I'm going to be Curmudgeonly

[ChadTower]

But you go ahead and focus on the narrow picture...

I focus on the picture that means thousands of dollars in extra taxes for my family, when we are already hurting financially.

Why would I focus on something else?

[Dartful Dodger]

Jesus. Can't you're lazy-ass be inspired enough to do a 2 sec. search on Google to find out for yourself? Damn.

The Clinton News Network only says that Bush's committee came up with this plan, it doesn't say if Bush refused or accepted the plan.

[ChadTower]

That is correct.

I started the complaining earlier than usual because this is not a smooth Conservative move.

[Stingray]

Countdown for that one being sent to hell. 5... 4... 3...

-S

Close to three hours. That's not very on-the-ball is it?

-S

[MameJunkie]

Mods are around...at least in the Main section.
They took off a link to fleabay on a dumb guy selling roms & emulators.

[MameJunkie]

Pre-Hell post 

[Dartful Dodger]

Post-Hell post

[ChadTower]

It's like a coach running on the field to get ejected.

Sometimes, you have to fall on your own sword to rally the troops.

[Santoro]

they got it.  pic gone.

[abrannan]

But you go ahead and focus on the narrow picture...

I focus on the picture that means thousands of dollars in extra taxes for my family, when we are already hurting financially.

Why would I focus on something else?

Oh, I don't know, probably the fact that the other aspects of the plan mean you'll be paying thousands LESS in income taxes, while getting a little less back on your mortgage interest.  Net result to your family is that you'll have a few thousand MORE in your pocket, which will help you financially. 

[MameJunkie]

I read somewhere that yes the mortage interest deduction is gone but that will be translated to some type of credit.  Still use in some calculation but to a lesser degree.

We'll just have to see what actually makes in thru and become live.

[Havok]

But you go ahead and focus on the narrow picture...

I focus on the picture that means thousands of dollars in extra taxes for my family, when we are already hurting financially.

Why would I focus on something else?

Oh, I don't know, probably the fact that the other aspects of the plan mean you'll be paying thousands LESS in income taxes, while getting a little less back on your mortgage interest.

[ChadTower]

Oh, I don't know, probably the fact that the other aspects of the plan mean you'll be paying thousands LESS in income taxes, while getting a little less back on your mortgage interest.

[allroy1975]

don't taxes need to go up?  isn't that how it works? 
republicans keep saying no new taxes....tax cuts..wooo!  meanwhile everything gets all horked
then the democrats come in..fix everything but raise taxes and eventually people get sick of paying higher taxes so they let the republicans come in and hork everything up to get taxes down a couple bucks?

Seriously...don't flame me too hard...i have NO idea what i'm talking about.  I'm just trying to get my post count up.

Allroy

[ChadTower]

No, no one ever comes in and fixes anything. 

No matter who is in, they hork it all up, and they all raise taxes.

The line between Democrat and Republican is pretty much nil now except for partisan behavior.  Neither party is interested in what is best for the people or America.

[allroy1975]

Yeah! 


(still working on that post count  )

[Dartful Dodger]

No, no one ever comes in and fixes anything.

[ChadTower]

It is not fixed until something better replaces it.

Has that happened?

[Dartful Dodger]

It is not fixed until something better replaces it.

Has that happened?

Raw sewage/nothing is something better.

[MameJunkie]

One of the items Bush said the new tax calulations had to do was to take in AT LEAST the same amount of $$$.  That means best case = same as now but good chance it will go up.

[ChadTower]

Another:

We've all seen the original... this one is funny.

[markrvp]

That made me laugh so hard I couldn't breathe.  The part where the lasers hit him and he collapses out of frame is priceless. 

[Ed_McCarron]

That means best case = same as now but good chance it will go up.

Best case is the 100k + earners who manage to hide whatever they can in assorted tax shelters pay their fair share, and us middle class folks get a break.

Not holding my breath.  I'm still fighting with Pennsylvania over $8 they owe me from 2003.

[ChadTower]

Here in MA, people around $100k ARE middle class.

[Ed_McCarron]

Never thought of that.  I guess class definition changes based on location.

I've always considered myself middle class (except when drinking, then definitely low class) but I make half of what you just mentioned.

Gotta go restructure my world views again.

[ChadTower]

Here, any household under $70k combined income can pretty much kiss owning a home goodbye.

Anyone making less than $30k is going to have trouble finding an apt that's not a rathole.

Anyone making less than $20k is barely able to own a car if they have housing expenses.

[Havok]

100K is about average I would think for a combined income...

[ChadTower]

In most parts of the country, I suspect it's not, once you factor in cost of childcare for both parents to work.

[Ed_McCarron]

My wife stopped working when we had our son.  Her salary wouldn't have made up for the child care and tax penalties for a double income family.

Even my tax guy has no clue what these proposed changes would do in the real world.  He doesn't seem concerned about losing his livelyhood anytime soon.

I started reading thru the 46+ pages of the report, but lost my mind somewhere after the executive summary.

[Santoro]

Here, any household under $70k combined income can pretty much kiss owning a home goodbye.

Anyone making less than $30k is going to have trouble finding an apt that's not a rathole.

Anyone making less than $20k is barely able to own a car if they have housing expenses.

Same here (NYC/NJ) but maybe a little worse.

[Ed_McCarron]

I'm not far south of you, in the Philly 'burbs.

Amazing how cost-of-living fluctuates.

Taxes:  fluc 'em all.

[Santoro]

I think that I am easily commutable to NYC is the thing.  Same with Chad to Boston. 

Nothing against Philly or anything, just not as big a city.

[Ed_McCarron]

"Nothing against Philly or anything, just not as big a city."

Smells just as bad.  Nope, you are 100% right.  I forget how big other cities are - I avoid them as much as possible.

[ChadTower]

Eastern MA, along with NYC and parts of CA, are the most expensive places in the US to live.  The next places aren't even all that close, either.