Street Fighter II Hyper Fighting on Xbox Live Arcade!

[ferrarimanf355]

Words cannot describe how great this is going to be... 
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142004.html

[SNAAKE]

Meh...

Not like anyone here can beat me anyway lol

[elvis]

OK, so I own fully legit legal copies of SF2:T and/or SF2:HF on SNES, Playstation and arcade board.

So now I get to buy it a fourth time, along with a new console and online subscription?  No thanks - especially no to the XBox360.  Most overpriced crap ever.

To be fair, this is great news for the new generation of gamers who never got to experience SF2 in a real arcade growing up like most of us did here.  But for most of us who enjoy fighters, we probably already own it a half dozen times over on different formats.  It's licensing gone mad!

[ferrarimanf355]

Sheesh, I get excited over this and you all could care less? 

[versapak]

Well...

It has already been playable over Live now for quite some time on Xbox, so there is no new jump for joy factor to that aspect, but it is nice to see that they have followed Tecmo's DOA:U example of doing an online fighter right.

Playing over Live with a group of people all there ready to take on the winner really brings back a lot of the arcade feel that was special about these games in the first place.

[elvis]

Sheesh, I get excited over this and you all could care less?

[darthbane2k]

WHO CARES?!

Again overhyped 360 nonsense.

We have ALL been playing this very game for years, if not on playstation and SNES, then certainly on mame. -Playing the ORIGINAL Arcade version on our cabs against the company of competitive friends and family (for free), is a FAR BETTER gameplay experience than playing some nerd you cannot see across xbox live on your TV via the 360's crappy (for fighters) joypad - and at a cost I might add

[versapak]

WHO CARES?!

Again overhyped 360 nonsense.

We have ALL been playing this very game for years, if not on playstation and SNES, then certainly on mame. -Playing the ORIGINAL Arcade version on our cabs against the company of competitive friends and family (for free), is a FAR BETTER gameplay experience than playing some nerd you cannot see across xbox live on your TV via the 360's crappy (for fighters) joypad - and at a cost I might add

I may have already asked you this, but seriously...

Did an Xbox 360 rape your dog?


I haven't played the game on 360 yet, but playing on Live in a set up like the game is now offering is pretty friggin sweet.

And for the record...

Some nerd that chats on msg boards, and builds/buys/owns their own arcade machines, is not exactly the "cool kid". Pot... Kettle... Black... Ring any bells?

Dead or Alive Ultimate was an awesome experience on Live, and it was far closer to the golden days of fighters in the arcade than a couple friends or family would be. Real competition, with a larger group of people (more than likely), and available anytime you wish to play.

[darthbane2k]

WHO CARES?!

Again overhyped 360 nonsense.

We have ALL been playing this very game for years, if not on playstation and SNES, then certainly on mame. -Playing the ORIGINAL Arcade version on our cabs against the company of competitive friends and family (for free), is a FAR BETTER gameplay experience than playing some nerd you cannot see across xbox live on your TV via the 360's crappy (for fighters) joypad - and at a cost I might add

I may have already asked you this, but seriously...

Did an Xbox 360 rape your dog?


I haven't played the game on 360 yet, but playing on Live in a set up like the game is now offering is pretty friggin sweet.

And for the record...

Some nerd that chats on msg boards, and builds/buys/owns their own arcade machines, is not exactly the "cool kid". Pot... Kettle... Black... Ring any bells?

Dead or Alive Ultimate was an awesome experience on Live, and it was far closer to the golden days of fighters in the arcade than a couple friends or family would be. Real competition, with a larger group of people (more than likely), and available anytime you wish to play.

LOL

well firstly, Im no fanboy or anti MS fanboy. I have a 360 in my flat as we speak, largely because its my brother and hes staying here.
Secondly, do not take the nerd comment too personally or seriously - I was generalising

lastly, HOW IN THE WORLD can you even begin to suggest that playing SF2 Turbo on an xbox emulating the arcade ROM is more desirable and preferable than playing it (the ACTUAL arcade ROM) on your very own arcade cabinet with a live friend in that very room with you. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT beat the fun and challange of human interaction when playing SF2 against someone you know right there in the flesh, its THAT experience I remember from the arcade and NOT playing a unseen stranger across the net (you may as well play the cpu if that floats your boat).

So flame me all you want, but there is NO justification in your arguement that paying $$$$s for those xbox 360 arcade marketplace points is worth my time or money.
Its NOTHING to get excited about  at all, the game is lying on my mame cab in my rom folder as we speak, as it is on almost everyone else's mame cabs.

[elvis]

lastly, HOW IN THE WORLD can you even begin to suggest that playing SF2 Turbo on an xbox emulating the arcade ROM is more desirable and preferable than playing it (the ACTUAL arcade ROM) on your very own arcade cabinet with a live friend in that very room with you. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT beat the fun and challange of human interaction when playing SF2 against someone you know right there in the flesh, its THAT experience I remember from the arcade and NOT playing a unseen stranger across the net (you may as well play the cpu if that floats your boat).

Some comments (and playing devil's advocate for a moment):

Good Street Fighter players are hard to come by in my town.  I'm not blowing my own horn here (I'm no tournament winner) but all my mates are no match for me, simply because they just don't like fighters.  I have to travel crazy distances just to get a decent game of SF in, and then I have to find an arcade with a cabinet and people willing to play.  All very difficult and time consuming from where I am.

Online play is great.  There's always a list of people wanting to play on Kailerra, and there are some really good players who jump on from time to time and really give me a good lesson.  I enjoy these fights far more than playing my mates.  Playing the CPU opponent is rubbish.  The CPU logic is repetative and predictable.  I can beat the game on the hardest difficulty levels with ease.  Human play is far more random and unpredictable, and I'd lpay online in preference to vs CPU any day of the week.  Win or lose, I love a good game with a good player.

As mentioned, MAME cabs aren't common-place.  Yes, BYOAC is a fairly large community of cab builders, but we're by no means a representative sample of the population at large.  For most folks, it's easier just to buy a console, turn it on and play.  Moreso, the new generation of players don't remember the arcade (I sell cabs, and I've seen kids walk into the shop and say "what's that?").  I have a pretty strong feeling there'll be a lot more young non-arcaders on XBox-arcade than old fogeys like us.

No, I don't like the XBox360.  Yes, I think it's overpriced and unimpressive.  No, I won't be buying one just to play online SF2:HF.  But stepping back for a moment, this is a great chance for a new generation of gamers to try one-on-one fighters.  In a world that is completely drowning in FPS shooters (oh look, yet another WWII sim!) it's nice to see online play deviate to some other genre.

One other point, which probably isn't so important to some: MAME ROMs are still unlicensed software.  Like it or not, the XBox360 port is legally licensed.  I'm sure that doesn't bother a lot of people reading this, but it is a fact, and one worth mentioning in context.  If this proves successful, we might see other classic Capcom (and other) titles hit XBox-arcade, which is something I've been whining about the lack of for years.  Finally we as retro gamers get a chance to put our money where our mouths are, and buy these games proving we're not just the trophy-hunting pirates that some people/companies try to make us out to be.  (I'll be using the service for sure if the range of titles continues to increase, and the cost of the actual console hardware itself drops to reasonable amounts).

I think you make some very broad comments above.  You are stating a few "facts" that are merely your opinion.  Not that that's wrong by any means.  Everyone's entitled to an opinion.  Just don't word them as fact and/or commonplace unless you've done the research to back it up.

[darthbane2k]

lastly, HOW IN THE WORLD can you even begin to suggest that playing SF2 Turbo on an xbox emulating the arcade ROM is more desirable and preferable than playing it (the ACTUAL arcade ROM) on your very own arcade cabinet with a live friend in that very room with you. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT beat the fun and challange of human interaction when playing SF2 against someone you know right there in the flesh, its THAT experience I remember from the arcade and NOT playing a unseen stranger across the net (you may as well play the cpu if that floats your boat).

Some comments (and playing devil's advocate for a moment):

Good Street Fighter players are hard to come by in my town.

[versapak]

LOL

well firstly, Im no fanboy or anti MS fanboy. I have a 360 in my flat as we speak, largely because its my brother and hes staying here.
Secondly, do not take the nerd comment too personally or seriously - I was generalising

lastly, HOW IN THE WORLD can you even begin to suggest that playing SF2 Turbo on an xbox emulating the arcade ROM is more desirable and preferable than playing it (the ACTUAL arcade ROM) on your very own arcade cabinet with a live friend in that very room with you. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT beat the fun and challange of human interaction when playing SF2 against someone you know right there in the flesh, its THAT experience I remember from the arcade and NOT playing a unseen stranger across the net (you may as well play the cpu if that floats your boat).

So flame me all you want, but there is NO justification in your arguement that paying $$$$s for those xbox 360 arcade marketplace points is worth my time or money.
Its NOTHING to get excited about at all, the game is lying on my mame cab in my rom folder as we speak, as it is on almost everyone else's mame cabs.

What makes you think I would not be playing on an arcade cabinet?

I have played just about every online fighter that was released on Xbox, and every single one of those was played on an arcade machine.


You are obviously still a kid (not saying 5 year old, but not really out on your own yet).

Gathering around the same location will become more and more difficult the older you get. You will get responsibilities that will take your attention elsewhere. Your friends & family will do the same. It will become more and more difficult to meet in the same place at the same time.

Yes, playing on Live is better, because it is actually easily obtainable regularly. I still appreciate gaming right next to an actual human competitor, but if I want real competition then Live is where it's at.

Also... I have seen many people think they were good, until they found out that big fish in little pond means jack sheet in the ocean.

[brophog]

Interesting read. We are thankful to have a few used game/movie shops in the area. A couple specialize in older hardware and games to go with them.

While I was looking at old Genesis manuals in the shop, I could hear people around me talking and what not. Every one of them was talking about new hardware, namely the XBOX 360. This is in a shop that carries probably a tenth or less of the XBOX 360 games that a normal electronics store would carry.

Face it, we're not the majority gamer out there. I have a PS2 that gets little play, but I don't really see a big difference between it and the XBOX 360. But, I'm in the minority amongst gamers. The majority of gamers are interested in what's new.

Retrogaming is a pretty good size community. But's it is in a very large community of gamers. We're small fish in a very large pond.

[darthbane2k]

LOL

well firstly, Im no fanboy or anti MS fanboy. I have a 360 in my flat as we speak, largely because its my brother and hes staying here.
Secondly, do not take the nerd comment too personally or seriously - I was generalising

lastly, HOW IN THE WORLD can you even begin to suggest that playing SF2 Turbo on an xbox emulating the arcade ROM is more desirable and preferable than playing it (the ACTUAL arcade ROM) on your very own arcade cabinet with a live friend in that very room with you. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT beat the fun and challange of human interaction when playing SF2 against someone you know right there in the flesh, its THAT experience I remember from the arcade and NOT playing a unseen stranger across the net (you may as well play the cpu if that floats your boat).

So flame me all you want, but there is NO justification in your arguement that paying $$$$s for those xbox 360 arcade marketplace points is worth my time or money.
Its NOTHING to get excited about at all, the game is lying on my mame cab in my rom folder as we speak, as it is on almost everyone else's mame cabs.

What makes you think I would not be playing on an arcade cabinet?

I have played just about every online fighter that was released on Xbox, and every single one of those was played on an arcade machine.


You are obviously still a kid (not saying 5 year old, but not really out on your own yet).

Gathering around the same location will become more and more difficult the older you get. You will get responsibilities that will take your attention elsewhere. Your friends & family will do the same. It will become more and more difficult to meet in the same place at the same time.

Yes, playing on Live is better, because it is actually easily obtainable regularly. I still appreciate gaming right next to an actual human competitor, but if I want real competition then Live is where it's at.

Also... I have seen many people think they were good, until they found out that big fish in little pond means jack sheet in the ocean.

Obviously a kid??!!

LMAO

Im a 26 year old MAN who has TWO children. Just because my brother is staying with my girlfriend and I and I have a cab doesnt make me a kid!

I have friends who all live closeby, friends who I went to school with and they visit me regularly. They LOVE popping round to see the little ones, have a beer and revel in nostalgia by playing the cab. Playing SF2 with them live in the flesh reminds us all of our lunchtimes at school. It reverts us to schoolboys again with the petty arguing and cussing! Its THAT experience which IMHO CANNOT be replicated by xbox live. So THAT is why I am unexcited by the prospect of MS charging ppl to download and play sf2 turbo hyper fighting on their console.

And I didnt say you would not be playing it on a cab also, I merely responded to the implied concensus on this thread that playing retro games on xbox live is somehow (bizarely) preferable and more desirable to playing them on an actual arcade cabinet - not to mention the overexcitment and hyperbole concerning MS/Capcom's decision to release this game on 360 arcade.

MAME arcade > Xbox live arcade - now THAT'S me being childish

[versapak]

Obviously a kid??!!

LMAO

Im a 26 year old MAN who has TWO children. Just because my brother is staying with my girlfriend and I and I have a cab doesnt make me a kid!

I have friends who all live closeby, friends who I went to school with and they visit me regularly. They LOVE popping round to see the little ones, have a beer and revel in nostalgia by playing the cab. Playing SF2 with them live in the flesh reminds us all of our lunchtimes at school. It reverts us to schoolboys again with the petty arguing and cussing! Its THAT experience which IMHO CANNOT be replicated by xbox live. So THAT is why I am unexcited by the prospect of MS charging ppl to download and play sf2 turbo hyper fighting on their console.

And I didnt say you would not be playing it on a cab also, I merely responded to the implied concensus on this thread that playing retro games on xbox live is somehow (bizarely) preferable and more desirable to playing them on an actual arcade cabinet - not to mention the overexcitment and hyperbole concerning MS/Capcom's decision to release this game on 360 arcade.

MAME arcade > Xbox live arcade - now THAT'S me being childish

Okay, so I was wrong about your age, but...

Ummmm...

Maybe I am missing something here.

Where in this thread has anyone stated that playing retro games on Live "is somehow (bizarely) preferable and more desirable to playing them on an actual arcade cabinet" ?

This one may shock the sheet out of ya, but there are many of us that have both.

I know, I know. Crazy, isn't it?

I don't prefer playing on 360 over an arcade machine. I don't prefer playing on an arcade machine over 360. I simply prefer playing games with other people. However that is obtained. If I get the chance to play with my friends locally, then I am all for it, but if I can't then it is indeed GREAT to have the opportunity to do it online over Live.

I do wonder if you have ever even played a game over Live. Have you ever? Have you ever played Dead or Alive Ultimate on Live?

No, it is not literally a bunch of people standing around the same arcade machine, but when that isn't abvailable, it damn sure is the next best thing.

Playing SF2 with them live in the flesh reminds us all of our lunchtimes at school. It reverts us to schoolboys again with the petty arguing and cussing! Its THAT experience which IMHO CANNOT be replicated by xbox live.

Wrong.

That is the joy of Live. It CAN give you a pretty decent replication of that experience. You get together with the right bunch of people on Live, and it is good times.



[EDIT]

For the record...

I maybe didn't make this clear. I do play fighting games (as well as MANY other types of games) over Live. When I am playing games on Live that scream arcade, then you can bet your ass, I am actually playing them on an arcade machine.

[darthbane2k]

Obviously a kid??!!

LMAO

Im a 26 year old MAN who has TWO children. Just because my brother is staying with my girlfriend and I and I have a cab doesnt make me a kid!

I have friends who all live closeby, friends who I went to school with and they visit me regularly. They LOVE popping round to see the little ones, have a beer and revel in nostalgia by playing the cab. Playing SF2 with them live in the flesh reminds us all of our lunchtimes at school. It reverts us to schoolboys again with the petty arguing and cussing! Its THAT experience which IMHO CANNOT be replicated by xbox live. So THAT is why I am unexcited by the prospect of MS charging ppl to download and play sf2 turbo hyper fighting on their console.

And I didnt say you would not be playing it on a cab also, I merely responded to the implied concensus on this thread that playing retro games on xbox live is somehow (bizarely) preferable and more desirable to playing them on an actual arcade cabinet - not to mention the overexcitment and hyperbole concerning MS/Capcom's decision to release this game on 360 arcade.

MAME arcade > Xbox live arcade - now THAT'S me being childish

Okay, so I was wrong about your age, but...

Ummmm...

Maybe I am missing something here.

Where in this thread has anyone stated that playing retro games on Live "is somehow (bizarely) preferable and more desirable to playing them on an actual arcade cabinet" ?

This one may shock the sheet out of ya, but there are many of us that have both.

I know, I know. Crazy, isn't it?

I don't prefer playing on 360 over an arcade machine. I don't prefer playing on an arcade machine over 360. I simply prefer playing games with other people. However that is obtained. If I get the chance to play with my friends locally, then I am all for it, but if I can't then it is indeed GREAT to have the opportunity to do it online over Live.

I do wonder if you have ever even played a game over Live. Have you ever? Have you ever played Dead or Alive Ultimate on Live?

No, it is not literally a bunch of people standing around the same arcade machine, but when that isn't abvailable, it damn sure is the next best thing.

Playing SF2 with them live in the flesh reminds us all of our lunchtimes at school. It reverts us to schoolboys again with the petty arguing and cussing! Its THAT experience which IMHO CANNOT be replicated by xbox live.

Wrong.

That is the joy of Live. It CAN give you a pretty decent replication of that experience. You get together with the right bunch of people on Live, and it is good times.



[EDIT]

For the record...

I maybe didn't make this clear. I do play fighting games (as well as MANY other types of games) over Live. When I am playing games on Live that scream arcade, then you can bet your ass, I am actually playing them on an arcade machine.

Okay fair enough but I think the overall debate is whether Retro gaming on Xbox live arcade is a more enjoyable experience than playing on a Mame

[adonis_minus_20]

I think this is great news!

[darthbane2k]

I don't understand all of the XBox 360 hate.

[versapak]

- but I enjoy playing friends in my presence and you enjoy the live community - different horses for different courses

You're clearly missing my point.

I don't prefer Live over playing friends in my presence. I enjoy them BOTH. If friends aren't on hand, then Live is.

Do I prefer a version of a game that limits me to only playing people offline? Hell no. I jump for joy at the opportunity to have a version of the game that allows me to have competition whenever I choose.

Retro scene... Impact... Live... What?

It is a new release of the game that opens up more playing opportunities.

OMG!!! They released a retro arcade game on 360, and put some new live play into it. That is sooooooooooo dumb. What kind of idiot would want to play against someone else online?

Live adds the ability for you to play with other people any time of day, any day of the week, any week of the year. It doesn't take anything away, so I honestly can't grasp onto what exactly your problem is.


What a great game. I love to play with my friends. Talk about great times. We remember all those great school days.

What?

You mean there is a way I can play the exact same game with other people too? That is just stupid. That game sucks.


Weird. Weird I tell ya.

[adonis_minus_20]

Yeah, I know, but it seems there is a lot of negative feelings in general toward the 360, and that's what I was also trying to address.

[LJHalfbreed]

Much agreed with Adonis.

Live arcade is a pretty nifty idea, and the idea that some of our beloved 'retrogames' are able to make a comeback are pretty nifty. Add in the fact that A.) I'm pretty sure more people own xboxes/xbox360s than Mame Cabinets and b.) Sometimes it's difficult to let total strangers in your house to play your mame cab... and I can see where the allure comes from.

Sometimes it's not the game itself that's fun... it's the competition. Thanks to extra bits and pieces and gameplay mechanics, I think SF sucks compared to later fighting games, but man... I'd much rather be in an impromptu tourney on xbox live for SFT than having to wait for my buddies to come over and play a few rounds of MvC or KoF.

One of the fun thing about a lot of arcade games was that competition... I feel without it, I'm much better off playing some single-player games.

[SirPoonga]

Yeah, I know, but it seems there is a lot of negative feelings in general toward the 360, and that's what I was also trying to address.  To be more on topic, I think the Live Arcade is a good idea, and the value added is the online play that breathes new life into these old games.

Yes.  I've been playing a couple and absolutely love it.  I'd like more of the Midway and Atari games to make it to Live.  Rampart would be sweet.



Also some people don't realize that there are people who would rather legally own a game.  And that many people do put consoles in an arcade cabinet.

Also there's more than arcade purists out there.  Just because it isn't in it's original arcade cabinet doesn't mean it isn't fun anymore.  The first home cabinet I played on has a nes and genesis in it.  It still brought the arcade experience to home even without authentic arcade titles.

Saying something like "Why would you play an arcade game against someone over the internet when you can play them on a real arcade in person?"  Easy, you don't always have someone else to play in person.  Also you might have friends who aren't in the same state (I will be playing Joust against a friend that I only see about twice a year).  Also that's like saying "Why play Quake 4 over the internet when you can get a 360 and play against someone else in your own home?"

Also many of the coin-op games ARE actual roms.  Digital Eclipse makes the emulator for them (and has been making the emulator for atari and midway games since the mid90s).  They jus tput a netowrking layer on top of the game like kaillera did with mame.

[SNAAKE]

Yeah I still dont see how this is supposed to be exiciting at all. I mean there already is street fighter anniversary collection out for xbox which has all version of sf2(ww,ce,st,etc) and sf3 3rd strike.

[SirPoonga]

'm not excited as I don't care about fighters.  But what about people who have a 360 but don;t have an xbox?  Are the xbox versions backwards compatible?

[versapak]

Yeah I still dont see how this is supposed to be exiciting at all. I mean there already is street fighter anniversary collection out for xbox which has all version of sf2(ww,ce,st,etc) and sf3 3rd strike.

The exciting part of the 360 release is how you play online with it. You no longer are stuck in a room with just one other person. You get to go into a room with a group of people, and get a similar type of experience that was had back in the day, with a group of people waiting for their turn around an arcade machine.

Fighting games online primarily sucked on Xbox. 9 times out of 10, unless you were playing with a friend, you were stuck playing against someone who never even said a word. Sure the challenge of a human controlled fighter was there, but it was just as boring as playing against the AI. Fighting games have always been nothing but a multiplayer game for me, so the thrill just wasn't there (online).

If you don't play online, then I'm sure there isn't much to be excited about with this release.

[elvis]

Yeah I still dont see how this is supposed to be exiciting at all. I mean there already is street fighter anniversary collection out for xbox which has all version of sf2(ww,ce,st,etc) and sf3 3rd strike.

Anniversary Edition has some noticable differences to SF2:T, for the purists especially.

Outside of that, I believe these live-only games only cost a couple of bucks, which is great.

[SNAAKE]

oh well sf2 sucks already why would even bother playing that when I have capcom vs snk 2 which is like 9000 times better. Yeah I think played enough "hadokeeen...shoryuuuken umm..thats it" 

[elvis]

oh well sf2 sucks already why would even bother playing that when I have capcom vs snk 2 which is like 9000 times better. Yeah I think played enough "hadokeeen...shoryuuuken umm..thats it" 

CvS2 is certainly different.  I don't think you can count one as "better" or "worse" than the other.

Fighting fans have their likes and dislikes, but generally appreciate the unique engines and play mechanics game to game.  Just because a game is older doesn't mean it's worse.

[SNAAKE]

It is worse..simply because its old and I am tired of playing that and I was done with sf2 around 1995 cuz I played enough. sf2 has nothing other than the 15 year old fireball and uppercut thats it.

Capcom vs snk 2 on the other hand has 6 different grooves and every single one has a different style gameplay. Its like 6 games combined into one with SOOOOOOOOOOO much variety I never get tired of it. Like tomorrow I be at my local arcade for like 7-8 straight !

How about a nice video of me playing a friend of mine on xbox live

[elvis]

Firstly, there's only so much you can do on CPS1 hardware.  You've got to admire the game for what it was when it was released.  Secondly, it's certainly more limited in terms of content, but it's still damned fun.  I can't say that CvS2 is better or worse, it's just different.  I play both and enjoy both.

And just as an aside, damn those XBox CvS2 load times suck.  I'm spoiled by my dreamcast.