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RIP PSP?
« on: October 25, 2005, 04:21:47 am »
Apart from the obvious fact that the PSP is way too expensive/fragile/complicated to dominate the handheld market - I as a PSP owner believe it is doomed.
Why? Because primarily sony see it as a media device and a gaming device second, and you know what has killed the PSP - not the DS (although it sells more) but the ipod video...

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2005, 05:03:25 am »
Apart from the obvious fact that the PSP is way too expensive/fragile/complicated to dominate the handheld market - I as a PSP owner believe it is doomed.
Why? Because primarily sony see it as a media device and a gaming device second, and you know what has killed the PSP - not the DS (although it sells more) but the ipod video...

lmfao one of our video rental places here, have MORE psp movies to rent than new release dvds, and almost none for sale..

Its laughable..

WEEE lets watch movies on a tiny screen..

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2005, 06:07:57 am »
Apart from the obvious fact that the PSP is way too expensive/fragile/complicated to dominate the handheld market - I as a PSP owner believe it is doomed.
Why? Because primarily sony see it as a media device and a gaming device second, and you know what has killed the PSP - not the DS (although it sells more) but the ipod video...

lmfao one of our video rental places here, have MORE psp movies to rent than new release dvds, and almost none for sale..

Its laughable..

WEEE lets watch movies on a tiny screen..

and whats even funnier is that in the UK we will soon have a PSP giga pack, this comes with a 1gb memory stick, psp and... 'PSP Stand' so you can mount your psp upright and enjoy movies on the 'small screen' in your room!

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2005, 07:22:59 am »
im betting are all these negative comments are from people who dont own one.  :police:
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2005, 08:21:11 am »
im betting are all these negative comments are from people who dont own one.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2005, 08:41:00 am »
im betting are all these negative comments are from people who dont own one.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2005, 08:48:54 am »
Its not that we dont own PSPS its that we do but are FED UP with the fact that sony seems to see it more as a movie player (Which ipod video does better anyway) than a games machine.
Where are the games eh? yet there are shelves of UMD movies that I have NO desire to buy...

This is the kind of crap people want nowadays.  Useless gadgets - people love spending money on them.

On another note I went into a Virgin megastore yesterday (first time I've been in a shope which sells games for a long time) and was surprised (shocked) at how much PSP stuff was there.  I literally couldn't even find the PS2, Xbox etc. games *anywhere*.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2005, 09:58:29 am »
darthbane, have you seen a video Ipod in person?  I'm just curious why you're so sure it'll destroy the PSP.  Its got a smaller screen, and a 4:3 ratio which is hardly ideal for video.  I can't see the Video Ipod screen being any better than the PSP with it being the size/ratio it is.  How do they look if you have seen one?

Frankly, I don't see any demise of the PSP coming at all, but that's your opinion.
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2005, 10:43:33 am »
with over 10 million PSP's sold, I cant see them becoming extinct anytime soon

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2005, 10:44:40 am »

uh, 10 million where?

If 8 million of that is outside the US, it could easily die here.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2005, 10:56:05 am »
everyone keeps calling it expensive..

but its just barely below the power of a fullsized PS2, but its only a fraction of the size ar 1/2" thick and 6 inches long....small enough to fit in a back pocket...
has a high definition widescreen monitor.
has the capabilites of running homebrew code at 333mhz.
Wifi and Internet ready
Plays movies, music, games pictures,ebooks,MP4's

I mean not for nothing, but i seem to remember paying 300 bucks for an N64 when it came out new. and it didnt have nearly as much power or do a fraction as much/.
i dont see the psp as being exuberant for what it offers.
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2005, 11:01:14 am »

What a foolish comparison.

Let's compare it to the 2600, too.  I mean, the 2600 was nearly $300 and can't do crap compared to the PSP.

How about we make a better comparison and compare it to the retail price points for other handhelds?  The only one I can ever remember even being close to the PSP is the TurboExpress, which was so much better that any other handheld it was still the best quality handheld ever produced until the PSP itself.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2005, 12:56:32 pm »
Theres nothing that compares....
its the only of its kind for all that it does in a single package.
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2005, 01:53:29 pm »
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6136272.html

10 million PSPs served worldwide
Sony's widescreen handheld reaches a new milestone as the fastest shipping PlayStation machine in history.
TOKYO--Sony Computer Entertainment announced today that its PlayStation Portable has shipped 10 million cumulative units worldwide as of this morning. A shipment of 10 million units within just 10 months of launch is the fastest penetration speed for a PlayStation gaming machine in history.

Broken down by territory, Sony has sent 3 million units to Japan and Asia (launch date: December 12, 2004), 4.47 million units to North America (launch date: March 24, 2005), and 2.53 million units to Europe and other PAL regions (launch date: September 1, 2005).

However, the system's software-to-hardware ratio leaves much to be desired, as SCE disclosed that it has shipped 19.6 million PSP games as of September, a tie ratio of less than two games per unit. It seems the machine is being used for watching UMD movies almost as much as playing games, as shipments of video titles on the proprietary format exceeded 15 million units as of September.

A newly announced Giga Pack with a 1GB memory stick could spur sales of the hardware this holiday season, while portable versions of popular console franchises like SSX, X-Men Legends, Virtua Tennis, Prince of Persia, and WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw could improve the ratio of game-to-hardware shipments.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2005, 01:56:23 pm »
Bah....exaggerators.  N64 debuted at $249.99
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2005, 02:07:24 pm »

But the PSP has more r0xx0r than the Saturn, which debuted at $399.99.

That must mean it is a better deal.

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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2005, 02:42:35 pm »
id take a saturn anyday :P
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2005, 02:53:15 pm »
darthbane, have you seen a video Ipod in person?

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2005, 06:20:01 pm »
UMD video is useless, but you can convert video to your mem card FOR FREE.

Plus, frankly, I don't see how they can even be compared other than being handheld gadgets.  I think the video ipod will sell great, hell I even want one and am trying to get one (see sig), but it's not going to kill the PSP.  It's just not.

You may think that Sony isn't focusing on games, which I tend to agree with... but its STILL A GAME SYSTEM.  You may not like the choices for games on the PSP right now, but what are your game choices for the video Ipod.... oh thats right... nothing.  Unless they put Breakout on it again.

I just don't see the comparison.  I'm not even saying that the PSP won't die... but if it does... it won't be because of the Video Ipod
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2005, 07:27:01 pm »
Yeah...I don't care whether Sony is pushing the PMP thing or not.  People who buy a PSP are buying it for the games first.  Yes, yes....I know there are exceptions, but that's what they are....exceptions.  I, for example, would like to own a PSP.  I now would also like to upgrade my 3G iPod to the new 5G (though have no intentions of doing something so foolish).  But having one or the other wouldn't diminish my desire for either of them one bit.  They're just not even competitors.  It's like saying that Popular Pocket PC device will eat into the sales of a DVD player because both can play music in MP3 format.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2005, 08:01:22 pm »
Theres nothing that compares....
its the only of its kind for all that it does in a single package.


O RLY?

No Not rly..

Its a POS..  ::)

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2005, 08:39:20 pm »


O RLY?

No Not rly..

Its a POS..  ::)

wow, great argument.... ::)
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2005, 09:08:53 pm »
Pfffffffft!

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2005, 09:12:34 pm »
UMD video is useless, but you can convert video to your mem card FOR FREE.


Actually its the other way around, Mem card movies are pretty crappy, + the fact that storage for them is expensive.  UMD movies, OTOH, are gorgeous, and if you bargain hunt can be had for ~13 sometimes.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2005, 09:24:38 pm »
UMD video is useless, but you can convert video to your mem card FOR FREE.


Actually its the other way around, Mem card movies are pretty crappy, + the fact that storage for them is expensive. UMD movies, OTOH, are gorgeous, and if you bargain hunt can be had for ~13 sometimes.


UMD movies are NEVER a bargain, uunless you manage to score em for $5 or less.

They are a proprietary format, that only plays on the PSP's small (large for handheld, but small compared to TV) screen, and they cost MORE than a DVD of the same movie, that also is loaded with extra features.

Buy the DVD, and if you must have a portable version, then just rip it and use a memstick, the hit in quality can't be bad enough to justify the purchase of the UMD format.



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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2005, 11:04:27 pm »
UMD video is useless, but you can convert video to your mem card FOR FREE.


Actually its the other way around, Mem card movies are pretty crappy, + the fact that storage for them is expensive.  UMD movies, OTOH, are gorgeous, and if you bargain hunt can be had for ~13 sometimes.

Sorry, but I disagree.

I'd rather buy a DVD that I can watch at home, on my computer, on my laptop, on my portable dvd player, AND rip to a mem card on a PSP.

My roommate puts movies on his PSP, and they look fine to me.  AS sharp as a UMD? maybe not, but I'll take that over a $20 UMD any day of the week.

As far as cheaper... no.... Spend $60 ONCE to get a 1gig card... thats 3, maybe 4 UMD movies.   I have 300 DVDs... what do you think is more cost effective??  Even buying a 2gig Mem card, equivalent to 10 or 15 movies on UMD, is a better deal than buying the UMDs themselves, assuming you have more than 15 dvds and ANYTHING else capable of playing a DVD.
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Re: RIP PSP?
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2005, 12:56:14 am »


O RLY?

No Not rly..

Its a POS..  ::)

wow, great argument.... ::)

No argument needed.. PSP is trash..

its a giant gimmick, nothing more than that.. i give it another year tops of life..

again, great argument.  I dont even own one, but it really is quite impressive.

Why is it a gimmick?  what makes you say that it'll be gone in a year, especially considering that the PSP has moved more units than the PSX or PS2 in teh same time frame of their life cycles

But I suppose both of the playstations were gimmicks too, right?
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2005, 07:35:46 am »
If its such a crappy system, how did they sell 10 million of them.


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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2005, 07:51:01 am »
being able to play Samurai Showdown and Blazing Star ,full screen, full speed while sitting on my crapper is all the "gimmick" i needed :P
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2005, 08:47:27 am »


O RLY?

No Not rly..

Its a POS..  ::)

wow, great argument.... ::)

No argument needed.. PSP is trash..

its a giant gimmick, nothing more than that.. i give it another year tops of life..

again, great argument.  I dont even own one, but it really is quite impressive.

Why is it a gimmick?  what makes you say that it'll be gone in a year, especially considering that the PSP has moved more units than the PSX or PS2 in teh same time frame of their life cycles

But I suppose both of the playstations were gimmicks too, right?

Its an easily scratched, broken, 300$ toy, that does MP3 (poorly) Video (Poorly, its a tiny screen, give me a break) And gaming (also half assed)..

It does lots of great things, but all half assed.. Its easily breakable..

Lets not even start with sony refusing to replace dead pixle units..



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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2005, 11:50:56 am »
Something not mentioned yet is the fact that several manufacturers are releasing PSP hard drives. So now you can have gigabytes of games and emulators in a handheld platform.
I've got a PSP, and I absolutley LOVE it. The screen is a decent size, it's easy to hack and program for.

I've already ported Quake to the PSP, and I'me currently working on a PS1 emulator for the psp. I've got a working version of it that plays slow right now.

I think with the introduction of mass storage for the PSP, new possiblities will emerge.
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2005, 12:27:29 pm »
Apart from the obvious fact that the PSP is way too expensive/fragile/complicated to dominate the handheld market - I as a PSP owner believe it is doomed.
Why? Because primarily sony see it as a media device and a gaming device second, and you know what has killed the PSP - not the DS (although it sells more) but the ipod video...

I don't think PSP can dominate the handheld market because it simply isn't small enough.  There's an important niche, for portable gaming systems that are not only portable, but small and convenient enough to be really practical to bring along.  GBA is pretty much the only platform that can do that right now, apart from cell phones.  GBA is a very limited platform, of course, and the limitations show particularly in the poorer third-party titles on the platform.

That said, for those times when that level of convenience is not needed, PSP is a fantastic gaming system - and with the size and quality of the screen it's easy to see why they're pushing it for media, too.  Portable video players are mostly untapped territory, apart from things like portable DVD players (which are much larger than a PSP).  They've just got to get more games for the thing.  That'll happen in time - Sony's put enough into the system that they're not going to let it fail.  The first year of a console's life the titles are always a little sparse...

Personally, for games, I'm more interested in the DS at this point.  The PSP games I might have been interested have all turned out to be something other than what I was hoping for (like AC: Formula Front and Metal Gear Acid).  There are still some impressive titles I'd love to have, like Mercury - but for the most part the DS's unique capabilities are a greater draw for me.  Likewise for homebrew: the idea of storing homebrew on memory sticks is attractive, but I don't want to deal with a homebrew-friendly PSP getting re-flashed when I run a new game...  With the DS that can't happen.  Software can't re-flash the firmware unless a jumper in the unit is shorted.  I don't know of anything already home-brewed for the PSP that I couldn't live without on DS (I'm guessing the arcade emulations for PSP are a lot better, though) and for my own home-brew work, I'm more interested in DS's novel capabilities than PSP's raw power.  But I want to stress that that's just me it doesn't reflect on the vitality of the PSP homebrew scene as a rule.

But I really believe the best for the PSP is yet to come.  It's absurd to declare the platform's life is coming to an end.  It's just starting.

As for the comparison with the new iPod, I think there is no comparison.  It's not even worth making the comparison.  PSP would be good in place of a portable DVD player, for long train trips and odd times at conventions...  iPod is much more convenient to carry and use, but the tradeoff is there with the smaller screen.  It plays video, but it's still a music player at its core.
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2005, 12:45:26 pm »
only issue with the psp is the mandatory firmware upgrades that are required to play top games.  GTA just came out and it requires the 2.0 update to run.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2005, 12:59:54 pm »

Can you web browse wirelessly on a ipod video?



Dont even go there - even as  a PSP owner I can admit that the web browser is bloody crap (out of memory problems anyone?  ::) ) and how are you using the browser if you are running home brew? conflict of firmware is that not?

I'll stick to my SUPERIOR ipaq with pocket internet explorer for web browsing thanks...

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2005, 01:01:54 pm »

As for the comparison with the new iPod, I think there is no comparison.

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« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2005, 04:42:28 pm »
God, GTA is so good.  I swear to god, you people who don't think so have just driven around performing random acts of violence and after the novelty wore off, said, "Well, it's impressive, but it gets old."  If you actually play through the narative, though.....damn.  Especially San Andreas, but Vice City as well (never did more than the random acts of violence thing with GTA III) are expertly scripted and acted.  The stories are great.  The action is loads of fun.  And so on.

As for the PSP.....I think it's a great device.  It's innovative and tiny for what it's got inside.  It's much more powerful than the DS and certainly capable of some amazing games.  Obviously if the PS2 is capable of great games, so is the PSP.  It's just too damned expensive.  That's its only flaw.  You can't expect it to have a touch screen.  And it does have innovations for a portable.  The screen, the analog control, the wireless, the media capabilities.  It's an innovative, brilliantly designed device. 

It's just too damned expensive and being marketed by monkeys.
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« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2005, 06:12:58 pm »

As for the comparison with the new iPod, I think there is no comparison.  It's not even worth making the comparison.  PSP would be good in place of a portable DVD player, for long train trips and odd times at conventions...  iPod is much more convenient to carry and use, but the tradeoff is there with the smaller screen.  It plays video, but it's still a music player at its core.
Interesting point but I disagree.Sony even said themselves that the PSP was in more of competition with the ipod than the Nintendo DS. They also called the PSP (on MANY occasions) the "Walkman for the 21st Century".
This is sonys main problem, they forget they have a handheld GAMES machine.

And why do you think apple went into video territory with the ipod anyway? its EVERYTHING to do with the PSP...
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how can it even compair to an Ipod?

it does MP3, right, but how well? oh right, CRAPPY

Video, again, tiny ass screen, useless..



Don't kid yourself... the Ipod is not a great MP3 player either.  Its simple to use, and very POPULAR, but not a real great player.

And the PSP screen is leaps and bounds above the Ipod screen... there is no comparison.  It's also much better than teh DS screen if you strictly consider clarity, brightness, and viewing angle.
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2005, 08:37:15 am »
Guess im one of the few that really dislike being pushed a 300 dollar product, that does NOTHING very well, it does a bunch of things "OK"

It games well i suppose, but how many really good games are there, that arnt rehashes of old tired games? what 2 or 3?

Ipod, might not be OMG SUPER PIMP WOO great mp3 player, id never buy one, hell id buy a creative before one of those, point is that the MP3 function on the PSP is garbage..

First off... Question... How are you being pushed anything? :P

The PSP plays games very well. You don't like the games? Then fine, but that hardly changes how well it plays them.

The PSP plays movies very well. You don't like the screen being "so small"? Then fine, but that hardly changes how well it plays them.

The bitter chip you have against this device is most interesting. Angry like it raped your dog or something.

The comparison to an ipod has got to be one of the stupidest comparisons ever. Did you compare the original PSX to a cd player? I bet the PS2 was a total piece of crap, because it couldn't play DVD's as well as an actual DVD player. Right?

They share some secondary features. That's it.





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« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2005, 11:09:55 am »
If i got bored, Id start up vice city and just cruise around listening to the music

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« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2005, 08:12:02 pm »
Guess im one of the few that really dislike being pushed a 300 dollar product, that does NOTHING very well, it does a bunch of things "OK"

It games well i suppose, but how many really good games are there, that arnt rehashes of old tired games? what 2 or 3?

Ipod, might not be OMG SUPER PIMP WOO great mp3 player, id never buy one, hell id buy a creative before one of those, point is that the MP3 function on the PSP is garbage..

First off... Question... How are you being pushed anything? :P

The PSP plays games very well. You don't like the games? Then fine, but that hardly changes how well it plays them.

The PSP plays movies very well. You don't like the screen being "so small"? Then fine, but that hardly changes how well it plays them.

The bitter chip you have against this device is most interesting. Angry like it raped your dog or something.

The comparison to an ipod has got to be one of the stupidest comparisons ever. Did you compare the original PSX to a cd player? I bet the PS2 was a total piece of crap, because it couldn't play DVD's as well as an actual DVD player. Right?

They share some secondary features. That's it.







No thats the thing..

If the IPOD (first ipod) was pushed as a MP3, DATA Storage unit, and not just a player, id say the same thing

Problem is, PSP has been advertised and hyped up as this all in one device which it does nothing VERY WELL..

Controls on a psp, Thumbstick is shite, buttons are to smooth, no texture, slippy, Its made out of the WORST easy to scratch plastic finish ive ever seen.. The mp3 function SUCKS, it handles playlists (laughable to call them that) like crap, theres no indexing what so ever of the music.. And video, oh sweet video.. OMG ITS HIGH DEF WTF!!11, yeah sure, it could be 1080 for all i care, its a TINY ASS SCREEN.. Pointless Feature +++

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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2005, 12:08:34 am »
ok... this argument is going nowhere... i propose this thread be closed.  but i am probably gonna get yelled at for that.   :police:

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« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2005, 05:14:12 am »
PSP is everywhere, sony has set up all these deal with retailers so the shelves are saturated with games, and the UMDs are there just to muscle out the DS and its games..

lol! how in the hell is the DS outselling it STILL?! I love that some people still buy things based on its games and not hype.

I agree, aside from the flat out amazing screen it does everything, meh, and nothing well.

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« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2005, 08:51:42 am »
the best features of the PSP are the features and products introduced by teh homebrewers.  Sony's stuff is meh.

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all of this arguing brings me back to my original point.. just what market IS the PSP in?

Its WHITE ear phones, hand strap and the fact that Sony itself bills it as the 'walkman for the 21st century' suggests to me its rivalling Apple for the MP3 market

The tons and tons of UMD movies (more releases than games!) and the new gigapack with 'movie stand' suggests to me that its a portable video player

or the games suggests its rivalling the likes of nintendo DS for the portable gaming market

yet the web browser and soon to be included TXT/MS Word file reader suggests its some sort of PDA...

Sony dont really seem to be focused with the PSP.

Its a jack of all trades and master of none. Trust me, we have 3 PSPs within my immediate family!

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« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2005, 01:25:24 pm »
The comparison to an ipod has got to be one of the stupidest comparisons ever. (...) I bet the PS2 was a total piece of crap, because it couldn't play DVD's as well as an actual DVD player. Right?

Actually, that is one worth getting angry about, IMO.  The box says the thing can play DVDs - but in my experience, there's a lot of commercially-released DVDs it simply can't play, because of shoddy hardware or shoddy firmware or both...  Like I'd get halfway through watching a movie and the thing would crash to a black screen claiming "unable to read disc" - when any component DVD player could do the job just fine.  If they weren't prepared to do the thing right they shouldn't have advertised that it could play DVD movies.

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The PSP plays games very well. You don't like the games? Then fine, but that hardly changes how well it plays them.

True, but the strength of a system isn't just in the hardware, it's in the games.  A game system can be really powerful, but that doesn't make it a better system unless it's got better games.

But that also means that the "quality of a system" is not an absolute, it's something that can vary person-to-person.  So far, the PSP has no value to me because I won't accept certain characteristics of it (battery life and, load time, mainly).  The potential for using it as a video player (by transferring my media to it, rather than by buying UMDs) is interesting, but not compelling.  And there's nothing in the game library that I'm driven to buy, either.  It's a luscious and beautiful machine, with at least one beautifully creative game on the platform (Mercury) but it's not for me.  The DS, on the other hand, fascinates me, and there are games for it I do want to own and play.  But for another person the situation could be totally different.

darthbane: I think you make good points about the PSP being apparently somewhat unfocused.  I think Sony's trying the old "embrace and extend" move: they're (IMO, and just barely) the strongest player in the current (about to be retired) generation of home consoles, and they're trying to extend that into not only the portable gaming market, but to also use the almost guraranteed popularity of their portable game machine to create a solid niche for themselves in portable video as well.  By selling PSPs they get a large base of customers who are prepared to buy memory sticks and UMDs.  Presumably the plan is that if the PSP does well, other UMD video players will appear from Sony, or maybe even other manufacturers, too.  Personally I don't think that'll work out in the end, but I think that's what they're attempting.

But to say that it's a "master of no trades" - the machine is very popular as a game system and for movies.  Lots of people have found it to their liking...  To them, at least, the device itself has proven itself and no amount of logical argument will change that.
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« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2005, 01:53:23 pm »
To them, at least, the device itself has proven itself and no amount of logical argument will change that.

Not when it continues to be outsold by Nintendo DS and GBA Micro...

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« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2005, 05:50:16 pm »
all of this arguing brings me back to my original point.. just what market IS the PSP in?
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Its a jack of all trades and master of none. Trust me, we have 3 PSPs within my immediate family!

I'm not sure what Sony thinks I should do with mine, but I got a great portable gaming machine that's good enough at a bunch of other things too.

I just finished spending like 13 hours on planes and I played UMD games, watched videos (off the stick), played emulators, listened to MP3s, read some PSP formatted magazines, and could've watched a UMD movie too but didn't. Kept me busy for a long time.

Don't buy it if you don't want one. But I don't see too many alternatives that are jack's of all trades. I don't need a perfect MP3 player. I'm happy with a great gaming machine that can do MP3 good enough. That's exactly what I needed. And the games are awesome. Works for me anyway... regardless how Sony is marketing it. Seems like there's a niche for it that nothing else is filling quite as well.

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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2005, 05:51:35 am »
all of this arguing brings me back to my original point.. just what market IS the PSP in?
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Its a jack of all trades and master of none. Trust me, we have 3 PSPs within my immediate family!

I'm not sure what Sony thinks I should do with mine, but I got a great portable gaming machine that's good enough at a bunch of other things too.

I just finished spending like 13 hours on planes and I played UMD games, watched videos (off the stick), played emulators, listened to MP3s, read some PSP formatted magazines, and could've watched a UMD movie too but didn't. Kept me busy for a long time.

Don't buy it if you don't want one. But I don't see too many alternatives that are jack's of all trades. I don't need a perfect MP3 player. I'm happy with a great gaming machine that can do MP3 good enough. That's exactly what I needed. And the games are awesome. Works for me anyway... regardless how Sony is marketing it. Seems like there's a niche for it that nothing else is filling quite as well.

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What do you mean dont buy one? I already own one.
My point is that I like many others bought it on the basis that it would be a handheld console. There has been a severe lack of quality software releases at the moment (hence DS selling more) as Sony seems to be putting its energy into uncessary UMD movie releases and not games.
That is what is annoying me.
I really dont care about its poor mans PDA functions such as web browsing or watching video. A 1 gig Memory stick for PSP video would cost me

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« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2005, 07:34:40 am »
Fair point. I'm picking up GTA this week, but otherwise I haven't bought many new games since release since there hasn't been much to pick from. I don't really buy UMD movies.

But I still view it as a solid gaming platform that can also do some other stuff well enough to satisfy the basic need. I'm happy with it and don't see many alternatives if that's what you're looking for (and obviously that's not what you are looking for).

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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2005, 07:43:16 am »
I just finished spending like 13 hours on planes and I played UMD games, watched videos (off the stick), played emulators, listened to MP3s, read some PSP formatted magazines, and could've watched a UMD movie too but didn't. Kept me busy for a long time.

Got any links to PSP-formatted magazines?

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« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2005, 08:01:21 am »
Some of you guys are funny.


OF COURSE there are more movies for PSP than games.


Sony isn't putting some sort of huge effort behind releasing movies instead of games. They are just releasing them when they come out, like any other movie media. Like it takes some sort of huge effort for them to place a movie on a UMD. ::)

My PS2 and Xbox play DVD's. Should I be pissed that there are THOUSANDS more DVD movies than there are games?


I can certainly understand dissapointment in the library of games. That is a personal opinion. It will vary from person to person, and nothing I do or say is going to change that, but a complaint about the number of movies over games is just goofy.



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« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2005, 09:41:30 am »
Apart from the obvious fact that the PSP is way too expensive/fragile/complicated to dominate the handheld market - I as a PSP owner believe it is doomed.
Why? Because primarily sony see it as a media device and a gaming device second, and you know what has killed the PSP - not the DS (although it sells more) but the ipod video...

lmfao one of our video rental places here, have MORE psp movies to rent than new release dvds, and almost none for sale..

Its laughable..

WEEE lets watch movies on a tiny screen..

and whats even funnier is that in the UK we will soon have a PSP giga pack, this comes with a 1gb memory stick, psp and... 'PSP Stand' so you can mount your psp upright and enjoy movies on the 'small screen' in your room!

i feel sorry for the guy who thought that up, and also for thinking it would sell... heheh
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« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2005, 10:04:05 am »
PSP is everywhere, sony has set up all these deal with retailers so the shelves are saturated with games, and the UMDs are there just to muscle out the DS and its games..

lol! how in the hell is the DS outselling it STILL?! I love that some people still buy things based on its games and not hype.

I agree, aside from the flat out amazing screen it does everything, meh, and nothing well.

but one of the biggest reasons why DS is only out selling the PSP, Especially IN Japan, they have like 3-5 Killer apts in japan running right now alone... Electroplanton, Jump Super Stars, Nintendogs,and a few others i cant remember... or pronounce... and await two other Hits in late november and december which adds a new FREE* service to the DS, Animal Crossing + Mario Kart... (which can be played online at home or hot spot)

As now for today PSP Will have gotten two if they will be dubbed killer apt... star wars Battlefront II (sequel to the best selling star wars game) and of course GTA (the sequel to a sequel best selling game to gangsters, SONY culture and waht not)

im very interested to see how it stacks up till next year, but if the holiday season doesnt sell more PSP's then DS's... then it isDoomed,
(Nintendo had its DS for last Holiday season)
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« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2005, 02:52:26 pm »


As for GTA, LOL I hate the series! I must be the only PSP owner who does though..

I don't care for GTA either... Love my PSP with ripped movies and will be getting the new SW Battlefront II for my PSP today ;D

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« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2005, 02:56:14 pm »
if one of you sad PSP owners wants to be rid of you PSP, i might be interested if the price is right

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« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2005, 08:35:24 am »
I just finished spending like 13 hours on planes and I played UMD games, watched videos (off the stick), played emulators, listened to MP3s, read some PSP formatted magazines, and could've watched a UMD movie too but didn't. Kept me busy for a long time.

Got any links to PSP-formatted magazines?

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« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2005, 08:38:31 am »
Some of you guys are funny.


OF COURSE there are more movies for PSP than games.


Sony isn't putting some sort of huge effort behind releasing movies instead of games. They are just releasing them when they come out, like any other movie media. Like it takes some sort of huge effort for them to place a movie on a UMD. ::)

My PS2 and Xbox play DVD's. Should I be pissed that there are THOUSANDS more DVD movies than there are games?


I can certainly understand dissapointment in the library of games. That is a personal opinion. It will vary from person to person, and nothing I do or say is going to change that, but a complaint about the number of movies over games is just goofy.





The DVD is not an exclusive format to Sony and MS, you can buy seperate DVD players and DVD Roms, it is universal.
UMDs on the other hand are exclusive for PSP, are produced by sony and sony alone and cannot be used on any other device.
I would say Sony have a DIRECT hand in choosing to market UMD movies over actual games.

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« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2005, 08:47:32 am »
Some of you guys are funny.


OF COURSE there are more movies for PSP than games.


Sony isn't putting some sort of huge effort behind releasing movies instead of games. They are just releasing them when they come out, like any other movie media. Like it takes some sort of huge effort for them to place a movie on a UMD. ::)

My PS2 and Xbox play DVD's. Should I be pissed that there are THOUSANDS more DVD movies than there are games?


I can certainly understand dissapointment in the library of games. That is a personal opinion. It will vary from person to person, and nothing I do or say is going to change that, but a complaint about the number of movies over games is just goofy.





The DVD is not an exclusive format to Sony and MS, you can buy seperate DVD players and DVD Roms, it is universal.
UMDs on the other hand are exclusive for PSP, are produced by sony and sony alone and cannot be used on any other device.
I would say Sony have a DIRECT hand in choosing to market UMD movies over actual games.

you are missing the point. 

Sony sells and produces DVDs anyway... quite a HUGE number of them.  They have the video files and the ability to drop them onto a UMD in what would be considered a millisecond in the business world.

Why WOULDN'T they make their movies on UMD?   And of course they are marketing them... that's their job.

I love how people ---smurfette--- and moan about there being more UMD movies... do you see how many movies come out?  Maybe sony should just stop putting out movies to make you feel better about your system.  Wouldn't want you to feel like your PSP is just a movie player... they should just pick 10 or 20 movies to release right?  No more than that... than it becomes a jack-of-all-trades again.  ::)
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« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2005, 10:15:49 am »
Some of you guys are funny.


OF COURSE there are more movies for PSP than games.


Sony isn't putting some sort of huge effort behind releasing movies instead of games. They are just releasing them when they come out, like any other movie media. Like it takes some sort of huge effort for them to place a movie on a UMD. ::)

My PS2 and Xbox play DVD's. Should I be pissed that there are THOUSANDS more DVD movies than there are games?


I can certainly understand dissapointment in the library of games. That is a personal opinion. It will vary from person to person, and nothing I do or say is going to change that, but a complaint about the number of movies over games is just goofy.





The DVD is not an exclusive format to Sony and MS, you can buy seperate DVD players and DVD Roms, it is universal.
UMDs on the other hand are exclusive for PSP, are produced by sony and sony alone and cannot be used on any other device.
I would say Sony have a DIRECT hand in choosing to market UMD movies over actual games.

you are missing the point.

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« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2005, 11:30:10 am »
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PSP is failing dysmally as a games machine.

you must be in the minority, becuase i got one and i dont feel dissapointed in the least, hell i can barely put the thing down.
i was only expecting a game system , i got much more.
its a NES,SNES,Neo-Geo CD,SegaMegadrive,Move Player,MP3-MP4 player,Image viewer,PDF reader,Internet browser,and it plays some pretty damn good looking PSP games.
whats to complain about, its got too much functionality?
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« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2005, 12:48:48 pm »
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PSP is failing dysmally as a games machine.

you must be in the minority, becuase i got one and i dont feel dissapointed in the least, hell i can barely put the thing down.
i was only expecting a game system , i got much more.
its a NES,SNES,Neo-Geo CD,SegaMegadrive,Move Player,MP3-MP4 player,Image viewer,PDF reader,Internet browser,and it plays some pretty damn good looking PSP games.
whats to complain about, its got too much functionality?
some people will never be happy


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« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2005, 12:58:47 pm »
Well it seems that you are a sony apologist, and in your eyes they can do no wrong. But me, I like to call a spade a spade, and the PSP is failing dysmally as a games machine.
Sony ARE wasting all energy chasing movie studios, begging them to release on the UMD format and are NOT putting that same energy into pursuing games developers and decent games titles.
Why is it that Nintendo DS are getting final fantasys III IV V VI as well as World of mana, when the PSP gets NO such RPG from square - what do they get? A LAME final fantasy movie on UMD.
Furthermore it bothers and irritates the hell out of me when I walk into a store like GAME and there are more UMD Movies on the shelves than actual PSP games.

Sony have said it themselves, the PSP is not a games machine, it is 'the walkman of the 21st century'.


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« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2005, 01:28:29 pm »
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PSP is failing dysmally as a games machine.

i was only expecting a game system , i got much more.
its a NES,SNES,Neo-Geo CD,SegaMegadrive,Move Player,MP3-MP4 player,Image viewer,PDF reader,Internet browser,and it plays some pretty damn good looking PSP games.
whats to complain about, its got too much functionality?
some people will never be happy

Two things

1) emulation is NOT a function built into the PSPby default. They have firmware to crack down on homebrew, so you cannot use the web browser AND play SNES games without reflashing, which is a pain if you are out and about as you need your charger to reflash

2) ever heard of an ipaq? I have been doing the PDF reading/web browsing/movie playing for years. I did not buy my PSP to do those things badly (poor mans PDA) but I bought it for games. After brillance such as Ridge Racers,Metal Gear Acid, one must ask.. just WHERE are the games?!!

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« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2005, 01:34:54 pm »
Well it seems that you are a sony apologist, and in your eyes they can do no wrong. But me, I like to call a spade a spade, and the PSP is failing dysmally as a games machine.
Sony ARE wasting all energy chasing movie studios, begging them to release on the UMD format and are NOT putting that same energy into pursuing games developers and decent games titles.
Why is it that Nintendo DS are getting final fantasys III IV V VI as well as World of mana, when the PSP gets NO such RPG from square - what do they get? A LAME final fantasy movie on UMD.
Furthermore it bothers and irritates the hell out of me when I walk into a store like GAME and there are more UMD Movies on the shelves than actual PSP games.

Sony have said it themselves, the PSP is not a games machine, it is 'the walkman of the 21st century'.


Huh?

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« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2005, 01:37:39 pm »
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PSP is failing dysmally as a games machine.

i was only expecting a game system , i got much more.
its a NES,SNES,Neo-Geo CD,SegaMegadrive,Move Player,MP3-MP4 player,Image viewer,PDF reader,Internet browser,and it plays some pretty damn good looking PSP games.
whats to complain about, its got too much functionality?
some people will never be happy

Two things

1) emulation is NOT a function built into the PSPby default. They have firmware to crack down on homebrew, so you cannot use the web browser AND play SNES games without reflashing, which is a pain if you are out and about as you need your charger to reflash

2) ever heard of an ipaq? I have been doing the PDF reading/web browsing/movie playing for years. I did not buy my PSP to do those things badly (poor mans PDA) but I bought it for games.

Emulation IS a function buildt into the PSP by deafult, the original version up to 1.51 was designed and intended by sony to promote a homebrew scene, what they didnt plan on was the ISO's being so easily loaded via mem card and had to about face.even so, there are web browsers for 1.0 thru 1.5, theres no need to upgrade the bios. hell you can use the wipeout browser for that matter,so its possible to have emulation and browsing. your point is mute

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2) ever heard of an ipaq? I have been doing the PDF reading/web browsing/movie playing for years. I did not buy my PSP to do those things badly (poor mans PDA) but I bought it for games. After brillance such as Ridge Racers,Metal Gear Acid, one must ask.. just WHERE are the games?!!

sure as hell not on your Ipaq !

do you people even have a point?
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« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2005, 02:09:01 pm »
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PSP is failing dysmally as a games machine.

i was only expecting a game system , i got much more.
its a NES,SNES,Neo-Geo CD,SegaMegadrive,Move Player,MP3-MP4 player,Image viewer,PDF reader,Internet browser,and it plays some pretty damn good looking PSP games.
whats to complain about, its got too much functionality?
some people will never be happy

Two things

1) emulation is NOT a function built into the PSPby default. They have firmware to crack down on homebrew, so you cannot use the web browser AND play SNES games without reflashing, which is a pain if you are out and about as you need your charger to reflash

2) ever heard of an ipaq? I have been doing the PDF reading/web browsing/movie playing for years. I did not buy my PSP to do those things badly (poor mans PDA) but I bought it for games.

Emulation IS a function buildt into the PSP by deafult, the original version up to 1.51 was designed and intended by sony to promote a homebrew scene, what they didnt plan on was the ISO's being so easily loaded via mem card and had to about face.even so, there are web browsers for 1.0 thru 1.5, theres no need to upgrade the bios. hell you can use the wipeout browser for that matter,so its possible to have emulation and browsing. your point is mute

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2) ever heard of an ipaq? I have been doing the PDF reading/web browsing/movie playing for years. I did not buy my PSP to do those things badly (poor mans PDA) but I bought it for games. After brillance such as Ridge Racers,Metal Gear Acid, one must ask.. just WHERE are the games?!!

sure as hell not on your Ipaq !

do you people even have a point?



First of all, YOUR point is moot if you think that wipeout 'thing' is worthy enough to be called a decent web browser LOL!

As for Sony 'designing' the PSP for emulation - i'd like some more info on that / link please?...


No the games are not on my ipaq, but then again my ipaq is a PDA, it is SUPPOSED to web browser, manage my schedule, read PDFs etc and it does those things a hell of a lot BETTER than a PSP.
I bought my PSP for games and games alone because Sony said it would be a handheld PLAYstation GAMES console.
If I wanted another PDA I would have gone with a more later Ipaq model.

Do us people have a point? Id say so considering I OWN a dedicated MP3 player, PSP, PDA and Home cinema system and can assess which is more advantageous than the other in terms of specific functions. Where you are simply carrying on like a 'sony can do no wrong' fanboy...

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« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2005, 02:11:14 pm »
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« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2005, 03:07:06 pm »
This thread is retarded.

Darthbane, go sell your PSP and carry around your 7 seperate portable devices so that they do things "well"  I'd rather carry around a PSP to play games, and maybe use the added features once in a while instead of lugging around an Ipod, Ipaq, DS, Portable DVD player, et al.

Funny you mention a 51" movie screen... I suppose you can carry that with you on a plane?  OF course you're not supposed to watch UMD movies in your house... ITS A PORTABLE SYSTEM.  It's retarded to compare a PSP to a home theater... even if they have a stand for movies coming out... which would sit really well on a tray in a plane... or on a desk at school....

And for the record, you have zero business sense.  Sony doesn't have to put a lot of effort into getting people to distribute UMD movies.  Movie studios realize there is a market for it (although I still don't think UMD movies are worth the money).  The marginal cost of putting your DVDs onto the UMD format is almost negligible in the grand scheme of things.  A few hours of video editing and probably $3 in materials or some absurdly low cost...

Do you have any idea what the cycle time is on a game?  Now compare that to Paramount dropping some 5 year old movie to a UMD disc that uses a standardized video format.... wow.... I AM SO SURPRISED THEY HAVE MORE MOVIES OUT!!1one!

You can't pop out a PSP game every week like you can with a backlog of THOUSANDS of movies.  If you don't like UMD movies... dont buy them!!!  It wouldn't change the number of games out.  There are a lot of PSP games in the works, but they are a little more time intensive than putting video on a disc.   

And you seem to think Metal Gear Acid is the only game on PSP.  IF that's the only game you are interested, that's one thing.  But there are plenty of really good games out on teh PSP, without even mentioning the emulation scene (which by the way you can't just shrug off since it's not "supposed" to be on the PSP.. .it is... and it's great.)  Burnout, Lumines, Wipeout, Hot Shots Golf, Virtual Tennis, MGS Acid, Mercury, GTA, Twisted Metal... and that's just what I can think of off the top of my head.  Those are all GREAT games.  Plus, the PSP hasn't even been on the market for a year yet...

As for being a Sony apologist.. no I'm not.  I also am not a Sony fanboy.  I think the PSP is overpriced and they made an error in thinking that they'd compete fully with Nintendo at that price point.  THAT is why the DS sells more.  Many can't afford a PSP, or don't think it's worth it for the price, or Billy's parents get a DS so that they can save $100.  That's not to say that the PSP would destroy the DS at the same price point though. Nintendo has quite a hold on the handeld market, but it certainly would be closer if they PSP was at the same price.

Its just amazing the lengths people will go to ---smurfette--- and moan about this type of stuff.  Sell your PSP and go make love with a DS if you love RPG's so much.  Go get a Sony Libre if you know you will be reading 40 hours of e-books each week.  Use your Ipaq for WiFi if you need to be online on the go 5 hours a day.

But just because the PSP isn't the best at EVERYTHING, doesn't mean its not a good system.  And just because YOU dont like the games that are out, doesn't mean there aren't any games for the system.
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« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2005, 03:25:39 pm »
Yes Sony COLUMBIA and TRISTAR are a massive movie studio, but Sony COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT are supposed to be about entertauinment.. so where are the games? Plus as I mentioned before (but you chose to ignore) apart from the Sony catalogue of movies, explain why sony have spend much of their time, energy and budget trying to entice other movie studios to develop umd movies for PSP rather than attracting GAME developers.

What in the world are you talking about?

There are plenty of games out now and coming out for the PSP. Whether you actually like them or not is of course personal preference. It is not like they are going for one over the other.

Movies are easier to get on PSP. Whether it be from their own studios or another, because the movies are not being produced for that one format alone. A movie is made for a theatrical run. It is then easily put to other medias without much worry of extra cost in doing so. I personally have hundreds of DVD's, and it only takes me, on my outdated PC, a few hours to transfer one of those to a totally different media.

A game on the other hand has to be developed specifically for a platform. Sure they can then port to other platforms, but that is far more costly and time consuming than just putting it on a different type of media.




Say what you want about the DS (My brother has one) but the likes of Final FantasyIII (in 3D!) , FFIV FFV and FFVI (best FF ever) as well as world of mana excite the hell outta me! I love RPGs yet there are none worth buying for PSP.
E3 came and went and NO DECENT PSP games were announced (bar Metal Gear Acid 2), For DS there were tons.. is THIS how Sony expect to compete with Nintendo, by selling the likes of Ghostbusters the movie for

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« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2005, 06:02:23 pm »
This thread is getting interesting.

I'll add another perspective...

UMD looks to me to be similar to SONY minidisk and the memory-stick -- an attempt to get an exclusive format out there. I don't think it will work any better than their other attempts which were marginally successful. I think that the heavy release volume for movies is an attempt to legitimize the UMD format.

Personally I don't care because I still view it as a killer gaming platform that has the extra benefit of being a portable movie player. It's gravy to me.

Got any links to PSP-formatted magazines?

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« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2005, 11:30:29 pm »
wow, those PSP mags could come in real handy at work when I can't get a great net connection.

I'll have to steal the roommate's PSP before I go to work next :)
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« Reply #80 on: November 03, 2005, 02:07:14 am »
There are lots of places to find them. Here's a site that specializes in PSP magazine downloads.

Here's a whole graphic novel formatted for the PSP. This came out right after the PSP did (in the US) and seemed to spawn a bunch of PSP-based magazine and book efforts.

I load up on this type of stuff when I travel because I tire of gaming and music when on long trips but still tend to want to dork with my PSP.

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« Reply #81 on: November 03, 2005, 12:33:29 pm »

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« Reply #82 on: November 03, 2005, 01:41:34 pm »
There are plenty of games out now and coming out for the PSP. Whether you actually like them or not is of course personal preference. It is not like they are going for one over the other.

Movies are easier to get on PSP. Whether it be from their own studios or another, because the movies are not being produced for that one format alone. A movie is made for a theatrical run. It is then easily put to other medias without much worry of extra cost in doing so.

First of all there are NOT plenty of PSP games due for release over the next year. the E3 lineup was quite frankly worrying. All we seem to be getting are PS2 ports - Sony are clearly not taking advantage of the format and I dont see why I should be attacked by the likes of you for picking out flaws in the strategy of the almighty sony.

By your definition of 'plenty' im pretty sure you are referring to GTA - as I said before, its not the be all and end all of gaming, so whats left for me?...

As yes UMD movies may be easier to produce, but explain then why the majority of Sonys budget for the PSP has gone into methods to entice studios to release on UMD rather than to games developers to develop games.
The ratio of movies to games is quite frankly embarassing, it should be controlled as the PSP is not being regonised by Joe Public as a games machine but as "that machine that can play DVDs". And yes Im aware the PSP cant play DVDs, but this is the phrase being thrown at the general public.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #83 on: November 03, 2005, 01:43:50 pm »
I also am not a Sony fanboy.


Sell your PSP and go make love with a DS if you love RPG's so much.

I rest my case...

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« Reply #84 on: November 03, 2005, 01:45:41 pm »
wow, those PSP mags could come in real handy at work when I can't get a great net connection.

I'll have to steal the roommate's PSP before I go to work next :)

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« Reply #85 on: November 03, 2005, 01:56:35 pm »
It's amazing the idiotic ramblings and hatred this thread has spawned.

Its all subjective based on individual perspective.

Like or Hate it... No need to keep rambling on.... nobody is going to be convinced it is a great system or a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- one.

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« Reply #86 on: November 03, 2005, 02:03:08 pm »

as I could actually care less.



It's "couldn't care less".  This is important because "could" and "could not" are exact opposites.  So when you say it wrong, in this particular way, you are saying exactly the opposite of what you mean.  It's also important because SOOO MANY PEOPLE say this wrong.

Think about it.  What you mean is, "I don't care.  I don't give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---."  Now imagine two perspecitives on a controversial issue.  Take the spotted owl, from the viewpoint of an environmentalist and an industrialist.  The environmentalist cares deeply for the endangered animal, while the industrialist wishes it would go away so he can build his damned factory on the land he purchased.  He doesn't give a rat's ass whether it lives or dies. 

Which one of these people could care less about spotted owl?  Since there is nothing less than "not at all", the person who doesn't care at all truly couldn't care less.  In other words his level of caring is so low that it would be impossible for it to be any lower. 

When you say, "I could care less," you are literally saying, "I currently care about this," which is exactly the opposite of what you mean to say which is, "I don't care."
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« Reply #87 on: November 03, 2005, 02:20:20 pm »
First of all there are NOT plenty of PSP games due for release over the next year. the E3 lineup was quite frankly worrying. All we seem to be getting are PS2 ports - Sony are clearly not taking advantage of the format and I dont see why I should be attacked by the likes of you for picking out flaws in the strategy of the almighty sony.

By your definition of 'plenty' im pretty sure you are referring to GTA - as I said before, its not the be all and end all of gaming, so whats left for me?...

By being "pretty sure" you are assuming, and doing so incorrectly. There ARE in fact plenty of games on PSP. I never once said that there were plenty of great games. I never said there were plenty of good games. I never said there were plenty of games that YOU would like. I said that there were plenty. <==PERIOD

If you go back and READ my posts, you will in fact see that I couldn't care less what your preference in games is. If you don't like the games, then whoop-di-friggin-doo. It has N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do with anything I have said.


As yes UMD movies may be easier to produce, but explain then why the majority of Sonys budget for the PSP has gone into methods to entice studios to release on UMD rather than to games developers to develop games.
The ratio of movies to games is quite frankly embarassing, it should be controlled as the PSP is not being regonised by Joe Public as a games machine but as "that machine that can play DVDs". And yes Im aware the PSP cant play DVDs, but this is the phrase being thrown at the general public.


Got any links to this info you seem privy to? I have not seen anywhere that they are spending a majority of their budget enticing movie studios to support UMD.

I also have not seen this Joe Public opinion that it is a machine that can play DVD's rather than a game machine.




I will try and type this slowly for you...

I am currently typing at one letter per second. Please try and read along accordingly. Maybe it will soak in this time.

The number of movies for the PSP is ALWAYS going to be greater than the number of games (That is the very basic point of ALL of my replies to you). By the very nature of the fact that they are EASIER & CHEAPER to get on the system.




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« Reply #88 on: November 03, 2005, 02:24:10 pm »

If you go back and READ my posts, you will in fact see that I couldn't care less what your preference in games is.



Actually, I'm pretty sure you mean "couldn't care less".
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #89 on: November 03, 2005, 02:27:36 pm »

If you go back and READ my posts, you will in fact see that I couldn't care less what your preference in games is.



Actually, I'm pretty sure you mean "couldn't care less".



Trouble reading?


Yes, I did enter it as "could care less" in my first post you pointed out, and I guess this is a pet peeve for you, but...

It is accurate, because if I couldn't care less, then I'd have to figure it would have gone without a response from me in the first place, as I wouldn't have cared enough to do so. :P

I did word it your way in my latest post that you INCORRECTLY corrected though. Just for your benefit. :P


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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #90 on: November 03, 2005, 02:32:45 pm »
wha...????  I need more sleep.

Actually, I don't believe you changed the wording.  But how did you modify your post without it saying "last edit".  And more importantly, how did you go in and edit my post where I quoted you so it would show me quoting you saying "couldn't"?    ;)
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #91 on: November 03, 2005, 02:42:12 pm »
wha...???? I need more sleep.

Actually, I don't believe you changed the wording. But how did you modify your post without it saying "last edit". And more importantly, how did you go in and edit my post where I quoted you so it would show me quoting you saying "couldn't"? ;)


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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #92 on: November 03, 2005, 06:10:22 pm »
I also am not a Sony fanboy.


Sell your PSP and go make love with a DS if you love RPG's so much.

I rest my case...

Actually... that was more a dig on your Nintendo fanboyism than it was my Sony fanboyism.  As I said, I don't have either system, and don't have sony OR nintendo in my pocket.
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #93 on: November 03, 2005, 08:10:45 pm »
Its amazing how many people who havent heard of Avantgo! LOL

I hadn't heard of it. It doesn't look like it's available for the PSP.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #94 on: November 03, 2005, 09:00:00 pm »
If you go back and READ my posts, you will in fact see that I couldn't care less what your preference in games is.
Actually, I'm pretty sure you mean "couldn't care less".

You guys are probably the kind of people that say foilage instead of foliage too.

And "for all intense and purposes"

And "statue of limitations"

And "idear", instead of "idea" (Thanks paul sr.)

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Oh, I love my PSP.  I play games sitting on my couch instead of having to go ALL the way upstairs to play on my rec room TV.

And I used the radio today.  Played shoutcast.   It was fun.

I doubt I'll ever buy a movie for it.  Might download a few  :-X

I travel everywhere with my notebook.  If I'm going to watch a movie, it would be on my notebook pc.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #95 on: November 03, 2005, 11:01:05 pm »
I doubt I'll ever buy a movie for it.

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #96 on: November 04, 2005, 09:27:11 am »
I highly recommend PSP Video 9 for putting movies on the PSP.  It's simple, fairly quick, and so far every video I've thrown at it encoded to PSP format in less than an hour with no problems.  I can't imagine buying a UMD when I have a large library of DVDs I can convert, not to mention the TV shows I don't have time to watch at home.

If you've always got the notebook you might as well leave the PSP at home.  When I travel I like to pack extremely light so anything larger than a paperback book is more than I'm willing to take for entertainment.

I didn't know about PSP Video 9.  Will check it out.

I don't do PC Gaming.  And I've almost never watched a DVD on a plane.  So I bring the PSP too.

My Treo plays MP3's, so I guess I have 3 players with me  ::)

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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #97 on: November 08, 2005, 07:56:35 pm »
I got a PSP a few days ago (for $100 buck w00t!) and all I have to say is Ad Hoc Virtua Tennis is video game crack.  You think you can stop whenever you want, but you can't. :)

My roommate and I are probably in trouble GPA-wise because of this game, and frankly, it was worth the $100 already in my book.
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Re: RIP PSP?
« Reply #98 on: November 08, 2005, 10:19:30 pm »
I got a PSP a few days ago (for $100 buck w00t!) and all I have to say is Ad Hoc Virtua Tennis is video game crack.  You think you can stop whenever you want, but you can't. :)

My roommate and I are probably in trouble GPA-wise because of this game, and frankly, it was worth the $100 already in my book.

There are actually a few games on the PSP that are like that for me. You think you can put it down, but end up sneaking off in the middel of work to the can for an hr to play a game. Then your ass feels like the guy stuck on the can at Home Depot.  ;D

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