.

Dude had a hole in his fence and had 5 get out. He found all but 2, and then he only had to look for 1

*edit*
Kinda close by you now. Take 110 west to Fremont. Close to Poygan Lake

mr.Curmudgeon · « **Reply #39 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:36:01 pm »

Quote from: Stingray on January 10, 2006, 11:22:21 am

I need a tin foil house.

-S

(link)

mrC


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