Michael Moore the fat ass hat liar - but "he's got a point", right?

[DrewKaree]

Yeah, the guy railing against the world and "standing up for the little guy" in "exposing right-wing hypocrisy" is exactly what he pretends to despise!  Whodathunkit?  Oh, but he has a point with his productions right?  What's that point?  That he's as guilty as those he pretends to expose, or that he knows his followers wouldn't even THINK to question his background since he's doing such "good work"? 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47233

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47174

[shmokes]

I have no idea how reliable any of this information is.  There's a book about it, but that doesn't necessarily amount to anything.  The guy who wrote it is likely another Ann Coulter or Michael Moore.

At any rate, though, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the claims about Moore turn out to be true.   I've never thought the guy had much integrity.  And he's fat.  And everyone knows that god hates a fatty.

[DrewKaree]

I've never thought the guy had much integrity.  And he's fat.  And everyone knows that god hates a fatty.

And kittens.  Don't forget the kittens.  Bones is in cahoots on the whole kitten issue as well.  He's pro-dog, anti-kitten.

[shmokes]

That article goes on about Michael Moore owning stock in Halliburton, which is an issue because of how forcefully he rails against them in F 9/11.  I wouldn't put it bast the fat sonofabitch to have actually purchased shares of a company that he feels is the embodiment of evil, but I also wouldn't put it past his conservative detractors to trump up this bit about owning stock in Halliburton, when in reality he owns shows of a mutual fund that has purchased stocks in Halliburton and Michael Moore is completely unaware of it. 

I'm sure we'll know soon enough.

[Scott84]

You might disagree with Micheal Moore, but to call him names... come on now.

He has an opinion and hes sharing it. Atleast he doesnt make up information.

[duffjr]

Noam Chomsky has made a reputation for calling America a police state and branding the Pentagon "the most hideous institution on earth," yet his entire academic career, writes Schweizer, has been subsidized by the U.S. military.

so?  wouldn't he be subsidized elsewhere?   that one just stuck out as something unintimidating.

[Effayy]

Oh Noes!  Moore made more money than we thought!!!11!111!!1eleventy!!11one!

My opinion is this:  The man had a hypothesis on how the world worked (big industry, Gov't, etc) and made movies based on his hypothesis.  He provided some factual (and some rather stretched) commentary within his films.

The point of his movies weren't necessarily to be correct, but to get everyone talking about it.  We all know that the only way to ensure that you have the best possible Government in place is to criticize it when necessary.  If watching his films gave some people a different point of view in which they could then determine for *themselves* where they stood on the issues (based on due diligence of course), then the USA is better for it.

I'd rather see people like him out there trying to provoke discussion surrounding important issues, than the mindless complacency that the majority of citizens felt for their Goverment in power up until recently.

/just sayin'

- FA

[ChadTower]

The point of his films had nothing to do with getting people talking about the gov't.

His films were made specifically, and his self promotion designed with the intention of, making people talk about Michael Moore.

[Scott84]

Moore has every right to make these movies.

Its just so funny when people get so pissed at him since its an opinion. He doesnt force people to watch his movies.

I certainly disagree with some of his stuff.

The people who get so angry at him are worse then moore himself.

[KDOG]

His opinions that tries to state as facts........

[mr.Curmudgeon]

The people who get so angry at him are worse then moore himself.

Amen.

They're usually the same people who cry when you criticize the president of the United States of America. They ignore all substantive arguments in leui of screaming, "Wah! You hate the president!" Meanwhile, they'll fall over themselves to ridicule and "expose" a *GASP* documentary filmmaker!

In other words, instead of speaking truth to power, they choose to scream at the silver screen. 

Anyhow, I hope Moore owns TONS of stock in Halliburton, and I hope he makes millions off of it (just as Cheney will) and I hope he sinks that money into another film. I think it'd be ingenious, using Halliburton's own success against them.


Drew, you need to keep digging. The WorldNutDaily?

As far as I can see, neither of the linked articles even have a byline. I imagine they're so filled with false or misleading information that no one wants to take credit for writing the damn things.

Anyhow, leave it to you, Drew, to get more upset about the fact that Michael Moore allegedly owns Halliburton stock, rather than the fact that Cheney does. Which presents a more drastic and deplorable conflict of interest? The guy who makes a film, or the guy whose company gets the rebuilding contracts after starting a war killing thousands?

You keep going after those damn writer/directors Drew...myself, I'll stick to holding the real power brokers accountable. 

On a side note: I guess you can read the introduction line in the first article one of several ways. Here's another:

"Michael Moore's President Bush's success as a filmmaker Cowboy and "working-class hero" is part of a carefully crafted image that bears little connection with reality..."

Seems to me, Bush and Moore were made for each other.


mrC

[ChadTower]

Actually, I never really cared that he made them.  To me they're just another propaganda film, no better or worse than hundreds on both sides of the fence over the last 75 years.  His were just higher profile because Hollywood embraced them for some reason.

One of the main reasons I've never really criticized the films themselves is that I've never seen them.  I tried to watch one of them, forget which, but the film style and the RATATATAT pace preaching was too annoying to bother finishing regardless of content.

[shmokes]

Mr. C,

I have to say, a lot of that is nonsense.  Is it worse for Cheney to own stock in Halliburton?  Sure.  Of course.  But we don't just look around and find the most evil thing we can so we can oppose that and allow everything else to pass under the radar.  The measure of whether Michael Moore deserves support or derision isn't whether there is someone worse than him, but rather whether he, himself, is bad, dishonest, lacks integrity or fat.

To say that Michael Moore is just a filmmaker and you'd rather worry about the big power brokers presents a false dichotomy.  Because, of course, we could always worry about both of them. 

It's also disingenuous because, afterall, you do worry about what Michael Moore has to say.  In fact a lot of people worry about what he has to say and you should be as concerned about the lies he tells as you are about the lies that Rush Limbaugh tells.

You can't take the high road and expose the lack of honesty and integrity in the right wing media if you're going to turn around and condone the same kind of crap on your side.  If Rush Limbaugh was railing on people with drug addictions and then turned out to be a drug addict himself you would be all over that.  If only...

...and so on.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I have to say, a lot of that is nonsense...

I know. I was just playing Anti-Drew. Trying to imagine how he'd actually defend Moore, were he on "my side" of the aisle. I was absolutely being disingenuous. I think it's horrible for anyone to profit from misery as much as Halliburton does and it's stockholders should be ashamed of themselves (I won't be holding my breath). That said, I doubt the linked articles have anything of substance though, so I'm not going to get my panties bunched up about some innuendo being spread on a right-wing rag, the likes of which features Rabbi Shmuley Boteach (Michael Jackson's whacked out Rabbi) and Jerry Falwell as a regular contributors.

If Rush Limbaugh was railing on people with drug addictions and then turned out to be a drug addict himself you would be all over that.

Well, this is sort of disingenuous on your part...Rush Limbaugh is a pillar of society. To even dare suggest he might partake in any sins of the flesh, and/or other debauchery is beyond the pale. Furthermore, I haven't started any topics re: Rush, as opposed to Drew's penchant for self-immolating posts re: Moore's financial holdings.


mrC

[mr.Curmudgeon]

And just to preempt Drew's inevitable response:

 

and...

 

and...

 




There. Saved us all a bunch of time, now this stupid topic can peacefully scroll off the page.

mrC

[DrewKaree]

You might disagree with Micheal Moore, but to call him names... come on now.

I'm not calling him names.  I'm calling him adjectives.

He IS fat.
He IS an ass hat.
He IS a liar.

Unless you are going to concede that this guy's book is as factually correct as Moore's movies (which also means I'm calling the guy a liar ) then he IS a liar.

He has an opinion and hes sharing it. Atleast he doesnt make up information.

Again, unless you are going to concede that this guy's book is as factually correct as Moore's movies...well, that's about all I have to say about that.

Not really.  He shared his opinion.  Since you're going to concede that this guy's book is as factually correct as Moore's movies, then Moore's OPINIONS are in DIRECT CONTRADICTION with the opinions and methods he frames them in for his movies.

MrC, if the source of the article is the problem for you, check out the book.  It's not an article about what some reporter wants to write, it's essentially a book review.  I don't even CARE if the guy is right, I simply enjoy Moore's tactics being used on a smaller scale against him.  Eventually, if this plays out the same as Moore's tripe, you'll be able to post some article about how the author is being sued by multiple people for misrepresenting them.

You also forgot  and 

Oh, and how I'm goosestepping to Beck's propoganda and disseminating his talking points for him and drinking the Kool-Aid.  I thought of you today.  I was listening to him talk about a grown man named "Scooter" and his opinion on the situation.  I laughed a little bit realizing you don't even know you agree with a recovering alcoholic conservative!  

Never assume you can play the Anti-me.  You never know when my master will change the party line

[AtomSmasher]

He has an opinion and hes sharing it. Atleast he doesnt make up information.

Actually he does make up information, such as the newspaper headlines shown in F 9/11, most of them were made up.  He also alters things to make worse then they are, such as in bowling in columbine he goes into a bank in Texas, opens a bank account, and then walks out with the free gun he gets for opening the account.  what he didn't show was that he actually had to wait several months before getting the gun, but he just happened to dress in the same clothes and forget to mention the waiting period because we all know hes 100% honest about everything.  I'm sure theres much worse stuff in the movies, I never really paid attention to any of his movies this is just the few random things I remember that were misleading at best.  Michael Moores movies have an agenda, anyone who watches them as absolute fact is an idiot....this goes for Rush Limbaugh as well.

[DrewKaree]

Wait, I heard Rush is right 98.4% of the time.

Crap.  NOW who do I believe?

Oh, I've got it.  Glenn Beck.  He's my master and the Kool-Aid giver.  Ask MrC.  He'll 'splain it all for you.

[AtomSmasher]

Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that.

[shmokes]

I'm not calling him names.  I'm calling him adjectives.

He IS fat.
He IS an ass hat.
He IS a liar.

Hmm....It's back to English class with drew.  While "fat" is an adjective, "Ass hat" and "liar" are, in fact, nouns (or names, in this case) as indicated by the indefinite articles "an" and "a" that precede them.

[Jabba]

I'm not calling him names.

[shmokes]

He has an opinion and hes sharing it. Atleast he doesnt make up information.

Actually he does make up information, such as the newspaper headlines shown in F 9/11, most of them were made up.  He also alters things to make worse then they are, such as in bowling in columbine he goes into a bank in Texas, opens a bank account, and then walks out with the free gun he gets for opening the account.  what he didn't show was that he actually had to wait several months before getting the gun, but he just happened to dress in the same clothes and forget to mention the waiting period because we all know hes 100% honest about everything.  I'm sure theres much worse stuff in the movies, I never really paid attention to any of his movies this is just the few random things I remember that were misleading at best.  Michael Moores movies have an agenda, anyone who watches them as absolute fact is an idiot....this goes for Rush Limbaugh as well.

It's been a long time since I saw Bowling for Columbine, but I seem to remember the lady specifically saying that the guns were right there in the vault and that he would get one the same day.  I might just be dreaming this up in my head, though.  It's been a long time.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Then there was that time that Michael Moore said that Saddam had connections with Al Qaeda. Then there was that time he said that Saddam had enormous stockpiles of WMD, and that he knew - exactly - where they were located, "They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

Then there was that time Michael Moore said Saddam was "actively pursuing a nuclear weapon", and that he was in fact, trying to purchase Uranium from Niger. And let's not forget the countless times Moore stated that Iraq posed an "imminent threat" to the United States of America, then pulled weapons inspectors out, instead of allowing them to finalize their findings into this matter.

Michael Moore is a big, fat, LIAR! Michael Moore lied and innocent troops DIED! That fat, treasonous, son-of-a-b!tch! He should be hung from his neck until he is dead, right in the center of New York City!



mrC

[Havok]

Michael Moore needs to get more sleep...

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=45809.0

[Dexter]

Thing is, you can argue that not every single thing in moores documentaries are 100% accurate, but what you can't argue is that things in these documentaries were not being reported to the masses by anybody else and they need to be out in the public domain so that intelligent people can make up their own minds about the overall picture.

If agencies and reporters did their jobs properly there would be no cans of worms for him to open in the first place. His success comes from others failures to do their jobs.

Now where did that darn pet goat get to?? 

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I was listening to him talk about a grown man named "Scooter" and his opinion on the situation.  I laughed a little bit realizing you don't even know you agree with a recovering alcoholic conservative!

Depending on what he said, it's completely possible I'd agree with a recovering alcoholic/drug addict conservative blowhard. For example, I agree with Bush that he should fire Karl Rove. I agree with Rush Limbaugh that "too many whites are getting away with drug use" and "the answer [to excessive drug abuse in our country] is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."

The GOP is in such shambles, and the leadership in this country is so abysmal that, lately, I find myself agreeing with PAT FRICKIN'  BUCHANAN!

Seriously. When that nutjob starts sounding reasonable...something is seriously wrong with the direction our country is headed.


mrC

[versapak]

It's been a long time since I saw Bowling for Columbine, but I seem to remember the lady specifically saying that the guns were right there in the vault and that he would get one the same day. I might just be dreaming this up in my head, though. It's been a long time.

http://www.slimindustries.com/~bowling/bowlingforcolumbine/bank.htm

[DrewKaree]

something something something

You're speaking as if you understand what a documentary is.  Moore's movies are anything BUT documentaries. 

I didn't want to be the one to break it to you, but Anchorman is a work of fiction too, not a brilliant expose of how the media works.

[DrewKaree]

...lately, I find myself agreeing with PAT FRICKIN'  BUCHANAN!

mrC

I knew it was only a matter of time before the "special sauce" started to take effect!

[jbox]

You're speaking as if you understand what a documentary is.  Moore's movies are anything BUT documentaries. 

Is Gonzo writing a form of journalism? Or should studios fund pieces about the environment simply because we like to see animal's gettin' it on? 

I completely agree that Moore diverges from what used to be considered 'documentary'-making, and indeed I've heard the word "Mockumentary" used to describe the catagory (like the McDonalds, Enron, et al movies) to denote the fact that the editor is not just trying to show you facts, they are trying to get you upset about them using additional presentation tactics. But I am no more annoyed by him then I am television stations, or newspapers or even radio stations that have all moved far, far away from the original heart of journalism because people don't care. If you want time on their emotional clock you need more than a textbook these days regardless of the issue or the medium. 

Anyone who treats anything other than a textbook as 'textbook' is just asking to be made fun of. But I'm surprised you aren't happy to see more liberals start down the dark path of ends-means towards conservatism. 

[DrewKaree]

Just because he's bicurious about the dark side doesn't mean I want that fat ass hat on my team.  In fact, if he joins "my side", I may have to invent a new party just so I'm not associated with him

[jbox]

That was worth the strange looks. "bi-curious", classic.

[shmokes]

Just because he's bicurious about the dark side doesn't mean I want that fat ass hat on my team.  In fact, if he joins "my side", I may have to invent a new party just so I'm not associated with him

I'm having a harder time identifying nouns and adjectives in this one.  Do you mean he's a fat-ass hat, or a fat ass-hat?  Hopefully the latter, or some poor bastard is gonna have a sore neck.

[DrewKaree]

Just because he's bicurious about the dark side doesn't mean I want that fat ass hat on my team.  In fact, if he joins "my side", I may have to invent a new party just so I'm not associated with him

I'm having a harder time identifying nouns and adjectives in this one.  Do you mean he's a fat-ass hat, or a fat ass-hat?  Hopefully the latter, or some poor bastard is gonna have a sore neck.

You're asking ME to figure i t out?  I can't even figure out what an adjective or noun IS, much less tell the difference   I think the answer is....BOTH!

Howard Dean prolly wouldn't mind wearing that fat-ass like a hat, and I think that fat ass is an ass hat. 

fat ass hat

I know there's some term for phrases like that, where the middle word works for both words on either side, but my Engrish skeelz have long since left me.

[jbox]

How tempting is it to want to post either the F-word or S-word essays right about now? 

[Dexter]

something something something

You're speaking as if you understand what a documentary is.

[Scott84]

Moore is making two new movies

Sicko - On the american health care system

F 9/11 1/2 - you know exactly what this is.

If Moore is such a liar, then why isnt he getting sued?

I dont agree with Moore as much as you guys think. Its just, if everyone said moore sucked, then so would this topic.

[ChadTower]

One of you can piss farther than the rest of you.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

...lately, I find myself agreeing with PAT FRICKIN'  BUCHANAN!

mrC

I knew it was only a matter of time before the "special sauce" started to take effect!

mrC

[DrewKaree]

Here we go again. Instead of misquoting me should read my post. I point out that not everything is 100% undeniably true.

Yet you still call them "documentaries".  If you want to make your point clear, use the words that will do so.  Calling his crap a "documentary" regardless the amount or percentage you claim to be true implies that you still believe his movies to be documentaries.  I'm glad I can sustain you, but perhaps you should find a DK Anonymous group in your area.  I'm all that and a bag of chips, I know, but eventually someone will eat the chips.