Bush's plan for stemming illegal immigration

[Harry Potter]

What do you do when that alien slices off two fingers while trimming some tile in your bathroom?  How about if he starts a fire?  He's not insured, you know.

Bury him in your back yard and hire another one.

That's what we do here.

[RayB]

Do illegals really use welfare, health care, etc systems? Seems to me they'd prefer to stay away from any sort of government systems for fear of being discovered and deported.

[ChadTower]

Do illegals really use welfare, health care, etc systems? Seems to me they'd prefer to stay away from any sort of government systems for fear of being discovered and deported.

But they don't get deported even after being discovered.  It is nearly impossible to have someone deported until they have been convicted of a crime.  And when the end game is to go home when the benefits run out, deportation isn't much of a problem anyway.

Another thing we should do is stop allowing illegals into public education.  My graduating class had like 35% who didn't graduate because they never intended to do so, they were just there as a requirement of public assistance programs... nevermind that they were 20 in 11th grade.

[Stingray]

Another thing we should do is stop allowing illegals into public education. 

We're not allowed (it's a law) to even ask if they are legal citizens. In their defense, a pretty large percentage of south of the border immigrants (be they legal or otherwise) do graduate high school. Many of them move on to vo-tech programs.

-S

[Crazy Cooter]

Do illegals really use welfare, health care, etc systems? Seems to me they'd prefer to stay away from any sort of government systems for fear of being discovered and deported.

Hospitals are required to fix you up no matter if you have insurance or not.  You don't even have to have an ID.  There's actually kind of a waiting list to get deported.  They give you enough warning that you can move somewhere else.  As long as you don't decide to start following the law, you won't get sent away.  Not to mention if you are deported, you just cruise back in a couple weeks.

I don't care who comes here so long as they follow the same stupid rules I have to.  Everyone should have to pay for their kids in public schools, pay to repair the roads they drive on, etc. etc.

FWIW, I want to kick people that use the term "undocumented worker".  They're "illegal aliens", "Illegal workers", "illegal immigrants", whatever.  But "undocumented" blurs the truth.  Nobody talks about "undocumented sex offenders" or "undocumented drug use".

[fredster]

Do illegals really use welfare, health care, etc systems? Seems to me they'd prefer to stay away from any sort of government systems for fear of being discovered and deported.

Well YAH.

They have medicade ("emergency medicade") that pays for births and heart attacks, they use child food stamps, etc.  The use enough services to cause New Mexico and Arizona to declare a state of Emergency.

The don't get deported, and that's why Bush is WRONG on this. They simply keep comming in.  Without order, without sorting.

[ChadTower]

The Google banner in this thread almost made me wet myself I laughed so ---smurfing--- hard.

[RayB]

Hospitals are required to fix you up no matter if you have insurance or not.

[nostrebor]

i'm a capitalist.  if a white guy is going to do my tile, put up a bball hoop, and paint everything for less than 500, i'm all for it.

If the non-white guy was bonded, insured, paid his taxes, and was not being supported by our welfare system while receiving $500 (presumably) cash to install your tile and bb hoop, the price would not have been $500.

If our government wasn't being run by a bunch of pantywaist babies, they would enforce laws that made capitalists criminally responsible for employing $500 immigrants, while allowing hardworking honest citizens to foot the bill. Of course, step one would be to get the folks running the gov. to stop using illegals to install their tile and bb goals.

[DrewKaree]

The Google banner in this thread almost made me wet myself I laughed so ---smurfing--- hard.

It's blocked and I'm about to format so I can't be troubled to unblock it.  Someone snap it and attach it.

[ChadTower]

Did they require cash up front?

It is now against the law for hospitals to report unpaid bills to credit agencies.

[ChadTower]

It's blocked and I'm about to format so I can't be troubled to unblock it.

[DrewKaree]

Hospitals are required to fix you up no matter if you have insurance or not.  You don't even have to have an ID. 

You sure about that? Cuz when I visited an ER back in '95, they charged me a grand.

They still HAVE TO treat you.  Also, what difference does it make if they would charge them?  What're they gonna do, make 'em wash dishes to work off their bill?  The same thing that folks are talking about will happen.  The cops will be called, they'll issue a citation, tell 'em to appear in court, they'll not show up....and so on, and so on.

They can issue you a BILL, but they cannot force you to pay before leaving the hospital, and once they've left the hospital, there's not a whole lot they can do to get their money....well, not a lot that would affect an ILLEGAL immigrant, since they aren't following the law anyway.

[RayB]

Did they require cash up front?

It is now against the law for hospitals to report unpaid bills to credit agencies.

[ChadTower]

I'll assume you were responding to me.

[RayB]

But unless they said "you will be turned away untreated", it's basically a bluff.

[nostrebor]

Worst case is the hospital turns them into a collection agency and kills their credit (if legal in that state). Now if I paid no taxes, worked for cash, mooched off the govt, and basically was ready to go back to sunny wherever if I got busted, would I really care about my lousy credit score. You can't even garnish an illegal, because they are not in the system.

So the outcome is that they charge ME more to cover the costs of the care provided to non-paying, non-citizen.

My grandfather used to joke when he went into the hospital that they would put the "gold" band on his arm. This allowed the hospital to charge his insurance and Medicare for the delivery of no less than 7 "mexican"(his word) babies. While it was said in jest, the truth lurked quite close. My insurance rates prove it out.

[ChadTower]

Worst case is the hospital turns them into a collection agency and kills their credit (if legal in that state). Now if I paid no taxes, worked for cash, mooched off the govt, and basically was ready to go back to sunny wherever if I got busted, would I really care about my lousy credit score. You can't even garnish an illegal, because they are not in the system.

Credit scores are tracked by Social Security number, which of course an illegal alien would not have.  They are untrackable in this manner and thus even in those states where hospital credit reporting is legal, they cannot be reported.

[RayB]

Credit scores are tracked by Social Security number, which of course an illegal alien would not have.

[duffjr]

Did they require cash up front?

It is now against the law for hospitals to report unpaid bills to credit agencies.  The result of this, practically, is that a person who does not want to pay faces zero consequences for not doing so.

na, you pay them after the job is done.  like 90% of all home labor is done by them.

[duffjr]

i'm a capitalist. if a white guy is going to do my tile, put up a bball hoop, and paint everything for less than 500, i'm all for it.

I don't blame you.  But did you try and see if there was somebody who would do it for that?  If you made the attempt to find another contractor who would you may have found it.

We aren't doing these people any favors either.  They don't live like the domesticated Americans do by and large.  They are used to having 50 people in a house with only one bathroom, etc.  Most Americans won't do that.

are you kidding?  150 hours of labor for 500...  all the major contractors have illegal workers.  you do have your occasional mom and pop op.

[Crazy Cooter]

RayB, you messed up by giving them your real name.

A big part of the SS# thing is when employers don't bother to look at the card.  You just grab a # out of thin air and start using it.  It's very very tough to get caught using a fake SS#.  When was the last time any of you got that statement that shows how much earned income was "credited" to your SS#?  Last one I saw was about 3 or 4 years ago...  as long as they use it just for employment and work seasonally, they never get caught.  It's common for several illegals to all be working from the same SS#.  If you're legal but have family members who aren't... just "loan" them your number.

[fredster]

are you kidding?  150 hours of labor for 500...  all the major contractors have illegal workers.  you do have your occasional mom and pop op.

THEY TOOK UR JOBS

[duffjr]

na, ebay created jobs for them.

[fredster]

THEY TOOK UR JOBS

[ChadTower]

na, you pay them after the job is done.  like 90% of all home labor is done by them.

I own a house and have never had illegals working on it.  Every contractor I have ever had has been asked to present proof of insurance and licenses...

[duffjr]

southern california...the project manager is legal, but the rest aren't.

[shmokes]

It's wrecking havoc...

Wreaking.  It's wreaking havoc.  Rhymes with sneaking.

[fredster]

It's wrecking havoc...

Wreaking. It's wreaking havoc. Rhymes with sneaking.

BUT THEY TOOK UR JOBS

[shmokes]

Trust me Fredster, trying to appear thick is entirely superfluous.

[DrewKaree]

...is entirely superfluous.

On the plus side, you get a cape and tights to go with the outfit. 

Fredster - SUPERFLUOUS MAN!  DA DA DAAAAAAA!