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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2005, 04:59:25 am »
I love the patriotic flare-up that explodes when the criticism comes from outside the country.  People who would normally jump at the chance to criticize our liberally biased, conservative-corporate owned, self-serving, blood chasing, muck-raking, pullitzer chasing, neutered media, are suddenly behind them 100%.  I don't know anything about Irish media, but I see no reason to dismiss the idea out of hand that it's superior to ours.
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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2005, 05:39:49 am »
Superior? Who knows. Unbiased on reporting the Iraq war and american elections which was my original point. DEFINITELY.

Our media also has the "disgusting" habit of showing the bodies of dead Irish soldiers who died in the line of duty returning home. Fancy that. Yourr media is obviously FAR superior taking its direction from the bush regieme to sweep it under the carpet in case it hurts his poll ratings.

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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2005, 01:01:03 pm »
shmokes no one is defending our media, we are criticizing the Irish media.

Dexter, shmokes is on your side.

Although, I might be the one that's confused, when your posts are unbiased it's hard to tell what you're actually saying.

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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2005, 01:02:15 pm »

I have a strong bias against pronouns.

There is a strong bias against pronouns in me.

Pronouns are bad.

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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2005, 03:22:16 pm »

shmokes no one is defending our media, we are criticizing the Irish media.


To which you have had zero exposure.
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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2005, 03:37:42 pm »
I think the problem with a lot of our media outlets (and this is not just confined to the United States) is that too many companies are owned by a handful of extremely wealthy generally very right-wing men. It's inevitable that such people tend to see world events from a pro-corporate pro-capitalist perspective and this gets reflected in the editorial policy of the companies they control.

Most European countries also have (generally respected) state sponsored but editorially independent media outlets, and although these outlets are probably biased in their own way as well, at least it means that people in Europe are exposed to different perspectives.

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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2005, 03:52:34 pm »
To which you have had zero exposure.

The last time I was in Ireland I got my picture in the local paper.

"Dartful Dodger from Chicago visits the home where his grand parents once lived..."

It was a very unbiased article.

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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2005, 04:09:57 pm »
So apparently, your one experience with the irish media backs up Dexter's claims  :)
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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2005, 10:04:10 am »
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I think the problem with a lot of our media outlets (and this is not just confined to the United States) is that too many companies are owned by a handful of extremely wealthy generally very right-wing men.
Another IMHO, but the more I talk to other people about this the more convinced I become that rational, critical thinking people on both sides have a reducing pool of "good media" to draw from. I have come to the conclusion that it is the "rich" part of TV owner's that is the problem, not their particular leaning.

In a word: advertising. The more thoughtful and clinical a person you are the less likey you are to buy something because of a flashy add. Hence there is simply no good reason for someone to pay to put a TV show on free-to-air for you, because you will lose them money. Theoretically cable should be different, but the number of adds they run show that they look at advertising figures just as much as 'free' TV. Sponsered TV has less demand to "pay for itself", so they can put whatever they want on (sometimes better, sometimes worse).

So start buying more product which advertise in the shows you like.  ;D
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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2005, 10:22:05 am »
The BBC is paid for by the British taxpayers. There are no advertisements on BBC television (or radio if I remember correctly). Also, IMHO the BBC has the best news service in the world.

That said, Public Broadcasting in the US mostly sucks (though I do like to watch a PBS documentary every now and then). Not sure why.
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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2005, 10:26:06 am »

PBS sucks because it doesn't have to be good to exist.

Commerical TV and Radio have to have viewers/listeners to continue to exist.  PBS does not, because it is taxpayer funded no matter how much it sucks.

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Re: Unbiased reporting
« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2005, 09:16:47 pm »
I think the only constraint on our press should be that they be prevented from issuing "We're going into Fallujah, promptly at dawn tomorrow", and "police will be raiding know drug houses tomorrow" reports.

Having been a soldier, and given that I am currently in the process of joining the local sheriff's reserves, I find both of these reports completely out of line.
I do fully support, and would welcome in any action that I am involved in, "heat of the action" and "after the fact" reports, however.

There were many acts commited during the recent catastrophes in Louisiana, that were reported by the press, that I think should be tried in court; but when the "freedom of the press" compromises the safety of our military, our police, or our citizens, the people responsible should be held accountable--just as they are in "freedom of speech" cases.
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