ULTRACADE Discontinued as of 9/01/05

[RayB]

POOT!

[Stingray]

POOT!

Pretty well sums up this entire thread.

-S

[Crazy Cooter]

And no.

[Harry Potter]

As much as I hate to criticise the entertainment this thread has provided, enough is enough.

Foley ain't gonna admit to anything, so CT waving around that trademark application will now achieve zero. Yes he did wrong by the community and yes he is shady, but in the end, he didn't get MAME and that should be all that matters.

I think the time to lay off it may be.................. now

[ChadTower]

CT, please highlight the area that is "legally grey at best":

The first thing I'll point out as grey at best is your constant use of that image.

[Harry Potter]

Oh crap. I wrote the wrong intials. I meant CC. Sorry bout that bro. 

I need a drink.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

What I do not understand, however, is why noninvolved parties without any vested interest in the situation would be running around screaming about it. 

Maybe because they can love something other than themselves. 

Anyhow, didn't CC lose business when DF was shutting down eBay auctions and extorting people? How does that make him a 'noninvloved' party?

Furthermore, why do you feel the need to crap on CC's passion anyhow?....talk about non-involved parties, even though I'm not suprised you'd jump to defend a guy like Foley in the very community he tried to destroy, and admitted he couldn't care less about (I wish I could find his lovely quote).



mrC

[Harry Potter]

We're not defending Foley. Just that this poop is getting old.

[ChadTower]

Anyhow, didn't CC lose business when DF was shutting down eBay auctions and extorting people? How does that make him a 'noninvloved' party?

I haven't seen any statements that he has.

[Tiger-Heli]

Anyhow, didn't CC lose business when DF was shutting down eBay auctions and extorting people?

Not that I know of, although I think you can be "involved" in something without having a financial stake it it.

. . .defend a guy like Foley in the very community he tried to destroy, and admitted he couldn't care less about (I wish I could find his lovely quote).

See Stingray's tagline, about 6 replies upward.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Yes he did wrong by the community and yes he is shady, but in the end, he didn't get MAME and that should be all that matters.

All that matters, that is, until he can find some other way to exploit the hard work of others. We need people like Cooter to keep an eye on the wolves...and I appreciate his involvement.




mrC

[Tiger-Heli]

We need people like Cooter to keep an eye on the wolves...and I appreciate his involvement.

I do also.

[Harry Potter]

I seriously doubt he'll be exploiting anything, what with so many people keeping an eye on him.
My post was regarding this thread and how repetitive it's getting.

[Stingray]

"There is no denying what took place, and I am never going to convince people what my motives or methods were, and quite frankly I don't care if I do." --David R. Foley

-S

[ChadTower]

See, now the FEMA guy should say THAT.

[Harry Potter]

Good. Now can we get back to posting pics of bacon and cheesecakes? 

[mr.Curmudgeon]

TH,

Anyhow, didn't CC lose business when DF was shutting down eBay auctions and extorting people?

Not that I know of, although I think you can be "involved" in something without having a financial stake it it.

I might be confusing him with someone else here, but I agree with your second point anyhow.


CT,

Someone had to take the less popular position here. 

NO. Someone didn't! But, you have every right to do it, but it certainly doesn't come without risk. When you play Devil's Advocate on the BYOAC for a man that pulled a stunt like Foley did...then you are literally advocating for the Devil.

Either way, one thing you have no right to do is criticize Cooter's involvement, since you yourself have questionable interest in MAME cabs, and some apparent disdain for MAME itself, which is essentially the cornerstone on which this community is built.

Like I said above, this current topic has mostly run dry...but we'd be fools (those of us how love this community and love everything about MAME) to sit back and act like it's over. Foley essentially broke into our houses, was caught carrying our collective entertainment center out the door, then when caught tried to claim he's just "letting us know our door was unlocked."

CC and others (and I believe that involves you) can help us make sure that door is bolted shut so the next nefarious character can't sneak his way in. That is as long as you stop questioning people's interest, and stick to the details (as you are capable of doing). But don't expect any sympathy from the majority of people in this camp when it comes to Ultracade or any of it's iterations.



mrC

[ChadTower]

So, I can't question his interest... how would I be expected to understand his interest if I never question it?  I do not believe I said that he had no right to his interest.  I said I do not understand it, and more accurately meant that I do not understand the vehemence behind it.

Those that feel Foley tried to carry our collective entertainment center out the door simply aren't paying attention to the questionable nature of the product to begin with.  I would have an easier time believing that he was trying to steal if he had put out explicitly MAME based products while he was shutting down MAME based merchants.  He didn't do that, and until someone reverse engineers an Ultracade to reveal a MAME engine, I don't see facts in evidence that support many of the claims being made.

[Tiger-Heli]

I might be confusing him with someone else here, but I agree with your second point anyhow.

Probably confusing him with EMDKAY, the marquee printing guy that about the same time that Foley claimed he was trying to trademark MAME to keep people from unfairly profiting on it, got the letters from Foley saying that Foley owned the MAME trademark but they could come to a royalty agreeement, although Foley now claims those letters are out-of-context, although EMDKAY says he only left out some of his cost basis and Foley never stated what he thought was missing . . .

[mr.Curmudgeon]

"There is no denying what took place, and I am never going to convince people what my motives or methods were, and quite frankly I don't care if I do." --David R. Foley

-S

Nice sentiment. Sounds like someone else that posts here....  ahem.

Good. Now can we get back to posting pics of bacon and cheesecakes?

Yeah. I've pretty much said my piece...for now. Here's some Bacon a little Cheesecake.




mrC

[ChadTower]

Foley's statement applies to anyone. 

My statement applies to an individual.

Sticking with the facts:  Mr C just posted a picture of Richard Simmons and called it Cheesecake.

[Harry Potter]

Sticking with the facts:  Mr C just posted a picture of Richard Simmons and called it Cheesecake.

WOAH. I didn't even look at who posted it. I just assumed it was Tommy. 

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Sticking with the facts:  Mr C just posted a picture of Richard Simmons and called it Cheesecake.

Oh, I meant to put cheeseball...Anyhow...What? You don't find him sexy?

ee, now the FEMA guy should say THAT.

He actually did you one better Chad. Today, in front of the Republican run committee, he said,

"I know what I'm doing, and I think I do a pretty darn good job of it..."

[ChadTower]

He actually did you one better Chad. Today, in front of the Republican run committee, he said,

"I know what I'm doing, and I think I do a pretty darn good job of it..."

He does know what he's doing.  He's standing there, reinstalled, taunting the media. 

He's a dumbass.

[Stingray]

Sticking with the facts:  Mr C just posted a picture of Richard Simmons and called it Cheesecake.

Oh, I meant to put cheeseball...Anyhow...What? You don't find him sexy?

He's gotta be sexier than Foley.

-S

[Harry Potter]

Most likely
(I should probably do something more useful now)

[RayB]

Mob rules CT. Mob rules.

[Crazy Cooter]

It is the fine print of the application, taken out of context, and is more suited to the accuracy of the information within the application itself than it is to the mark for which the application is filed.

[Stingray]

CC, I made the same point a few minutes ago in the other thread, although you said it better. In any case signing a document that claims something to be true when you know it is not is a crime isn't it?

-S

[Tiger-Heli]

CC, I made the same point a few minutes ago in the other thread, although you said it better. In any case signing a document that claims something to be true when you know it is not is a crime isn't it?

-S

Actually, chad hit this right in the other thread - depends on the document.

I think signing a trademark application for a mark you are not entitled to is a crime.

My signing a paper saying that the sky is green when I know it's blue is not a crime.  Generally, lying is not illegal unless there's malicious intent or an intent to defraud, otherwise we couldn't have politicians .  . .

[ChadTower]

How is the application itself "taken out of context" when that's exactly what we're discussing?

You did not show an image of the application.

[Crazy Cooter]

prove he didn't believe it

Challenge accepted.

Answer forthcoming in this thread:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=43644.0

[ChadTower]

I probably should have been more specific.  What I meant to say was, "it cannot be proven in a court of law", which is what is relevant here.

Here, dude has already been tried, convited, executed, raped, and pissed on.  Proving it here doesn't have much bearing on the legality of what happened.

[Stingray]

Generally, lying is not illegal unless there's malicious intent or an intent to defraud, ...

Wouldn't this be intent to defraud?

-S

[ChadTower]

Intent is often very, very hard to prove in court.

The whole intent to defraud thing only matters, anyway, if the MAME devs were to sue him were he actually awarded the trademark.  Never would have happened anyway.

[Tiger-Heli]

EDIT:  slight correction, the artist who created that MAME mark would also have a claim.

As would EmdKay and many of the legitimate E-bay sellers.

[ChadTower]

As would EmdKay and many of the legitimate E-bay sellers.

EMDKay was selling images with Mr Do on them, according to the info here.  Mr Do is owned by Foley, and therefore EMDKay was not legally entitled to much more than a C+D letter.

[Crazy Cooter]

EMDKay was selling images with Mr Do on them, according to the info here.

[ChadTower]

It was in either this thread or the other Ultracade thread from this week... I don't have time to sift through it all, given that they are both like a hundred pages.

[Crazy Cooter]

Use the search function.