bones... i think you need to get back to work

[Kremmit]

Hmm, maybe I'm assuming something I shouldn't.  I assumed you had Arabic persons from Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, etc. running around, and just used "Lebs" as a kind of catch-all.  Are all of your Arabic Persons actually from Lebanon?

[danny_galaga]

Why is that insulting??

He's American
He's African
He's Itallian
He's Filipino
He's Lebanese.

How could this possibly be offensive? It's not I am calling them French or New Zealanders......

                                         (",)

[danny_galaga]

Hmm, maybe I'm assuming something I shouldn't.

[duffjr]

the correct term for them all is nigga.

[DrewKaree]

the correct term for them all is nigga.

....said the ass hat.

Yeah, danny, we call them what they are here too, since there's millions of Americans who came from Africa living here and they're undecided as to what nationality they want to claim, so we're supposed to call them a combination of the two.  I've always presumed that they want the rights of an American, just not the responsibilities.  Those who don't mind the responsibilities are usually known as something else, like Jamaican, West Indian, or some other such place.

[duffjr]

i can't read it anymore,

Here.  Now you don't have an excuse anymore

Australia Seeks to Prevent More Race Riots
   
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: December 13, 2005

Filed at 11:02 p.m. ET

australia news happens

so 5000 whites rioting against arabs because two of them "beat a lifeguard" as the article says is justified?  how is attacking all arabs in vicious mobs the right thing to do?  i want these whities prosecuted.

[DrewKaree]

so 5000 whites rioting against arabs because two of them "beat a lifeguard" as the article says is justified?  how is attacking all arabs in vicious mobs the right thing to do?  i want these whities prosecuted.

Your reading skeelz are on a par with your debate skeelz.

It wasn't 2 of them beating A lifeguard.  Two LIFEGUARDS were beaten by a number of youths.  It also was attributed to OTHER reasons such as the Bali bombings and a gang rape case.

No one has said it was justified either.

Time to reload.  Your opinion scattergun seems to have gone off.  Luckily, you only shot yourself in the foot.  Put it in your mouth, it'll prolly feel better

[duffjr]

did you not read bones's and kremmit's posts?  they're supporting it and the racism, which is the same way that the people they hate think about all of them.

i assumed it was two on two and the lifeguards' livesavers didn't hold them off.  i couldn't see more than ten out there beating two guys; game theory wouldn't permit it.

[Bones]

i assumed it was two on two and the lifeguards' livesavers didn't hold them off.

[duffjr]

i was under the impression you had become highly xenophobic since these incidents.  i didn't know you were referring to the gangs, but i thought you thought that all arab males do this.  did the whites attack the mobs or any arabs?

The offspring a generation later now seek the company of their own kind and congregate in large groups. They harass people without cause, they pick fights with woman and the elderly, they think the laws don't apply to them. Get them one-on-one and they don

[DrewKaree]

We have (as we should), welcomed immigration without discrimination. The ethnic mums and dads came to the new land decades ago and were good people and worked hard to make a new life. Most were nice people, quiet and happy to be given a second chance.

Worse still, they yell at the top of their voices that they are being discriminated against when they are asked to answer for their atrocious actions.

For all too long Australia has ignored the rising threat of these Arabic gangs. We have tolerated them raping our woman in groups and boasting on TV they will do more "Leb" style. We have tolerated their gang violence with the opinion that it will be OK because this is Australia and it couldn't possibly get out of hand..... Damn, Sydney doesn't even have a riot squad to deal with this type of stuff it is so foreign to us.

Finally a section of society got sick of the violence after some life saving volunteers were recently bashed by a group of Arabic thugs at a popular but otherwise peaceful beach. They took a stand against the gangs and the gangs retaliated with terrorist style actions that seems to be largely the Arabic way.

Now we have a war on our hands and we only have ourself to blame. The cops should have been out splitting up these trouble makers years ago instead of spending their time trying to catch speeding drivers and raising revenue.  The courts should have locked up the violent offenders and set harsh examples, repeat offenders should have been deported.

Seemed pretty clear to me. 

You're also making serious accusations about Kremmit, so it's time to defend them.  You state that "he's supported this and the racism".  Now that you've made the charge, it's up to you to back it up. 

SHOW US where Kremmit said he's supporting the rioting and the racism.  For that matter, the best you can do is infer into Bones' words what you THINK he means, but more specifically, I want to be shown what you've used to determine that Kremmit supports the rioting and the racism. 

You've done nothing but go off half-cocked in this entire thread.  I can't believe after reading the EXACT same words you have that you can state some of the things you have.  QUOTE the words that you've used in formulating your opinion about what you're saying.  Calling someone a racist and saying they condone and/or support riots against another race is a serious charge.  There have been people on this board that have been banned for views like that.  I believe your assessments to be lies.

I'm not sorry for seeming harsh, since I believe you're speaking without thinking it through, and judgements such as you've made somehow manage to stick with people, whether they're true and backed by facts, or false and pulled out of thin air.

It's important that you prove the words you've put forth.

[duffjr]

I'm f'n fed up with the same troubles here in the US- namby-pamby government, excessive laywer population, large immigrant population that has failed to integrate into American society, political correctness that forces us to let it continue unchecked, etc.  This place is going to hell in a handbasket, and the collapse is coming sooner or later if we continue down the road we're on.

I've actually considered sellig everything and moving to Australia, precisely because I thought things weren't that way there.  But apparently things are- how sad.  But I see one promising difference for you, Bones:  Your population is getting so upset over it, they're actually taking to the streets and doing something about it.  Nobody mis-understand me, I don't condone the rioting.  But I do see it as a sign that the population there isn't as apathetic as they are here.  In America, even the few people who pay enough attention to be aware of the problem can't be bothered to do more than whine about it on talk radio or post about it on an internet message board. America, I fear, is too far gone to be saved. Maybe Australia isn't.  Keep your fingers crossed, Bones- and if things turn around, get the spare room ready for me, hey?

i can't seem to ignore the correlation between immigrants destroying america mentioned here.  because immigrants haven't fully integrated into our society, they cause violence?  as i stated earlier; if you're specifically referring to the latino, mexican, and black gangs; then i don't see anything wrong with this point.  it seemed to me that he was referring to all immigrants of these races.

about bones's post, he started out in what seemed to be a generalization, but he referred to the gangs at the end.  i made a false connection that he assumed all of or even most of the offspring of arab immigrants were forming these gangs.  the article didn't mention that the white rioters targeted these arab gangs; it seemed like they attacked anyone arab, and i assumed they were just organized supremacists aggravating racial tensions.

The violence erupted Sunday when more than 5,000 white Australians fought with police and attacked people they believed to be Arab immigrants at Cronulla beach in southern Sydney. The mob was angered over reports that youths of Lebanese descent beat two lifeguards at the beach a week earlier. That attack's motive was unclear.

[markrvp]

I'm not speaking for Kremmit, but I see a problem where people immigrate to a country and then demand that the new country change its policies to accommodate the beliefs and/or desires of the immigrant.

Specifically - government forms should not have to be listed in both English and Spanish.  Schools should not have to change their curriculum so as not to offend immigrants who don't believe in our policies.  If 100% of terrorist activities on airlines are perpetrated by people with brown skin, beards, and turbans, then 90 year old white ladies should not be strip-searched in airports so as not to appear to be "profiling."

I agree with Kremmit that common sense in our country has been thrown out the window by people who's desire for a perfect society has overshadowed their ability to deal with reality.

Case in point right now - people are not sure whether or not to say "Merry Christmas."  I know this for a fact because I am in the business of producing photo Christmas cards.  Families are having a hard time deciding what message to put on their cards because they are afraid if they say, "Merry Christmas," that they will be labeled as bigoted and offensive.

The holiday is CHRISTMAS.  There are other holidays around this time, too, but Christmas is the one I am celebrating and guess what, it's on the calendar.  I'm looking at one right now and on the 25th of December it lists CHRISTMAS as the holiday.  If Christmas is a holiday on the calendar, then shouldn't I be able to say Merry Christmas just as people say "Happy Halloween" and "Happy Thankgsgiving?"   

Recently Bill Cosby criticized many black Americans for not doing their part (responsibility) to better themselves.  He encouraged black Americans to work hard and make their lives better by giving a bigger effort.  "Black leaders" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton immediately condemned Cosby's remarks.  Sharpton and Jackson have also criticized the SAT test as being discriminatory toward blacks and demanded that black people not be held to the same standard as ALL OTHER RACES when taking the SAT.  My problem with this is that instead of trying to improve the SAT test scores of black Americans they are trying to eliminate the RESPONSIBILITY of the MINIMUM requirements.

THE PROBLEM WITH OUR SOCIETY IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DRAG EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR INSTEAD OF ENCOURAGING UNDERACHIEVERS TO DO A BETTER JOB.

Political correctness is hogwash.  Common sense is something severely lacking by many people.  I for one am suffering from that problem right now by even trying to make some people understand that our society is going to Hell in a handbasket. 

I seriously doubt that our founding fathers would be proud of the policies being promoted in our society today.

[Kremmit]

did you not read bones's and kremmit's posts?  they're supporting it and the racism, which is the same way that the people they hate think about all of them.

Whoa, there.  I specifically said I did NOT support the rioting.  Here's what I did say:

 

But I see one promising difference for you, Bones:  Your population is getting so upset over it, they're actually taking to the streets and doing something about it.  Nobody mis-understand me, I don't condone the rioting.  But I do see it as a sign that the population there isn't as apathetic as they are here. 

Folks going out and froming a mob and rioting and beating up every Leb they see is wrong on so many levels, I see no need to explain why it's wrong.  What I see the riots as, is more of an indicator of how fed up the population of Australia as a whole feels about these "Leb" gangs and their total disregard for the laws and other people of the country of Australia, their purported home.  MOST of the population was not out rioting, but if there are enough people wound up enough to go out and do something like that, then it stands to reason that there are a lot more people like Bones; people that are fed up, but not stupid/crazy enough to go out and look for Lebs to beat up.  I was comparing that to the population here.  Since nobody cares enough to take any action, wrong though that action may be, then it stands to reason that the number of people who care is smaller as well.  My point is,  the people of Australia may be fed up enough to try and tackle the problem, and I don't believe that the people of America are.

I did not specifically mention racism at all, but for the record, I believe that racism is a bad thing, too.  And stupid.  I don't care if a person is an Arab, Jew, Pakistani, Mexican, whatever.  If they're a good person, and a good citizen, then they are.  If they aren't, then they aren't.  We've certainly got a bunch of homegrown, white people here that are totally worthless, sucking off the government teat while they watch TV and smoke cigarettes.  I'd be more than happy to deport them, too.  Heck, I'd be happy to trade them all for some Mexicans, as long as said Mexicans want to learn English and become real American citizens.


edit- fixed double-posted quote

[DrewKaree]

I'm f'n fed up with the same troubles here in the US- namby-pamby government, excessive laywer population, large immigrant population that has failed to integrate into American society, political correctness that forces us to let it continue unchecked, etc.  This place is going to hell in a handbasket, and the collapse is coming sooner or later if we continue down the road we're on.

In America, even the few people who pay enough attention to be aware of the problem can't be bothered to do more than whine about it on talk radio or post about it on an internet message board. America, I fear, is too far gone to be saved. Maybe Australia isn't.  Keep your fingers crossed, Bones- and if things turn around, get the spare room ready for me, hey?

i can't seem to ignore the correlation between immigrants destroying america mentioned here.  because immigrants haven't fully integrated into our society, they cause violence?  as i stated earlier; if you're specifically referring to the latino, mexican, and black gangs; then i don't see anything wrong with this point.  it seemed to me that he was referring to all immigrants of these races.

So skip labeling him as anti-government, anti-lawyer (both of which happen to have a vast and diverse mix of races), or anti-pc and jump to RACIST?  I can't believe I need to interpret his post for you.  Kremmit, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here.  "Our government is bending over backwards for everyone EXCEPT the citizens of our country.  Lawyers are hastening the decline in fighting harder for the rights of criminals, and political correctness has become so ridiculously hypersensitive that you're looked at like you're WORSE than the people causing the problems if you even DARE say anything about it.  That last part, you're a perfect example.  Kremmit doesn't even speak about anyone, yet you take his views and pervert it into "he's a RACIST"  You are the perfect example of what I believe Kremmit to be saying.  Oh, and if your pic is correct, you're white, aren't you?  Kremmit MAY be white, and if so, is saying YOU TOO are part of the problem he sees.  Now, if he's NOT white, you may have a case that he's racist, but then you'd have to retract that charge since he's clearly not specifying anyone, and may be speaking of those who might be the same race as he is.....well, I know I'm doing a lot of the legwork for you, but I'm trying to get you to see what you don't want to admit.  Your racist charge doesn't fit, and at best, it's inflating the facts to fit your conclusion.

You've also failed to address your charge that Kremmit supports what happened.  I'll lay it out for you, since I can see you're working on the "pick the most extremem charge".

Nobody mis-understand me, I don't condone the rioting.

A racist?  Supporting what's going on?  It's simply amazing.  Actually, I think it's irresponsible and idiotic that you have no problems labeling someone a racist without anything close to a reasonable basis in fact, but I'll stick to amazing.

about bones's post, he started out in what seemed to be a generalization, but he referred to the gangs at the end. i made a false connection that he assumed all of or even most of the offspring of arab immigrants were forming these gangs. the article didn't mention that the white rioters targeted these arab gangs; it seemed like they attacked anyone arab, and i assumed they were just organized supremacists aggravating racial tensions.

A "false connection"?  About what, that Bones ISN'T a racist?  Most folks apologize when they realize they've mislabeled someone a racist, not chalk it up to a "false connection".

[danny_galaga]

what have i started? i'm so confused?!

this is essentially MY position:

If there are problems involving, say lifeguards and lebanese gansters how does 5000 white guys getting drunk on the beach and smashing/bashing anything in site help? MY position is that it doesn't help at all and it is simply a mob venting. such simple, simple people...

[Bones]

what have i started? i'm so confused?!

this is essentially MY position:

If there are problems involving, say lifeguards and lebanese gansters how does 5000 white guys getting drunk on the beach and smashing/bashing anything in site help? MY position is that it doesn't help at all and it is simply a mob venting. such simple, simple people...

I agree. They acted poorly. It was a shameful day.

[duffjr]

i realize i've made some undefendable assumptions from misreadings the past few days, perhaps as a result of being tired or following my normal pattern.  i blame myself for the chaos that ensued.  tell me when the next mob is forming, and i'll join up.

[Stingray]

  i blame myself for the chaos that ensued. 

Very noble of you to take the blame, but chaos ensues regardless of situation in this particular bowl of poo punch.

-S

[danny_galaga]

hey, who you calling a poo puncher?

[DrewKaree]

hey, who you calling a poo puncher?

* DrewKaree raises his hand several times

[Kremmit]

tell me when the next mob is forming, and i'll join up.

So now you want to be a mafioso?

[danny_galaga]

oh crap


Which Sopranos Mobster are you?

i didnt see much of the sopranos, but i dont think i wanna be him...

edit: double crap. that was just the url to the site. lets try this...

Which Sopranos Mobster are you?
 
My Results:
 

 
Silvio Dante
 
Consigliere to Tony

[jbox]

Um, RU486 for some, stubbies for others?